Dam missed the close of the lynch again.

And syllo really give it a rest. It's possible and everything else adds up. I also haven't forgotten you completely misused your day vig.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 04:57 GMT

#1304

What is "everything else" that adds up?

heist

United States720 Posts

September 22 2011 05:04 GMT

#1305

his level of activity prior to his claim. his complete confusion over his survival. the later claim by Drazerk that explains everything. the win con explanation by Curu that makes iGrok's claim compatible to a town victory.

In fact the one going out their limb is you. Your only argument is that Balrog can't possibly be not evil. He's neutral to the main conflict in the lore, he can be neutral here. I just think think we have much better people to go after than iGrok.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 05:07 GMT

#1306

That's not the only argument, the role itself doesn't make sense. Neutral survivors don't have to kill townies to win and he doesn't even have to do that personally, making it even more nonsensical. Why does his role allegedly tell what happens if gets the ring when the ring has nothing to do with his role, he has no means of obtaining it besides his one shot which is supposed to be used on gandalf? Why didn't Sauron's role description say what happens if he gets the ring, when he even has an ability that allows him to search for it?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 05:09 GMT

#1307

Sure, it's possible Curu made a really dumb role, but as with everything else in mafia, one thing is more likely than the other

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 05:12 GMT

#1308

And are you seriously saying his level of activity, ie lurking and being worthless, makes him a survivor rather than mafia/sk?

heist

United States720 Posts

September 22 2011 05:14 GMT

#1309

Neutral survivors can be whatever Curu wants esp as it fits with the lore. Honestly, would you make Balrog mafia or neutral? He's not part of the central conflict AT ALL in the story. I'm assuming everyone who has special powers with the ring don't have the ability to obtain it on will. How do you know Sauron has an active ability with the ring? perhaps his main purpose is just to locate it and give to a mafia member who can most use it.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 05:19 GMT

#1310

When you have to resort to speculating that maybe Sauron doesn't personally really want the ring, but is rather just assisting one of his henchmen to find it, it's perhaps better to just concede the argument

heist

United States720 Posts

September 22 2011 05:24 GMT

#1311

Actually you are the resorting to speculation that the role flip doesn't reveal everything. I have no reason to believe something is hidden in the flips.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 05:27 GMT

#1312

No, what I'm saying is that no role in the game is told what the ring does, until the ring is given to them or they obtain it by other means. Especially not a role that has absolutely nothing to do with the ring.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 05:33 GMT

#1313

Heist by the way remember when you argued in WaW2 that The Pacifist Ocean was a legit claim? Good times

heist

United States720 Posts

September 22 2011 05:40 GMT

#1314

hahaha. I defended kita hardcore that game.

iGrok

United States5142 Posts

September 22 2011 05:48 GMT

#1315

Syllogism, who do you trust to both be a townie and have good judgement?

Obviously you fail the second criteria. Anyone who passes both?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 06:41 GMT

#1316

The answer is likely "no one" and I've no reason to answer the question given that I've no idea what you are going to do with this information. If you are miraculously a third party who isn't SK and truly wanted to help town, you wouldn't need me to answer that question. You said I don't have good judgment and then ask me to make such a decision for you? If the intention is to have this other person to unilaterally decide for you whom to shoot with your alleged ability, clearly you don't want to take responsibility if the target flips town.

iGrok

United States5142 Posts

September 22 2011 07:52 GMT

#1317

On September 22 2011 15:41 syllogism wrote:
The answer is likely "no one" and I've no reason to answer the question given that I've no idea what you are going to do with this information. If you are miraculously a third party who isn't SK and truly wanted to help town, you wouldn't need me to answer that question. You said I don't have good judgment and then ask me to make such a decision for you? If the intention is to have this other person to unilaterally decide for you whom to shoot with your alleged ability, clearly you don't want to take responsibility if the target flips town.

Haha, no, to be honest at this point I'm just messing with you.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

September 22 2011 09:27 GMT

#1318

If you're a townie and were on Jackal's wagon you need to take a long hard look at your play and realize you're a liability to the team.

Please don't do stupid stuff no more.

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

September 22 2011 10:10 GMT

#1319

yes well, sorry for not voting, i was so tired and i slept in. i didnt want to vote for jackal. therefore i tried to find a better target. palmar what do you think about radfield. i think he controlled the town day1/2 and lead us nowhere. jackal really was a bad lynch. lynching him this early in the game when he had no time to do something and scum had no time to shoot him isn't optimal.

Cyber_Cheese

Australia3615 Posts

September 22 2011 10:39 GMT

#1320

On September 22 2011 19:10 supersoft wrote:
yes well, sorry for not voting, i was so tired and i slept in. i didnt want to vote for jackal. therefore i tried to find a better target. palmar what do you think about radfield. i think he controlled the town day1/2 and lead us nowhere. jackal really was a bad lynch. lynching him this early in the game when he had no time to do something and scum had no time to shoot him isn't optimal.

When presented with the choice, he chose jackal for whatever reason,and then all those people figured they could follow his lead. While you should remember that Jackal didn't look innocent, the case was better on Palmar than it was on Jackal, I suspect him and/or several of the people that moved to Jackal are scum.

These people were on both Errandor and Jackal's wagons at days end, and in my opinion are therefore people we should be wary of:
-Radfield
-kitaman27
-OriginalName
-TranceStorm
-Drazerk