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heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 19:44 GMT
#741
On October 16 2011 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On October 16 2011 04:24 heist wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:16 chaoser wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:05 heist wrote:
and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me.

And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable.



??? So why would you vote him into a office that basically prevents him from getting killed on night cycles if he needs to be killed off immediately and he's unreadable? How would you read someone to decide if he's mafia or not if he's unreadable?


I'm making the point of the opposite. I don't want him killed off early purely for how good he is as mafia member.



What the fuuuck

This makes no sense whatsoever to me


Should we kill off Radfield just because he's really good as scum no matter how town he acts? No.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 19:44 GMT
#742
On October 16 2011 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 04:24 heist wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:16 chaoser wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:05 heist wrote:
and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me.

And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable.



??? So why would you vote him into a office that basically prevents him from getting killed on night cycles if he needs to be killed off immediately and he's unreadable? How would you read someone to decide if he's mafia or not if he's unreadable?


I'm making the point of the opposite. I don't want him killed off early purely for how good he is as mafia member.



What the fuuuck

This makes no sense whatsoever to me


Actually I just realized that this sentence is ambiguous.

Heist, do you mean that you don't want us to disregard Radfield because he has the potential to be good scum?

From the way you posted that, it could be interpreted that you don't want Radfield to die, because he could make a very good scum player (which obviously makes no sense)
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 19:45 GMT
#743
On October 16 2011 04:44 heist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:24 heist wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:16 chaoser wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:05 heist wrote:
and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me.

And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable.



??? So why would you vote him into a office that basically prevents him from getting killed on night cycles if he needs to be killed off immediately and he's unreadable? How would you read someone to decide if he's mafia or not if he's unreadable?


I'm making the point of the opposite. I don't want him killed off early purely for how good he is as mafia member.



What the fuuuck

This makes no sense whatsoever to me


Should we kill off Radfield just because he's really good as scum no matter how town he acts? No.


Who is suggesting we kill him, though?

All I'm saying is that electing him as Mayor is really high risk. That's a risk I just don't feel comfortable taking.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 19:48 GMT
#744
chaoser somehow took my statement as me wanting to kill radfield
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 15 2011 19:49 GMT
#745
On October 16 2011 04:41 chaoser wrote:
Aside from sandroba I'd like to make a case against Prphlz:

The first post of his that stood out to me was:

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also after rednkted's last post i just realized that with town going for prot roles, people will be free to derp it up all they want


What??? But from playing with him in LOTR I understand that he has word vomit so I understand if he's just being stupid but...

not only does he ask for a coach before the game started:

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On October 12 2011 04:07 prplhz wrote:
@GMarshal

you up for some light coaching too? i just noticed that there are no coaches attached to this game at all


but he also jsut agrees with everyone and says nothing original:


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On October 14 2011 06:43 prplhz wrote:
i like the idea of narrowing down the candidates and then threatening them with having them dt checked.

mafia are surely going to try to get one of theirs elected if they can and while pardoner is stronger than mayor, mayor is still storng. if we narrow down the range of people who are candidates mafia can't just suddenly vote in a pardoner in the last second by switching a single vote or something like that.

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On October 13 2011 06:46 prplhz wrote:
i like this these are the most beneficial roles for town and if we can't have them then a red lynch would be nice in compensation having top5 pick leaves too much room for shenanigans also i don't hope that there will be a ton of people with a suppressed batman inside who will get into top3/5 and then pick another role because they "always wanted to be like qatol" or something like that

also i'm picking [1][1] so no one else pick that please, i'll invent you many good inventions promiss


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On October 14 2011 22:20 prplhz wrote:
you know while the mayor needs to be someone town, the pardoner is going to be held very accountable. we should lynch the pardoner the second he doesn't do exactly what we tell him to so i think pardoner needs to be expendable.


When it was said wayyy earlier

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On October 12 2011 19:42 Radfield wrote:
On October 12 2011 11:54 chaoser wrote:
Woot woot, let's get this started!

An important note to everyone, the Pardoner is basically a Prince of Darkness x2 and while there's a lot of KP in this game, there's also a lot of defensive roles in this game as well. A mafia team with medics+Pardoner with Hero as his ability would be horrible for town. As such, they'll probably fake an aim for mayor and actually want pardoner instead. I learned my lesson in XXXIX with GM -_-. We need to get rid of the pardoner outright as early as possible.


Pardoner is a threat, but if they ever use their power inappropriately they get lynched. Scary in the endgame, and needs to be eliminated before we get down to 6-8 players, but for now it is an excellent insurance policy against the Vote Rigger and Showtime!.


All of these have been said by many many other people.

Finally, prphlz was townie in LOTR which was last game. If you read over his posts you'll notice that he tunnels everyone he feels like mafia, being very active about expressing his opinions on who he thinks is mafia.

In this game?

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On October 15 2011 09:14 prplhz wrote:
can we do some scum hunting? this is all getting lost in electing people and that's very important, but usually we'd use 48 hours to talk about who is scum and who isn't. right now there's not enough of that from the candidates for election.


Never does any scum hunting.


Even though chaoser is still a highly suspicious player at this moment, his points here are actually something I agree on. I have been talking with a number of people about prplhz's behavior this game, but was holding off on any analysis until he spoke up a bit more or gave any sort of opinion.

So prplhz, what are your thoughts on the game thus far? a lot has come up since the last time you gave your opinion.
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 15 2011 19:49 GMT
#746
On October 16 2011 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 04:24 heist wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:16 chaoser wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:05 heist wrote:
and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me.

And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable.



??? So why would you vote him into a office that basically prevents him from getting killed on night cycles if he needs to be killed off immediately and he's unreadable? How would you read someone to decide if he's mafia or not if he's unreadable?


I'm making the point of the opposite. I don't want him killed off early purely for how good he is as mafia member.



What the fuuuck

This makes no sense whatsoever to me


That's because you took it out of context, he was talking about candidates using it as a reason, myself included. That said, I think he's right, Radfield seems like a good person to vote for. A large part of why I was voting Wiggles instead of Radfield is Radfield's excellent scum play.
That said, I will be voting Radfield.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
October 15 2011 19:50 GMT
#747
lol, Im always suspicious day 1 when Im town. I think I am the opposite of Mig in that regard, because I am great at being scum, but Im terrible at playing townie

Scum hiro would have never said the things that I have said so far this game. PM me if anyone wants to chat.

"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 15 2011 19:52 GMT
#748
On October 16 2011 04:50 hiro protagonist wrote:
lol, Im always suspicious day 1 when Im town. I think I am the opposite of Mig in that regard, because I am great at being scum, but Im terrible at playing townie

Scum hiro would have never said the things that I have said so far this game. PM me if anyone wants to chat.



did you really just say "don't worry guys, im better at scum, and I'm playing terribly this game, therefor I'm town"

That is the weirdest logic stream i have ever heard.
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
October 15 2011 19:53 GMT
#749
On October 16 2011 04:52 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 04:50 hiro protagonist wrote:
lol, Im always suspicious day 1 when Im town. I think I am the opposite of Mig in that regard, because I am great at being scum, but Im terrible at playing townie

Scum hiro would have never said the things that I have said so far this game. PM me if anyone wants to chat.



did you really just say "don't worry guys, im better at scum, and I'm playing terribly this game, therefor I'm town"

That is the weirdest logic stream i have ever heard.


more or less thats what I said. take it how you want.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
October 15 2011 19:55 GMT
#750
actual, I dont feel Im playing bad this game at all, just that Im always suspicious day 1 when I am town.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
October 15 2011 19:56 GMT
#751
On October 16 2011 04:49 GreYMisT wrote:
Even though chaoser is still a highly suspicious player at this moment, his points here are actually something I agree on. I have been talking with a number of people about prplhz's behavior this game, but was holding off on any analysis until he spoke up a bit more or gave any sort of opinion.

So prplhz, what are your thoughts on the game thus far? a lot has come up since the last time you gave your opinion.


When I have time I have good posts, who knew?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
October 15 2011 20:01 GMT
#752
On October 16 2011 04:48 heist wrote:
chaoser somehow took my statement as me wanting to kill radfield


if he's better at hiding his mafia alignment why would you vote for him even if he is active??? How do the two cancel each other out???



How does that imply that I want radfield killed off?

You said, Radfield is really good at hiding his mafia alignment. But he is active and he can scum hunt. So you want to vote for him.

But the two things don't cancel each other out. Being active and being good at scum hunting doesn't balance out the fact that he is good at hiding that he's mafia. In fact, in this set up it's even worse since those two things help him hide that he is mafia.

The only real reason you would want to vote for someone is because you think they are town.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:04 GMT
#753
no you imply that I want radfield to be killed off
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:06 GMT
#754
I would agree with not electing Radfield if I thought with a much greater certainty Mig or Greymist was town.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
October 15 2011 20:07 GMT
#755
On October 16 2011 05:04 heist wrote:
no you imply that I want radfield to be killed off


Where do I imply that you want radfield to be killed off?

You first imply that I imply that radfield should be killed off when I said no such thing. I merely said that the two points you try to put forward as reasons why you are voting for radfield are extremely flawed, don't hold up to examination, and says nothing about why you actually want to vote for radfield.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
October 15 2011 20:09 GMT
#756
On October 16 2011 05:06 heist wrote:
I would agree with not electing Radfield if I thought with a much greater certainty Mig or Greymist was town.


You didn't say this though. You didn't say, i think radfield is more likely town than mig or greymist. you tried to say that you want to vote him cause he is a good scum hunter and that he is active. An you try to excuse his "being good at hiding his mafia alignment" with a non-reason.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:09 GMT
#757
I never implied that you wanted Radfield killed off. This is getting stupid.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
October 15 2011 20:10 GMT
#758
Do you understand what you did and didn't say?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:10 GMT
#759
Do you?
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
October 15 2011 20:12 GMT
#760
On October 16 2011 04:05 heist wrote:
and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me.

And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable.



What are you saying in this statement?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
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