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Curu
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On September 22 2011 19:39 Cyber_Cheese wrote: When presented with the choice, he chose jackal for whatever reason,and then all those people figured they could follow his lead. While you should remember that Jackal didn't look innocent, the case was better on Palmar than it was on Jackal, I suspect him and/or several of the people that moved to Jackal are scum. These people were on both Errandor and Jackal's wagons at days end, and in my opinion are therefore people we should be wary of: -Radfield -kitaman27 -OriginalName -TranceStorm -Drazerk You are the master of terrible logic. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 22 2011 10:07 chaoser wrote: woah woah woah, where did GGQ come from? You never/barely talk about him and all of a sudden you're calling a hit on him? Partly to see GGQs reaction, but mostly because not everything this game has been going on in thread, as you should be able to tell by the role list so far. There is also no reason to lay out all my reads during the day, as that just clutters and muddies the waters. Fact is, if iGrok is actually third party, then GGQ is most definitely scum. Consider GGQ's contributions this game: Other than cast suspicion on iGrok, he has done nothing but theorycraft and post neutrally. If iGrok is third party and not mafia, which is most likely the case, then GGQ loses his one saving grace(which was medium pressure on potential scum). GGQ went two days without posting and has a total of 4 posts on day 2. The sum total content from those 4 posts is this: iGrok has done nothing to alleviate my suspicions and remains my #1 scum read. I can't find anyone who seems directly connected to him, except perhaps archon for a chainsaw vote on me after I voted igrok and this: As for jackal, I find him suspicious in a "I have no reason to think you are town" way, but I find iGrok suspicious in a "I have reason to think you are scum" way. Besides which, I know jackal has the potential to be valuable in a late game situation, where I don't know the same about iGrok. If you thought iGrok was so scummy why weren't you pushing him? You pop in, give your opinion, and make no effort do discuss or sway the lynch one way or the other. Read GGQs filter, it won't take long I promise. Exact same thing happened on Day 1, a bunch of posts, obviously around, yet apprx 1 paragraph worth of content. On September 22 2011 11:14 GGQ wrote: ^a question I'm also interested in On September 22 2011 11:17 GGQ wrote: Also, please review what happened in the last 12 hours or so. This is what's known as a last minute bw. It is bad. Congratulations, you've learned something about playing mafia! You're obviously around, you're popping in the thread to "defend" yourself, but you still refrain from posting anything useful. Who are you're scum reads, who are you're town reads? You're supposed to be decent yet if you disappeared from this game no one would notice. You need to step it up or die. _______________ On September 22 2011 13:13 Pyo wrote: radfield is scum... Make a case and do some work. You think I'm scum, spell it out then. Filter me, find the scum motivations behind my posting, don't sit back and sling mud. Since your kneejerk scumslip OMGUS on me you have done nothing. You put your vote down on me, and contributed ZERO to the discussion today: You didn't even mention iGrok or Jackal, despite me specifically asking your opinion on them both. The only thing you had to say about Palmar is to write a paragraph explaining why he was a null read, which was just sheeping EXACTLY what i had written several hours earlier. ______ You're right in a way. I'm jumping the gun on GGQ since iGrok very well could still be scum. If that's the case then presumably he actually has done something this game. Not to mention this kind of dictation does nothing for the town. Best way to play this is to treat it as a double lynch: We vote on who we think the best target for the night kill is. This gets everyone down on paper, and encourages discussion during the night: ##Nightkill: Pyo | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 22 2011 15:41 syllogism wrote: The answer is likely "no one" and I've no reason to answer the question given that I've no idea what you are going to do with this information. If you are miraculously a third party who isn't SK and truly wanted to help town, you wouldn't need me to answer that question. You said I don't have good judgment and then ask me to make such a decision for you? If the intention is to have this other person to unilaterally decide for you whom to shoot with your alleged ability, clearly you don't want to take responsibility if the target flips town. Then lets assume your opinion is one among many. Who should he use his nightkill on? On September 22 2011 14:07 syllogism wrote: That's not the only argument, the role itself doesn't make sense. Neutral survivors don't have to kill townies to win and he doesn't even have to do that personally, making it even more nonsensical. Why does his role allegedly tell what happens if gets the ring when the ring has nothing to do with his role, he has no means of obtaining it besides his one shot which is supposed to be used on gandalf? Why didn't Sauron's role description say what happens if he gets the ring, when he even has an ability that allows him to search for it? You are dead set on scum-hunting via flavor and roles. Last game I played I was a PGO Veteran in a 12-player game. It was so ludicrous that I was practically pegged as scum for that alone. You were in that game and should remember. Scum hunt properly. On September 22 2011 11:58 sandroba wrote: Okay got info from the host himself. Town win con is to eliminte all evil and that includes ALL third party. iGrok's claim is impossible. Sandro, I know for a fact that you have good reads this game, and that you are very very likely town, yet you have almost no thread presence. Assuming iGrok is third party, and assuming a roleblock won't stop the unblockable kill(still haven't anwered this curu), then who should we be hitting. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Your play reminds me so much of scum Ace I don't even know what to say. You're like mini-Ace. Who should we kill tonight. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On September 22 2011 20:09 Radfield wrote: Your play reminds me so much of scum Ace I don't even know what to say. You're like mini-Ace. Who should we kill tonight. Cyber_cheese or Drazerk. Both are directly pushing scum agenda in this game. Problem is that both are capable of playing badly enough to do it as town anyway. Alternatively we can kill chaoser. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
i'm gonna be unavailable for most of day2 because of unforeseen real life obligations .. i'll be here for the rest of night2 and then i'm gonna be back again around 12 hours before deadline day2 sorry about this. igrok, who are you going to shoot tonight to prove to everybody that you're town aligned? and don't hide behind popular vote, you have to shoot a scum to be innocent, you can't just hide behind popular vote, 'cause that hasn't really worked out for town too well so far. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
how the hell is drazerk pushing scum agenda? if he is pushing scum agenda then igrok is clearly scum, why doesn't he appear on your list? | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On September 22 2011 21:04 prplhz wrote: @palmar how the hell is drazerk pushing scum agenda? if he is pushing scum agenda then igrok is clearly scum, why doesn't he appear on your list? because he's the one doing the kill? If we're voting on the NK or at least making cases for it, I'm going with Palmar for reasons that appear in my filter. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
i don't understand that answer. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On September 22 2011 21:10 prplhz wrote: @cyber_cheese i don't understand that answer. iGrok isn't about to use his one shot power to kill himself... | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On September 22 2011 21:04 prplhz wrote: @palmar how the hell is drazerk pushing scum agenda? if he is pushing scum agenda then igrok is clearly scum, why doesn't he appear on your list? he's making stupid calls. he made a claim that's basically unbelievable, and yes i still think iGrok is scum, but sadly he's doing the kill. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
anyway, i'd still like to hear from igrok who he's gonna shoot since i don't think he should just be able to hide behind popular vote. guy needs to contribute if he wants to be considered town. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On September 22 2011 21:15 prplhz wrote: oh lulz i see now anyway, i'd still like to hear from igrok who he's gonna shoot since i don't think he should just be able to hide behind popular vote. guy needs to contribute if he wants to be considered town. Why do you want to hear his kill before he does it? Especially if you are saying that he has to be responsible for the shot himself rather than following town. It'll be clear when the day post comes up who he killed. If necessary he can post it after the deadline but before the post, if you want. All this in the unlikely case that he is what he claims. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On September 22 2011 19:55 Radfield wrote: Partly to see GGQs reaction, but mostly because not everything this game has been going on in thread, as you should be able to tell by the role list so far. There is also no reason to lay out all my reads during the day, as that just clutters and muddies the waters. Fact is, if iGrok is actually third party, then GGQ is most definitely scum. Consider GGQ's contributions this game: Other than cast suspicion on iGrok, he has done nothing but theorycraft and post neutrally. If iGrok is third party and not mafia, which is most likely the case, then GGQ loses his one saving grace(which was medium pressure on potential scum). GGQ went two days without posting and has a total of 4 posts on day 2. The sum total content from those 4 posts is this: and this: If you thought iGrok was so scummy why weren't you pushing him? You pop in, give your opinion, and make no effort do discuss or sway the lynch one way or the other. Read GGQs filter, it won't take long I promise. Exact same thing happened on Day 1, a bunch of posts, obviously around, yet apprx 1 paragraph worth of content. You're obviously around, you're popping in the thread to "defend" yourself, but you still refrain from posting anything useful. Who are you're scum reads, who are you're town reads? You're supposed to be decent yet if you disappeared from this game no one would notice. You need to step it up or die. _______________ Make a case and do some work. You think I'm scum, spell it out then. Filter me, find the scum motivations behind my posting, don't sit back and sling mud. Since your kneejerk scumslip OMGUS on me you have done nothing. You put your vote down on me, and contributed ZERO to the discussion today: You didn't even mention iGrok or Jackal, despite me specifically asking your opinion on them both. The only thing you had to say about Palmar is to write a paragraph explaining why he was a null read, which was just sheeping EXACTLY what i had written several hours earlier. ______ You're right in a way. I'm jumping the gun on GGQ since iGrok very well could still be scum. If that's the case then presumably he actually has done something this game. Not to mention this kind of dictation does nothing for the town. Best way to play this is to treat it as a double lynch: We vote on who we think the best target for the night kill is. This gets everyone down on paper, and encourages discussion during the night: ##Nightkill: Pyo Maybe I should post a shitload of text so I can lead two mislynches like you? Fact is that I'm doing what I can with the time I have. I've made the case on iGrok, it's pretty clear, and the lynch has been deflected two days in a row. It's not my fault that the town is sheeping. Vig iGrok tonight, and we'll be able to move forward tomorrow. We should have a lot to work with when he flips. | ||
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