EPTYou are Scum.
I'm pretty sure it's easy to infer the message for town
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heist
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You are Scum. I'm pretty sure it's easy to infer the message for town | ||
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On July 25 2011 13:33 redFF wrote: erm because he said that the 3 objects were all horcruxes and the elder wand is the only stick horcrux i know of? Apparently you aren't knowledgeable enough. It's deathly hollows, not horcruxes. But ya, this is pretty general knowledge if you've read the books. | ||
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heist
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Kill him right now, no need to use up the lynch. If Jackal is the lynch, it's insanely easy for the mafia to hide behind their vote for Jackal. On July 25 2011 13:09 Amber[LighT] wrote: I would be in support of a YM or Jackal lynch. I'm fairly certain YM is not scum if Jackal flips red. He had to have known that killing ON would turn the town against Jackal. Why would scum allow YM to kill ON especially as ON was basically powerless? Also if he was scum, I feel he would have used the stealth kill instead and remain role hidden. | ||
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ON's role post tells him to try and kill Harry Potter. I find it extremely hard to believe that a townie would be given instructions to kill someone in their exact same alignment ESPECIALLY as these two roles were deliberately created with the other mind. I believe deconduo placed Harry and Voldemort at opposing alignments. If Deconduo truly randomized the alignment of these two roles, why would he include that statement to kill Harry Potter? He would not have created Voldemort's role with wording that clearly has alignment in mind if he was just gonna randomize it. "You are Voldemort, and you are on a mission to kill Harry Potter and keep him from uniting the three Deathly Hallows. Each item you or Harry Potter obtain will grant the holder a power, but unfortunately you can only use one item per night." Can it be flavour text? Why is it so explicit for a flavour text? It's not telling him to merely compete with Harry Potter for night abilities, but to try and kill him. Just because it's not flavour text DOES NOT make it redundant. Redundant would be "you are on a mission to kill scum". His role provides him with a crucial clue: it provides him with the role name of a mafia/3rd party. Lucky for us, Jackal was happy enough to oblige and reveal his role. ON does not have a separate win condition, he shares his win condition with the rest of the town: to kill all scum. His role provides a clue, and it would be very imprudent to ignore it just because jackal's behavior doesn't match. I know I'm not going off behavior, but I feel like ON's role reveal is something too good to be passed on. I'd love to hear what jackal has to say. | ||
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On July 26 2011 04:45 syllogism wrote: So you are admitting the role is likely confirmed. What exactly will mafia/third party supersoft do with his alignment checking role that town is forcing him to use? At worst we will be mislead, but we are always free to ignore his checks. At best he gives us red today. There's no risk at all unless it's a gambit and they are ALL red. Agree. If flip turns out red, then we lynch. If green, we take it as a grain of salt and potentially have a confirmed townie if supersoft is ever killed and flipped green. Also, either we kill jackal or we don't, but if we aren't, then I really think we should give him the stone and tell him to protect supersoft. | ||
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On July 26 2011 04:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So let me get this straight, He finds a red, we lynch and go yay yay. If finds a green, announces it to thread, and then mafia kill confirmed town? How about we confirm SS, he then uses his power and only say, speaks up. It also requires, every single person in a day to do this with him, bulks up a thread to make it hard to read, and then him to accurately pick someone to check. Also you want to give another unconfirmed player a power? What is your deal this game. You have no way to make jackal prot SS. SS gets shot and flips town, jackal says "i proted him, he must have been double stacked" Jesus, do you people think at all? Role does not equal alignment. People who use kp related roles as town should be penalized. People who have roles that require manipulating a town to get power (see jackals role before he claimed), or people who seemingly require votes to use a power and are acting like trollbate to get it. You do not help these people, you make them useless. If they are sk or mafia they get gimped. If they are town they should understand and start analyzing players. This is not "lets use everyones powers and figure out who has what and then figure out who is red/sk" This is lets figure out whos mafia/sk. Trying to confirm someone based on potential use of a role that was claimed by them (could still be slightly different, hell the alignment could be different). I do not understand why we should be waiting till after SS is confirmed to take advantage of his role. First of all, I think there are far better dt check targets than SS. Second, it's pointless to wait for SS to be confirmed. His dt checks will be targets whether he's confirmed or not. We will be just wasting a day to get someone's alignment. Mafia KP is the same, if it's not the target it would have been someone else. But also remember having a confirmed townie not only focuses mafia KP but also protection roles. I say we abuse his role till he dies and do our utmost to protect him. The stone is the least helpful to the mafia. They can't predict who people will be shooting. And I sincerely hope people won't be vigi shooting people in the night. If we really want someone killed we can force jackal to give back the stone. This way at least SS gets an extra layer of protection. | ||
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Look think about it like this. 1. If we don't use the SS alignment check, then we get no "semi-confirmed" townie. Someone dies to Mafia KP anyways as mafia KP is not affected. 2. If we do use it, AT WORST CASE SCENARIO, this "semi-confirmed" townie dies. Worst case scenario, in both situations: dead townie, no confirmed townie alive. Best case scenario, if we don't use SS: dead townie, no confirmed townie alive. Best case scenario, if we do use SS: dead townie, confirmed townie alive. OR BETTER YET medic protects the confirmed townie wasting mafia KP. If we don't use the alignment check it'll be like the mafia killing the "semi-confirmed" anyways. | ||
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At this point, I am just completely uncertain about jackal. If we are willing to give jackal the benefit of the doubt, don't leave him completely powerless. Give him the stone. How does this help mafia night 1? No townies should be shooting each other in the night at this point. Mafia can not predict who the SK will be killing. If we are willing to trust him enough to not kill him, the stone has a lot of upside for town if jackal is town and very miniscule downside if he's mafia. We can always force him to give it back after night 1. | ||
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Just the stone. He cant threaten anyone with the stone. And i doubt town will be announcing who their killing. If that happens and town agrees on a night kill, we TAKE THE STONE. | ||
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 Medic Power iS very low night 1.While the upside of giving Jackal, the town, Medic Power iS very advantageous. | ||
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On July 26 2011 04:50 heist wrote: Agree. If flip turns out red, then we lynch. If green, we take it as a grain of salt and potentially have a confirmed townie if supersoft is ever killed and flipped green. Also, either we kill jackal or we don't, but if we aren't, then I really think we should give him the stone and tell him to protect supersoft. | ||
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