Resurrection Mafia

Holy Priest
May Resurrect 1 player from the dead per day. The Resurrected Player will not expire in the manner a zombie does.

Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm).

Daywalker
Lynchproof daykiller - the kill will happen as soon as I get the pm. When a Daywalker uses his kill, he loses the lynchproof power.

Pious Man
The Pious Man's vote counts twice. You will not know if you are Pious, and your hidden vote will only be reflected in the Lynch Results.

Town-person
You are a normal person. You only go to church on Christmas and Easter.

Necromancer
May reanimate a player from the dead. Player becomes a Reanimated Zombie (Veteran in addition to previous Status). If a Necromancer dies, a new scum member becomes a Necromancer.

Inhibitor
May target any player to block their power and vote.

Minion
Has a 1-shot power: If a minion targets a player who has no powers, that player will die - regardless of protection. If that player has a power, that player will die, but will be resurrected after 1 day cycle.

On September 01 2011 21:53 Palmar wrote:


I don't know what that means to you, but Sandroba is one of the stronger players in this game. Wherebugsgo has the ambition and time, but he's still relatively new.

Like, Sandroba is in my "If he's wrong, he's scum" category.

On September 02 2011 11:41 redFF wrote:
im fairly certain that the wagon that started on varp was more caused by me than you bum. if it's so hilarious why is your vote still on it.

On September 02 2011 11:51 wherebugsgo wrote:


This should answer your question, bum, about whether or not players can be repeatedly revived (no, once they die twice they're gone)

Okay, so let's go over a couple things...

We should only use bum's "plan" when we absolutely HAVE to. As in, in an endgame situation where we can win in 1-2 days by lynching the lynchproof guy and some suspect, then resurrecting the lynchproof, having the coroner check the suspect, and having the lynchproof shoot another suspect after resurrection but before he gets shot by the mafia.

Second, I underlined what's really interesting to me. If mafia KP is n/2, and zombies count toward KP, does that mean a townie who is resurrected by a necromancer will count toward mafia KP? i.e. if there are 4 mafia members and 1 town who is resurrected as a zombie, is mafia KP 3?

On September 02 2011 11:55 redFF wrote:
wait so you want to check and revive someone? Waste of a lynch then?

On September 02 2011 19:12 Palmar wrote:
Bumatlarge:

I don't like this post, I don't like it at all:

##Unvote varpulis

I still find it likely that varpulis can be scum (redff has made good points), but in the event that he is not, I would look heavily into these people, in order of scuminess IMO.


This is so weird, if you think it's likely he is scum, why do you feel necessary to coddle up to redFF's arguments, yet try to find some other lurkers, your list almost smells of "Let's make a list of people who are scummy and see which one picks off". Which is basically fishing for town opinion.

Thing is, it's ok not thinking Varpulis is scum, like, there's nothing wrong with being wrong, but the way you present this idea is... not something I like. I think you could possibly be a good lynch candidate today.

On September 02 2011 21:00 Sknowman wrote:
I don't agree with focusing on the mechanics/roles so much. Yes, it is good to understand them. But mechanic/role analysis is such an easy way for scum to get solid town points, make big posts and derail conversation.

On September 02 2011 20:11 Ace wrote:
Ace's Journal: Day 1 Entry 2

My guide pointed me into the direction of a forested area on the island of Liquidia. It took me days but clearing most of the woods I have found something interesting. I appear to have stumbled onto some primitive pulpit the commoners refer to as "The Village Square". Evil is afoot, and by god they are trying to find the vermin! How sad it is to see them accuse each other to the death over crumbs, squabbling like rats on a sinking ship. Some of these commoners are even shadier than others. Even worse, some of the jubjubs are saying who they think is surely innocent and the trial just started! Oh dear, I better stick around and see how his turns out. A few of these commoners do have some smarts though. I better pay extra attention to them.

On September 03 2011 02:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:



From the OP:



I agree with the High Priest resurrecting someone everyday. When the Necromancer reanimates a zombie, they count as scum KP. So, if they reanimate a townperson, that will make their KP stronger, and we could very quickly get screwed. The Reanimations die in 3 days, while the Resurrections last til they're killed again.

On September 03 2011 07:01 sandroba wrote:

What the fuck is what I say to you. Why are you voting varpulis? Are you even trying to find scum in this thread or do you only care about not being lynched?
RedFF your meta argument is shit and too shallow. Explain to me how varpulis is scum in a coherent way and stop spamming he is scum in every single post you make.

On September 01 2011 09:54 Varpulis wrote:
I have a proposal, for the purpose of maximizing efficiency with our mandated double lynch. For the first day, maybe the first 2, we lynch a scummy person, one of average activity, and the scummiest lurker.

This achieves all of the goals of a day one lynch (lynch somebody who people have given an opinon on and who will give information when/if we see them flip, as per the goal of a normal game), as well as eliminating a lurker.

Lurkers are hard to read and dare i say distracting to the town as the game goes on, so i'd like to take advantage of the tools given to us and get rid of them early.

As the game continues we will have more information to go on, and the chances of us accurately lynching more than one scum are increased, so we can lynch normally.

On September 02 2011 02:17 Varpulis wrote:
ugh. Not only am I still thought of as scum, but you guys are postulating a scumteam? Need i remind you that nothing is learned when i die. I won't flip, you'll have nothing to go on other than assumptions unless a coroner checks me.

I'm not going to try to defend myself past this statement: I'm town. If you lynch me, you bring yourselves one step closer to lylo and one step further from winning. If you're deciding upon a scumteam based on who is defending me, you're going to lose this game handily.

I'm going to try and reread the thread and find a better lynch than me.

On September 03 2011 10:32 redFF wrote:
im secret coroners apprentice, checked varp and sinani both town ressurect sinani plz.

On September 04 2011 03:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
You guys realize I have 3 votes on me, right? Look at who voted for me. If ON and bum come back and they're scum, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be dead today.

We need to lynch chaos and ON, or bum and chaos, or bum and ON. I think the best combination is chaos/ON.

Of course, the thing is that if mafia want me dead and I don't get lynched I'll probably just get shot. If these 3 votes don't get pulled off me then mafia RB can easily shift votes off their guy onto a townie.

I'll be back in 20 and start filtering posts on my comp (on my phone right now) to verify some of my thoughts real quick

On September 04 2011 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:



Few things here I want to point out. There's a bunch of WIFOM here with respect to bum. For me, personally, looking at everything that's happened today/yesterday and at the vote counts, I give bum a 50/50% shot at flipping mafia. I think sandroba is town, so I value his RB claim (and no one has counter claimed RB) so I think it's very possible that mafia RBed sandroba in order to get fewer votes on bum. Then again, we could very likely have been on the path to lynch 3 townies, so mafia could've just arbitrarily picked sandroba because he appeared to be a definite town, possibly with a power, so they blocked him and created this WIFOM because of sandroba's insistence on lynching bum.

bum=?

Next, look at the other two people who voted varpulis. Kenpachi and red. They voted together on me as well. I'm thinking their alignments are possibly linked. I give them a strong chance to both flip mafia, or both flip town. I'll get back to them in a sec.

The remaining two players I suspect are chaos13 and ON.

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Well, all three of those players are green. I can guarantee you all that.

Chaos here attempting to forge a connection between myself and sandroba somehow. Any decent player will know that no such connection exists. He then immediately follows up with this:

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When immediately called out on his shitty reasoning, he just says "good point" without explicitly acknowledging that he's dead wrong/being misleading about sinani/me/sandroba. Sinani is not scum.

Then, doesn't actually question Palmar, doesn't defend himself, doesn't do anything to actually substantiate his arguments. Whenever attention goes to chaos, he brushes it off and tries to go under the radar. This happened day 1 when he got two votes as well; he just completely dismissed the votes and tried getting less attention. I figure he probably knew that trying to defend himself would just expose more of his scumminess.

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Shows a blatant disregard for actually reading the thread/being informed.

He then tries to make a case on me for having apparently shitty reasoning/trying to inform the town of game mechanics. So, if he's town, he's completely stupid, which I find rather unlikely. Instead, I find him probably to be mafia, being purposely misleading. No one misses this many things as a dumb townie.

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Here's where he replies to both votes on him day 1, but doesn't really do anything about it, just tries to brush off the votes.

1. He doesn't address Jackal's meta argument. If Jackal had it incorrect, I'd think chaos would've actually responded somehow to it.
2. Chaos acknowledges that Ace has voted him for no reason, but doesn't actually provoke Ace or demand Ace provide reasoning. Just "hello Ace."

He then IMMEDIATELY slips into something else, bringing attention away from those votes on himself:

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So, he votes Varpulis for apparently having a shitty meta argument. I'm taking "for the strongest mta argument I've seen" to be sarcasm.

Here is Varp's filter:

Filter Varpulis-what meta?

Either I'm retarded, or Varp never once used meta to accuse anyone of anything.

On the other hand, this brings up a great question. Why would chaos vote varp for having a shitty meta argument (when, in fact, he had no meta argument whatsoever) but would not call out Jackal's meta argument against himself? Did he not want attention brought to it?

I think so. I think the running theme of chaos13 is "don't bring attention to myself."

Don't believe me? Read his filter. Filter Chaos13 Since I get the vibe you don't want attention, chaos, I'm giving it to you. Bring it on, biatch.

Finally, ON. I called him out after the voting was closed, right before the daypost, for not changing his vote. He threw away his vote on Kenpachi similar to how chaos had thrown his vote on Palmar prior to voting Varpulis. The only difference is that ON was actually around to change his vote but didn't change. He was aware that his vote didn't matter, and his argument was nonexistent. This is why I voted ON with the intention of getting people's attention away from sinani+varp, who were clearly town. In the 6 hours I was gone though, no one actually paid attention to my argument.

He didn't really respond at all to me pointing out that he wasted his vote, and he was even there right before the closure of votes. The problem is that now there is more information to go on and make a case against chaos than there is against ON, since chaos has appeared more scummy in the time that ON has not posted.

Here's where I come back to redff and kenpachi. While I think there's a strong chance these guys are linked, I also think that there exists an opposing link between ON and kenpachi. I can't be sure of this, but this is my gut feeling. If ON is mafia, kenpachi is town, and vice versa.

HOWEVER, this does not rule out the possibility that there are 4 mafia, or at least 3 mafia and some independent role we need to kill anyway. I am most sure of chaos, ON, redff, kenpachi, bum in that order. Things may change as people post more, but for now I really think the only person who is not going to come off that list is chaos, so I'm going to vote him.

##unvote
##vote chaos13.

Also upon reading bum's posts I lean town on him. He's giving me a different vibe than I got in XLIV. It doesn't rule him out of being mafia, just something I feel at this particular juncture.

On September 04 2011 06:11 Kenpachi wrote:
dunno man, i want to get rid of all 3 of the major lynches right now. i'll decide tmrw.

at the end of the day i can see Mafia using their KP on RedFF and Palmar. I will propose to you all to NOT revive Red immediately. Lets revive him later on or force Mafia to revive someone who is valuable to town. Another reason is Mafia's 3rd KP comes from the minion which acts as a free ressurection on blues. Think about it, the longer Red is dead, the more people die and when we really need him, we revive him and check everyone who died (assuming thats how his role works)

On September 04 2011 07:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I've been somewhat inactive today. I've been packing to move into school tomorrow =) I have been keeping up with it though.




I'm not confused that he would be able to check either varp or sinani. I am, however, somewhat skeptical that he would be able to check both at the same time. Maybe it works differently in no-flip, but it seems odd. If this is the case, why didn't red check all 5 that died, and then tell us what we lost town-wise. Coroner checks alignment AND role. I doubt that all 5 that died were green. We must have lost something important. And why wouldn't red want to know the roles and alignments of all 5 that died last night? Also, "Coroner's Apprentice" sounds...made up and convenient for him. FoS red




I haven't voted yet because I don't like to vote in the first half of the day on principal. I like to watch how things play out for the whole day, and make my decision in the second half. I do find bum pretty suspicious, although I am worried about WIFOM in sandroba's RB. It is entirely possible that the mafia would roleblock one of their own (sandroba) in order to make it seem like bum is scum.

I will hold my vote for now, but I will vote early on tomorrow so that there is plenty of time for everyone to see the vote and discuss the situations.

On September 04 2011 07:05 redFF wrote:
im secret coroners apprentice, i can check twice a day.

On September 03 2011 06:47 sandroba wrote:
Let's not lynch sinani, he is scummy despite alignment and I don't see anything that jumps scum in his posts so far. Let's lynch Bum and ON gogogo consolidate fast.

On September 03 2011 07:01 sandroba wrote:

What the fuck is what I say to you. Why are you voting varpulis? Are you even trying to find scum in this thread or do you only care about not being lynched?
RedFF your meta argument is shit and too shallow. Explain to me how varpulis is scum in a coherent way and stop spamming he is scum in every single post you make.

On September 03 2011 07:53 sandroba wrote:
The very good analysis you are refering to is basically redFF saying one of the first posts on the thread is non contributory and appearing to be pro-town. He pointed out that he did so as scum in a previous game, in which he got lynched day 1 for it. If you are judging only meta from his very first post, do you really think he would do the same shit again? Or do you think it's more likely that despite the risk of getting lynched he was legimately concerned about spamming/lurking/trolling going on in the recent tl games?

On September 03 2011 22:56 sandroba wrote:
redFF you are most likely town because now that I think about it there is no way you could know that the coroner is dead and you would risk being insta counter claimed by the real coroner and thus get lynched if you were mafia. That being said please don't make the same mistake again spamming the thread and getting a townie killed. Read wbg defense. Unless he is the master of deceit, he is very unlikely to be mafia. Please put your vote somewhere more productive.

On September 03 2011 07:58 sandroba wrote:

Are you really this blind? If a roleblocker blocks one of the voters and the votes are this close they pretty much get to choose who doesn't get lynched.

On September 03 2011 09:53 sandroba wrote:
Ace do you think it's possible there is more than 3 mafia? or that mafia has more than 1 extra kp, assuming the 3rd came from them? From a balance stand point we are likely facing 3 mafia, so that means we 100% missed both lynches since the kp did not get reduced. There is no point checking into the lynches, since they are most likely town either way, so maybe check into the nks?

I have a pretty good explanation why mafia used the minion shot so early. Bum is the minion. Despite roleblocking me they couldn't be 100% he would've survived because of pious shenanigans. So they decided not to risk losing kp and used it day1. There you go.

On September 04 2011 11:43 wherebugsgo wrote:


If this was explicitly stated in the OP, the answer to my question, as I asked it, would have been one. There's no reason for iGrok to say that roles are incomplete if my question was phrased like this:



If the full role description was

Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). You have a maximum of five checks and they may be used at any time

Then certainly what redFF has claimed would be believable. If the role is not complete then what CAN we expect? It's dumb to think that we know everything about what a coroner can do when we're just speculating.

I like how you say I'm dealing with shit that holds no weight at the moment when you are arguably doing it as much as I am.

I even pointed out to you why I'd prefer a bum/ON lynch over a redFF lynch. In fact, I'll change my vote from ON to bum right now, since I really don't want us to be stuck on 2 votes on a whole bunch of people.

##unvote
##vote bumatlarge

Just think about it. There's only two situations that could've happened that would have caused bum to escape lynch.

Of varp, sinani, and bum, bum achieved 3 voters first. I don't remember which one of sinani or varp got 3 votes first (it doesn't matter, since bum achieved 3 before either of them) but let's say it was varp.

Situation 1: All votes normal, no one gets roleblocked. Bum and varp die by virtue of achieving 3 first.

Situation 2: All votes on bum and varp normal. Pious on sinani, no roleblock. Sinani dies with plurality, bum dies thanks to getting 3 before varp.

Situation 3: Same as 2, replace varp with sinani and vice versa. Varp dies, bum dies.

Situation 4: Some voter on bum gets roleblocked. Sinani and varp die.

Situation 5: Pious voters on BOTH varp and sinani. Sinani and varp die.

Again, I repeat, the ONLY situation in which bum would've gone untouched by the lynch is if he somehow got uber lucky and pious voters hit both varp and sinani. Otherwise there has to be a roleblock. I excluded the situations in which a pious voter hits bum for obvious reasons. 1-3 are not possible, that didn't happen. Only 4 and 5 matter.

On September 04 2011 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote:


Shit you're right, I just went back and noticed chaos's vote.

-_-

On September 04 2011 12:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
Although, I might add that if redFF is indeed mafia it seems rather weird that this bandwagon formed on him so fast.

On September 04 2011 12:37 redFF wrote:
k bumatlarge is mafia


##Unvote
##Vote bumatlarge

this is annoying because really my claim makes sense, all the people that died at night are likely town, the lynches are the alignments that are less obvious and more important to know, since im reserve coroner, of course i will claim after i use my checks because once i do im back to being a vt. revive sinani please even if you do decide to lynch me. everything i've done has made sense.

On September 04 2011 13:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
The only downside to your story is that if sinani was scum, the mafia kp would have been reduced before the night kills went out, so only 2 should have died at night...

On September 06 2011 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
There are a lot of people in this game that I have never played with. I have experience playing this game. It has been about 6 months since I've played though, and this is the first game of no-flip I have ever played. To this date, there is not a game of forum mafia that I have never been town.

I know I have played poorly this game. I know that if you guys really want to lynch me, you can, and that's fine. But I promise you that you will be wasting a lynch.

Ace being village idiot makes sense, but do village idiots usually exist in a game this small?

Kenpachu being scum wouldn't surprise me, but if he is, its stupid. Lurkers suck. If he turns out to be scum, then the next time he lurks like this and we think he's scum, but he's town, he'll whine about it. What's the point of lurking? So that you can be like "OH LOOK MY TEAM WON" even though you haven't participated to help the win at all? Nobody likes people like that.

On September 05 2011 10:25 sandroba wrote:

Cool then vote for Ace. I didn't bring up colors as an argument of why he is scum, that was someone else. Check my posting history (and his) to see why bum is scum. Do you think redFF and sinani are both lying?

How do you explain the kp discrepancy from day1 to day2 then?

How is it possible that we got off 3 ressurections? Do you supose mafia would res sinani and priest res drazerk both knowing the other would probably target the same one most likely?

If you believe their claims that means 100% presence of a roleblocker despite my claim. You can also see that both bum and ON voted redFF last day, so if redFF was mafia roleblocker would totaly save him. Thus by the fact that kp got reduced it means we killed a mafia and by the fact that inhibitor opted to rb me means there were 2 mafia up for lynch, so they had to choose only one to save.

On September 06 2011 10:25 Jackal58 wrote:

What happens if I start farting rainbows? You berated people for looking for things outside of the OP and creating scenarios to fit their imaginings.
And now you're creating what if scenarios?
Ya you're scum.

my game ending role

On September 06 2011 10:47 Ace wrote:


I actually typed it out, but I restrained just in case there really is some Mafia role out there that can do something insane.

On September 06 2011 10:57 sandroba wrote:


Really simple: Look at Ace's behaviour and activity day 1 and 2 when he was not up for a lynch. His first big post of the game was when ON and bum (his scum buddies) were up for lynching. Now that he is up for a lynch holy shit HUGE spike in activity and arguing his little heart out. How come you were so uninterested in the game before ace? If you are town (lol) and have this game ending ability you can go ahead and kill me with it (or do w/e you will make up later when things look dire).

On September 05 2011 09:43 sandroba wrote:


What the shit HUGE scum slip here. I had not claimed my second roleblock yet, but somehow my rb claims are plural. lol nice

On September 06 2011 15:12 Ace wrote:
Just running through the scenario even in the case of redFF and Sinani being town, sandroba being Scum jumps out.

What was all of that about sandroba being role blocked confirming him as Town again?