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I will make one if no one who has been around longer does. Also I will just say I don't care who notasmurf is and neither should anyone else. If you really want to bug him then send him pms about it. Don't spam the thread up discussing his identity. | ||
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Pms are a much more powerful town tool than they are a mafia one. The mafia can already work as a team so they don't need pms and the mafia has a ton of information to hide. The only thing any town needs to hide right now really is their role. It is much more likely for the mafia to slip something that you can use than it is for you to slip something they can use. So I encourage people to be active with using pms. Just A) don't ever trust anyone or believe everything they tell you and B) don't ever role claim. Even if you are VT you should never role claim, it just makes it easier for the mafia to narrow down their targets if they are trying to blue snipe. | ||
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It should be more of a concern that gtrs is randomly claiming VT for no reason. | ||
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Seriously do not claim VT ever it is incredibly stupid and damages the town. | ||
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On July 18 2011 17:52 Pyo wrote: Do you really think that everyone is going to read every single post in detail - especially super long posts - in a 40-person game where half of the players have been described as "newbs" ? All people are going to do is skim a post get a feel for whether it is pro-town or not. And as has been declared by some people, they think you're pro-town. I, however, disagree as mafia often make those long policy like guidance posts at the start of games. If people actually want to play the game well they will read every post. Many good players will read the entire thread multiple times. I know you didn't explicitly state that you don't read every post, but it sounds like you don't. And really there is no excuse for not reading every post at this point in the game. There are only about 7 pages since pre game. The thread is not moving quickly at all for a game of this size. | ||
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On July 18 2011 20:56 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Ok this is what happens: Mig asks for a list, knowing that giving lists is a way for mafia to blend in and that lists are generally a scum tell. Coag replies Coag gets fossed and bandwagoned mig dissapears... People that are accusing Coag are accusing the wrong guy i think. Ah I see. So apparently I asked for a veteran list to be made, so the new town players would know who everyone was and what they were working with (what a sick anti town motivation), so that whomever did make the list would be accused of being scum and bandwagoned on. I would then disappear and laugh as he took all the blame for the list. I even took the risk of saying I would write the list myself if no one else would. What a tricky guy I must be. | ||
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On July 18 2011 21:31 youngminii wrote: ok halt i'm voting for mig based on a very short pm conversation i had with him which lasted 3 pms in total that's just dumb Huh what is dumb about what I said lol? Mafia should be much more afraid of pms than town. I don't think townies should be afraid of pms at all. They are a tool used to help determine other peoples alignments. Which the mafia don't need to use and risk giving up information if they do. | ||
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On July 18 2011 21:46 youngminii wrote: 90% of pm games i've played town got destroyed because they relied on pms too much, there's a reason people don't like pm games you cannot comment on pm games if you haven't played them, yes they may seem good for town on paper but if you form a pm circle with just one mafia then you're just absolutely screwed mig should be good enough to know this, if a newer player had said what he pm'd me i'd just dismiss it as a newbie thing but there's no way an experienced player would ever say something like that So you are really arguing that pms are naturally mafia favored? Really? Then why are mason's even a town power role in normal games? Clearly pms favor town. Can town's be destroyed if they used them wrong? Of course. So can stupid Vigs. That doesn't mean Vigs are bad for the town. I am actually laughing at your argument, it is so ridiculous. As long as townies don't auto trust everyone and don't give out their role how can it possibly be bad to gain extra information by talking to people? And that isn't even mentioning being able to form town circles once there are confirmed townies. Just lol. | ||
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I was going to post that conversation as well super. Notice how he first claims to not even be reading the thread to see where we repeatedly said claiming vt was bad, yet he knew that kenpachi and gtrsrs had claimed VT. He then proceeds to call me mafia after I yelled at him. I tell him to go ahead and push for my lynch then if he thinks I am mafia. He responds by saying no he isn't going to do that because I am the only person to write to him. | ||
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Along with that his defense of Super is very suspicious. The only reason he gives for defending him is that he feels he is newb town instead of newb scum. So basically he is defending him just purely on a hunch, he provides 0 evidence or any real reasoning for his conclusion. Yet despite the fact that he has virtually no way to tell if Super is new town instead of new scum he posts with extreme conviction. He defends him very strongly and attacks curu like mad just because he is targeting Super. This is extremely strange behavior for a townie, considering they don't know everyone's alignment and with the information he has Super should look very scummy. But it makes perfect sense for mafia to strongly defend someone they know is town to A) buy town cred and B) attempt to get the town to mislynch tomorrow by targeting the people who made the case against Super. So because of his change in meta, lack of content and the extremely suspicious way he has defended Super I am switching my vote from Super to Redff. ##unvote supersoft ##vote Redff | ||
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On July 19 2011 22:32 youngminii wrote: I have a hunch that redFF is innocent. I have a hunch, that like supersoft, town is just bandwagoning on a bad townie. Why? Well because they're the easiest people to lynch, they look guilty so they lynch him. Meanwhile the really guilty guys get away hands clean. Instead of spending your time going against redFF or supersoft, PLEASE take a look at RoL. He has done NOTHING and has lurked. Seriously, try and remember this: RoL is the guy that hosted a game with a mechanic to punish lurkers. Some of you guys want to policy lynch supersoft. Isn't lynching RoL the same? A policy lynch for lurking when he apparently 'hates' lurking? disclaimer: whether or not supersoft/redff will flip green or red doesn't matter to me, the fact is i believe rol is scummier than both of them put together multiplied by the distance of the earth to the moon Is RoL lurking or is he straight not playing? There is a big difference. Right now he is on pace to be mod killed. So why vote for him? If he comes in and posts a couple times just to slide by then I agree but right now voting for him is a waste. | ||
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On July 19 2011 22:47 Pyo wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps pressuring me to start accusing people. Sure there are suspicious people. About half the people in the game haven't really posted much of anything. We've got a bunch of people throwing out 4+ simultaneous accusations. You've been happy-go-lucky PM spamming. Cluttering up the thread with a million and one accusations is dumb. The 3 big fos's are supersoft, redff, and myself. I know I'm town. As I just said above redff seems to be almost too spammy to be mafia, and as for supersoft: Pyo you understand the point of the game for town is to lynch mafia right? That means you should be searching for something suspicious for you to place your vote on. Abstaining and not voting helps no one but mafia. Not only are you not helping find scum but you are giving the town 0 information about your alignment. How exactly is the town supposed to know you are town when you do 0 scum hunting and refuse to cast a relevant vote? | ||
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On July 19 2011 23:30 ghrur wrote: God I feel so neglected. You all suck, except for Drazerk. Vote for freaking wiggles. )=< I thought your case against wiggles was good ghrur. But I think the case against pyo or redff is stronger right now. | ||
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The only thing I worry about is the lack of information we will gain from it. Along with kavdragon raising a good point we have no shot at lowering the mafia kp by killing VE. Still though probably best to just kill a confirmed scum. ##unvote redff ##vote VE Normally I encourage vigs to hold off on their shots this early in the game but there are a lot of very very good targets right now for them. So if vigs shoot tonight shoot between redff/nisani/pyo. I really hope someone kills redff. | ||
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VE I don't believe you are town. Your play so far has been identical to your RTM mafia play. You did absolutely 0 scum hunting before wiggles called you out. You just lurked while providing nothing for the town. Very very different from your normal town play. I also think CB and Kav are likely traitors as well. The point nazgul made about kav is very strong. There is little reason Kav would ask people not to kill VE and then go and try to fish for information by talking to him. It seems much more likely that kav was legitimately trying to save him because he is also a traitor. So right now I want red/VE/kav/CB dead. Red/VE/Kav as the main 3. | ||
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On July 20 2011 11:34 CreamyButter wrote: I'm pretty sure both of us being II is the only situation that is not actually possible. Why you could easily be altering the PM to try and save yourself if VE flips II. | ||
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I don't know if you are telling the truth or lying but clearly VE/CB are much more important targets atm. So meh. | ||
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Then mafia had 3 kp and there were 3 3rd party kp. So considering only 5 people died there is 2 kp missing. Does anyone want to claim the crjninja kill? | ||
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As for the clues themselves I don't really know. After looking at them the best I could come up with was. Curu was shocked to death by the floor - Visceraeyes is the name of a mars volta album. Volta = volt = shock I searched for crowbar. Crowbar can refer to a canadian band also a canadian drink. Wiggles is the only living canadian. Both those things are definitely a stretch tho. I will keep looking to see if I can find anything better. | ||
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I was only part of 2 QTs I never logged in while visiting any of them. And I visited both of them from my desktop, laptop, phone. I am currently trying to test what exactly will change the unique visitor count. Does anyone want to help me with this? If we can establish that visiting qts from different computers doesn't change the unique visitor count then I fully support killing both me and wiggles/ unless either of us has a role which can confirm itself. | ||
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I posted as Mig unregistered on 3 different computers and it did not change the unique viewer count. I then logged in as Mig on all 3 and posted and it did change it by 1? Can someone create another qt and pm me it so I can test again in case I fucked something up. | ||
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So what I know for sure is you get a unique visitor every time someone unregistered posts under a unique name. And if any registered account just looks at the thread it increases the unique visitor count. But there is a way to increase the unique viewers even using less accounts if you are switching between computers. But I don't know what is causing it. | ||
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Hopefully RoL is the joker and we can eliminate all of the third party in 1 shot. ##Vote RebirthOfLeGenD | ||
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Naz makes a very good point. Would it be better for us to try and remove KP that is guaranteed anti town or have the guaranteed removal of neutral kp. I really wish we knew who RoL shot yesterday, because if he shot Curu/syllo/notasmurf then he is clearly using his kp in an anti town way. Btw I don't think it was a vig that shot RoL. If a vig shot RoL then 8 kp could have potentially been used last night, 3 mafia, 3rd party, 2 vigs. Only 5 people died and decon/rol claiming hits. It seems a lot more likely to me that one of the third parties shot RoL and couldn't kill him, like Ras shooting Joker. That would account for all of the missing kp. | ||
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Regardless of RoL's pm activity I really doubt he has done anything at all to help the town. So I certainly agree his play is not town like. But it seems unlikely to me that he would ever fake claim a hit as mafia right now. Seems 100x more likely he is 3rd party. And so we have to decide whether killing a 3rd party is more important than lowering mafia kp which is guaranteed to be directed at town. | ||
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Nisani has done virtually 0 scum hunting and contributed absolutely nothing to the town this game. While repeatedly talking about how much work he is putting into his graph (which no one will ever get to see). A common scum tell is to talk about what analysis they are providing the town without every actually producing any. If that weren't enough look at these posts. On July 20 2011 02:09 Nisani201 wrote: Unless there's something I've missed (which is unlikely because I read through the thread 3x as slowly as I input everything into my node graph), the only evidence against redFF that isn't related to supersoft is the fact that he posts a lot of spam, which isn't enough to warrant a lynch at all. On July 20 2011 01:54 Nisani201 wrote: I really don't think we should be voting for redFF today. Most of the evidence against him has to do with supersoft, therefore lynching supersoft first will give us more information on him, and whether or not the lynch will be worth it. On July 19 2011 04:11 Nisani201 wrote: Supersoft has far too many scumtells to be ignored; however if he flips green then I would seriously consider lynching Curu D2, as he started the bandwagon. A) He strongly defends scum Redff, trying to repeatedly push the lynch off of him. B) He tries to get supersoft lynched with the reasoning that it will give us more information ( I am sure if we lynched supersoft and he flipped green he would have used that to defend red) C) The worst thing by far is he calls supersoft incredibly scummy but then says that we should lynch curu if super flips green. Remember this is the exact same strategy redff was using. Red was strongly attacking curu so that when super flipped green he could use that to try and get the town to mislynch curu day2. Also after he made this post syllo called him out on it and he completely disappeared from the thread. Nisani has provided nothing to the town while promising analysis that we will never see. Defended and tried to push the lynch off of a confirmed scum. And he used the same strategy as Redff in trying to prepare a mislynch of curu day 2, despite the fact that he himself called Super scummy. ##vote Nisani | ||
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Decon I am sure you figured out half the scum team and all the third partys from day 1 clues. Have you read any of the other clue games? Most games no one is even caught by the clues..... You did not catch everyone in the game from day 1 clues lol. The clues are meant to be ridiculously vague at the start of the game just so things like that don't happen. So as far as I am concerned the points against me are honeypot - which the data is not accurate, decons clue which is completely nonsensical because there is 0 chance you are catching people from day 1 clues. And then the fact that I voted VE. Yea I voted VE but I made a strong case against red before (when it would have made no sense for the mafia to do so) and then I gave my reasons for switching to VE, which I still think were correct. And you want to lynch me for VE when I made a good case for why I voted him when people like nisani and YM not only did not vote red but actively defended him lol...... Also YM your reasoning towards palmar is so awful its hilarious. You honestly think CB is third party? Use some common sense. Do you think a third party would fake claim II to VE? I mean what purpose would that possibly serve? And it would put himself hugely at risk. Almost certainly CB is II, there is about a 0% chance he is 3rd party. RoL on the other hand is almost guaranteed 3rd party. Because there is no reason for mafia to lie about being medic protected and mafia would not have survived a shot last night. RoL is a third party who was shot and tried to claim he was protected in case a vig claimed shooting him. | ||
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Btw if I am the ring leader why are you voting palmar instead of me? | ||
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Here is a pm I sent to wiggles yesterday listing my reasons I thought YM was scummy. hmm I think YM is super scummy. How exactly is he contributing and stating his opinions? The main thing I see from him is just him attacking RoL repeatedly (a very easy target) he barely comments on other things. Usually when he is town I see a lot of aggression and attacks from him I am not seeing him attack anyone besides rol this game. Then looking at specific posts. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299¤tpage=40#797 Read Red's ridiculously poor defense of himself. His defense was so bad but it was apparently good enough to instantly convince YM that he was town. Also I like how he says scum can't be that bad but he had no problem voting for super earlier even though super had played insanely terrible. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299¤tpage=40#792 lynching anyone at this point gies no information about anyone. Uh lol. He then tries to make a case that lynching RoL gives us information lol. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299¤tpage=37#721 hunch that redff is town eh, then says bad players are the easiest to lynch so they shouldn't be lynched? But then goes after RoL who isn't even posting in the thread to defend himself lol. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299¤tpage=26#515 Redff was attacking curu so hard almost certainly because he knew Super was green and wanted to try and push a mislynch of curu day 2 if super was killed. YM uses the same strategy here just adding something so that he could attack curu later on. My last point would be Ym and redff are 2 of the only people to refuse to pm with me. The mafia are much more likely to be scared to pm and answer my questions in comparison to townies. | ||
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But no need to argue about it and clutter the thread up anymore. | ||
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Nazgul the 10 year owner of TL comes in and cheats in his first mafia game lol. | ||
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So can we say 100% that palmar is town now? For the love of god medics protect palmar tonight. Hopefully batman isn't dumb enough to actually shoot him lol. | ||
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But I just want to add. I told people over and over again honeypot was not accurate. How many people used honeypot as their main reason for trying to lynch me? Quite a few of you. | ||
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Palmar is one of the final votes killing redff yesterday Palmar leads the push against YM when there were like 8 votes on nisani. YM now tries a desperation play to get batman to shoot him. Why the fuck would he do this if palmar is actually mafia? Does he really want batman to shoot his own teammate? | ||
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On July 23 2011 10:21 ghrur wrote: Yeah, but why didn't he confirm one of his teammates or randomly aim into the lurkers? Btw, did you ever get the unregistered/registered thing to work out? The point of the plan is for batman to shoot whomever they claim about. So they won't risk batman shooting a team mate by confirming him. And there is no reason to try and direct batman's hit into the lurkers. It just doesn't make sense really. Because for one thing they wouldn't have shot some random lurker anyway so it would be an obvious lie. By switching between 3 computers and 2 different registered accounts I was able to make the unique viewers rise just by switching back and forth between them. I am not 100% sure how it works but that is what I was able to do. Ok also people look at jackal. A) he votes nisani instead of YM and B) he was one of the confirmed greens from nas because he told him about the leaks in unique views. There is a very decent chance that if 1 mafia spotted it he would tell the other mafia so they could both claim it to nas to build trust. | ||
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On July 23 2011 12:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: just a general message: mods have a "filter" button on every poster which allows them to view every post made by that user in the thread. gonna get that introduced for regular users on mafia forum only. I felt bad for you guys. This will make it so so much easier to play these big games where you lose the all button in 2 days. Will be a massive improvement. | ||
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A) palmar in one of the last people to vote on red and assure he dies B) There are 8 people on nisani 0 on ym. Palmar goes nuts in IRC and fucking hounds every person who enters to switch to YM. He single handedly got YM killed. And this is with mafia KP on the line. This was an incredibly important lynch for them C) Mafia then comes out and creates a fake case for why batman should shoot him. If mafia had actually worked out this insane plan to build palmar town cred would they risk making this case against him and having batman shoot him? Making it all a waste? I mean what are the possible odds that this was all some massive mafia scheme just to buy insane town cred for palmar. And if we do this it has to be almost gg. None of the dts are dead we will have so many confirmed townies it will be impossible for mafia to go through them all. | ||
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But look if people want to not claim to palmar then fine, I don't really care. No point in arguing it when a ton of people are always going to say no regardless. | ||
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I would be fine with all 5 of the players listed dying but here is the order of importance for killing them 1. Amber - Amber actually contributed more as a dog in PTP. His posts day 1 were 100% about game mechanics then day 2 he posted one awful analysis. He has done absolutely nothing this game, lurked as scum in the past, and if you look at the one analysis he did do it is full of logic errors (common scum forced analysis trait). 2. Jackal - Has done 0 scum hunting, at least in the thread. Voted nisani without even discussing YM. Also the fact that both him and YM pointed out honeypot to nota makes him more suspicious. 3. Zona - Been completely useless. I am not real familiar with Zona's meta but as a vet he should be contributing much much more. Many of Zona's posts are on game mechanics and provide no help to the town. Along with that zona voted for ym without very good reasoning late in the day when it would be easy for scum to bandwagon on. 4. Kavdragon - was part of the infiltrated honeypot, has not contributed much this game. But YM subtly implied to naz in a pm that nota's death might have implicated Kav. So I am willing to put him lower on the list of my suspicions. 5. Wiggles - I have thought wiggles wasn't town most of the game actually. He also defended YM several times in thread and pm and he voted Nisani instead of YM. However every time YM posted saying I should be lynched he mentioned honeypot. The main 2 people that were implicated in honeypot were myself/wiggles. If YM had gotten me lynched, I would have flipped town and so he would have been forced to push for wiggles lynch next. This is basically the only real strong thing to defend wiggles there is but it seems important to me. If wiggles/ym were actually both scum I think YM would have told wiggles about honeypot so he could tell notasmurf and not be implicated by it. So for now I think wiggles is at least not scum, he could still easily be third party. Besides those guys I think Prpl/Pyo/Lucidity/Sevryn should be viggd/killed/dt checked. | ||
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3rd parties - RoL/Decon/Wiggles | ||
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RoL trying to level the town multiple times to trick lucid into trusting him while still lynching him. Or Notasmurf's honeypot where he ended up concluding 2 townies had to be scum and 2 scum were guaranteed town haha. | ||
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On July 31 2011 01:07 TheAwesomeAll wrote: GG, why didnt that medic protect me You and draz were too busy protecting palmar lol | ||
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