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I don't know about the lurker policy, this playerlist looks active, and purposeful lurking wll be easily catchable. It's unneccessary and anti-town to make rules on who we can and can't lynch based on such abstract guidelines. ##Vote Varpulis | ||
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On September 01 2011 10:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Can we double lynch the same person on one day? I think it goes with the two highest votes, so there seems to be a bigger politcal element in following lynch candidates. If one person gets 1 votes and the next highest is 1 they both get lynched. | ||
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Holy Priest May Resurrect 1 player from the dead per day. The Resurrected Player will not expire in the manner a zombie does. Coroner Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). Daywalker Lynchproof daykiller - the kill will happen as soon as I get the pm. When a Daywalker uses his kill, he loses the lynchproof power. Pious Man The Pious Man's vote counts twice. You will not know if you are Pious, and your hidden vote will only be reflected in the Lynch Results. Town-person You are a normal person. You only go to church on Christmas and Easter. Necromancer May reanimate a player from the dead. Player becomes a Reanimated Zombie (Veteran in addition to previous Status). If a Necromancer dies, a new scum member becomes a Necromancer. Inhibitor May target any player to block their power and vote. Minion Has a 1-shot power: If a minion targets a player who has no powers, that player will die - regardless of protection. If that player has a power, that player will die, but will be resurrected after 1 day cycle. We should be reading more into the role list we have. This is an extremely odd set-up where lynching and killing is not completely based around eliminating scum. In fact, basing our tactics on that is short-sighted and I mean to remedy this. Dead players create a "pool" of suspects that a coroner can utilize. I am fairly certain we have 1 or 2 coroners, or else the game has a ridiculous set-up. In a way, the first lynch is really important, yet not as cruel with the Resurrection mechanic. We immediately lynch two players, and the coroner(s) must choose between them. I don't see how intentionally misleading roles like millers or sanity can be in this game, so I'm assuming what a coroner get's is 100%. So this is what I'm thinking, and I'm sure I haven't been the first person to speculate. If we have an unlynchable claim, and we put a few votes on him along with someone else we deem scummy, we can economically manage our now chaotic lynching power into something very useful and organized at this point in the game. The priest and coroner can double team the other dead person and hold on to what they get. Most likely the unlynchable will get shot, and the high priest can devote his power in keeping that person alive, while the coroner can go to town, and if mafia ever stop shooting the unlynchable, we get a confirmed town. Its extremely unlikely for mafia to have an unlynchable themselves without town having a direct counter to such shenanigans. Think about it, that one mafia member would have to be shot by the unlynchable, or he wins the game by himself. There are multiple loopholes to this plan, like perhaps a 1 lynch immune mafia that could "prove" himself, or perhaps a mafia watcher who can see who visits a dead person (goodbye priest and coroner :X) Thoughts on this? Also varpulis wagon is hilarious, though I'm not taking my eyes off him, the fact that that many people gunned on him from the little thing I picked up without questioning everything else gives us some great partners for unlynchable if this can follow through. I mean at worst mafia figures out who they can't push a lynch on? Can a High Priest revive the same person more then once? | ||
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On September 01 2011 21:53 Palmar wrote: I don't know what that means to you, but Sandroba is one of the stronger players in this game. Wherebugsgo has the ambition and time, but he's still relatively new. Like, Sandroba is in my "If he's wrong, he's scum" category. It is a compliment, read XLIV, he nailed me role and alignment, but I can't say more then that, figure it out yourself ##Unvote varpulis I still find it likely that varpulis can be scum (redff has made good points), but in the event that he is not, I would look heavily into these people, in order of scuminess IMO. Kenpachi - FoSing redff then voting varp. Every game I reset what I think kenpachi would do as each alignment. In this instance he's given more then he usually does, and it stands out as illogical even for kenpachi. Palmar - For once jumping on a wagon rather then making his own 8 billion reasons. This stands out. redff - Seems completely legitimate, but he is capable of such a ploy as scum. He's bottom tier in this. So Kenpachi > Varp > Palmar > redff. ##Vote Kenpachi | ||
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On September 02 2011 11:41 redFF wrote: im fairly certain that the wagon that started on varp was more caused by me than you bum. if it's so hilarious why is your vote still on it. Your patience astounds me. ASTOUNDS BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS. | ||
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On September 02 2011 11:51 wherebugsgo wrote: This should answer your question, bum, about whether or not players can be repeatedly revived (no, once they die twice they're gone) Okay, so let's go over a couple things... We should only use bum's "plan" when we absolutely HAVE to. As in, in an endgame situation where we can win in 1-2 days by lynching the lynchproof guy and some suspect, then resurrecting the lynchproof, having the coroner check the suspect, and having the lynchproof shoot another suspect after resurrection but before he gets shot by the mafia. Second, I underlined what's really interesting to me. If mafia KP is n/2, and zombies count toward KP, does that mean a townie who is resurrected by a necromancer will count toward mafia KP? i.e. if there are 4 mafia members and 1 town who is resurrected as a zombie, is mafia KP 3? Well, I disagree in utilizing it that late, as an unlynchable confirms himself, forces two bullets which won't be hitting a coroner or a priest. And the zombie thing hmmm, I revoke what I previously said. With two kills, it's better to keep what we want done to who, since a necro can easily zombify the other and start racking up their KP. I'm assuming we won't be told if a player is zombie or not as well. | ||
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On September 02 2011 11:55 redFF wrote: wait so you want to check and revive someone? Waste of a lynch then? It wouldn't be a waste of a lynch, it would technically be a no lynch with a free check and a confirmed unlynchable. But since the unlynchable can only be revived once its better to wait at least one more day. The first two people are going to get revived anyway. You don't think the high priest should revive day 1? | ||
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On September 02 2011 19:12 Palmar wrote: Bumatlarge: I don't like this post, I don't like it at all: ##Unvote varpulis I still find it likely that varpulis can be scum (redff has made good points), but in the event that he is not, I would look heavily into these people, in order of scuminess IMO. This is so weird, if you think it's likely he is scum, why do you feel necessary to coddle up to redFF's arguments, yet try to find some other lurkers, your list almost smells of "Let's make a list of people who are scummy and see which one picks off". Which is basically fishing for town opinion. Thing is, it's ok not thinking Varpulis is scum, like, there's nothing wrong with being wrong, but the way you present this idea is... not something I like. I think you could possibly be a good lynch candidate today. I don't think it smells like that at all. I voted varpulis, same time as redff, then a bunch of people jumped on it, including you, with very little reason. In fact you have very little reason voting me here as well, which is extraordinarily unlike the palmar I know. This has to be the most passive thing I have ever seen you done. If you vote me for reason, you don't go ahead and do the exact same thing yourself. See bolded sentence. And sandroba is just as bad, sayng I haven't been pro-town, when he clearly has not read through my unlynchable idea by thinking the coroner uses his power by day. On September 02 2011 21:00 Sknowman wrote: I don't agree with focusing on the mechanics/roles so much. Yes, it is good to understand them. But mechanic/role analysis is such an easy way for scum to get solid town points, make big posts and derail conversation. That's why we discuss and figure everything out now day 1, where there is little to derail, because day 1 conversations are hard to move. I feel this game should garner the same discussion a PYP game would. The High Priest should use his power everyday I'll explain why. But first we need to ask more green questions I think. There is a lot of stuff we could miss just by ignorance. iGrok, when two revivers (priest or necro) target the same person, is there a precedence given? Also, can you add all questions answered to the last of the OP posts? If it's not too much trouble. I'm fairly certain it will revive according to when the PM is sent, but it will have to be confirmed. IF A HIGH PRIEST CAN RESURRECT A PERSON RATHER THEN THEM BEING A ZOMBIE THEN THAT IS GOOD. Denying zombies will be a key job for the high priest, as a necromancer will not just revive dead teammates but also any townies he can whenever he can. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. Day 1 is where the chances are higher to do this, 50%. I'll gladly take criticism or argue the point. Day1 is usually a mislynch and a double lynch on day 1 is unlikely to be successful. We will undoubtedly lynch a townie, you can't argue that. So resurrect the one you think is town as fast as you can, and hopefully you stop the zombification. Even if they target different people, the zombie does a have a time limit and the resurrected person does not. Most likely mafia will revive the less pro-town of the two, and high priest the more pro-town. Ok now you can yell at me for speculating. There is a lot of WIFOM in this topic as to who would revive who, so please refrain from using that as a counter-point. Also Ace please post I know you figured some stuff out too, probably more then I did. | ||
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On September 02 2011 20:11 Ace wrote: Ace's Journal: Day 1 Entry 2 My guide pointed me into the direction of a forested area on the island of Liquidia. It took me days but clearing most of the woods I have found something interesting. I appear to have stumbled onto some primitive pulpit the commoners refer to as "The Village Square". Evil is afoot, and by god they are trying to find the vermin! How sad it is to see them accuse each other to the death over crumbs, squabbling like rats on a sinking ship. Some of these commoners are even shadier than others. Even worse, some of the jubjubs are saying who they think is surely innocent and the trial just started! Oh dear, I better stick around and see how his turns out. A few of these commoners do have some smarts though. I better pay extra attention to them. ~End~ Nevermind keep posting these, they are fun. I'll think we'll manage just by this input alone Notice how he says jubjubs who say they think soandso is innocent is a bad thing. GEE I WONDER WHY | ||
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On September 03 2011 02:44 jcarlsoniv wrote: From the OP: I agree with the High Priest resurrecting someone everyday. When the Necromancer reanimates a zombie, they count as scum KP. So, if they reanimate a townperson, that will make their KP stronger, and we could very quickly get screwed. The Reanimations die in 3 days, while the Resurrections last til they're killed again. I like you carl, you and me are gonna go places | ||
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the fact that you except kenpachi from the rule of being helpful is awful. I vote kenpachi for being useless, then you call me out in voting him because he is so useless that my vote on him must mean im trying to wagon him? Is there some logic to that I'm missing? also chaos wagon is a go! | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Varpulis | ||
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On September 03 2011 07:01 sandroba wrote: What the fuck is what I say to you. Why are you voting varpulis? Are you even trying to find scum in this thread or do you only care about not being lynched? RedFF your meta argument is shit and too shallow. Explain to me how varpulis is scum in a coherent way and stop spamming he is scum in every single post you make. Of course I will try to save myself, varpulis has been remarkably scummy this game and you're arguments as to why I'm on top of the list are ridiculous. My vote was on whoever I thought was scummiest at all times. On September 01 2011 09:54 Varpulis wrote: I have a proposal, for the purpose of maximizing efficiency with our mandated double lynch. For the first day, maybe the first 2, we lynch a scummy person, one of average activity, and the scummiest lurker. This achieves all of the goals of a day one lynch (lynch somebody who people have given an opinon on and who will give information when/if we see them flip, as per the goal of a normal game), as well as eliminating a lurker. Lurkers are hard to read and dare i say distracting to the town as the game goes on, so i'd like to take advantage of the tools given to us and get rid of them early. As the game continues we will have more information to go on, and the chances of us accurately lynching more than one scum are increased, so we can lynch normally. For someone who thinks they can accuse me for putting my vote where is convenient sure has some nerve to ignore what varpulis is saying here. Obsessing over lurkers is the oldest trick for mafia to appear active. And speculating on the format is necessary. We have to consider it in our lynches since lynches and kills are potentially temporary, and all powers revolve around dead people. On September 02 2011 02:17 Varpulis wrote: ugh. Not only am I still thought of as scum, but you guys are postulating a scumteam? Need i remind you that nothing is learned when i die. I won't flip, you'll have nothing to go on other than assumptions unless a coroner checks me. I'm not going to try to defend myself past this statement: I'm town. If you lynch me, you bring yourselves one step closer to lylo and one step further from winning. If you're deciding upon a scumteam based on who is defending me, you're going to lose this game handily. I'm going to try and reread the thread and find a better lynch than me. Generically trying to put off your death by saying there is no-flip? The bolded sentence refers to everyone, using it as a defense is desperation that early in the day. Varpulis is scum, and don't try to push it off him by trying to scold redff, who posted a very good analysis on varpulis. | ||
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I suggest we lynch ON and sandroba tonight or if im going to get lynched, and redff is alive, i would ask him to check me and confirm me. | ||
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On September 03 2011 10:32 redFF wrote: im secret coroners apprentice, checked varp and sinani both town ressurect sinani plz. Just so we can be clear here redff, you checked both? I believe you, but I know the OP specifically says a corpse. Can you clarify the differences between coroner as it states in the OP and coroner's apprentice? | ||
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On September 04 2011 03:29 wherebugsgo wrote: You guys realize I have 3 votes on me, right? Look at who voted for me. If ON and bum come back and they're scum, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be dead today. We need to lynch chaos and ON, or bum and chaos, or bum and ON. I think the best combination is chaos/ON. Of course, the thing is that if mafia want me dead and I don't get lynched I'll probably just get shot. If these 3 votes don't get pulled off me then mafia RB can easily shift votes off their guy onto a townie. I'll be back in 20 and start filtering posts on my comp (on my phone right now) to verify some of my thoughts real quick You don't need to worry about me voting you, I've never seen you play scum, but you haven't given me any reason to think so. I'm not really concerned about Ace, I'm just hoping he decides to bust out some plan, because if he doesn't soon, he would be some third party. I think he is way to proud to act this way as scum. | ||
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On September 04 2011 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote: Few things here I want to point out. There's a bunch of WIFOM here with respect to bum. For me, personally, looking at everything that's happened today/yesterday and at the vote counts, I give bum a 50/50% shot at flipping mafia. I think sandroba is town, so I value his RB claim (and no one has counter claimed RB) so I think it's very possible that mafia RBed sandroba in order to get fewer votes on bum. Then again, we could very likely have been on the path to lynch 3 townies, so mafia could've just arbitrarily picked sandroba because he appeared to be a definite town, possibly with a power, so they blocked him and created this WIFOM because of sandroba's insistence on lynching bum. bum=? Next, look at the other two people who voted varpulis. Kenpachi and red. They voted together on me as well. I'm thinking their alignments are possibly linked. I give them a strong chance to both flip mafia, or both flip town. I'll get back to them in a sec. The remaining two players I suspect are chaos13 and ON. + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2011 23:58 chaos13 wrote: Oh look, somebody is defending WBG by means of deflecting attention away from his lynch. Not only that, they're doing it by asking someone to ignore an analysis on a player. You know scum, just because it's a no flip game doesn't mean you don't have to put effort in. sinani206 Wherebugsgo sandroba Well, all three of those players are green. I can guarantee you all that. Chaos here attempting to forge a connection between myself and sandroba somehow. Any decent player will know that no such connection exists. He then immediately follows up with this: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2011 00:14 chaos13 wrote: @_@ Good point. Hi Palmar. When immediately called out on his shitty reasoning, he just says "good point" without explicitly acknowledging that he's dead wrong/being misleading about sinani/me/sandroba. Sinani is not scum. Then, doesn't actually question Palmar, doesn't defend himself, doesn't do anything to actually substantiate his arguments. Whenever attention goes to chaos, he brushes it off and tries to go under the radar. This happened day 1 when he got two votes as well; he just completely dismissed the votes and tried getting less attention. I figure he probably knew that trying to defend himself would just expose more of his scumminess. + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote: wat. Mafia can block votes?? brb, re-reading OP Shows a blatant disregard for actually reading the thread/being informed. He then tries to make a case on me for having apparently shitty reasoning/trying to inform the town of game mechanics. So, if he's town, he's completely stupid, which I find rather unlikely. Instead, I find him probably to be mafia, being purposely misleading. No one misses this many things as a dumb townie. + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2011 08:30 chaos13 wrote: What I meant was that I'm leaning town, but I'm not positive of his alignment. In other words if he's scum, he's doing very well. I just stated it somewhat unclearly. Hello Ace. And for the strongest meta argument I've seen ##unvote ##vote Varpulis Here's where he replies to both votes on him day 1, but doesn't really do anything about it, just tries to brush off the votes. 1. He doesn't address Jackal's meta argument. If Jackal had it incorrect, I'd think chaos would've actually responded somehow to it. 2. Chaos acknowledges that Ace has voted him for no reason, but doesn't actually provoke Ace or demand Ace provide reasoning. Just "hello Ace." He then IMMEDIATELY slips into something else, bringing attention away from those votes on himself: + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote: And for the strongest meta argument I've seen ##unvote ##vote Varpulis So, he votes Varpulis for apparently having a shitty meta argument. I'm taking "for the strongest mta argument I've seen" to be sarcasm. Here is Varp's filter: Filter Varpulis-what meta? Either I'm retarded, or Varp never once used meta to accuse anyone of anything. On the other hand, this brings up a great question. Why would chaos vote varp for having a shitty meta argument (when, in fact, he had no meta argument whatsoever) but would not call out Jackal's meta argument against himself? Did he not want attention brought to it? I think so. I think the running theme of chaos13 is "don't bring attention to myself." Don't believe me? Read his filter. Filter Chaos13 Since I get the vibe you don't want attention, chaos, I'm giving it to you. Bring it on, biatch. Finally, ON. I called him out after the voting was closed, right before the daypost, for not changing his vote. He threw away his vote on Kenpachi similar to how chaos had thrown his vote on Palmar prior to voting Varpulis. The only difference is that ON was actually around to change his vote but didn't change. He was aware that his vote didn't matter, and his argument was nonexistent. This is why I voted ON with the intention of getting people's attention away from sinani+varp, who were clearly town. In the 6 hours I was gone though, no one actually paid attention to my argument. He didn't really respond at all to me pointing out that he wasted his vote, and he was even there right before the closure of votes. The problem is that now there is more information to go on and make a case against chaos than there is against ON, since chaos has appeared more scummy in the time that ON has not posted. Here's where I come back to redff and kenpachi. While I think there's a strong chance these guys are linked, I also think that there exists an opposing link between ON and kenpachi. I can't be sure of this, but this is my gut feeling. If ON is mafia, kenpachi is town, and vice versa. HOWEVER, this does not rule out the possibility that there are 4 mafia, or at least 3 mafia and some independent role we need to kill anyway. I am most sure of chaos, ON, redff, kenpachi, bum in that order. Things may change as people post more, but for now I really think the only person who is not going to come off that list is chaos, so I'm going to vote him. ##unvote ##vote chaos13. Also upon reading bum's posts I lean town on him. He's giving me a different vibe than I got in XLIV. It doesn't rule him out of being mafia, just something I feel at this particular juncture. Please everyone read this. I've been tossing over how sandroba can possibly be mafia, but the only way I can see his actions being anti-town is if varpulis was scum (in which redff would have to be, which seems EXTREMELY unlikely), or he is a playing super-manipulative. His actions smell like he knows exactly how he wants this game to go, but I can't find anything anti-town about them. redff can I ask you again exactly how your role is worded that you can check both the lynch targets? If it is exactly how I think you meant it (Coroner dies, you immediately take over and can check all lynch targets) or that there is some extra catch you don't want to share. If it is the latter, you don't need to say exactly what it is, but I find it questionable that the "apprentice" is alot stronger then the original coroner. | ||
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On September 04 2011 06:11 Kenpachi wrote: dunno man, i want to get rid of all 3 of the major lynches right now. i'll decide tmrw. at the end of the day i can see Mafia using their KP on RedFF and Palmar. I will propose to you all to NOT revive Red immediately. Lets revive him later on or force Mafia to revive someone who is valuable to town. Another reason is Mafia's 3rd KP comes from the minion which acts as a free ressurection on blues. Think about it, the longer Red is dead, the more people die and when we really need him, we revive him and check everyone who died (assuming thats how his role works) On September 03 2011 09:42 iGrok wrote: For MORE clarification, Revive powers can only target dead players. If a player is dead for more than one full day, they cannot be Revived again. If a player has been revived once already, they cannot be revived again if killed. | ||
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On September 04 2011 07:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: Hey guys, sorry I've been somewhat inactive today. I've been packing to move into school tomorrow =) I have been keeping up with it though. I'm not confused that he would be able to check either varp or sinani. I am, however, somewhat skeptical that he would be able to check both at the same time. Maybe it works differently in no-flip, but it seems odd. If this is the case, why didn't red check all 5 that died, and then tell us what we lost town-wise. Coroner checks alignment AND role. I doubt that all 5 that died were green. We must have lost something important. And why wouldn't red want to know the roles and alignments of all 5 that died last night? Also, "Coroner's Apprentice" sounds...made up and convenient for him. FoS red I haven't voted yet because I don't like to vote in the first half of the day on principal. I like to watch how things play out for the whole day, and make my decision in the second half. I do find bum pretty suspicious, although I am worried about WIFOM in sandroba's RB. It is entirely possible that the mafia would roleblock one of their own (sandroba) in order to make it seem like bum is scum. I will hold my vote for now, but I will vote early on tomorrow so that there is plenty of time for everyone to see the vote and discuss the situations. They wouldn't block sandroba if he was mafia, they would just not do anything. It's more likely that he would claim that if they didn't have a blocker at all. On September 04 2011 07:05 redFF wrote: im secret coroners apprentice, i can check twice a day. Very nice, though perhaps it might have been better to wait a little later in the day for someone to make an odd claim. I'm not really fearing lynched now, because I'm fairly certain chaos or ON are scum, so it's worth it. Shame redff will probably die tomorrow, alignment seems to be key this game, and I think we can assume redff is the last blue that can check it. Did you get alignment or roles at all as well? | ||
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If redff is scum that can make the claim he did because of some role he has, rather then a blind scum claim, he's going to be much more confidently using his claim to try and control the game. He would have to be absurdly smart if sinani is actually mafia and he couldn't get people off the sinani wagon. In fact I don't see any reason why he would block sandroba and save me rather then sinani, unless sandroba is mafia and they have no blocker? Sandroba + redff seems a very unlikely team with their correlations, but it's possible and the plays they have made would win them the game. if they continued like this. As much fun as this speculation is, it seems rather complicated, but I'll check their posts and be back in a bit. There is definitely something suspicious about redff checking lynches, claiming, and then telling us to revive the lynches rather then the kills which are almost certainly townies. | ||
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Sinani, redff and Sandroba are scum -redff or sandroba has a role that let's them know a coroner died or that there are none left alive -in exchange, there is no roleblocker in the game. -this alone let's mafia safely fakeclaim, and accuse someone heavily based on one of the members being blocked. I do not believe that they intended to do this right after seeing the day 1 results, but seeing sinani lynched instead of me, I think they realized that a pious man had voted on sinani and screwed them over. Sandroba claimed a roleblock to keep me as the lynch for this day, and redff claimed coroner's apprentice to try to persuade the HP to bring back sinani, rather then just zombifying him. HP, DO NOT BRING BACK SINANI. Bring back any other person from that day, preferably a mafia kill. I can back up all this based on these three players behavior. 3 kills went out last night, and as far as I can tell, we don't have non-day vigis. That kills were all low activity posters, and I am fairly certain they were all town. Jackal He put his vote on chaos13 and afk'd apparently, I'm not sure about chaos, but he has reasoning similar to my own, so I don't think this is a heavy link but we'll keep chaos' name in case it pops up. Sknowman Again, very lurkerish, but he put his vote on jcarl, for a single post, then kept it there, even at the end. Just like chaos, I'll keep his name in mind. Drazerk Voted sinani. Why kill these people? I'll tell you, they have little influence upon being resurrected. The deapool to pick from here is extremely limited if you go on just there play in this game. Mafia wants to limit the good choices and leave the priest picking at scraps while the living players are more active and therefore uncheckable. But oh look, to ease the HP's troubled mind, redff comes soaring in and claims he checked TWO people (I have absolutely zero fucking idea why), and you should bring back sinani of the two. I believed him, because the claim was outrageous, a coroner could counterclaim him, and I thought he was inferring that sinani was a blue role of some sort. But Bum, you are probably scum because sandroba said he was RB'd which means you're scum! Which transistions nicely into our next segment... Sandroba I didn't really have too many qualms about this dude, until just before the first day ended, he seemed to be hell bent on finding scum and I was content to take his criticisms on how I start my days with a cup of folgers, and how he would rather prance around when I had few reads aside from varpulis and kenpachi. Until this post. On September 03 2011 06:47 sandroba wrote: Let's not lynch sinani, he is scummy despite alignment and I don't see anything that jumps scum in his posts so far. Let's lynch Bum and ON gogogo consolidate fast. Wow. Late into the day he wants to have a switch from a scummy person onto me with an absurd reason. Needless to say that struck a wrong chord. I told him what the fuck and voted varpulis, my own effort in consolidating votes, because like hell was I going to get lynched instead of varpulis. On September 03 2011 07:01 sandroba wrote: What the fuck is what I say to you. Why are you voting varpulis? Are you even trying to find scum in this thread or do you only care about not being lynched? RedFF your meta argument is shit and too shallow. Explain to me how varpulis is scum in a coherent way and stop spamming he is scum in every single post you make. Sandroba has never voted redff, despite him GUNNING for me when redff have had very similar actions. Sandroba is defending everything redff does, yet even when he sees errors, he ignores them. Sandroba has never considered redff to be scum this entire game. On September 03 2011 07:53 sandroba wrote: The very good analysis you are refering to is basically redFF saying one of the first posts on the thread is non contributory and appearing to be pro-town. He pointed out that he did so as scum in a previous game, in which he got lynched day 1 for it. If you are judging only meta from his very first post, do you really think he would do the same shit again? Or do you think it's more likely that despite the risk of getting lynched he was legimately concerned about spamming/lurking/trolling going on in the recent tl games? On September 03 2011 22:56 sandroba wrote: redFF you are most likely town because now that I think about it there is no way you could know that the coroner is dead and you would risk being insta counter claimed by the real coroner and thus get lynched if you were mafia. That being said please don't make the same mistake again spamming the thread and getting a townie killed. Read wbg defense. Unless he is the master of deceit, he is very unlikely to be mafia. Please put your vote somewhere more productive. That and calling the sinani lynch bad, it makes it pretty clear that sandroba knows something in this game that the rest of us don't. He has persisted in calling any speculation I gave about the set-up anti-town, because he doesn't want us to talk about it. Please don't sheep behind this guy. On September 03 2011 07:58 sandroba wrote: Are you really this blind? If a roleblocker blocks one of the voters and the votes are this close they pretty much get to choose who doesn't get lynched. Oh what? The now the roleblocker comes into play here! It's funny that Jcarl brings up the "more information" tidbit, and you immediately hint that you do indeed have more information. Right here you are GUARANTEEING that scum has a roleblocker, without assessing that perhaps whoever does get saved from a vote will have alot of suspicion thrown upon them? Funny how that doesn't get mentioned when you are trying to push the lynch, but after it's 100% evidence. On September 03 2011 09:53 sandroba wrote: Ace do you think it's possible there is more than 3 mafia? or that mafia has more than 1 extra kp, assuming the 3rd came from them? From a balance stand point we are likely facing 3 mafia, so that means we 100% missed both lynches since the kp did not get reduced. There is no point checking into the lynches, since they are most likely town either way, so maybe check into the nks? I have a pretty good explanation why mafia used the minion shot so early. Bum is the minion. Despite roleblocking me they couldn't be 100% he would've survived because of pious shenanigans. So they decided not to risk losing kp and used it day1. There you go. Case in point. Sinani was the minion most likely. Perhaps they don't even have a necromancer either? Also, sandroba confirms we have a pious who voted sinani. I still find it hard to believe that everything redff has done is intentional. Claiming the apprentice is one thing but then saying he gets two checks seems EXTREMELY odd. I don't understand why he didn't just say sandroba was town, or even that varpulis was scum. His posts don't give me much so until someone else finds anything, I'll keep him secondary to sandroba in my list. Sinani was very self explanatory, and redff did not keep his vote on him when it mattered. redFF needs to be gotten rid of tonight. I highly doubt town will be able to not lynch me, because of what sandroba said, but I'm confident that we can win when two scum are dead. Once we get rid of sandroba, I can guarentee the game will be over. ##Unvote ##Vote redff | ||
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On September 04 2011 11:43 wherebugsgo wrote: If this was explicitly stated in the OP, the answer to my question, as I asked it, would have been one. There's no reason for iGrok to say that roles are incomplete if my question was phrased like this: If the full role description was Coroner Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). You have a maximum of five checks and they may be used at any time Then certainly what redFF has claimed would be believable. If the role is not complete then what CAN we expect? It's dumb to think that we know everything about what a coroner can do when we're just speculating. Of course it is, that's why we aren't. It's INTENTIONALLY IGNORANT to ignore what we are given. I like how you say I'm dealing with shit that holds no weight at the moment when you are arguably doing it as much as I am. I even pointed out to you why I'd prefer a bum/ON lynch over a redFF lynch. In fact, I'll change my vote from ON to bum right now, since I really don't want us to be stuck on 2 votes on a whole bunch of people. ##unvote ##vote bumatlarge Just think about it. There's only two situations that could've happened that would have caused bum to escape lynch. Of varp, sinani, and bum, bum achieved 3 voters first. I don't remember which one of sinani or varp got 3 votes first (it doesn't matter, since bum achieved 3 before either of them) but let's say it was varp. Situation 1: All votes normal, no one gets roleblocked. Bum and varp die by virtue of achieving 3 first. Situation 2: All votes on bum and varp normal. Pious on sinani, no roleblock. Sinani dies with plurality, bum dies thanks to getting 3 before varp. Situation 3: Same as 2, replace varp with sinani and vice versa. Varp dies, bum dies. Situation 4: Some voter on bum gets roleblocked. Sinani and varp die. Situation 5: Pious voters on BOTH varp and sinani. Sinani and varp die. Again, I repeat, the ONLY situation in which bum would've gone untouched by the lynch is if he somehow got uber lucky and pious voters hit both varp and sinani. Otherwise there has to be a roleblock. I excluded the situations in which a pious voter hits bum for obvious reasons. 1-3 are not possible, that didn't happen. Only 4 and 5 matter. Varp had 4 votes. Please open your eyes. Ace is on the right track and the only way we can shut mafia down is taking down all their available routes. From a town perspective that has no influence or role in the game, lynching both myself and redff is the most logical step for town to cover its bases. I understand that I look scummy because a person who voted me claimed he got blocked, I'll accept that half, but to win the game you are eventually going to reach the conclusion that I am not scum, and I find it very unlikelly that redff and sandroba are not. A coroner is dead, we can be sure of that, but it is most defintely not sinani, it has to be one of the other 4, and even if redff does not get lynched, the HP need to try to figure that out. | ||
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On September 04 2011 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote: Shit you're right, I just went back and noticed chaos's vote. -_- I wasn't trying to be insulting about missing the vote, I was saying open your eyes to the general situation. I AM NOT A MEAN PERSON. MISJUDGED. THE AGONY! | ||
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On September 04 2011 12:29 wherebugsgo wrote: Although, I might add that if redFF is indeed mafia it seems rather weird that this bandwagon formed on him so fast. We have another 24 hours, look it over and consider it. If I get lynched, I get lynched, I'm content with the reasoning I gave everyone. | ||
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On September 04 2011 12:37 redFF wrote: k bumatlarge is mafia ##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge this is annoying because really my claim makes sense, all the people that died at night are likely town, the lynches are the alignments that are less obvious and more important to know, since im reserve coroner, of course i will claim after i use my checks because once i do im back to being a vt. revive sinani please even if you do decide to lynch me. everything i've done has made sense. This clinches it, I'm happy to get lynched now if redff gets lynched and sinani does not get revived. | ||
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On September 04 2011 13:27 jcarlsoniv wrote: The only downside to your story is that if sinani was scum, the mafia kp would have been reduced before the night kills went out, so only 2 should have died at night... Does it work like that? I think because there is no night cycle, and day jumps from day1 to day2, mafias kp is what it was before the day ended, since lynches and kills are simultaneous. | ||
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THERE IS NO WAY THAT CAN BE REAL Sandroba just said himself that redff is hiding some aspect. Hopefully someone on redff is pious. Please be try to be diligent townies. Chaos you're saying redff should be lynched asap yet you keep your vote on ON? What is everyone smoking? Please read what I put for sandroba before I most likely get lynched. | ||
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I've already explained my side, and all sandroba has to show I'm scum is a pluralized verb. The fact that iGrok has to come out with the post above mine is credit to people playing extremely poorly this game. After you read the OP read the thread. I checked my list. It had 3 votes. Sandroba is lying. | ||
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On September 06 2011 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote: There are a lot of people in this game that I have never played with. I have experience playing this game. It has been about 6 months since I've played though, and this is the first game of no-flip I have ever played. To this date, there is not a game of forum mafia that I have never been town. I know I have played poorly this game. I know that if you guys really want to lynch me, you can, and that's fine. But I promise you that you will be wasting a lynch. Ace being village idiot makes sense, but do village idiots usually exist in a game this small? Kenpachu being scum wouldn't surprise me, but if he is, its stupid. Lurkers suck. If he turns out to be scum, then the next time he lurks like this and we think he's scum, but he's town, he'll whine about it. What's the point of lurking? So that you can be like "OH LOOK MY TEAM WON" even though you haven't participated to help the win at all? Nobody likes people like that. This is generally what he does, that's why I always jump on him day 1 because generally he won't be helpful. But apparently voting useless people is trying to hide you're vote. | ||
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On September 05 2011 10:25 sandroba wrote: Cool then vote for Ace. I didn't bring up colors as an argument of why he is scum, that was someone else. Check my posting history (and his) to see why bum is scum. Do you think redFF and sinani are both lying? Yes. How do you explain the kp discrepancy from day1 to day2 then? I think this is very big WIFOM. We can assume scum can opt not to shoot a bullet or hit someone twice. Completely disregarding that possibility confirms to me that you have something to hide. How is it possible that we got off 3 ressurections? Do you supose mafia would res sinani and priest res drazerk both knowing the other would probably target the same one most likely? It is likely that the actual priest ressed sinani. You have thrown away countless explanations to push your agenda. Please stop. If you believe their claims that means 100% presence of a roleblocker despite my claim. You can also see that both bum and ON voted redFF last day, so if redFF was mafia roleblocker would totaly save him. Thus by the fact that kp got reduced it means we killed a mafia and by the fact that inhibitor opted to rb me means there were 2 mafia up for lynch, so they had to choose only one to save. Explain this, there was 3 votes on me, I don't see how this confirms a roleblocker in the game. ON had 4 people, I had 3 people and redff had three people. There is no roleblocker, so do not use it in your explanations on how you sinani and redff aren't scum. 1 shot was used I'm convinced. Don't even try to say that you as mafia would not resort to this so you can ride yourself to victory because town will buy whatever claim that comes out of your mouth. | ||
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And my role is green, I'm guessing similar to pious man. I die to minion hits, and I am not a blue. I am not regarded as a power role afaik. | ||
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On September 06 2011 10:25 Jackal58 wrote: What happens if I start farting rainbows? You berated people for looking for things outside of the OP and creating scenarios to fit their imaginings. And now you're creating what if scenarios? Ya you're scum. Typical jackal, as someone who just claimed something that is not in the OP, don't you think berating Ace for something that you are is a bit hypocritical? | ||
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my game ending role Wow this is the first I've heard of this. Mind sharing Ace? | ||
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Mafia has no roleblocker, they could not save redff. You just have to push that that is not the sace because you are scum. 4 scum and no blocker would not surprise me in the slightest. | ||
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On September 06 2011 10:47 Ace wrote: I actually typed it out, but I restrained just in case there really is some Mafia role out there that can do something insane. Also, would double high priests break the set-up? I'm thinking it's completely plausible with what we are seeing so far, since we haven't seen an unlynchable claim or shoot, and there is only one coroner. Losing an HP would really rough up town, and the likelihood of them overlapping is huge. | ||
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On September 06 2011 10:57 sandroba wrote: Really simple: Look at Ace's behaviour and activity day 1 and 2 when he was not up for a lynch. His first big post of the game was when ON and bum (his scum buddies) were up for lynching. Now that he is up for a lynch holy shit HUGE spike in activity and arguing his little heart out. How come you were so uninterested in the game before ace? If you are town (lol) and have this game ending ability you can go ahead and kill me with it (or do w/e you will make up later when things look dire). Known good players sometimes lurk early in the game. It's fairly strong for town when vet does this. He never gets lynched, mafia often opt not to shoot them and they can often come at a time when mafia seems to have a decent stance in the game. Connecting the timing to your two wagons is a scum-based appoach. Everything you have done has been with an intent of making certain individuals out to be scum. A townie doesn't read the thread looking to see if they can make something out to be scummy, they read the thread looking to see if something is actually scummy. You have clearly gone out of your way on whatever I have done to make me appear scummy. You know I won't just flip town and have a bunch of townies focusing on what you were doing. Anyone who filters your posts can see this. On September 05 2011 09:43 sandroba wrote: What the shit HUGE scum slip here. I had not claimed my second roleblock yet, but somehow my rb claims are plural. lol nice You were way to obvious with this post.You know I know you're lying about the roleblocks, so you have to get rid of me. Understandable scum. | ||
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On September 06 2011 15:12 Ace wrote: Just running through the scenario even in the case of redFF and Sinani being town, sandroba being Scum jumps out. What was all of that about sandroba being role blocked confirming him as Town again? He claimed roleblock so he must be town. There is no way in this closed set-up that could possibly explain a lynch result contrary to what we counted on our fingers from votes. | ||
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