EPTTo everyone else, goodnight. When I wake up I expect everyone to have unvoted protact and sandro.
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
To everyone else, goodnight. When I wake up I expect everyone to have unvoted protact and sandro. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
He never mentions a serious lynch candidate on day one. That is not one of his priorities. I'm actually super glad this came up because I've been pretty busy at work and my tunneling Kenpachi based upon the last game's vig mechanics + not knowing kurumi's meta sidetracked me specifically. There's a few things I want to clear up, though: I specifically said I was likely going to lynch Mattchew. In retrospect that looks bad, but I was entirely serious. His entire focus is on the election and discussing other trivial matters. His approach to the election is not to comment on the election candidates or share his opinion on them as individuals, but to discredit them in a broad sense. He explains numerous times how there is probably a scum within the frontrunners, but never indicates which one. He apparently has no opinion on BC's mason fiasco, nor ever mentions the campaigns of prot or BM. RE: the rest. All three of BC/BM/Prot have a higher likelihood of being mafia than anyone else. Whether or not a specific one should have been picked over the other is entirely irrelevant specifically because the vote pattern up until the point at which I made my candidature post indicated that one of the frontrunners was mafia. This indicates that should votes continue to sheep in on the same candidates, that a mafia candidate would be voted in. Sheeping then occured. I didn't state that there's probably 'a scum within the frontrunners' either. My claim was more bold, if I recall correctly; It was that there was AT LEAST one. I'm glad you reminded me of this, though; I seem to have tunneled on Kenpachi without knowing that Kurumi had the potential to lie about a bunch of shit. So, lets return to my first love: Here are the vote lists with the flip data put in. Given the vote lists we've got here: Votes for Bill Murray (11) Second Macpo Toadesstern rgTheSchworz Jackal58 GiygaS Munk-E EchelonTee Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles Ciryandor kitaman27 Votes for BloodyC0bbler (11) First Meapak_Ziphh risk.nuke GGQ zeks Lanaia glurio Cyber_Cheese Foolishness supersoft wherebugsgo VisceraEyes Votes for Protactinium (10) Palmar Adam4167 Kurumi Cwave Liquid`Sheth Jayjay54 Jitsu p4NDemik bumatlarge blahz0r There's a bit more information in the vote list, but if Kita and VE are townies (due to the hit and claim respectively. not 100% confirmation, but its pretty strong evidence in my mind), there are some consequences. First, it means that mafia watched a massive surge in support for BC and BM, as well as a critical shift from Proact to BC by VE. Second it means that the final votes were tossed in at the deadline by townies, but no one seemed bothered by these votes; little commentary in the thread, etc. This indicates to me that between the three of them, there were two mafia candidates, which means that mafia was never on the hook to lose their access to the BG names or one of the office powers, as well as the immunity from checks that it provides. Given that Ciry's vote gave BM leadership of the race over BC, it seems likely that they were competing for position; Until the VE/Kita votes, Proact and BM were going to become the twin office holders. Given all of this, it seems like BM/Proact are both mafia members who had their respective busses derailed at the last minute. Jitsu's vote wouldn't have changed anything, so I don't believe there's any information to be gained there. If these turn out to be true, we gain a fucking MOUNTAIN of information through the voter lists. The alternative, which I consider to be less likely is that the combination is actually BC/X with GGQ/Risk.nuke as bus starters. I honestly think that a vote for Proact and BM would be better than a vote for Macpo today, but I wouldn't be against a combination of Macpo and one of the others. Its just more efficient if we get Proact and BM out of the way asap because we get additional information about BC, Macpo and a whole slew of others through the voting lists, which means we'd be able to get a rather tight list of mafia candidates to vig during the night. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On January 17 2012 15:28 Lanaia wrote: I'm going to vote macpo because he does feel scummy. As well as everything everyone else has said. I'm really not sure if I want to vote for a double lynch right now. The majority of my townreads have so, maybe I should consider it. What are the benefits of this? We know it is very possible something ridiculous like what happened in the 80p game has the potential to happen at some point (but it would be stupid). We have a chance to either get rid of two scum if all goes well, or a scum and a lurker if all also goes well. Isn't it prone to manipulation more than a single lynch is? The benefits? If we hit 2 mafia members, we cut their KP from 4 to 3. We shouldn't be hitting lurkers with this lynch; we have plenty of beef to go on. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
Ok really going to sleep now. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I'm a little unsure of everything right now, so I'm going to sleep on it and come back tomorrow. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote: Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. dunno who was first and I honestly don't care, but I find opz to be rather scummy as well. Do you think he's worth a lynch today, or should we lynch someone like BM instead? | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:23 Toadesstern wrote: actually from the op it looks like blocking KP is not possible this game. Only lowering the Mafia amound. So if the sheriff locks up a mafia they're treated as (#-mafia)-1 because one is locked up. could we get a host confirmation on that one? Is it able to denie a kill if you lock up the right mafia or is it just useful for lowering the amount of mafias that will determine who much KP they got? If Mafia is locked up, he doesn't count toward KP and thus KP may be lowered. Meanwhile a shot fired at somebody incarcerated is a shot wasted. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On January 17 2012 15:25 ~OpZ~ wrote: Actually. I have an aside here. I'm confused by the Jack role now. "Jack You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away. " Doesn't the first bolded part contradict the second bolded part? You're right, it's supposed to say twice. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:31 wherebugsgo wrote: supersoft: Is Toad scum? I have an answer already, I want you to help. You being German and all. mh I am undecided right now. I read through his 8 pages of blabla 3 times now and there is no town or scumtell. I guess I'll come back to him towmorrow, you know... | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
On January 17 2012 16:16 Jayjay54 wrote: Where did VE claim a hit? Nowhere? I think he ment to write that Kita claimed the hit. @ BC: Unless you can prove that you mason'd up with more then 1 for more then 2 days, you are on the list of hanging high. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
Im am not So convinced that using or doable lynch is the best bet right now. like, We only have 2 of them. Are we sure that today is the best day to use it? My Dream lynch for today would be double of Sandroba and one of Macpo/zeks. Other than Macpo, there are not many votes on anyone else at the moment. seems to easy for mafia to get a mislynch in with the primary lynch. Im still musing on this. personaly, I would narrow the lynch list down to: Macpo- plenty of analysis on this guy, and he has just vanished for the most part. Scum Sandroba- Scum L- has not done anything of substance this game, dont see that changing Zeks- His tone of "nothing to see here" permeates in his posts. If by morning there are more than 3 people splitting votes, I will not be voting for a double lynch. and with that, goodnight ^__^ | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On January 17 2012 19:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote: after Sephirotharg in Wiggles mini mafia, I would prefer Chaosquo over Macpo, but I'm willing to swap I suppose. Oh come on, that was fun ^^ Lets consolidate on Macpo for now, deal with Chaosquo at a later date. ##Vote: Macpo | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
 poor guy But alright- ##Unvote ##Vote Macpo | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
Seph wasn't apologetic off the bat, never pleaded not to be lynched either. Macpo actually does looks like Misder in Vers analysis (the argument I used to get the bandwagon going on seph). | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On January 17 2012 15:11 Adam4167 wrote: OK, I just arrived in Melbourne after a 12 hour drive for a funeral, so my appearances in the thread will be spotty... but I'm still committed to this damn game. BM... what the shit man? -You say Foolishness is one of your strongest town reads -He even makes it into the 'townie' zone of your big list of names -You even go as far as to say you wanted Foolishness in the mayor position -Everyone acknowledges that town Foolishness is a WMD, especially post day 2 Annnd then you choose to incarcerate Lanaia on night 1.. who you labelled as scum? Don't feed us that crap about trying to lower scum KP on the first night, i aint buying it Why the hell wouldn't you have incarcerated foolishness? Something here does not compute for me. And you still haven't answered the question I asked you earlier. I know Lanaia from IRC, if she's town she's a great scumhunter Jailing foolishness is a waste when he's definitely going to be protected by a doctor | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
-You still think VE is scum? or just a townie that did dumb shit? -What are your thoughts on Kenpachi and kingjames? -Finally, what are your thoughts on me and Ech? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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blahz0r
3030 Posts
On January 17 2012 14:53 kingjames01 wrote: I have a long day tomorrow and it starts really early so this is going to be my last post for the night. Town: kitaman27 was shot Night 1 which accounts for the last mafia KP. We can trust what he says without worrying if he's lying to us. He may be wrong, but he's pro-Town. kitaman27: Kurumi shot Ciryandor. I also believe L to be mafia and I'm glad that you agree. You say we can trust what he says regardless if he's right or wrong. It's been uncontested that he was shot and took away one possible kill from Mafia. Not many people have posted about this. Here's what my initial thoughts were: What if he was lying about being shot and by chance the last mafia kill was prevented by something not mentioned in the thread. If no one contested this, this would cause issues later on as we would be trusting someone who is leading us in the wrong direction. If he was town, there should not be any contest to this as any Mafia trying to would put themselves at risk. Still thinking who I should vote =\ | ||
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