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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
Again, who started this? Palmar. Let's take a brief look at the sevryn bandwagon. Did it build up quickly? Has there been any noticeable defense that appears flimsy or false or nervous? I don't think he's scum. Jackal, who do you think is mafia and why? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
I think we should lynch Navillus. He jumped on quick Palmar bandwagon with shoddy reasoning ("he is shouting kill DropBear"). Let's recap what Navillus have done: -say I am trolling / will troll / am useless / anti-town in the first hours of the game all over again -vote for me just because of that -unvote me without any reason (besides "You started to contribute") -tried to coordinate blues (Town KP should shoot lurkers, really good deal for Mafia, because hatters will have useless bombs planted and vigis will waste their only one shot they have) -disappeared during the most active time of the day. ##vote Navillus I'll see what Sevryn has done. Palmar is not good lynch today, I feel his lynch is a bit Kavdragon-ish from PYPI I've played. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On August 20 2011 23:38 Navillus wrote: Last, to palmar, you're suspicious of Brownbear for trying to deflect a lynch, that would naturally imply that the person he's deflecting the lynch from would also be scum, are you still convinced that DB is scum? I think he very well may be. But I think BB has much more damning evidence in the thread than DB, so it makes more sense to lynch him. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Navillus, this fluff list is nothing. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
So, I've read the arguments about xtfftc and brownbear (thanks palmar) but I'm sticking to my vote of Sev. Why? He hasn't posted a single thing in the last 20 hours. He defended himself (fairly shittily, IMO) with a couple desperation posts of "well I was just pressure voting, I didn't actually think he was scum" and then disappeared. Obviously that's not good town logic; we vote to lynch mafia, not vote to get information or to pressure people when we apparently already know they're not mafia. Why doesn't Sev have anything to add to the discussion? Why isn't he actively making a case for why he shouldn't be lynched and who we actually should lynch? He hasn't made a new vote, he hasn't participated in discussion, and he hasn't adequately defended himself. I still think he is mafia. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On August 20 2011 23:38 chaos13 wrote: We're gonna derp ourselves into a useless no-lynch today if this keeps up. This thread is a mess. I'm not sure on who thinks what of who any more because things are so muddled up with accusations everywhere and a complete lack of clarity in communication. Again, who started this? Palmar. Let's take a brief look at the sevryn bandwagon. Did it build up quickly? Has there been any noticeable defense that appears flimsy or false or nervous? I don't think he's scum. Jackal, who do you think is mafia and why? I don't think you're actually this bad at this game, so you might quite possibly be scum. The thread has a pretty clear focus at the moment, but you're trying to spin it off as it's some randomness to try and discredit me. If you were town, you'd recognize what I have done, but I don't think you are. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On August 20 2011 23:41 Kurumi wrote: I dislike Palmar's random fingerpointing and not dedicating his vote to any of the candidates presented, why?. This is not promoting pro-town atmosphere, though he made a case on BrownBear. I think Palmar would be a good DT check or just person to look at tomorrow. I think we should lynch Navillus. He jumped on quick Palmar bandwagon with shoddy reasoning ("he is shouting kill DropBear"). Let's recap what Navillus have done: -say I am trolling / will troll / am useless / anti-town in the first hours of the game all over again -vote for me just because of that -unvote me without any reason (besides "You started to contribute") -tried to coordinate blues (Town KP should shoot lurkers, really good deal for Mafia, because hatters will have useless bombs planted and vigis will waste their only one shot they have) -disappeared during the most active time of the day. ##vote Navillus I'll see what Sevryn has done. Palmar is not good lynch today, I feel his lynch is a bit Kavdragon-ish from PYPI I've played. Re-read the case on BB please. Navillus is not the best lynch we have today. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On August 20 2011 23:46 Kurumi wrote: Sevryn's lack of defense makes me wonder, same goes with Palmar. Afaik only xtfftc defended himself. Navillus, this fluff list is nothing. where did he defend himself? maybe my filterfunction is broken or something. I can't see a defensepost out of him. Are you sure that you don't refer to a post of him in your ScumQT ? | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On August 20 2011 23:38 chaos13 wrote: We're gonna derp ourselves into a useless no-lynch today if this keeps up. This thread is a mess. I'm not sure on who thinks what of who any more because things are so muddled up with accusations everywhere and a complete lack of clarity in communication. Again, who started this? Palmar. Let's take a brief look at the sevryn bandwagon. Did it build up quickly? Has there been any noticeable defense that appears flimsy or false or nervous? I don't think he's scum. Jackal, who do you think is mafia and why? Palmar. He's playing his "I'm so town it hurts" persona he had in PTP2. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On August 20 2011 23:38 chaos13 wrote: Let's take a brief look at the sevryn bandwagon. Did it build up quickly? Has there been any noticeable defense that appears flimsy or false or nervous? I don't think he's scum. Really? Since Sevyrn made that awful post there's been cases attempted on DropBear, BrownBear, Mig, Palmar calling everyone scum, it goes on. A DEFENSE THAT ISN'T FLIMSY? LOOK AT THIS SHIT: On August 19 2011 23:39 Sevryn wrote: Right now DB is looking the scummiest imo and after what palmar did in Swedish house mafia I am inclined to trust him. That said if there is a good case against anyone else i would be willing to give DropBear another lookskie ## vote DropBear On August 20 2011 03:41 Sevryn wrote: That was my whole point I didn't say it was a pressure vote untill after he responded and I took my vote off because palmar has a shitty case and I didn't want people to lynch me because they thought I was just bandwagoning LOOK AT THIS. THAT IS THE SCUMMIEST VOTE REASON ANYONE HAS EVER SEEN IN THE ETERNITY OF ANYTHING. That is an EVEN scummier unvote reason. He wants to leave his vote uselessly somewhere. Then replies that he knew it was useless, but he's unvoting because he doesn't want us to lynch him. This is the post that "convinced" Sevyrn to take his vote off DropBear: On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote: OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear". The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2? I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something. My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm". How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel? What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway. Yeah bullshit, nothing here makes him look unscummy enough to cancel the "pressure vote" that Sevyrn knew was useless on him anyways. He unvoted because we were calling him out for his terrible voting and doesn't want to get lynched. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
You will notice that a ton of people called me out for having little reasoning behind the accusations. It's only the manner in which BB did so that leads me to believe he's scum. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On August 21 2011 01:09 Curu wrote: Why not take a look at the way some people AGREED with you? You probably didn't believe the case yourself, so those agreeing for awful reasons would seem more suspicious. I do still think hanging DropBear is a good idea. We can only hang one person tonight, and I think that person should be BB. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On August 21 2011 00:04 supersoft wrote: where did he defend himself? maybe my filterfunction is broken or something. I can't see a defensepost out of him. Are you sure that you don't refer to a post of him in your ScumQT ? Pardon me then, I was sure somebody mentioned xtfftc's defense and I was too lazy to filter his posts  We have three candidates and noone defended himself. I'd lynch Sevryn before xtfftc. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Just give it up. Your crusade against bears has failed. Switching my vote to Sevryn because that deadline's looming, and he's got the most votes right now. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On August 21 2011 01:16 Curu wrote: You admitted yourself you have little reasoning behind the accusations, but now it's more scummy for people to disagree with your little reasoning than for people to agree for even worse reasons? Woah woah, where did I say I had little reasoning? I said I jumped the first scummy fucker I found. That means I had a better reason to believe he was scum than anyone else in the thread at that point. I still think there's very good chances of DB flipping scum, but I think our chances are better with BB. I still think that meta argument is quite valid. But there is more to go on with BrownBear. I don't think agreeing with me is at all scummy just for the sake of agreeing with me. Again, its how people say things, not what they say. But really, it's not my methodology we should be discussing, but much rather who we think is scum. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On August 21 2011 01:23 BrownBear wrote: Lol Palmar? Keep trying to twist my words bro, it's getting you nowhere. You have no credibility with town right now, and you really only have yourself to blame. Just give it up. Your crusade against bears has failed. Switching my vote to Sevryn because that deadline's looming, and he's got the most votes right now. I'm not giving it up when I think I'm right. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:39 Sevryn wrote: Right now DB is looking the scummiest imo and after what palmar did in Swedish house mafia I am inclined to trust him. That said if there is a good case against anyone else i would be willing to give DropBear another lookskie ## vote DropBear His first post in game, seems rather silly, and is the post he's caught a lot of flak over. To jump in and insta-bandwagon is usually a poor choice. Also, trusting players based off of previous games is a poor choice in general. This looks to me like someone seeing an easy early bandwagon and hopping on it, hoping they can ride out the rest of the day cycle under the radar. Pretty obviously he gets called out on it quickly, and then after a few posts this happens: On August 20 2011 03:06 Sevryn wrote: Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game. LOL PRESSURE VOTE JAYKAY GUYZ. Basically, I call bullshit on this for a few reasons: He says he "made up a bullshit reason" but that's not how you properly pressure vote. You pressure vote by building a legitimate case against a guy, try to get others to agree with you, then see how he reacts when there's pressure on him. Not by going "oh palmars right he was right in previous games ALL RIGHT THEN AUTOVOTEBOTS ROLL OUT". It was pretty obvious your vote on DB had no real teeth behind it, as was shown by you backing off the instant someone yelled at you. I don't think you care about catching scum, you just want to find a hole to hide in for the rest of the day. Since then, basically nothing except feebly trying to defend his "pressure vote", and nothing since like page 15 or so. Summary: He definitely wants to hide under the radar. THe instant he got caught in the spotlight he shriveled up and backed off. This to me speaks scum or traitor. Either one is a worthy lynch candidate, and is a hell of a lot better than our usual "fuck around and then lynch a random guy" first day strategy, as palmar so succinctly put it. Vote Sevryn. | ||
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