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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
I find it interesting that masons are more interested in getting reads off the Sheriff than to have a chat with the guy that just got shot. Everyone is talking about how dangerous masons can be because of the possibility that one of the two players could be scum, yet nobody wants to take advantage of having a conversation without that possibility? I'm hurt 
BM, there has been quite a drop off in your play from day one to day two. Do you honestly believe it is easier to identify a scum that will be shooting than it is to identify a town that will be shot? No more nonsense with your sheriff role please. I feel it was a poor decision to share the bodyguard identities, that will only lead to problems down the road. Your focus on masons concerns me and I'm having difficulty following you at times.
bugs, your current vote explanation is extremely weak. What happened to the Scamp case?
On January 17 2012 06:18 Slardar wrote:
I never said let's not scumhunt
Yet that's what your actions say. Do you care who gets lynched or are you just along for the ride? There are people in this game that have been so irrelevant, they're not even worthy of being brought up as lurkers. Cwave, BrownBear (?!), Munk-E, Slardar, rtgICEMAN, Maxella, igabod (or whoever his replacement was). You guys are harming the game by not playing. If you don't contribute, we're eventually going to get to a point where all the active players have been killed off and the only way to distinguish players is whether they made two posts or three. If your name is listed and you are town, please don't disappoint.
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Here are my thoughts about my lynch preference for today, L.
He never mentions a serious lynch candidate on day one. That is not one of his priorities.
His entire focus is on the election and discussing other trivial matters. His approach to the election is not to comment on the election candidates or share his opinion on them as individuals, but to discredit them in a broad sense. He explains numerous times how there is probably a scum within the frontrunners, but never indicates which one. He apparently has no opinion on BC's mason fiasco, nor ever mentions the campaigns of prot or BM. In addition, you go out of your way to discredit Foolishness on numerous occasions.
Instead of selecting one of the frontrunners, he supports VE with the following statement:
On January 15 2012 06:23 L wrote:
I'll vote for you if you figure out a snazzy plan to confirm that you aren't bullshitting about your role.
Obviously role has nothing to do with alignment. You even reference this fact later on in one of your posts. The goal of the Jack is not to confirm his role. Any means of attempting to confirm his role only takes away from his ability to use his role in a pro-town fashion.
Now on to your first actual scum suspect:
On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote:
2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack.
So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day.
Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy.
##Vote L
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Foolishness -_-
While I respect your post greatly, and agree with more than a few of your reads (BM primarily, as you are right, he is at the helm and should be doing far more to help with direction), but your portion regarding me I feel is incorrect. I usually don't start posting much until I have firm reads, and more information where I can actually back things up. Also, almost every game I'm in with a large number of players I don't even start posting proper til day 3/4. I've already built cases I feel warrant attention, and while you point out sheth pointing out me, this was simply because I called him out for instariding Incog/Mystlord, with the most amazing defense of "Other people were doing it and your only calling me out for it?"
But I gives a shit as of right now.
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On January 17 2012 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Foolishness -_-
While I respect your post greatly, and agree with more than a few of your reads (BM primarily, as you are right, he is at the helm and should be doing far more to help with direction), but your portion regarding me I feel is incorrect. I usually don't start posting much until I have firm reads, and more information where I can actually back things up. Also, almost every game I'm in with a large number of players I don't even start posting proper til day 3/4. I've already built cases I feel warrant attention, and while you point out sheth pointing out me, this was simply because I called him out for instariding Incog/Mystlord, with the most amazing defense of "Other people were doing it and your only calling me out for it?"
But I gives a shit as of right now.
to be fair to sheth, he actually supported protrac right from the beginning pretty much on a stance along the lines of "where everyone else says they are going to do things, protrac actually is as such he gets my support" or something along those lines.
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On January 17 2012 14:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Foolishness -_-
While I respect your post greatly, and agree with more than a few of your reads (BM primarily, as you are right, he is at the helm and should be doing far more to help with direction), but your portion regarding me I feel is incorrect. I usually don't start posting much until I have firm reads, and more information where I can actually back things up. Also, almost every game I'm in with a large number of players I don't even start posting proper til day 3/4. I've already built cases I feel warrant attention, and while you point out sheth pointing out me, this was simply because I called him out for instariding Incog/Mystlord, with the most amazing defense of "Other people were doing it and your only calling me out for it?"
But I gives a shit as of right now. to be fair to sheth, he actually supported protrac right from the beginning pretty much on a stance along the lines of "where everyone else says they are going to do things, protrac actually is as such he gets my support" or something along those lines.
That was only after repeated prodding by me BC. I remember because I had to ask multiple times for him to even give a reason for voting protact.
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RE: Foolishness
Your post called 1/3rd to 1/2 of the players in the game mafia, depending on how you define 'random inactives'. Slinging shit at nearly everyone in the game isn't what I recall your town play to be like, and its generally EV- as far as positive town play goes.
On January 17 2012 13:45 kingjames01 wrote:
If no more information is revealed in the game, then this is what we know about the Night 1 actions.
Bill Murray incarcerated Lanaia.
mafia attempted to kill: Kurumi, Mr. Wiggles, GiygaS, kitaman27. They succeeded on the first 3 players.
kitaman27 survived the hit.
Kurumim shot Ciryandor.
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From Occam's Razor I had already assumed that Kurumi was the vigilante responsible for Ciryandor's death. I recall encountering some doubt after the Day 2 Post. Also, I don't want the idle speculation about whether the mafia used one of their KPs on Ciryandor.
Finally, kitaman27: I read through your filter again but don't see an updated suspect list. Since I believe that you were targetted for death last night, I am very interested to hear who you would like to lynch Day 2.
I don't get why Kurumi would crumb that he's blue and lie about his D1 shot. I didn't notice his criticism of Ciryandor, though, on my first pass through. See, in my head, lying would help him prevent a medic/jack save on his shot, but the risk of that prevention is largely created by the crumb itself, which makes the lie completely unnecessary. Additionally, had Ciryandor flipped town, he'd have just been rolling up towards a lynch with proof of lying and having shot an innocent under his belt. Double additionally, crumbing Vig with a history of criticizing a mafia member creates a substantial risk of getting RB'd and dying as blue on N1.
Someone mentioned that Kurumi lies in this situation pretty often, though. Does he explain his reasoning in a prior game? I'd like to read it over, if someone has it.
Also, the list of individuals that the mafia hit is very strange; I'm going to go read through Wiggles/GiygaS's filters tomorrow to see if there are any hints there.
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I have a long day tomorrow and it starts really early so this is going to be my last post for the night.
Town: kitaman27 was shot Night 1 which accounts for the last mafia KP. We can trust what he says without worrying if he's lying to us. He may be wrong, but he's pro-Town.
On January 17 2012 14:37 kitaman27 wrote:I find it interesting that masons are more interested in getting reads off the Sheriff than to have a chat with the guy that just got shot. Everyone is talking about how dangerous masons can be because of the possibility that one of the two players could be scum, yet nobody wants to take advantage of having a conversation without that possibility? I'm hurt BM, there has been quite a drop off in your play from day one to day two. Do you honestly believe it is easier to identify a scum that will be shooting than it is to identify a town that will be shot? No more nonsense with your sheriff role please. I feel it was a poor decision to share the bodyguard identities, that will only lead to problems down the road. Your focus on masons concerns me and I'm having difficulty following you at times. bugs, your current vote explanation is extremely weak. What happened to the Scamp case? Yet that's what your actions say. Do you care who gets lynched or are you just along for the ride? There are people in this game that have been so irrelevant, they're not even worthy of being brought up as lurkers. Cwave, BrownBear (?!), Munk-E, Slardar, rtgICEMAN, Maxella, igabod (or whoever his replacement was). You guys are harming the game by not playing. If you don't contribute, we're eventually going to get to a point where all the active players have been killed off and the only way to distinguish players is whether they made two posts or three. If your name is listed and you are town, please don't disappoint. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are my thoughts about my lynch preference for today, L. He never mentions a serious lynch candidate on day one. That is not one of his priorities. His entire focus is on the election and discussing other trivial matters. His approach to the election is not to comment on the election candidates or share his opinion on them as individuals, but to discredit them in a broad sense. He explains numerous times how there is probably a scum within the frontrunners, but never indicates which one. He apparently has no opinion on BC's mason fiasco, nor ever mentions the campaigns of prot or BM. In addition, you go out of your way to discredit Foolishness on numerous occasions. Instead of selecting one of the frontrunners, he supports VE with the following statement: Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:23 L wrote:
I'll vote for you if you figure out a snazzy plan to confirm that you aren't bullshitting about your role. Obviously role has nothing to do with alignment. You even reference this fact later on in one of your posts. The goal of the Jack is not to confirm his role. Any means of attempting to confirm his role only takes away from his ability to use his role in a pro-town fashion. Now on to your first actual scum suspect: Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote:
2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack.
So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day. Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy. ##Vote L
kitaman27: Kurumi shot Ciryandor.
On January 17 2012 13:45 kingjames01 wrote:If no more information is revealed in the game, then this is what we know about the Night 1 actions. Bill Murray incarcerated Lanaia. mafia attempted to kill: Kurumi, Mr. Wiggles, GiygaS, kitaman27. They succeeded on the first 3 players. kitaman27 survived the hit. Kurumim shot Ciryandor. Here are several posts showing that Kurumi believed Ciryandor to be mafia. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:28 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 01:18 Palmar wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
/confirm
LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. Is the Ciryandor quote the classic "scumslip" or am I mistaken, since "waiting for Wiggles" then "Wiggles has the best campaign?" besides, <generic things> <vote for me> is not good enough to earn a vote. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:43 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 01:35 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 01:35 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 01:29 Jackal58 wrote:On January 14 2012 00:53 kingjames01 wrote:On January 14 2012 00:38 kitaman27 wrote:
KJ's bodyguards should claim plan is incredibly poor. So is Jackal's. Even if the scum team did subsititute all three bodyguards, they still have to worry about a electoral official being a vet, which would cost them 3 scum or that one of the bodyguards wasn't jailed, which would also cost them 3 scum. First, there are only 2 Bodyguards. Second, I agree with you about Jackal's comment about lynching a Bodyguard. Third, you're actually agreeing with me in essence. I'm saying that if they sneak in a Bodyguard, it will be risky to take out the elected officials. However, to make it harder for them, they should be revealed from the beginning. What if both elected officials are killed and we have 0 clue as to who the Bodyguards were? Are you okay with that risk? Finally, are you stating for the record that if you were elected, you would not reveal your Bodyguards? And what is wrong with the threat of a lynch on a BG? If you don't think scum aren't going to try to sub in at least 1 of them as a BG you're being quite unrealistic. Just leave the threat of it out there. We should not make Bodyguards claim. Good to know that someone actually reads my posts Palmar, if You were given ability to kill someone right now, who would it be? Ciryandor, for speculating about if sandroba or I were going for the mayor position. You're consistent, good. Given that that's a huge game and we've got no special means of removing lurkers, do You find it logical to have a decent amount of KP on town's side? Do You think that Ciry will try to feign inactivity today? Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:21 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 20:18 Palmar wrote:
Day 1 has two goals, getting someone I want in office, and killing someone I want to kill. Incog and Ciryandor fit the bill, my work is done here. Wait, You want Incog elected and Ciry killed or both of them killed? and of course, Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:28 Kurumi wrote:On January 15 2012 03:12 Ciryandor wrote:
Whew, finally caught up after 25+ pages. Seriously. I just got home from being away all day today and had a long day at work yesterday, and people think I'm a good lynch candidate, especially for like half the mayor candidates? That's just fine and dandy, but there are other players who fit the same criterion.
Some reads on players of interest:
I honestly think GGQ has just as bad a posting history as mine, and that he has escaped scrutiny by creating an FoS on me just because I was asking why I should be believing the early candidates like Cyber_Cheese instead of Mr. Wiggles during that time.
I also can't blame Protactinium for thinking I'm bad as well with my responses, but I wouldn't vote for him just because he thinks BC is scum, and he hasn't buttressed that argument since. As far as I've read, I think BC has townie interests at heart and is in the usual situation with leading mayor candidates, having a hard time justifying what he would do with the position beyond the Day 1 lynch power, but a point against him as well is that he has not delivered his mason partner, which he had decided to reveal in one of his posts.
Also, risk.nuke being suddenly defensive after some criticism of him making a half hearted push for mayor is IMO very newbie townie play, or a scum being baited to attract others' attention to him. This should be noted as I think risk is noob town who does not know how to defend his positions properly.
Just a question, where is Kurumi? At least sandroba has posted even if he thinks I'm scummy for asking if he's running, and Palmar has said he doesn't really care now about the vote; which is uncharacteristically sour of him. I read Palmar as trolling town more than scum because of that, as he would have probably given a token "I support someone because they're worth trusting" post (as that could influence newbies/lurkers) who see people commenting at him being a veteran voting that way at the very least if he were scum.
Finally, I have to note that Bill's post that it is likely we have a scum candidate among the front-runners leads me to think we should actually do a vote-swing to a random strong candidate, and that the votes for that person should come from people who have already voted, as IMO it is more likely for scum to have delayed voting to have more influence over the result in a close race and not waste votes in a throw-away push for their candidate if a runaway win were to happen. Right now I'm torn between Proact and Sandroba in voting, because at least they're concrete in promising ONE NAME to lynch instead of being wishy-washy in getting a list of targets up, and that I think they have plans for town after Day 1 that don't need to be publicized yet. scum From Occam's Razor I had already assumed that Kurumi was the vigilante responsible for Ciryandor's death. I recall encountering some doubt after the Day 2 Post. Also, I don't want the idle speculation about whether the mafia used one of their KPs on Ciryandor. Finally, kitaman27: I read through your filter again but don't see an updated suspect list. Since I believe that you were targetted for death last night, I am very interested to hear who you would like to lynch Day 2.
I also believe L to be mafia and I'm glad that you agree.
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On January 17 2012 14:37 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote:
2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack.
So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day. Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy. ##Vote L
...I'm sorry, but don't jacks get two ability uses, and only able to use each ability once? And your saying knowing if a vig hit was targeted at a mafia would be bad for a mafia and a waste of a jack power to use it to protect the mafia? Or am I just reading this wrong...if you could just clarify what you're trying to say here....because I think it'd be far better for the mafia to if they protected one of there own, and try and roleblock someone else during the night...The vig would become a regular townie the next day. But I could be mistaken. Although it makes L trying to find out VE's "vig target" earlier more in line with what you were saying.
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I may have mis-read the rules this time jackal, but your time will come.
On January 14 2012 10:50 Jackal58 wrote:RPGs dude. You killed us.
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Your time will come...
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On January 17 2012 14:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 14:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Foolishness I'm kinda dissapointed. Your case against me is based around meta. Yeah it's true, I've never tunneled anyone hardcore like I'm doing with GGQ right now, does that necessaily make me scum? You don't think GGQ is scum, however incog/protact agrees with me. So what am I doing then? By your logic I'm a hyperaggressive scum trying to mislynch a townie, thats nothing like my scum meta (feeling free to use this since you brought it up as part of your case).
If you use incog's logic, I'm scum bussing a teammate. But what's my next move? My red list largely agrees with both yours, if I suddenly back off any of them it'll be super obvious. If I'm scum then I'm locked into bussing my own team for the next several days (given that you, me, and incog all think macpo and opz are scum).
I will continue to campaign to get GGQ lynched, he is the best option for today. However, I'm not an idiot, if it comes down to macpo and protact or macpo and sandroba then of course I'll vote macpo.
Everyone should vote GGQ though. Stop splitting the friggin vote. You prefer macpo over sandro or protac, and you have a large number of players saying off macpo. With this much red read by MULTIPLE PLAYERS who are well respected we should be heading where they aim. Jackal is on 3 scum lists and I believe he is a higher profile red to remove than macpo, however given the amount of work provided in analysis on macpo I would understand and support his lynch. Get off ggq, we can let a vig handle him or lynch him tommorrow.
Alright fuck it. Apparently those untouchable gods of the game have decreed macpo is scum and must die. Pardon me for trying to get what I believe a surer scum lynched.
Voting macpo as the gods demand, they clearly know what's right.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 17 2012 14:57 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 14:37 kitaman27 wrote:On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote:
2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack.
So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day. Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy. ##Vote L ...I'm sorry, but don't jacks get two ability uses, and only able to use each ability once? And your saying knowing if a vig hit was targeted at a mafia would be bad for a mafia and a waste of a jack power to use it to protect the mafia? Or am I just reading this wrong...if you could just clarify what you're trying to say here....because I think it'd be far better for the mafia to if they protected one of there own, and try and roleblock someone else during the night...The vig would become a regular townie the next day. But I could be mistaken. Although it makes L trying to find out VE's "vig target" earlier more in line with what you were saying.
Essentially L's explanation is that it is more likely that kenpachi was saved by a Jack than it is that kurumi did not shoot kenpachi. However, this means that instead of roleblocking kurumi, they decided to waste one of their two joat abilities. This is not a logical move and my case is based on L unwilling to consider the alternatives.
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OK, I just arrived in Melbourne after a 12 hour drive for a funeral, so my appearances in the thread will be spotty... but I'm still committed to this damn game.
BM... what the shit man?
-You say Foolishness is one of your strongest town reads
-He even makes it into the 'townie' zone of your big list of names
-You even go as far as to say you wanted Foolishness in the mayor position
-Everyone acknowledges that town Foolishness is a WMD, especially post day 2
Annnd then you choose to incarcerate Lanaia on night 1.. who you labelled as scum?
Don't feed us that crap about trying to lower scum KP on the first night, i aint buying it
Why the hell wouldn't you have incarcerated foolishness?
Something here does not compute for me.
And you still haven't answered the question I asked you earlier.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 17 2012 14:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Foolishness I'm kinda dissapointed. Your case against me is based around meta. Yeah it's true, I've never tunneled anyone hardcore like I'm doing with GGQ right now, does that necessaily make me scum? You don't think GGQ is scum, however incog/protact agrees with me. So what am I doing then? By your logic I'm a hyperaggressive scum trying to mislynch a townie, thats nothing like my scum meta (feeling free to use this since you brought it up as part of your case).
If you use incog's logic, I'm scum bussing a teammate. But what's my next move? My red list largely agrees with both yours, if I suddenly back off any of them it'll be super obvious. If I'm scum then I'm locked into bussing my own team for the next several days (given that you, me, and incog all think macpo and opz are scum).
I will continue to campaign to get GGQ lynched, he is the best option for today. However, I'm not an idiot, if it comes down to macpo and protact or macpo and sandroba then of course I'll vote macpo.
Everyone should vote GGQ though.
99% of any argument I have ever made against someone is based off of meta. The hyper-aggressiveness is not helping the town, and gives you something to do all game, instead of voicing opinions on anyone else. I don't care if your scum bussing a teammate; those arguments are irrelevant to me. If your actions indicate you might be mafia, I'm going to say so. It's not like I have everyone perfect on my list there (I listed more than 9 people anyways).
On January 17 2012 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Foolishness -_-
While I respect your post greatly, and agree with more than a few of your reads (BM primarily, as you are right, he is at the helm and should be doing far more to help with direction), but your portion regarding me I feel is incorrect. I usually don't start posting much until I have firm reads, and more information where I can actually back things up. Also, almost every game I'm in with a large number of players I don't even start posting proper til day 3/4. I've already built cases I feel warrant attention, and while you point out sheth pointing out me, this was simply because I called him out for instariding Incog/Mystlord, with the most amazing defense of "Other people were doing it and your only calling me out for it?"
But I gives a shit as of right now.
fine, read below.
On January 17 2012 14:51 L wrote:
RE: Foolishness
Your post called 1/3rd to 1/2 of the players in the game mafia, depending on how you define 'random inactives'. Slinging shit at nearly everyone in the game isn't what I recall your town play to be like, and its generally EV- as far as positive town play goes.
Right now 1/4 of the players are mafia. I listed 11 of which I'm (as well as every other competent townie are) sure are mafia. I'm obviously not perfect, and there are always random inactives that turn out to be mafia.
You three are all missing one of the biggest parts of my posts though. That post was not about why I think you three individually are mafia. If I wanted to do that, I'd write up a nice juicy analysis, not just spew out a few sentences about you. That post is about town direction, cause so far this game there has been none. Multiple competent people have all done analysis, and by combining it all and realizing the common elements among all the suspects I provided us with a direction in which to go with. Notice how these competent players have all agreed with me so far and I didn't even throw out names in my post.
Incognito even directly said that he doesn't agree with some of my reads. That's cool and all, but he's not stressing it nor writing paragraphs about it. Wanna know why? Cause that's not the point of my post. We have a solid lynch target today, and we have plenty of plenty of leads starting tomorrow. Right now we need to organize town direction. If you don't like one of my suspects that wait until it's actually relevant to argue with me/others about it, cause right now you are just cluttering up the thread even more.
At the time I'm writing this, the 3 of you have not voted for Macpo. And by not voting for him you are hurting the town. I'd actually be fine killing GGQ based on what is said about him, but all the competent players this game think Macpo is the better lynch today. Thus we kill Macpo.
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Wow BC, what was that about splitting the vote? You say yourself you would support a lynch of macpo however you think Jackal is a higher priority lynch. Great I feel the same way about GGQ. I voted macpo so we could have some consolidation AT YOUR REQUEST and then you go vote Jackal. WTF man, how about some consistency.
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Foolishness
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On January 17 2012 15:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Wow BC, what was that about splitting the vote? You say yourself you would support a lynch of macpo however you think Jackal is a higher priority lynch. Great I feel the same way about GGQ. I voted macpo so we could have some consolidation AT YOUR REQUEST and then you go vote Jackal. WTF man, how about some consistency.
We don't have enough evidence against Jackal at this point. I'm still defending my position that he's town. We have plenty of better targets anyways.
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still hoping he posts something else till then at least.
##vote Macpo
On January 17 2012 13:47 Bill Murray wrote:
They're on page 14
Forgot about that did it manually, should be up to date till jaj22 or other replacements show up.
I'll try that tomorrow if flamewheel doesn't.
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also this people.
On January 17 2012 06:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On January 17 2012 06:05 evantrees wrote:
To make certain. Does the double lynch happens the day after it is voted to be enacted or is it enacted the same day?
This means on the next day everyone gets two votes to distribute between two different people.
sorry went with visibility over proper formatting.
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On January 17 2012 15:03 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 14:57 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 17 2012 14:37 kitaman27 wrote:On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote:
2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack.
So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day. Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy. ##Vote L ...I'm sorry, but don't jacks get two ability uses, and only able to use each ability once? And your saying knowing if a vig hit was targeted at a mafia would be bad for a mafia and a waste of a jack power to use it to protect the mafia? Or am I just reading this wrong...if you could just clarify what you're trying to say here....because I think it'd be far better for the mafia to if they protected one of there own, and try and roleblock someone else during the night...The vig would become a regular townie the next day. But I could be mistaken. Although it makes L trying to find out VE's "vig target" earlier more in line with what you were saying. Essentially L's explanation is that it is more likely that kenpachi was saved by a Jack than it is that kurumi did not shoot kenpachi. However, this means that instead of roleblocking kurumi, they decided to waste one of their two joat abilities. This is not a logical move and my case is based on L unwilling to consider the alternatives.
I disagree. Makes more sense to protect, than to roleblock.
"Jack
You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away. "
But again, this is extraneous, and we should not continue arguing about it. I already know the downsides of one or the other. I just don't like your reasoning on it.
Actually. I have an aside here. I'm confused by the Jack role now.
"Jack
You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away. "
Doesn't the first bolded part contradict the second bolded part?
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@Foolishness, you really didn't respond to my points, you just said "I use meta" and then fail to explain how my actions indicate I'm mafia. You failed to address either of the scenarios I put forth. Oh and your line about being hyper aggressive gives me something to do all game, you fail to factor in that I have been and will be hyper aggressive towards player you think are scum. You may not think that hyper aggression is good for the town (normally I would agree however at the moment I feel it's warranted, hence my behavior) however you can't argue that I'm pushing a scum agenda because my reads largely line up with yours.
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I'm going to vote macpo because he does feel scummy. As well as everything everyone else has said.
I'm really not sure if I want to vote for a double lynch right now. The majority of my townreads have so, maybe I should consider it.
What are the benefits of this? We know it is very possible something ridiculous like what happened in the 80p game has the potential to happen at some point (but it would be stupid). We have a chance to either get rid of two scum if all goes well, or a scum and a lurker if all also goes well. Isn't it prone to manipulation more than a single lynch is?
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On January 17 2012 15:22 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 15:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Wow BC, what was that about splitting the vote? You say yourself you would support a lynch of macpo however you think Jackal is a higher priority lynch. Great I feel the same way about GGQ. I voted macpo so we could have some consolidation AT YOUR REQUEST and then you go vote Jackal. WTF man, how about some consistency. We don't have enough evidence against Jackal at this point. I'm still defending my position that he's town. We have plenty of better targets anyways.
I don't know if I made it clear, this was directed at BC's vote he just cast. Since I'm on my itouch I couldn't copy it over to post. If you want my personal read on Jackal I'd have to reread his filter, he hasn't jumped out at me the way others have.
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Foolishness
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On January 17 2012 15:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@Foolishness, you really didn't respond to my points, you just said "I use meta" and then fail to explain how my actions indicate I'm mafia. You failed to address either of the scenarios I put forth. Oh and your line about being hyper aggressive gives me something to do all game, you fail to factor in that I have been and will be hyper aggressive towards player you think are scum. You may not think that hyper aggression is good for the town (normally I would agree however at the moment I feel it's warranted, hence my behavior) however you can't argue that I'm pushing a scum agenda because my reads largely line up with yours.
I haven't seen any of your other reads, all you talk about is GGQ. If you have a post where you talk about your other reads please refer me to it cause I don't see one.
Anyways, I'm really the only one who has been suspicious of you, surely we both agree that for the sake of the town we can save this debate for a later point in time.
On January 17 2012 15:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 15:22 Foolishness wrote:On January 17 2012 15:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Wow BC, what was that about splitting the vote? You say yourself you would support a lynch of macpo however you think Jackal is a higher priority lynch. Great I feel the same way about GGQ. I voted macpo so we could have some consolidation AT YOUR REQUEST and then you go vote Jackal. WTF man, how about some consistency. We don't have enough evidence against Jackal at this point. I'm still defending my position that he's town. We have plenty of better targets anyways. I don't know if I made it clear, this was directed at BC's vote he just cast. Since I'm on my itouch I couldn't copy it over to post. If you want my personal read on Jackal I'd have to reread his filter, he hasn't jumped out at me the way others have.
Yeah I know, it was more of a response to BC and me affirming with what you said.
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