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Things I don't like about our Bill Murray.
Since the start he have felt pretty strongly that Sandroba was scum. Why? Because sandroba wanted to lynch ciryandor. Even after ciryandors flip which didn't slow him down the least he kept going after sandroba.
About people who have flipped we know that Bill Murray was against Mattchew, initially wanting to lynch him as part of his campaign. And he claimed Ciryandor was a townie.
On January 16 2012 14:10 Bill Murray wrote:
I am pretty sure I saved Lanaia from being killed last night
+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 21:52 Bill Murray wrote:Town
supersoft
Cyber_Cheese
Toadesstern
Adam4167
Foolishness
Nisani201
EchelonTee
Jayjay54
L
Liquid`Sheth
kitaman27
BloodyC0bbler
Kurumi
p4NDemik
Meapak_Ziphh
wherebugsgo
Dont want to lynch:
VisceraEyes
Jitsu
Mr. Wiggles
~OpZ~
Ciryandor
Jackal58
hiro protagonist
GiygaS
BrownBear
Where have you been? Wouldn't mind lynching these lurkers:
igabod
zeks
evantrees
Chaosquo
Cwave
Slardar
rgTheSchworz
Scamp
glurio
rtgICEMAN
Maxella
blahz0r
GGQ
Lynch, Lynch, Lynch!:
Protactinium (Mystlord/Incognito)
sandroba
risk.nuke
Munk-E
scumatlarge
Lanaia
Macpo
Mafia
What is this? You say you think you saved lanaia? I thought you firmly belived lanaia was scum.
Sorry what? I really don't feel like you're sticking to the same story. Potentially yes you could had thought hmm, 1 kp is missing, and roleblocks aren't likely to have lowered the kp so theoreticly yes someone could had tried to shoot lanaia and you could had reached the conclusion that someone shot the person you incarnated. BUT comeon you claim you were sure lanaia was scum so what's the rush. You know there is the possibility of medic saves. So why did you so quickly say you are pretty sure they hit lanaia. I could understand a "fyi, I used incarnate on lanaia tonight". But I can't understand how you would go from lanaia i scum to lanaia took a hit. Here is my theory.
You are scum. You knew they didn't hit lanaia. Instead you were worried that maybe a townie who jailed someone and see's 1 kp is missing would had informed the town that they had used incarnate and specculated that they might had shot that person. Assuming they had used it on someone they thought likely to be town. I don't belive your story because you overdid it. You say you targeted a person you think is mafia and then you claim too belive they took a hit. If I had used it on someone I thought was scum (Which is [stupid=aka-antitown] in itself to begin with) I would not swiftly assume that person had taken a hit. After a while if nobody claimed a hit, sure then I might be inclined to belive it.
On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote:
WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP
Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed
WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA?
That would explain why we had 3 mafia KP last night, and not 4
i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack?
Then apparently you don't have one theory you deem more likely then the others. Instead you derp around claiming everything from lanaia took a hit too lanaia could had lowered scum kp. You really just don't have any idea what would the best thing to claim so you claim it all. Damn derping imo. It just looks so stupid when you read it.
Then there is the potential scumslip where you accidently say the mafia have 1 mason which ViceraEyes brough up before.
Conclusion: Besides having stacked up on scumpoints. I want to lynch this liar who can't decide what story to stick to.
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I could easily have prevented Lanaia from using a scum ability
when I saw 3 KP, and L claimed Roleblocked, I thought it might have been the combination of the two
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On January 17 2012 20:22 Adam4167 wrote:
So cheese, while you're around:
-You still think VE is scum? or just a townie that did dumb shit?
-What are your thoughts on Kenpachi and kingjames?
-Finally, what are your thoughts on me and Ech?
VE, I'm not sure. It was either a really clever scum move, or a really dumb town one. I'm leaning on the latter.
Kenpachi is an unreadable lurker at the moment. He was this useless in Steamship too as a VT.
Kingjames, I haven't really considered him often, I have a relatively weak town read. He's prodding the elected officials, which I like.
You and Echelon fall more or less into the same bucket, I've kinda seen your posts here and there, but not really considered them. I don't think there's enough content on either of you to come to any conclusions yet.
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whats REAAALLLLY funny is the top 2 candidates for lynch were on my scumlist d1
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@BM: You mean n1? Your announced d1 scum candidates were Kurumi and Sandroba. Kurumi magically becomes town in your n1 post, which is rather convenient given the night actions.
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Ok I'm awake / re.
As mentioned, sandroba has not enough supporters so I'm switching votes. I still don't see how sandroba is NOT fitting foolish's analysis as well but I won't get you on sandroba at this point so I'd might just help you lynch macpo and lynch you all afterwards if this turns out to be wrong.
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On January 17 2012 22:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I'm awake / re.
As mentioned, sandroba has not enough supporters so I'm switching votes. I still don't see how sandroba is NOT fitting foolish's analysis as well but I won't get you on sandroba at this point so I'd might just help you lynch macpo and lynch you all afterwards if this turns out to be wrong.
Alright, have to run to TA but this post alone makes me think that you're mafia.
FOS: Toadesstern
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On January 17 2012 23:01 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 22:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I'm awake / re.
As mentioned, sandroba has not enough supporters so I'm switching votes. I still don't see how sandroba is NOT fitting foolish's analysis as well but I won't get you on sandroba at this point so I'd might just help you lynch macpo and lynch you all afterwards if this turns out to be wrong. Alright, have to run to TA but this post alone makes me think that you're mafia. FOS: Toadesstern
awesome here we are again. This is not helping at all. Explain why you think so or it will make people think I'm town based of your the fact that your cheap post is looking pretty scummy too.
So if you really think so put at least some effort into it and explain why you think so instead of saying "yeah I think so" which is np to change later on because as soon as you see a flip you can always say "yeah told you so" or "sry I was wrong but it wasn't a strong read at all" because there's nothing into it.
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Anyway, I'm subbing in for igabod. I include his five-line filter for reference:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=238699
My opinions on the lynch candidates so far:
Sandroba:
Day 1 mostly drunken trolling, but day 2 looks fine. Nothing suspicious in the BC mason log. I'm more worried about some of the people who made cases against him.
Protactinium:
After that n1 post? Really? What's more interesting is that all of his targets ignored it except Evantrees.
Macpo:
I wouldn't be able to call him noob scum rather than noob town personally. There's a definite change in posting style but I found one post coaching him in the thread between the offending posts:
On January 14 2012 05:39 Jitsu wrote:
RE: Macpo
Why are you pointing out that you are such a newb? In the post I recall, you really try to drive home the fact that you are a newb and that you wish people pardon you're small mistakes! Take responsibility for you're actions. I feel that you are being wishy-washy. Don't be wishy-washy.
Could be a coincidence, but Macpo appears to be following this advice to the letter.
GGQ:
Terrible posting. Could be a very time-poor veteran townie, I suppose, but it's not excusable at this stage.
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On January 17 2012 20:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 20:22 Adam4167 wrote:
So cheese, while you're around:
-You still think VE is scum? or just a townie that did dumb shit?
-What are your thoughts on Kenpachi and kingjames?
-Finally, what are your thoughts on me and Ech? VE, I'm not sure. It was either a really clever scum move, or a really dumb town one. I'm leaning on the latter. Kenpachi is an unreadable lurker at the moment. He was this useless in Steamship too as a VT. Kingjames, I haven't really considered him often, I have a relatively weak town read. He's prodding the elected officials, which I like. You and Echelon fall more or less into the same bucket, I've kinda seen your posts here and there, but not really considered them. I don't think there's enough content on either of you to come to any conclusions yet.
Oh yeah, as scum I'd never had more fun in my life than that mislynch
poor guy
But alright-
##Unvote
##Vote Macpo
What? Are you willing to vote to lynch a person you think is townie?
On January 17 2012 19:45 Adam4167 wrote:Oh come on, that was fun ^^ Lets consolidate on Macpo for now, deal with Chaosquo at a later date. ##Vote: Macpo
Same to you - Do you think Macpo is scum? Why?
On January 17 2012 22:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I'm awake / re.
As mentioned, sandroba has not enough supporters so I'm switching votes. I still don't see how sandroba is NOT fitting foolish's analysis as well but I won't get you on sandroba at this point so I'd might just help you lynch macpo and lynch you all afterwards if this turns out to be wrong.
Ok, so let's review.
You tunnel Sandroba endlessly. You make a post that's longer than any other post in you're eight pages of filter, to push Sandroba's filter. When it's fairly obvious, you jump off the bandwagon and say that you will lynch Macpo.
In turn to agreeing to lynch Macpo, it seems you are essentially try to rid yourself of all of responsibility of the lynch. Why? To not draw attention? What is you're reasoning for doing this? What if it turns out to be red? Do we have the go-ahead to kill you outright?
Give a good reason why you are voting for Macpo.
On January 17 2012 23:26 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 05:39 Jitsu wrote:
RE: Macpo
Why are you pointing out that you are such a newb? In the post I recall, you really try to drive home the fact that you are a newb and that you wish people pardon you're small mistakes! Take responsibility for you're actions. I feel that you are being wishy-washy. Don't be wishy-washy.
Could be a coincidence, but Macpo appears to be following this advice to the letter.
What are you insinuating?
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6 people have jumped on the bandwagon in the Voting Thread. I don't think I've seen any analysis from any of those guys on Macpo.
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On January 18 2012 00:31 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 23:26 jaj22 wrote:On January 14 2012 05:39 Jitsu wrote:
RE: Macpo
Why are you pointing out that you are such a newb? In the post I recall, you really try to drive home the fact that you are a newb and that you wish people pardon you're small mistakes! Take responsibility for you're actions. I feel that you are being wishy-washy. Don't be wishy-washy.
Could be a coincidence, but Macpo appears to be following this advice to the letter. What are you insinuating?
Oh, nothing against you. Just that a major part of the case against Macpo seems to be that he's been scum-coached between those two posts, but he could simply have been following your advice from the thread.
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On January 18 2012 00:31 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 22:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I'm awake / re.
As mentioned, sandroba has not enough supporters so I'm switching votes. I still don't see how sandroba is NOT fitting foolish's analysis as well but I won't get you on sandroba at this point so I'd might just help you lynch macpo and lynch you all afterwards if this turns out to be wrong. Ok, so let's review. You tunnel Sandroba endlessly. You make a post that's longer than any other post in you're eight pages of filter, to push Sandroba's filter. When it's fairly obvious, you jump off the bandwagon and say that you will lynch Macpo. In turn to agreeing to lynch Macpo, it seems you are essentially try to rid yourself of all of responsibility of the lynch. Why? To not draw attention? What is you're reasoning for doing this? What if it turns out to be red? Do we have the go-ahead to kill you outright? Give a good reason why you are voting for Macpo.
Because noone else is going to be lynched today. I'm not sure if Macpo is red yet. But what good is there in keep telling you guys to lynch sandroba if noones listening. If you don't want to lynch sandroba although he's mafia it's fine with me at this point. For my point of view I'm either spot on, right and some people here don't want you to believe me or I'm completly wrong.
First thing won't be solved befor we see a lynch, 2nd one is up to me.
What we're going to do? If the guy flips red we're going to lynch the next guy on the list of whoever suggested macpo first-ish.
If he flips green we're going to trust someone else and look exactly at who voted macpo and when.
You think I'm trying to get out of responsibility? I don't think I can get out of responsibility at this point in time and noone will think I am out of responsibilty if (and only if) sandroba flips green, which won't happen.
However, that's not going to be a problem for me. Noone cares about responsibility so far except for when it fits what they want to believe
Why do you want to lynch me if this guy flips green? I'm not even sure he's a red yet (I take it that sounds scummy to you and you don't think about what it could be else?), I even said so earlier and at this point I don't care at all because I simply failed to get you on my side so I might as well join the side I think is most likely green for me.
Now that you speak about responsibilty. What happens with wbg? I am a fairly new guy, yet I was able to tell him that his case on palmar is wrong because what palmar did fit his meta as well, just look at the game wbg co-hosted. WBG pushed a townie-lynch and you don't care about it. Yet you tell me that you want to lynch me because of some flip that has NOTHING to do with me and still has to come?
If I REALLY am a mafia willing to bus someone so easily or just get on a bandwagon I'm not dangerous at all, because I'd be trying to evade a lynch by exactly doing what town wants me to do.
So far wbg was wrong twice and both times a newby like me was able to see that comming before it even happened. He's wrong with me too, but you'll see that soon enough, especially if you really want to lynch me.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 18 2012 00:54 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:31 Jitsu wrote:On January 17 2012 22:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I'm awake / re.
As mentioned, sandroba has not enough supporters so I'm switching votes. I still don't see how sandroba is NOT fitting foolish's analysis as well but I won't get you on sandroba at this point so I'd might just help you lynch macpo and lynch you all afterwards if this turns out to be wrong. Ok, so let's review. You tunnel Sandroba endlessly. You make a post that's longer than any other post in you're eight pages of filter, to push Sandroba's filter. When it's fairly obvious, you jump off the bandwagon and say that you will lynch Macpo. In turn to agreeing to lynch Macpo, it seems you are essentially try to rid yourself of all of responsibility of the lynch. Why? To not draw attention? What is you're reasoning for doing this? What if it turns out to be red? Do we have the go-ahead to kill you outright? Give a good reason why you are voting for Macpo. Because noone else is going to be lynched today. I'm not sure if Macpo is red yet. But what good is there in keep telling you guys to lynch sandroba if noones listening. If you don't want to lynch sandroba although he's mafia it's fine with me at this point. For my point of view I'm either spot on, right and some people here don't want you to believe me or I'm completly wrong. First thing won't be solved befor we see a lynch, 2nd one is up to me. What we're going to do? If the guy flips red we're going to lynch the next guy on the list of whoever suggested macpo first-ish. If he flips green we're going to trust someone else and look exactly at who voted macpo and when. You think I'm trying to get out of responsibility? I don't think I can get out of responsibility at this point in time and noone will think I am out of responsibilty if (and only if) sandroba flips green, which won't happen.However, that's not going to be a problem for me. Noone cares about responsibility so far except for when it fits what they want to believe Why do you want to lynch me if this guy flips green? I'm not even sure he's a red yet (I take it that sounds scummy to you and you don't think about what it could be else?), I even said so earlier and at this point I don't care at all because I simply failed to get you on my side so I might as well join the side I think is most likely green for me. Now that you speak about responsibilty. What happens with wbg? I am a fairly new guy, yet I was able to tell him that his case on palmar is wrong because what palmar did fit his meta as well, just look at the game wbg co-hosted. WBG pushed a townie-lynch and you don't care about it. Yet you tell me that you want to lynch me because of some flip that has NOTHING to do with me and still has to come? If I REALLY am a mafia willing to bus someone so easily or just get on a bandwagon I'm not dangerous at all, because I'd be trying to evade a lynch by exactly doing what town wants me to do. So far wbg was wrong twice and both times a newby like me was able to see that comming before it even happened. He's wrong with me too, but you'll see that soon enough, especially if you really want to lynch me.
EBWOP: sry my bad. WBG was wrong once, not twice. He's wrong with his analysis on me, that's the 2nd thing I was referring to but you obviously can't see that. My bad
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@Toad: You know this isn't a majority lynch, right? I don't see any town reason to vote for someone you think is town this early.
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Votes for Macpo (15)
Protactinium
Foolishness
Bill Murray
Scamp
Jitsu
Meapak_Ziphh
evantrees
Lanaia
bumatlarge
rgTheSchworz
Adam4167
Cyber_Cheese
Toadesstern
glurio
rtgICEMAN
Votes for sandroba (2)
hiro protagonist
Kenpachi
Votes for GGQ (1)
sandroba
Votes for Protactinium (3)
Nisani201
risk.nuke
~OpZ~
Votes for Bill Murray (1)
wherebugsgo
Votes for Kenpachi (1)
BrownBear
Votes for Jackal58 (2)
bumatlarge
BloodyC0bbler
Votes for L (2)
kitaman27
kingjames01
Hey good, we’re finally agreeing on something.
Is it though?
There has never been so much agreement in a mafia game ever. It is the best bandwagon ever. And so convenient. He made some newbie posts and everybody is pointing at him. Mafia is just leaning back and letting us lynch the noob. There is no interference whatsoever. Either mafia has chosen to let him just die or he’s freaking newb townie! This will simply be mislynch.
Even worse, we’ll get ZERO information from a possible mislynch. Nada. “Hey everybody was agreeing. Yay. Let’s lynch him”. We’ll be as smart as we were before.
I realize that, I won’t get my BC vote…and not even sandrobar. But if we take a “lesser” player, let’s pick GGQ or chaos. If we mislynch here, we get information regarding sandros and chaos alignment.
Wake the fuck up, tow!
##Vote: GGQ
For now….if there is someone else gathering more votes, I’ll reconsider, because I think that mac is the wrong choice. No gain, mislynch and no information at all.
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On January 18 2012 01:05 jaj22 wrote:
@Toad: You know this isn't a majority lynch, right? I don't see any town reason to vote for someone you think is town this early.
I never said he is town. I'm leaning red on him, however I am sure sandroba is red. That's why I'd prefere a sandroba lynch but that's not going to happen. The point of switching is that it's going to give us less chaos. I want someone I think is at least a little scummy to be lynched and I don't want more people to interfere with it.
I was interfering with it because I think sandroba is the better lynch and noone has given me a single reason why my case is bad or wrong except for "the case is retarded" / "sandroba is a bad lynch". Nothing so far. That's why i kept pushing for it because noone gave me a reason to stop with it. Now I've got a reason to stop because he's not going to be lynched with so many people on someone else. It's pretty much the same as mayor candidates. If you don't get enough votes on someone near deadline you should consider voting someone else and stop running for mayor. I'm doing the same because at this point in time I am interferring with what most people think. That's not helping tow.
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On January 17 2012 20:46 Bill Murray wrote:
I could easily have prevented Lanaia from using a scum ability
when I saw 3 KP, and L claimed Roleblocked, I thought it might have been the combination of the two
You do realize that 3 roles would have been needed to block a KP?
I choose to believe kita who is the only one claiming to be shot (someone said VE, but I think he misunderstood something).
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I hoped VE would be shot 
I still think he's either a vet/VT trying to be shot or a red :p
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On January 18 2012 00:31 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 20:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 17 2012 20:22 Adam4167 wrote:
So cheese, while you're around:
-You still think VE is scum? or just a townie that did dumb shit?
-What are your thoughts on Kenpachi and kingjames?
-Finally, what are your thoughts on me and Ech? VE, I'm not sure. It was either a really clever scum move, or a really dumb town one. I'm leaning on the latter. Kenpachi is an unreadable lurker at the moment. He was this useless in Steamship too as a VT. Kingjames, I haven't really considered him often, I have a relatively weak town read. He's prodding the elected officials, which I like. You and Echelon fall more or less into the same bucket, I've kinda seen your posts here and there, but not really considered them. I don't think there's enough content on either of you to come to any conclusions yet. Show nested quote +Oh yeah, as scum I'd never had more fun in my life than that mislynch
poor guy
But alright-
##Unvote
##Vote Macpo What? Are you willing to vote to lynch a person you think is townie?
wat
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