TL Mafia XLV - Page 5

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 04 2011 18:39 GMT

#1057

On October 05 2011 03:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:

Eh, I disagree. I was looking through his posts and got more of a townie vibe from him.

Also, I'm surprised no one protected Mig last night. And sorry for Curu modkill =/

I know I didn't post yesterday, was a long day for me. But I was reading, just wasn't able to post.

Who would you like to go for today? You must have at least one read, correct ?

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 04 2011 19:05 GMT

#1060

On October 05 2011 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:

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In this post, the people he tags as scum have flipped town. Only person yet to flip is WBG, but WBG's play this game looks like his town play, so I'm very inclined to believe WBG is town as well.

##vote risk.nuke

Thanks for your read

Is your whole argument that he was wrong with everything he said? And from your point of view he would be the most certain to flip scum today, yes? Do you have anything on Dropbear, Sevryn and Forumite?

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 04 2011 19:11 GMT

#1061

On October 04 2011 21:43 supersoft wrote:
lol. now everyone is dead.
i need some new friends now. dear redteam, i wanna join you. i am incognitos mysterious nightvigilante. for further information click the PM button on top and leave me some comments in my inbox.

Hey supersoft, I know how much curu and mig meant to you, but could you try to be more active in the thread from now on? You said yourself that your filter does not look great right now and all the lurkers need to start posting so that those scummy fuckers do not have so much space to hide. So could you tell us what your thoughts are right now?

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 04 2011 19:33 GMT

#1064

On October 05 2011 04:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:

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On October 05 2011 04:05 Erandorr wrote:

On October 05 2011 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:

On October 02 2011 00:52 risk.nuke wrote:
I don't know what is going on in Pm-land
That said, here is what I currently think,
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kill Incognito
The fact that incogs last post was 15 minutes before prplhz got killed I'm 100% sure he's scum.

Suspicious people
wherebugsgo

I have been suspicious at wbg for a long time.
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On September 30 2011 20:47 risk.nuke wrote:
If I was going to suspect anyone of beeing gf it would be wbg.
Going through his posting, He's definitely trying to create chaos amongst town, and he's agressive enough to think that if he got checked he would come up townie.

Altough he cleaverly never straight out defended Palmar the more I look through his posts the more I think he's scum.
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On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar?

You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much?

Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute?

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On September 30 2011 02:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me.

Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know.

He tries to steal the heat from Palmar thinking that after he got a palmar voter to vote for him instead, he could play the suspicious saint and probably get the town on his side leading to the voters eventually voting for someone else.

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On September 30 2011 04:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself.

You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them?

If Palmar is scum you're scum too.

He tries to create some other suspicious people based on shit and nothing just to create more chaos and distrust. He's case on Furumite started building when he realised Palmer was going down and he wanted to try and frame someone with it.

The only thing wbg has on his plus side is he has been hammering Incognito which he has been doing since the start. If Incognito flips blue wbg is most likely scum. If he flips red This doesn't rule wbg out (see spoiler), might be a longshot but It wouldn't be the first time.

*This is HYPOTHETICALLY and IF Incognitos flips red + Show Spoiler +

Wbg started of attacking incognito to give the townies the feeling that those two can not possibly be together. Despite actually going on him like a berserker wbg doesn't give any solid arguments for why incognito was mafia. Possibly expecting veterans to ignore it because of the lack of arguments and still giving achieving the goal giving townies the feeeling of distrust between wbg and incognito.
He was probably hoping incognitos last plan would save Incognito, when it backfired wbg realise they have to give incognito up

tnkted
Short time after my post against wbg, he posts this + Show Spoiler +

On September 30 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote:
WBG is town. I bring this information from PM land. Plz don't shoot him.

and this + Show Spoiler +

On September 30 2011 23:34 tnkted wrote:
PM me for questions, back to class

I'm a bit puzzled to why I should let a suspicous person be, and since he asked me to. I pm tnktd and ask him why I should drop wbg. In his reply I got no answer from tnktd. I don't understand why he would not tell me why wbg is not mafia since he seems to know that for certainty. As said earlier the first priority of all townies should be to establish their innocence so why? (it's before the first night is over so roles should be irrelevant. Instead he attempts to swing the conversation into me giving him my scumreads. I don't answer while thinking about what to read out of it and what to reply. Shortly after I get another pm, this time from wbg asking the same thing. Me and wbg haven't had any prior private contact and I get scumchills all up my spine.

Other notes
I don't think Curu is scum but the only person I would consider safe is Mig
The person to pm me before speaking in irc was dropbear.

Thanks for your read

At this point, yes, he is probably the most likely to flip scum.

Drop has been tunneling on Sev all game, but I'm leaning town on Sev. Usually when I see this happen it's town tunneling town. Definitely not definitive though.

Still wary of Forumite.

Could you explain what about Sev makes you lean town on him?

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 04 2011 21:41 GMT

#1067

Hey Xtfftc, I see you posting on IRC and I have an idea, do you have a second?

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 04 2011 21:50 GMT

#1069

would you be comfortable sharing GMs pms/logs with either everyone or just me? You are just replaced in after all so it are not your thoughts anyways, and mig was pretty sure I am town. It would help understand NC and also maybe give clues to his/your alignment, so if you are town it could really help you, too.
Feel free to answer me on IRC, if you want.

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 04 2011 21:53 GMT

#1070

Xt, I am mute :D I cannot talk to you on irc

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 05 2011 14:23 GMT

#1095

Lol Supersoft, you are a hero :D

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 05 2011 14:33 GMT

#1097

Shouldn't someone go booom right now?

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 05 2011 14:46 GMT

#1100

Lol just do it forumite, okay? Do not fuck town over appearing more scummy than you actually are, please?

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 05 2011 15:23 GMT

#1107

On October 06 2011 00:08 Nisani201 wrote:
We need more support for a Sinani lynch.

##Vote: sinani206

We?

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 05 2011 16:20 GMT

#1117

Bugs shut up . This is not leading anywhere. Forumite is not a good target for today. But dont you worry , i got one

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 05 2011 16:41 GMT

#1121

No. How about we catch some real scum?

Let us talk about Jcarl.

Firstly, look at his tone and this lovely poem :

These votes I don't quite understand,
This noobie scurred by vets.
I generally hold my vote and
determine what is best.

Why would you underline that you are bad at this game already? there really is no need to unless you want to make sure that no one takes you seriously and as we all now, Scum loooove to do that. Also notice that he does not have any reason to post , really , since there are so many lurkers in the game.

Other example here:

Isn't PM land more beneficial for town? I think this is only my 2nd or 3rd PM game, so correct me if I'm wrong. Since scum already starts with quite a bit more info than town does, isn't it better to use PM land the best we can? Obviously things need to be posted in the thread, but if people can use their discretion with one person instead of having to say it publicly, isn't that better?

or here :

At this point, yes, he is probably the most likely to flip scum.

Drop has been tunneling on Sev all game, but I'm leaning town on Sev. Usually when I see this happen it's town tunneling town. Definitely not definitive though.

Still wary of Forumite.

This is about as noncommittal as you can get He does not want to give us strong reads because he is scum and wants to hide as much as he can.
Let us compare this to a post from a week ago in LOTR where he was town

On September 20 2011 23:21 jcarlsoniv wrote:

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These are the things I get from this post:

1. You are intentionally lurking, which hurts town. I hate lurkers, they ruin the game.
2. Maybe DrH dying sucks more for you cuz you've lost your mafia overlord. Must be rough.
3. Your "strongest townreads" consist of at least 2 people that I think could very well be scum.

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Unacceptable. You want us to just take for granted that you are town, and that we'll understand why later? Absolutely not. It is YOUR job to convince us that you are town. We're not just gonna let you prance around on your merry way and not question you about it, especially after you've been intentionally lurking.

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Lol? "Sandroba is definitely town, and his vote on me is super accurate, so it should come off of me." How are you even remotely confirmed town. Again, it is not your job to tell us you're town. It's our job to understand and analyze from your posts and activity that you could be town. Oh, but wait, you haven't had any posts or activity worth noting. Guess you aren't confirmed town.

Look at the agressive manner in which he is calling palmar out. Also feel free to look at his posts in general and see just how much he is actually doing there. He is strong, confident and not afraid to give his opinion. Here he just lurks. And look what he says there. He hates lurkers, they ruin the game
What does he do this game? He lurks

Now look at the ways in which he votes. This vote on Nuke is pretty bad. Jcarl says that Nuke is scum because he was wrong with all his reads. That alone is no reason to lynch somebody, and is also a subpar effort for someone like jcarl.

On October 05 2011 04:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:

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On October 05 2011 04:05 Erandorr wrote:

On October 05 2011 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +

tnkted
Short time after my post against wbg, he posts this + Show Spoiler +

On September 30 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote:
WBG is town. I bring this information from PM land. Plz don't shoot him.

and this + Show Spoiler +

On September 30 2011 23:34 tnkted wrote:
PM me for questions, back to class

Thanks for your read

Incog got suspicious of both Jcarl and me for the timing of our votes on Palmar. His was even worse than mine. He jumped on the wagon at a very convinient time, not having said anything about the lynch beforehand at the typical "Lets bus this guy " time(3rd or 4th vote)

He tried to softly defend incognito, but caved in after talking to mig. That does not sound like him trying to have doubts, thats him trying to get some towncred on the way.

I want to talk quickly about why I want to lynch jcarl instead of forumite or sinani. Those 2 are famous for being pretty big derps as town (sorry) Jcarl , on the other hand, has proven that he can play rather well and has done nothing of the sort in this game

Let us sum this up,

1.He hates lurkers and lurks hardcore in this game
2.His votes are very convinient and let him keep a low profile
3.As town he has shown to be agressive and confident, in this he tries to be a little noobie who is 4.not sure about anything
5.He does not contribute at all

Guess what that means.

Jcarl is SCUM

## Vote Jcarl

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 05 2011 16:51 GMT

#1123

Yes, I did read those. If you have something against my case please post it or PM it instead of doing something like this. Also read my post before you say anything okay?

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 05 2011 17:13 GMT

#1125

Bugs, I want to lynch scum.

Sinani always plays like this. Look at his past games. He is really really bad. He could be scum, but I think he might as well get shot by one of our brave vigilantes.
Sev is also a giant derp townie. Completely unreadable. You have played with those guys, too , so you could start using your brain at some point, yes?
Mig gave me some intel on Forumite which tells me that it would be a great idea to keep him around.

Now please stop playing like sinani and tell my why you think my case is bad, with all the combinations of arguments i gave here. "I dont like it" is not a valuable contribution. If you read the logs again, notice how Jcarl just tell you he is really bad and does not know anything. Now do me a favor and look at LOTR and how he posts there.

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 05 2011 17:21 GMT

#1127

Just so everyone gets it.
We could go for scummy lurkers who are scummy lurkers every game and generally suck, or we could go for a Vet who plays like a scummy lurker after being very active last week in LOTR.

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 05 2011 17:39 GMT

#1131

Okay,

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Original Message From wherebugsgo:
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> aight
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> you were gonna send me logs right?
[16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> of?
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> your convos with Mig/Curu I believe
[16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> i hadn't spoken with curu
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> just Mig?
[16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, i can send you what i spoke to mig about
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> k sounds good
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> it's always almost impossible to tell whether players had spoken to Curu or not lol
[16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> Curu would always talk to me about things that made it sound like he'd talked to the players
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> rather than hearing through Mig
[16:41] <wherebugsgo> anyway he mentioned he thought you were town based on an argument you had with Mig over whether Incog is town
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> i didn't have an argument with mig
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> more like
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> a very civil discussion
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[16:41] <wherebugsgo> lol
[16:43] <jcarlsoniv_> k, i sent what i spoke to mig about
[16:44] <jcarlsoniv_> learn anything from risk.nuke?
[16:45] <wherebugsgo> to be honest no
[16:45] <wherebugsgo> I can send you the log of our convo if you want
[16:45] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, plz
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> also
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> I've been talking to sevryn
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> really can't tell if he's town or mafia either
[16:50] <jcarlsoniv_> it's risk's first game? O_o
[16:50] <wherebugsgo> yes
[16:50] <wherebugsgo> apparently
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> now keeping that in mind
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn said, don't look into it too much
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> when I told sevryn it is risk's first game
[16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> ?
[16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> teh fack
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> yeah...lol
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> IMO
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn is scumbuddies with Forumite
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> and probably sinani
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> but not 100% on that
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> for now
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to leave my vote on risk
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> and see if sinani shows up and votes him
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i'd like to see how risk flips
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> you want to actually lynch him?
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> i think it being his first game is definitely something we SHOULD take into consideration
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> exactly
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> I mean, he's played like it's his first game
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> for sure
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> "is that scummy?" from your logs with him?
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> lol
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> why the hell
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> I felt like saying
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> why yes
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> yes it is
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[16:53] <jcarlsoniv_> hahahaha
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> but yeah anyway
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> if sevryn is not scum
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> that leaves one of forumite/sinani/dropbear/xt to be the last two
[16:54] <wherebugsgo> err two of rather
[16:54] <jcarlsoniv_> that makes sense
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> how do you plan on finding out if sev is scum? lol
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> I don't believe
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> uhh
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah good question
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> idk
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> do we have a pyro?
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> doubt it
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> not that I know of, anyway
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> ~_~
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> I mean, you're not anything ,are you?
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> nah
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> unfortunately
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah same here lol
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> we lost our medic
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i think
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> and he was probably the only one
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> people see how i play in past games
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> and they're like
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> WOW FUCK THAT HE'S NOT GETTING SHIT
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> loool
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> nah man
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> you're a pretty good player IMO
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i used to be better
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> I can tell you're town
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> got real rusty after my ~6 month hiatus
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> and if you're scum you're playing a damn fantastic game
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> yeah maybe that's what happened to incog lol
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> his mind was just not in it
[16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> has it been a while for him?
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> idk I know he hasn't played recently
[16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> gotcha
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> none of the super vets have
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i gotta say though
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was pretty disappointed with the play of the "super vets" this game
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> rofl
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> only incog is a legendary vet I think
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> he just died due to inactivity
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was expecting to be carried like you carried me in resurrection xD
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> probably RL shit
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> oh dude resurrection
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> lol I loved that setup
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> so baller
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> it was definitely
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> NOT
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> the game
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> to come back with
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> no flip hahaha
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> srsly
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> tbh I like that better
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> first no flip game i ever played
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> psh i don't
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can make cool things happen with it
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i hate not learning things after a lynch
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> like all of it
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> is on scumhunting lol
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> see
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm bad at that
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> meh
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> have some confidence lol
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> IMO even if you're not on the right track
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can tell when something's wrong
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> like honestl
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> incog was such an easy lynch
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> palmar was too. Who defended him?
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> did anyone?
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> me, forumite, incog
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> xD
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> forumite never did it directly
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i knew palmar was an easy lynch
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> he just kept saying "I don't like wbg/jackal lynch I'd prefer Curu/Palmar and I lean Curu"
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> over and over
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> just never quantified his statements
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i may have been a bit bitter with him over LOTR still haha
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> just kept saying he liked Curu better
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> lawl Palmar
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> idk why he hates scum
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> he just rolled over and died
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> as the fuckin pyro
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> anyway
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> let's try to determine
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> [1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> this shit
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> oh wow
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> that didn't work at all
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> h/o
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it.
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> wut is that
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> lawl
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> alright
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> you think he's noob town or noob scum?
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> he's either scum or REALLY FUCKING NOOB town
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> like
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> a lot of what he's saying is noob town
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> but there are little things in there
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> that are like
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> "why would he say that if he's town"
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> yes, precisely
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> now did you notice anything weird about the timestamps?
[17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> uh not really?
[17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> convo took 2.5 hours?
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> not a long convo, is it?
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> it's about as long as the one we've had
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> in roughly 25
[17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> why was that?
[17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> he take a long time to respond to everything?
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> indeed
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> this was on skype
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> I went back and replaced his name and my name with our s/ns
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> but otherwise it's unchanged
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> the timestamps
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> if you notice
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> sometimes he takes as long as 6 minutes to respond
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> actually I think the longest gap was 10
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> and then at one point I left cause I was impatient lol
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> and came back 10 minutes later
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> glad that's not suspicious or anything
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> also since skype allows you to see the person typing
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> he would type type type
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> then erase it all
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> then just sit there
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i saw you say something about it
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> like he was over cautious about what he was saying
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> yeah exactly
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> I have no idea why
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> I talked to kenpachi
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> and he was like yeah I do that too, but I don't spend five minutes replying
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> and I was in total agreement...everyone erases a bit
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> but no one does that
[17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> i assume that's why you'd use skype over this though?
[17:10] <jcarlsoniv_> at least, that's a strong reason
[17:10] <wherebugsgo> nah he preferred skype lol
[17:10] <wherebugsgo> tbh with you I never considered that until this guy did it
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> hah
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> but even so he has no opinions
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> even new people have opinions
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> albeit, usually wrong ones
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> right
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> Sevryn has a few opinions
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> but he has no opinion on Forumite
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> which is really weird
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'm about to read that log
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> yeah read it and lemme know what you think, I'll brb
[17:16] <jcarlsoniv_> kinda weird how he avoided forumite til you pressed it
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> yep
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was fine with sinani
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was like "oh wat sinani's in the game wtf?"
[17:17] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> problem is he voted for risk lol
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> so I guess the solution is to lynch forumite today
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> but some people aren't willing to do that today
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> and rather would wait to see if he lives till tomorrow
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> well
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> hmm
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> if he is blue and we lynch him
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> that really really sucks
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> yeah that's exactly why people are war
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> *wary
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> if he lives til tomorrow, we get at least one more night with him
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> to me he's been scum all game so I don't give a shit
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> assuming he's blue
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, he's been scummy to me too
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> yeah assuming he's blue he'll get shot
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> by the mafia
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> for being alive 3 nights in a row
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> when it was obvious he wasn't VT
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> maybe they're just derps
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> no way
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> well
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> and are happier just killing VTs
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> okay yeah I guess that's possible lol
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> they shot a bunch of mutes
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> and the only remaining players in the game
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> are pretty much derps
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> so yeah
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> wtf
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> true
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> also
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> wtf lol so we can't even assume that
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> you told sev i'm only a null???
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> *cry*
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> that hurts
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> indeed
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> don't worry
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> not gonna tell sevryn shit
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> I don't want my reads leaking to scum
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> wink wink
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> wink wink nudge nudge
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> slap
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> =(
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> oh I thought you liked slaps
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> dammit
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> no
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that was you
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> oh right
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> alright so we have sev/risk covered
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> as in we don't fucking know what they are
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> feels like
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that's a common theme
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> yeah
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> this game is absolute trash
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> too many nulls
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> I got warned for posting too much in the thread
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> by kurumi loll
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> i saw that
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> kurumi real troll
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> on scum team
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> lawl
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> bah
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> doesn't want you posting, modkills curu lol
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> both modkills were bs IMO
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> what was the other one?
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> tnkted
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> for not voting in the voting thread
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> oh
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> well
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> tbh
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> if i were to host a game, i'd be super strict
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> like, no warnings for edits and shit
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> yeah I can see the tnkted one but
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz people should know by now
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> true true
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, the curu one sucks
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> i mean, i guess it's fair
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but really fucks us
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> curu actually thought the tnkted modkill was bs lol
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> and his was okay
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> but w/e
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> enough hosting discussion
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> dude
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> we're like
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> super ADD
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> loool
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> now
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> dropbear
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> hey man this has been one of the most productive PMs I've had
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> DB needs to show up
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> or I want him dead
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i agree
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but i don't think it should happen now
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i think we need to watch him closely
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> because
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> sev is right that DB has been tunneling
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> more often than not
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> a tunnel this hard is town on town
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> town on town action
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> aight so let's assume they're both town
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> that leaves us with four
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani risk forumite xt
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani/xt scum or not?
[17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> god idk
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> I mean in this case with this assumption one of them has to be
[17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm not sure what to make of NC's display
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> yeah so I'ma throw another null wrench into the mix
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> gun to head
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> GM's rage seemed to be genuine
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> out of those two
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> i'd say sinani
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> okay I agree
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> but, again, not much to go on
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> xt I think is town
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> because he responded to me in a townie fashion earlier
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> when I asked him for his reads
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> k
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> like
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> aggressive townie fashion
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> however the fact that he had no reads
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> you'd know something about that, eh?
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> he had no reads though. and like...he seemed to lack interest
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> not sure what to pick up on that but I told him to get me reads within 23 hours
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> before lynch basically
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> we can't lynch him today anyway
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> it'd be dumb
[17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> i can imagine being a replacement sucks
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> yeah I agree
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> reading all the shit me incog and NC wrote lol
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> but anyway he seemed to be putting in effort in reading it
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> so I've actually been leaning green on him
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> sinani is absolutely null again
[17:28] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> le sigh
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm curious though
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> if we could get
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> DB and Sevryn
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> in the same IRC chat
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> and see what they start saying lol
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> idk
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> might be
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> a really quiet chat room
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to post this in the thread
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> that they should PM me
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> now, kenpachi accuses me and supersoft
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite soft defends
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> what do you make of that
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi accusing two townies
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> Forumite jumping on the opportunity to mislynch
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi is just careless
[17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> now that you say that
[17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> i vaguely remember that from like a year ago
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> about kenpachi?
[17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> oh lol
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> well
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> I've only played with him twice
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> here and resurrection
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> not much difference tbh
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> I get a townie vibe from him in PMs
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> but you should talk to him
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> you should talk to all these players actually
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> don't mention I sent you
[17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'll see what i can find out
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> although, if kenpachi thinks i'm scum
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> he may not want to say anything at all
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> eh generally
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> the way you talk to someone will convince them of you being scum or town
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> so I'm sure if you just talk to him like we've talked it'll be fine
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> nah man
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> imma be like
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> YO Y U THINK I SCUM
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> aight so
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> this is what I'm gonna do
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> I'm gonna make a spreadsheet
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> with numbers and shit
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> of who thinks who is scum
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> numbers??? no wai
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> then maybe we can identify our mafia that way
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah man numbers and colors and shit
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> why don't you make it a google doc
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah I will
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> ok
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> oh wtf
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> I pressed "create spreedsheet"
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> and it did nothing
[17:36] <jcarlsoniv_> you fail the internets
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> what the fak
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> lol wtf
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> it's seriously not doing anything
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> tried it in chrome and firefox
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> T_T
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> lemme try
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> on fucking IE cuz i'm on a library comp
[17:38] <wherebugsgo> lol

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Original Message From wherebugsgo:
[17:49] <wherebugsgo___> well that was dumb
[17:49] <wherebugsgo___> got booted off chrome somehow
[17:49] == jcarlsoniv_ [webchat@198.7.239.20]
[17:49] == realname : http://webchat.quakenet.org
[17:49] == channels : #loonybin
[17:49] == server : *.quakenet.org [QuakeNet IRC Server]
[17:49] == End of WHOIS
[17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl
[17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> you have
[17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> so many underscores
[17:50] <wherebugsgo___> yeah lol
[17:51] <wherebugsgo___> I figured out what was wrong with the thing
[17:51] <wherebugsgo___> it's google's "new look" in the doc page
[17:51] <wherebugsgo___> switched it to classic and it worked lol
[17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k
[17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> so you're making it?
[17:52] <wherebugsgo___> indeed will start now
[17:52] <wherebugsgo___> okay
[17:52] <wherebugsgo___> so
[17:52] <wherebugsgo___> most likely scum to least likely for you?
[17:52] <wherebugsgo___> remaining 12 players:
[17:52] <wherebugsgo___> 2. sinani206 3. risk.nuke 4. jcarlsoniv 5. wherebugsgo 7. Nisani201 8. Erandorr 9. NotChezinu/Replaced by xtffc 13. Kenpachi 14. DropBear 15. Forumite 19. supersoft 20. Sevryn
[17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhhhh
[17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> this is like a fucking IQ test...
[17:54] <wherebugsgo___> lawl
[17:54] <wherebugsgo___> all of them
[17:54] <wherebugsgo___> are below 80
[17:54] <jcarlsoniv_> below 80 what?
[17:54] <wherebugsgo___> IQ
[17:54] <wherebugsgo___> so basically
[17:54] <wherebugsgo___> pick out the dumb townies
[17:54] <wherebugsgo___> from the dumb scum game
[17:54] <wherebugsgo___> that's what this is hahaha
[17:55] <jcarlsoniv_> lovely
[17:56] <jcarlsoniv_> gonna take a minute, doing hw at the same time haha
[17:57] <wherebugsgo___> k sounds good
[17:57] <wherebugsgo___> take your time no rush
[18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite/risknuke, sinani, DB, xtffc, supersoft, Sev, Kenpachi, Erandorr, nisani, WBG/jcarl
[18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> i guess
[18:04] <wherebugsgo___> aight
[18:05] <wherebugsgo___> I'll put that in
[18:05] <wherebugsgo___> at what point
[18:05] <wherebugsgo___> do you cross from unsure
[18:05] <wherebugsgo___> to town
[18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> at WBG/jcarl
[18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> jk
[18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhh
[18:05] <wherebugsgo___> sev/ken or xt/super
[18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> probably somewhere between kenpachi and erandorr
[18:06] <wherebugsgo___> ah okay
[18:06] <jcarlsoniv_> actually, switch kenpachi and erandorr, i don't really have much on erandorr
[18:06] <wherebugsgo___> alright
[18:06] <wherebugsgo___> so
[18:06] <wherebugsgo___> erandor and below
[18:06] <wherebugsgo___> is unsure
[18:06] <wherebugsgo___> and risk/forumite is scum
[18:07] <jcarlsoniv_> how far is that from your list?
[18:07] <wherebugsgo___> mmm
[18:07] <wherebugsgo___> not terribly far but I think I have more info than you do
[18:08] <wherebugsgo___> basically based on what Curu and Mig told me
[18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately they didn't give me reasons
[18:08] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm sure they had them
[18:08] <wherebugsgo___> you, me, kenpachi, super, erandor, nisani are all town
[18:08] <wherebugsgo___> like above 90% on all of you
[18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately erandor is mute but I have to say his posting in the thread is not scummy at all
[18:09] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah that's why i'm unsure on erandorr
[18:09] <wherebugsgo___> so basically out of these I'd rank kenpachi as the lowest on being sure because he said you and super are scum for no reason
[18:09] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm still like 90 on him
[18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then we get into
[18:10] <wherebugsgo___> xt/DB/sev/sinani
[18:10] <wherebugsgo___> who are all derp and could be either
[18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then forumite/risk of whom I think forumite is 95% scum and risk who is like 70% lol
[18:11] <wherebugsgo___> but out of these I'd rank xt the highest, closest to town
[18:11] <wherebugsgo___> then DB/sev are equal
[18:11] <wherebugsgo___> sinani third to last and then risk/forumite
[18:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i can jump on board with that
[18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah
[18:13] <wherebugsgo___> it comes down to determining which FoSes match
[18:13] <wherebugsgo___> the DB/sev thing is like???
[18:13] <wherebugsgo___> probably both retard town
[18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and we need to see who defends whom
[18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah exactly
[18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and who condemns whom
[18:15] <wherebugsgo___> did you notice
[18:15] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn glossed over sinani?
[18:15] <wherebugsgo___> AND forumite
[18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he asked if sinani was playing
[18:15] <wherebugsgo___> but he didn't answer my question
[18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he answered it about Forumite when I pressed the issue
[18:16] <wherebugsgo___> but he gave me no opinion about sinani
[18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i did
[18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> i keep getting mixed up with nisani and sinani personally lol
[18:16] <wherebugsgo___> lol
[18:16] <wherebugsgo___> nisani is town
[18:16] <wherebugsgo___> I can almost guarantee that
[18:17] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k
[18:17] <wherebugsgo___> as for sinani he could be on the moon and I wouldn't know
[18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> we need to pressure the lurkers
[18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> weird for me to say cuz i'm kinda one of them
[18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> at least
[18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm a thread lurker
[18:18] <wherebugsgo___> yeah but you're not a PM lurker
[18:18] <wherebugsgo___> not like DB
[18:18] <wherebugsgo___> who is both
[18:19] <wherebugsgo___> or sinani
[18:19] <wherebugsgo___> who just sucks
[18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> ok, i'm going back to my room
[18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> save these logs
[18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz i can't, lol
[18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> i'll be back on in like
[18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> 5 - 10 minutes
[18:20] <wherebugsgo___> alight sounds good

These are the logs Bugs sent me. Read my analysis, then read those and see if there is anything that would make you believe jcarl is town. Also notice that mig had Jcarl categorized as one of the most scummy people in the game.

Bugs, like incog I will ignore you, since you are unable to post without insults, all CAPS , or just spamming the thread without any argumennts

Everyone else please read what I have written and feel free to discuss it. I realize that I posted it far too late, but consider it for today, if possible.

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 05 2011 18:33 GMT

#1138

Hey Jcarl.
You say you have a reputation for wrongly accusing town? Well, why don't you do this in this game, too?

I have read the logs of you and Bugs, for the most part its him talking at you. All you do thats a "read" is giving bugs a list from bottom to top about scummyness. Thats not giving a read, thats giving a list without any justification. THe rest of the conversation is Bugs talking at you and you, for the most part agreeing with him. For him that is a sign of you being town , not for anybody who looks at it objectivly.

The PM part is impossible to track, which makes it very convinient. I do however, have to ask the question why, if you think everyone in here is retarded, you do not try to push your lynch instead of giving a 1 lines accusation about a lurker who is playing his first game. Who have you been talking to the last few days?

Now derailing this on my is typical scum logic. If you cannot argue with something, lets make me look bad, too. I agree that my timing is looking scummy but that is not enough to make me scum, The rest of the my Case does make you scum , though.

What bugged me about Incog is that you never considered how he could play so bad as Town, either. Oh wait I do. You are scum and knew he is not...

Mig thought you are likely scum too, and his judgement is great, you are right

Oh and I love how you ignored my part about your 1 line Vote for Nuke.

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 05 2011 18:59 GMT

#1141

On October 06 2011 03:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:

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Did I not just say that I'm trying to be more selective? You want me to go back to my ways of wrongly accusing town?

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I wasn't trying to make you look scummy. I was discrediting your argument.

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But you know what? If you really want to lynch me, that is your choice. What will you learn from lynching me though? That you were wrong, first off. But say I were to flip scum, who does that implicate?

I agree with WBG + Show Spoiler +

zomg i'm doing it again

that we have the potential to learn the most from Sevryn's flip. Forumite is refusing to snipe him. I don't understand why unless there is a connection.

##unvote
##vote Sevryn

I can assure you that Forumite is not refusing because there is a connection.
.

Now you are in fact not discrediting my argument. My vote was scummy, your was too. That is what I was saying. you are not discrediting my argument you are saying" lol you did the same thing"

Also, why would you point out what we get from your lynch? I say that you I can read, Sev I cannot and I would rather go for a certain scum lynch. You should try to convince me that you are town and not talk about what this lynch does for me. Is this really all you got ? Also why don't you tell me who you have been talking with? I am sure that they would come forward and defend you, right?

Erandorr

2283 Posts

October 05 2011 19:16 GMT

#1145

On October 06 2011 04:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:

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On October 06 2011 03:59 Erandorr wrote:

On October 06 2011 03:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:

On October 06 2011 03:33 Erandorr wrote:
Hey Jcarl.
You say you have a reputation for wrongly accusing town? Well, why don't you do this in this game, too?

Did I not just say that I'm trying to be more selective? You want me to go back to my ways of wrongly accusing town?

I have read the logs of you and Bugs, for the most part its him talking at you. All you do thats a "read" is giving bugs a list from bottom to top about scummyness. Thats not giving a read, thats giving a list without any justification. THe rest of the conversation is Bugs talking at you and you, for the most part agreeing with him. For him that is a sign of you being town , not for anybody who looks at it objectivly.

The PM part is impossible to track, which makes it very convinient. I do however, have to ask the question why, if you think everyone in here is retarded, you do not try to push your lynch instead of giving a 1 lines accusation about a lurker who is playing his first game. Who have you been talking to the last few days?

Now derailing this on my is typical scum logic. If you cannot argue with something, lets make me look bad, too. I agree that my timing is looking scummy but that is not enough to make me scum, The rest of the my Case does make you scum , though.

I wasn't trying to make you look scummy. I was discrediting your argument.

What bugged me about Incog is that you never considered how he could play so bad as Town, either. Oh wait I do. You are scum and knew he is not...

Mig thought you are likely scum too, and his judgement is great, you are right

Oh and I love how you ignored my part about your 1 line Vote for Nuke.

zomg i'm doing it again

that we have the potential to learn the most from Sevryn's flip. Forumite is refusing to snipe him. I don't understand why unless there is a connection.

##unvote
##vote Sevryn

I have spoken with Mig, Incog, Nisani, WBG, xtff. I tried to speak with DB, but he never responded to me. A couple of them are already dead, WBG has already spoken up in my defense.

I know that once someone is convinced someone else is scum, it is an extremely difficult task to convince them otherwise. I do not have the energy nor desire to bang my head against the wall trying to convince you that you are wrong.

I have to go to practice though, I will be back after the lynch.

Oh no , I am completely open minded. THe thing is though that you have unfortunately not given me anything that I would consider enough to change my mind I am afraid. So being active for you means talking to three people? The rest are all dead after all.

Why not try to talk to risk.nuke, if you think he is scum? Or Sevryn?
They are lurking pretty bad after all. If you are convinced of them being scum, shouldnt you try to get as much information out of them as possible?

Please give me another reason for that other than you are scum and do not need to talk to them and know their alignment anyways.

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