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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
August 20 2011 16:38 GMT
#421
On August 21 2011 01:34 Palmar wrote:
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On August 21 2011 01:23 BrownBear wrote:
Lol Palmar? Keep trying to twist my words bro, it's getting you nowhere. You have no credibility with town right now, and you really only have yourself to blame.

Just give it up. Your crusade against bears has failed.

Switching my vote to Sevryn because that deadline's looming, and he's got the most votes right now.


I'm not giving it up when I think I'm right.


Tunnelling is your main weakness, dude. You need to learn to occasionally think outside the box.
SUNSFANNED
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 20 2011 16:38 GMT
#422
I want to lynch Sevryn. Lack of defense, disappearing, trying to silently bandwagon, afraid of light.
Unvoting Navillus and voting Sevryn.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 20 2011 16:41 GMT
#423
Where the fuck is Mig, are you scum this game too?
Computer says mafia
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 20 2011 16:50 GMT
#424
Kurumi scares me atm.

I like it.
wat
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 20 2011 16:55 GMT
#425
3 hours left, am I right?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 20 2011 16:58 GMT
#426
On August 21 2011 01:38 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 01:34 Palmar wrote:
On August 21 2011 01:23 BrownBear wrote:
Lol Palmar? Keep trying to twist my words bro, it's getting you nowhere. You have no credibility with town right now, and you really only have yourself to blame.

Just give it up. Your crusade against bears has failed.

Switching my vote to Sevryn because that deadline's looming, and he's got the most votes right now.


I'm not giving it up when I think I'm right.


Tunnelling is your main weakness, dude. You need to learn to occasionally think outside the box.


Is it your firm belief that Sevryn will flip red?
Computer says mafia
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 20 2011 17:06 GMT
#427
On August 20 2011 22:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 22:05 Erandorr wrote:
On August 20 2011 11:11 Palmar wrote:
Anyone who thinks I'm promoting pro-mafia atmosphere needs to have his head checked. I took this thread and turned it from discussing vague plans and policies to a full-out scumhunting festival.


No Palmar, I do not want to blame you excusivly , but look at what this thread is looking like right now. You want either DB or BB dead depending on who is disagreeing with you more (and I do not think either of them are completely certainly Scum)
Other then that , right now basicly everyone seems to have their target but I am actually getting a bit scared that we will not get our shit together until the first night is there.


no worries, we will. If you think I'm scum, vote for me, if not, go hunt scum instead of posting passively about your concerns for town safety.


Okay I think we actually will now but not thanks to you at all.
Sevryn is scum, the reasons why have been stated a lot already.
I do not buy your bearhunt, and although I dislike the way your argumentation works, I do not think you are the best vote right now either.
Sure these two said some questionable things , but in the end others said things that were far worse and both defended themselves rather well , or at least they did it at all.
I need to see more from Mig to decide one way or another, he too made a good case for himself.

Nard , xtfftc seem very scummy as well, but right now Sevryn is the safest bet, especially if we want to get something done.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 20 2011 17:22 GMT
#428
what the fuck do you mean by safest bet?

Do you believe that he will flip scum Erandorr, are you completely sure he's red?
Computer says mafia
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 20 2011 17:25 GMT
#429
I'm switching to Sevryn. He's more likely scum than Palmar at the moment, and I notice that the only people defending him are being SUPER careful not so seem like they are.
On August 20 2011 16:35 Foolishness wrote:
I would also like to beg to differ that I'm "defending" him. I'm not convinced yet that he's mafia, and I stated why I think that. Thus I'd rather take the wait and see approach. As I somewhat said, he's already got a few strikes; if he doesn't shape up then we kill him. Just because I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt right now does not mean I am defending him. I don't defend other people, I state why or how their actions could be misconstrued.


On August 20 2011 08:41 supersoft wrote:
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On August 20 2011 08:01 Curu wrote:
Wanna see worse scum logic? Town voting someone to sheep, then unvoting when called out for it cause he "doesn't want to get lynched."


hmm, sevryns behavior had something innocent in my eyes i don't know... Somehow I tend to buy that story...
I mean the whole thing started like that: Basic situation:
He knew Palmar from former games; and we all know that palmar played some good games for town recently - Palmar accuses DB; I jump on that wagon but declare it as a pressurevote. Varp shows up, says pressurevotes only work if you don't say it's a pressurevote (i 75% agree with that statement)
Now the poor sevryn sees all this: he also wants to contribute something by pressurevoting, so he fakes his reason and follows varps advice and gets caught immediately...
However that doesn't mean he's town.

If he flips scum i know who to look at next, which makes this a very good lynch. It provides information and has a good a shot as any at getting scum.


Why he's scummy has been covered before, but in short, he made an absolutely bullshit vote then called it pressure when he got called out for it: + Show Spoiler [quotes] +
On August 19 2011 23:39 Sevryn wrote:
Right now DB is looking the scummiest imo and after what palmar did in Swedish house mafia I am inclined to trust him. That said if there is a good case against anyone else i would be willing to give DropBear another lookskie
## vote DropBear

sheeping vote and trusting Palmar unconditionally
On August 20 2011 00:56 Sevryn wrote:
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On August 20 2011 00:30 Curu wrote:
Naw

Thanks for drawing Sevyrn out though.

So Sevyrn, because Palmar was a Townie in a completely different game, you decide to trust him and sheep his vote blindly?

His play was basicly them same in that game so I'm inclined to belive him do you have a better target?

defending his sheeping vote
On August 20 2011 03:06 Sevryn wrote:
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On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:
OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear".

On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:
you guys are fucking lazy and boring.

Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan.

Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time.

Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682

He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way.

SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM

The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2?

I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.



On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:
On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?

##Vote DropBear


i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people.
Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad.

##Vote DropBear

and before anyone jumps on me like:
"wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum.

My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm".

How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel?

What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway.



Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game.

backing out of his vote, calling it pressure, and defending his bullshit by saying it was intentional.


And now he's lurking hardcore. verdict: SCUM

##vote sevryn

+ Show Spoiler +
also his name is fucking impossible to spell
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 20 2011 17:26 GMT
#430
chances of sevryn flipping scum: ~0.2%
Computer says mafia
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 20 2011 17:26 GMT
#431
LOOK AT THIS. THAT IS THE SCUMMIEST VOTE REASON ANYONE HAS EVER SEEN IN THE ETERNITY OF ANYTHING. That is an EVEN scummier unvote reason. He wants to leave his vote uselessly somewhere. Then replies that he knew it was useless, but he's unvoting because he doesn't want us to lynch him.

Yeah his reasons are pretty stupid. Guess what: townies are usually way more stupid than mafia.

Sevryn seems like a shitty lynch to me. Sux that it's the only realistic one at the moment.

Voting BB for now, at least he has a proper case against him.
Bartundar
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 20 2011 17:28 GMT
#432
On August 21 2011 02:26 Palmar wrote:
chances of sevryn flipping scum: ~0.2%


You seem awfully certain. You redFFing bro?
wat
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
August 20 2011 17:28 GMT
#433
Apologies for derailing the thread to answer posts made much earlier but I was busy all day.

On August 20 2011 07:53 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 05:09 xtfftc wrote:
##Vote: Palmar

He obviously had something in mind and there's no way he wasn't aware of how his accusations would be perceived by the rest of us.

However, his strategy hasn't benefited town by now. He has until the deadline to convince me to vote DropBear or BrownBear. If nothing meaningful comes out of the discussion initiated by him, I'd rather have one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around.

I'd also like to point out that it shouldn't be that difficult to convince me to switch to DropBear, considering DropBear's behaviour.


ah, okay I understand, you vote for palmar, not because you think he's scum, but because he didn't convince you to vote for DB. This is scumlogic. Town doesn't vote people for playing bad. Town votes for scum.

Compared to DP, who proposed some really useless plans like this unnecessary mayorthing, your stuff seems more scummy to me.

##unvote
##vote: xtfftc

What is it that you don't understand? Palmar has a very agressive opening strategy and, by the time of my vote, there was no better target. Am I convinced that Palmar is Mafia? Nope. He was just the best candidate for a lynch.
There is more to my post though. I acknowledged the fact that Palmar is not just randmoly trolling but has an actual strategy. Some people don't agree with me+ Show Spoiler +
On August 20 2011 11:17 Varpulis wrote:
##vote palmar

filter his posts. Now tell me if a single one is productive and helpful. He blindly tunnels DropBear based on meta (i think, it's such a terrible accusation though that it's not worth trying to figure out), then calls everybody who disagrees with him scum.
and + Show Spoiler +
On August 20 2011 11:18 Varpulis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 11:11 Palmar wrote:
Anyone who thinks I'm promoting pro-mafia atmosphere needs to have his head checked. I took this thread and turned it from discussing vague plans and policies to a full-out scumhunting festival.
by calling dropbear scum 20 times in a row?
but I think they haven't paid enough attention to what Palmar did. I liked the way he kept attacking DropBear, while at the same time his goal obviously was to analyse the reactions of those who defend him.

Also,
On August 20 2011 09:57 Foolishness wrote:
he just played two games as mafia recently: Personality and PTP2. Both games he attempted to be normal and blend in; there wasn't any of this odd posting. I don't think he would radically change his style like this if he was mafia again.

On August 20 2011 11:25 Foolishness wrote:
If Palmar is mafia he's on drugs.

Or he is deliberately changing his strategy because he knows how much people here rely on the meta game. Seriously, is this all you do? We are supposed to be playing mind games here; not judge solely on what people did last time.


On August 20 2011 22:38 supersoft wrote:
Lucidity
ghrur is now Barundar
Jackal58
xtfftc
hiro protagonist
Erandorr
darkponcho
Vain
chaoser
GreYMisT
nard
Sevryn
Pyo
Kurumi
DropBear

these guys haven't voted yet. Since not all of you can possibly be scum, I encourage you to vote in the next 2-3 hours, so we can see who the maintargets are.
It has been said many times before in this thread: A no lynch would be very bad.


Please don't do any more lists. You voted for me as a response to my vote for Palmar - and then you put me on a list of people who haven't voted. I do believe that this is a honest mistake and you didn't try to manipulate anyone with it but it is sloppy nevertheless.


I will answer to QuickSilver in a separate post because this one is long enough anyway.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 20 2011 17:31 GMT
#434
On August 21 2011 02:28 Curu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 02:26 Palmar wrote:
chances of sevryn flipping scum: ~0.2%


You seem awfully certain. You redFFing bro?


I'm pretty amazed that you don't see this, because normally your town play is relatively solid and your reads good.
Computer says mafia
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 20 2011 17:31 GMT
#435
Hi xtffffffffffffc, what's your opinion on Sevyrn?
wat
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 20 2011 17:33 GMT
#436
On August 21 2011 02:22 Palmar wrote:
what the fuck do you mean by safest bet?

Do you believe that he will flip scum Erandorr, are you completely sure he's red?


Well how would I be completely sure?
Out of those people accused I do think that he is the best target, that is what I mean by safest bet.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 20 2011 17:35 GMT
#437
On August 21 2011 02:31 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 02:28 Curu wrote:
On August 21 2011 02:26 Palmar wrote:
chances of sevryn flipping scum: ~0.2%


You seem awfully certain. You redFFing bro?


I'm pretty amazed that you don't see this, because normally your town play is relatively solid and your reads good.


I see Sevyrn being scummy as all hell. His past games as Town he's looked scummy too, but in a different way. He's not afraid to put his vote on someone and keep it there unless someone brings up a better case against someone else. He defends his vote and attacks people who call his vote a sheep or bandwagon (him vs Lucidity in Kurumi's game).

Here he's retracted his vote altogether, not made enemies with anyone calling him out for scuminess and disappeared forever.

How do you not see this?
wat
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 20 2011 17:37 GMT
#438
On August 21 2011 02:35 Curu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 02:31 Palmar wrote:
On August 21 2011 02:28 Curu wrote:
On August 21 2011 02:26 Palmar wrote:
chances of sevryn flipping scum: ~0.2%


You seem awfully certain. You redFFing bro?


I'm pretty amazed that you don't see this, because normally your town play is relatively solid and your reads good.


I see Sevyrn being scummy as all hell. His past games as Town he's looked scummy too, but in a different way. He's not afraid to put his vote on someone and keep it there unless someone brings up a better case against someone else. He defends his vote and attacks people who call his vote a sheep or bandwagon (him vs Lucidity in Kurumi's game).

Here he's retracted his vote altogether, not made enemies with anyone calling him out for scuminess and disappeared forever.

How do you not see this?


Do you not find it surprising that there are no alternative lynches? Do you think the scum team is full out bussing him?

Computer says mafia
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 20 2011 17:45 GMT
#439
I see two or three full pages of people trying to push your lynch instead. I see a couple of people kind-of-but-not-really soft defending him.

Sevyrn is radioactive and any scum buddies wouldn't openly defend him with a 10 foot stick. If not for the fact that you showed up as the next candidate and that I don't think you're capable of playing that badly, defending Sevyrn so hard when there is absolutely nothing Townie about him would look suspicious.
wat
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
August 20 2011 17:50 GMT
#440
You're right xtfftc, using past behavior to analyze someone says nothing about their role, and I'm merely posting that information as fluff so I can hide better as mafia.

You got me bro
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
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