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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Curu
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On September 22 2011 20:58 Palmar wrote: Syllogism is looking better, sandroba is looking worse. If you think syllogism is looking townie then obviously Drazerk should be looking townish too. Syllogism said he shot iGrok but then iGrok survived. Drazerk immediately starts dropping hints all over that he's the medic that protected iGrok. The response was quick enough that the only way Drazerk as mafia could have done it is if it was all preplanned. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On September 22 2011 23:47 syllogism wrote: So predictably igrok is completely worthless at least if we pick the target for him, assuming scum has a roleblocker yes, that's why he should NOT shoot, and then we hang him tomorrow! | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On September 22 2011 23:48 chaoser wrote: If you think syllogism is looking townie then obviously Drazerk should be looking townish too. Syllogism said he shot iGrok but then iGrok survived. Drazerk immediately starts dropping hints all over that he's the medic that protected iGrok. The response was quick enough that the only way Drazerk as mafia could have done it is if it was all preplanned. you're a dumbass if you believe this. I don't think you are, because you're being maliciously ignorant. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On September 23 2011 00:07 Palmar wrote: you're a dumbass if you believe this. I don't think you are, because you're being maliciously ignorant. I'm sorry, how am I being a dumbass? Ad hominem attacks don't help me understand why you think the way you do. I actually don't see how that thinking is wrong and I don't see how I'm bring maliciously ignorant if I'm ASKING YOU TO HELP ME SEE WHERE MY LOGIC IS WRONG. Also you talk about me being "wrong too much to be town" and yet never mention radfield. He's the ace of scum hunting, to have dropped the ball twice on last minute switches. And stop being an asshole, seriously, you're starting to annoy me. He's the ace of scum hunting and for him to have dropped the ball twice on last minute switches is glaring. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 22 2011 23:45 Curu wrote: An unblockable kill can be roleblocked (ironically enough). It will go through all protections except those that cause the action to never be carried out in the first place. Major fuck up by me  Sorry Sandro, I didn't get what you were saying until I got back. Why did no one listen to this: + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2011 06:51 sandroba wrote: Man here is the deal. Let's assume igrok is telling the truth. We don't lynch him and we tell him to shoot X person tonight. Obviously if that person is mafia he will be roleblocked. If the person is town they will either let the shot go through or roleblock him and create a fucking mess and possibly waste more lynches. He can withold his shot indefinitely and claim rb. He can claim he found saruman at any time and possibly make us mislynch. We can't deal with him later in the game close to lylo. So even if he is actually telling the truth I don't see how we can trust this and trust he won't do pro-mafia actions. There is currently 7 townies and 1 mafia dead, so I know who I would side with if I was what he claims to be. Mafia is never going to get rid of him for us. We can either lynch him now or have a copy of this day at a later date, so I don't think we have much of a choice besides lynching him now. Or ask if an unblockable kill could be roleblocked.... Obviously we're not picking a specific target, which means that we either give iGrok a range of several targets, or have him not shoot at all. At this point it makes far more sense to have him not shoot at all. If he is mafia, a range of targets is exactly what he wants, as he just picks the townie out of the mix. If he is mafia and told not to shoot, then we at least have some tools available if there are too many night kills. Also, if he is told not to shoot and still shoots, he runs the risk being tracked to a target. Thoughts? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
EBWOP: He's the ace of scum hunting and for him to have dropped the ball twice on last minute switches is glaring. replacing: He's the ace of scum hunting, to have dropped the ball twice on last minute switches | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 23 2011 00:20 Radfield wrote: Major fuck up by me Sorry Sandro, I didn't get what you were saying until I got back. Why did no one listen to this: + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2011 06:51 sandroba wrote: Man here is the deal. Let's assume igrok is telling the truth. We don't lynch him and we tell him to shoot X person tonight. Obviously if that person is mafia he will be roleblocked. If the person is town they will either let the shot go through or roleblock him and create a fucking mess and possibly waste more lynches. He can withold his shot indefinitely and claim rb. He can claim he found saruman at any time and possibly make us mislynch. We can't deal with him later in the game close to lylo. So even if he is actually telling the truth I don't see how we can trust this and trust he won't do pro-mafia actions. There is currently 7 townies and 1 mafia dead, so I know who I would side with if I was what he claims to be. Mafia is never going to get rid of him for us. We can either lynch him now or have a copy of this day at a later date, so I don't think we have much of a choice besides lynching him now. Or ask if an unblockable kill could be roleblocked.... Obviously we're not picking a specific target, which means that we either give iGrok a range of several targets, or have him not shoot at all. At this point it makes far more sense to have him not shoot at all. If he is mafia, a range of targets is exactly what he wants, as he just picks the townie out of the mix. If he is mafia and told not to shoot, then we at least have some tools available if there are too many night kills. Also, if he is told not to shoot and still shoots, he runs the risk being tracked to a target. Thoughts? Do we really want a third party survivor to hold onto a kp late game? I think he should shoot, since it minimizes his threat to town. If he doesn't shoot, on day 4/5 he could aim his sights on town in an attempt to give control of the lynch to scum. Also, even if his shot is role blocked, that's still a role block that's not being used on town. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 23 2011 00:07 Palmar wrote: you're a dumbass if you believe this. I don't think you are, because you're being maliciously ignorant. And you are being intentionally malicious. On September 23 2011 00:26 kitaman27 wrote: Do we really want a third party survivor to hold onto a kp late game? I think he should shoot, since it minimizes his threat to town. If he doesn't shoot, on day 4/5 he could aim his sights on town in an attempt to give control of the lynch to scum. Also, even if his shot is role blocked, that's still a role block that's not being used on town. I agree with you, but the thing is, we have no guarantee that he would use his shot either way. He could just not shoot and claim to be roleblocked, and mafia could gamble that he doesn't shoot. Then there's a whole bunch of WIFOM that will ensue. On September 22 2011 14:09 syllogism wrote: Sure, it's possible Curu made a really dumb role, but as with everything else in mafia, one thing is more likely than the other This isn't a very good basis to argue against a claim. I think it was one of DrH's experimental games way back when that Ace was flipping out over a claim because he had never seen it possible. Turns out it was true and Ace got completely screwed over because he was too think headed to accept it as a possibility. Since it's closed set up, I feel it could either way =/ On September 22 2011 14:27 syllogism wrote: No, what I'm saying is that no role in the game is told what the ring does, until the ring is given to them or they obtain it by other means. Especially not a role that has absolutely nothing to do with the ring. This is a good point though. Again, all things are possible in closed, but it seems all the other roles have no idea what the Ring will do based on the revealed role PMs. I still don't understand why Drazerk protected iGrok night 1 (or so he claims). iGrok was lurking pretty hard, and not contributing. There would be no reason for him to protect iGrok, because mafia had no reason to target him. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
why did you vote to lynch a townie over scum? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On September 23 2011 00:32 Palmar wrote: why do you care what I think chaoser? Because you just called me a dumbass. So I want to know WHY I'm a dumbass. Just saying I'm a dumbass doesn't make me understand the situation. I'm not going to read you calling me a dumbass and go: "OHHHHH so THAT'S why my thinking was wrong, I'm just a fucking dumbass. I guess I'll try to be less of a dumbass and then I can see what the fuck Palmer is talking about." So why am I a dumbass palmer? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
I think you're actually good enough to understand the situation, but you're just choosing not to because unfortunately you rolled scum again. Actually I know you're one of the best players in this game, so anything silly you do paints you red like the ocean. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 23 2011 00:49 Palmar wrote: hi jcarl. why did you vote to lynch a townie over scum? Hello! Because I clearly have a lot to learn in this game again. Looking back, at the end of the day, the choices were you and jackal. Jackal flipped town. So you're right. I should have voted for scum. Should have left my vote on you. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On September 23 2011 00:52 jcarlsoniv wrote: Hello! Because I clearly have a lot to learn in this game again. Looking back, at the end of the day, the choices were you and jackal. Jackal flipped town. So you're right. I should have voted for scum. Should have left my vote on you. funny man. The choice was Jackal/iGrok. And one of them claimed an anti-town role. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On September 23 2011 00:52 Palmar wrote: I said I don't think you're a dumbass bro. I think you're actually good enough to understand the situation, but you're just choosing not to because unfortunately you rolled scum again. Actually I know you're one of the best players in this game, so anything silly you do paints you red like the ocean. Right, and I'm saying you overestimate my abilities. I'm not foolishness and I'm not radfield. They're both WAY better players than I am. I'd say I'm above average at most. The only game I did super well in was the one where I fake claimed DT as Vet and even then that was a crapshoot. I made a bunch of wrong reads in the prot game (really only catching GM and Jackal and the GM one was more based on meta since I had just played a PM game with him where I talked to him the whole game on skype) and aside from that I'm not a scum catching machine (you can look at my long history of games, I only started getting "good" recently.) I can see that Drazerk and iGrok are connected, clearly. And I can also entertain the thought that they are both mafia, but in that case this whole balrog/medic protect/cleave thing is probably pre-planned in which case all three of them (drazerk, igrok, and syllogism) are mafia. | ||
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Palmar
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syllogism
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