BC's Arkham Asylum - Page 55

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

July 20 2011 03:46 GMT

#1081

Right, sorry bout waiting his long, but it thought it necessary. Firstly, I will say that I've been wanting to claim II since before the game, as I thought it an interesting way to draw mafia and other undesirables into a trap. Unfortunetly, Mr.Wiggles outed VE before I actually pulled this off. Ironically, I was going to claim to VE then, and do what CB did, but CB did it first again. Unrelenting, I decided to try it myself to see what I could get.

I told notasmurf of my intentions before hand (of course, I didn't actually tell a second person as I told notasmurf I did. That would have doubled my chance of telling mafia of my gambit and making it worthless.) + Show Spoiler +

Original Message From notasmurf:
Just don't post the claim in Public and I'm cool with it.

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Now. On to explaining my actions:

The real purpose was multifaceted in nature: Primarily it was to see if any mafia would contact me. The secondary objective was to see if VE would out me, though I would have been surprised if he had. (As regardless of my proformance in IM, would another II _really_ claim after what happened to CB?) Still, I tried my best, and was rewarded by this PM.

Original Message From ghrur:
Hello red friend. Mind giving me a role list?

When I first received this, it made me suspicious of him, but looking at the events of the lynch, I'd say that this is actually a strong indication of town alignment. If mafia were going to contact someone who they thought was and II, they would have contacted them with RedFF cause he was in the most danger, and was going to die anyways. (Yes, it was close, but there was a good ten min that he could have contacted everyone claiming to be an II.)

To that end, I'd like to say that from my brief read over, everything that VE quoted about our conversation was correct. I don't deny any of what happened there.

If VE was an II, he would want to make up a PM and blame it on someone else. But he didn't make up both, so I doubt he made up both. It don't make sense. Looking at it from my perspective (or if you believe me) I looks very much like VE is town, and CB scum.

Any questions?

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

July 20 2011 03:46 GMT

#1082

Oh FFS stop talking about the Traitors so much. One of you Vigs shoot VE or CB and we find out what to do about the Traitors tomorrow after his flip.

Redirect efforts to finding Mafia now based on the information given from redFF's flip, go!

Mig

United States4714 Posts

July 20 2011 03:58 GMT

#1083

If you are telling the truth Kav your plan was extremely poorly planned out. Your defense of VE in the thread makes you extremely suspicious. All you have really done is distract the town and bring a ton of suspicion onto yourself. Telling notasmurf about your plan helps but you told someone who has contributed almost nothing in thread to the town. It is plausible that mafia could risk one of their members to vouch for you in thread if they felt the chances of you dying were low enough. There is really 0 reason for the town to trust either you or notasmurf.

I don't know if you are telling the truth or lying but clearly VE/CB are much more important targets atm. So meh.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

July 20 2011 04:09 GMT

#1084

On July 20 2011 12:58 Mig wrote:
If you are telling the truth Kav your plan was extremely poorly planned out. Your defense of VE in the thread makes you extremely suspicious. All you have really done is distract the town and bring a ton of suspicion onto yourself. Telling notasmurf about your plan helps but you told someone who has contributed almost nothing in thread to the town. It is plausible that mafia could risk one of their members to vouch for you in thread if they felt the chances of you dying were low enough. There is really 0 reason for the town to trust either you or notasmurf.

I don't know if you are telling the truth or lying but clearly VE/CB are much more important targets atm. So meh.

I would like to point out that not a single person voted for me, and I doubt that the mafia were desparate enough to pull one of their own to defend me, much less actually think that I was mafia, but w/e.

The the II thing is blowing up bigger than I thought it would, and I don't want it distracting us from scum hunting through analysis. So unless several people are calling for further explanations, I'll hold back from defending myself to avoid spamming the thread.

darmousseh

United States3437 Posts

July 20 2011 04:19 GMT

#1085

How's it going everyone?

Time to catch up.

darmousseh

United States3437 Posts

July 20 2011 04:34 GMT

#1086

So greens are town then or not?

BloodyC0bbler

Canada7875 Posts

July 20 2011 04:43 GMT

#1087

On July 20 2011 13:34 darmousseh wrote:
So greens are town then or not?

Greens and blue are town

Red is mafia

Black is third party.

Mr. Wiggles

Canada5894 Posts

July 20 2011 05:16 GMT

#1088

Hi Darm, nice to see you again. :p

RebirthOfLeGenD

USA5860 Posts

July 20 2011 05:36 GMT

#1089

On July 20 2011 10:10 redFF wrote:
ROLE LIST MEH

If this happened, I am leaving this game right now rofl

BloodyC0bbler

Canada7875 Posts

July 20 2011 05:38 GMT

#1090

On July 20 2011 14:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

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If this happened, I am leaving this game right now rofl

He wasn't given it dont worry.

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

July 20 2011 06:03 GMT

#1091

On July 20 2011 13:09 Kavdragon wrote:

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The last 20 pages have been about fake claiming via PMs trying to catch Insane Inmates. I'm trying to make sense of things but all I can see is that you, VE and CB are all doing weird shit in PM land.

A hit on VE is basically necessary at this point, we don't want all of Day 2 to be about VE/CB/Kav arguing with each other/defending each other.

RoL's STILL lurking, he basically lurked through all of Day 1. This irks me to no ends and if I had the power to kill him I would. I would kill him in a heartbeat.

Now that RedFF flipped red, I went over to look at the voting patterns. It looks like a mess in that voting thread because of VE, your fakeclaim claim had everyone switching votes and completely messed up anything that could have been analysed. Still, the thing that stands out the most from the voting thread is how supersoft tipped the vote tally towards red at the end and unless that was an EPIC bus (wouldn't surprise me considering how badly red's been playing) he's pretty safe in my opinion.

Now with 40 people there's going to be at least a few lurkers. The scummiest type of lurker is that type that fakes content though, and with that I present Deconduo.

Deconduo's play this game has been less than spectacular. 3/4 of his posts are just clarifying little mistakes and errors for other people. The other 1/4 is him telling people that they're voting wrong and then going on to vote Kurumi for:

On July 19 2011 10:10 deconduo wrote:
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My vote for today goes on Kurumi. Everyone else is at least making some effort to promote a non-spammy, pro-town environment. Trolling just degenerates the game and only helps mafia.

These are his only non-spam posts:

On July 19 2011 06:00 Kurumi wrote:
We don't need God's help, we just need vigis who can use their head and shoot freaking lurkers and herp derp flying under the radar superheroes.

Offering generic advice is a typical mafia move to look like they are doing something when in actuality they are not.

On July 19 2011 04:46 Kurumi wrote:

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I wont be able to do anything useful today , will be active tomorrow

On July 19 2011 04:25 Kurumi wrote:
Sorry but I won't be able to make something useful - I am really sorry for myself, but very happy about scum-hunt results. I think both bandwagons are leading into red lynch. More on that later. Please don't start food fights and other chaotic dumb things - atmosphere of town must be preserved.

Mafia typically feel guilty about being scum from the start. They tend to have a need to explain things and apologise. Note that supersoft has been doing this as well.

On July 18 2011 19:44 Kurumi wrote:
Palmar , I love You . The Coagulation thing is just a funny joke . I am on my smartphone not even in the middle of trip . CreamyButter is my best Lynch candidate for today . Things like " I wont make enough posts " detailed scum strategy ( why the fuck we need that ?) and stuff I will look at and talk about when I get a pc to use are scummy. Coag needs to post something useful .

More apologising, though he does point out that Creamy is doing the exact same thing as he is.

##Vote: Kurumi

Dude that looks like a placeholder vote to me. That's not even a pressure vote, it's just "hey I'm gonna put my vote over here, kthx".

Then you go and jump on red's bandwagon, I'm assuming you were bussing him. I'm gonna take a leap of faith here and assume most of his scum friends chose to bus him because his scum play is pretty terrible.

RebirthOfLeGenD

USA5860 Posts

July 20 2011 06:34 GMT

#1092

ym, what is your fascination with me?

RebirthOfLeGenD

USA5860 Posts

July 20 2011 06:34 GMT

#1093

literally like half your posts have to do with me.

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

July 20 2011 06:35 GMT

#1094

my fascination with you is that you are lurking when you KNOW that lurking only helps scum

you made an entire game with the premise of punishing lurkers

come on man

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

July 20 2011 08:00 GMT

#1095

Amazing. Well, I didn't alter the PMs from CB first of all, you need only look at his version of the PMs to see that HE is the one who has altered them (look at the Show Original Quote bits to see what I mean.) And his PM indicates that more were sent. I responded once to his PM, which I'm sharing now.
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To: CreamyButter [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: halp
Date: 7/20/11 05:02
Hint: don't go to Wiggles.

There's no way to know. Just play to your win condition. Try to lynch town and be among the mafia team that's left.

Original Message From CreamyButter:
Hi, im an insane inmate. Not sure how to prove it. Is there any way for you to figure out who mafia is and then tell them my name? Not sure how you would accomplish this, just PM scummy people? Idk, I mean they know you're red though so that should help. Hopefully I've PMed you before any fake claims to you. I'll be asleep for the next several hours, should wake up around 9:30 KST. Kthx

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I was admittedly intentionally vague and didn't give him an answer. The hint part was meant to be an ironic joke because this was sent after the conversation with Wiggles went live. I didn't believe his claim at all, but the fact that he had to alter it to defend himself absolutely LOCKS him in as II to me.

Kavdragon on the other hand.

Kavdragon made his claim the exact same way I made mine, only better. I'm thoroughly convinced he's telling the truth providing notasmurf comes on and confirms what he's saying.

Now, the obligatory appeal to logic. (AKA WIFOM INC)

The Plan: I came up with an ill-conceived gambit to get someone I suspected to be scum to admit that they were scum. I didn't tell anyone about my plan because I didn't trust anyone.

The Execution:

On July 20 2011 03:14 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
LOL, I'm so good I don't even need to scum hunt:

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[11:16] <VisceraEyes> Okay, so Joker or Ras? Inquiring minds want to know.

[11:17] <MrWiggles> Hmmm?
[11:17] <MrWiggles> Neither
[11:17] <MrWiggles> I just think about the set-up
[11:17] <VisceraEyes> Yes, I get that...but you also lurk bad.
[11:17] <VisceraEyes> 2 + 2 often equals 4.
[11:17] <MrWiggles> nah, I'm just not around when I don't post
[11:17] <VisceraEyes> Yeah, I feel that.
[11:18] <MrWiggles> Also, my posts are usually longer, not just one or two line
[11:18] <VisceraEyes> Part of why I favor a RoL lynch over you.
[11:20] <VisceraEyes> I get that your posts have SETUP content...but the case against you is very compelling. You literally haven't taken a stance on anyone.
[11:20] <MrWiggles> I have, just not in thread
[11:20] <VisceraEyes> And you don't strike me as the type to be 'afraid' to take a stand against anyone, scum OR Town.
[11:20] <VisceraEyes> Ah I see...so you're playing with people who are WORTH playing with.
[11:20] <VisceraEyes> Got it.
[11:21] <VisceraEyes> I'll leave you alone then.
[11:21] <MrWiggles> hmmm?
[11:21] <VisceraEyes>

[11:21] <MrWiggles> lol
[11:21] <MrWiggles> just discussing things
[11:21] <MrWiggles> it's day 1, most of the analysis is incorrect
[11:21] <VisceraEyes> So what kind of stances have you taken out of thread?
[11:21] <VisceraEyes> BTW, stances taken out of thread are not stances at all
[11:21] <VisceraEyes> Stances are for everyone to see
[11:21] <MrWiggles> RoL is suspicous, I don't like RedFF, Palmar is probs third party
[11:21] <MrWiggles> It's funny
[11:21] <VisceraEyes> Why Palmar 3rd?
[11:22] <MrWiggles> how he's been acting
[11:22] <MrWiggles> mig thinks he's suspicous too
[11:22] <VisceraEyes> Yeah, Mig's been in contact with me too.
[11:22] <MrWiggles> Until recently, he hasn't contributed anything
[11:22] <VisceraEyes> What's funny about that is that
[11:22] <VisceraEyes> Yes
[11:22] <VisceraEyes> That
[11:22] <VisceraEyes> I told Mig that he was not playing like his normal self.
[11:22] <MrWiggles> he's just been pointing out blatant stuff, and making posts that are non-contributuions
[11:22] <VisceraEyes> And then 12 hours later he starts contributing.
[11:23] <MrWiggles> Also, I asked him about the naz post
[11:23] <MrWiggles> because it looked weird to me
[11:23] <VisceraEyes> Which?
[11:23] <MrWiggles> he hops on a bandwagon
[11:23] <MrWiggles> then calls out naz for the same thing
[11:23] <MrWiggles> but doesn't call out the two people who stealth voted before him
[11:23] <MrWiggles> or the two who vote without reasons right after
[11:23] <MrWiggles> If I was town, I'd be mad at all of them
[11:23] <VisceraEyes> Eh...anything regarding Nazgul I'm attributing to starfucking
[11:23] <MrWiggles> not just making one post about one
[11:24] <MrWiggles> it's just a useless post to look like a contribution
[11:24] <MrWiggles> As well, he PMed me about that, instead of responding in thread
[11:24] <MrWiggles> and was pretty angry and defensive
[11:24] <VisceraEyes> Oh?
[11:24] <MrWiggles> yeah
[11:25] <VisceraEyes> So "If I was town, I'd be mad at all of them"
[11:25] <VisceraEyes> sigh
[11:25] <MrWiggles> hmmm?
[11:25] <MrWiggles> it just looks weird
[11:25] <MrWiggles> it's like making one post about one lurker
[11:25] <MrWiggles> and never following through
[11:26] <MrWiggles> he also attacked CB, a noob, which was basically tunneling
[11:26] <MrWiggles> and dropped that pretty quickly
[11:26] <MrWiggles> for no reason, to hop onto supersoft
[11:26] <VisceraEyes> Hey
[11:26] <VisceraEyes> Wait
[11:26] <MrWiggles> just tunneling a noob, 12 hours into the day, is a great way to look like you're doing something
[11:26] <VisceraEyes> Will you explain the line 'If I was town, I'd be mad at all of them'
[11:27] <MrWiggles> hmmm?
[11:27] <VisceraEyes> Did you just claim not town to me?
[11:27] <MrWiggles> I'm talking from his perspective
[11:27] <VisceraEyes> Ah
[11:27] <MrWiggles> I'm an SK, so this is how I think. If I was town, I'd think like this
[11:28] <MrWiggles> that's how I analyze people
[11:28] <MrWiggles> try to look at things from their perspective, and what their motives and goals are
[11:32] <VisceraEyes> Okay, I'm red. I think you're scum because you're playing the same way you played when you were my GF in RTM. That's why I'm telling you. If you're not, I've made a huge mistake and I'll probably hang...but if you are, I need to be brought into the fold...because without knowledge of my teammates, I could be pushing to lynch teammates...and as Mafia, that's a big effing boon.
[11:32] <MrWiggles> you're saying you're the traitor?
[11:32] <VisceraEyes> Yes.
[11:32] <VisceraEyes> It's gambit time
[11:34] <VisceraEyes> Fuc,k
[11:34] <VisceraEyes> lol
[11:35] <MrWiggles> hmmm?
[11:35] <VisceraEyes> Felt like you just alt-tabbed to the forum to post this conversation.
[11:35] <MrWiggles> No, I'm just thinking
[11:38] == VisceraEyes [webchat@50-90-142-54.res.bhn.net]
[11:38] == realname : http://webchat.quakenet.org
[11:38] == channels : #TLMafia
[11:38] == server : *.quakenet.org [QuakeNet IRC Server]
[11:38] == End of WHOIS
[11:38] <VisceraEyes> What about?
[11:38] <MrWiggles> How to move forward
[11:38] <MrWiggles> Who else have you been talking to?
[11:39] <VisceraEyes> I've talked to youngminii about how to get RoL lynched, and I've been talking to Mig about my suspicions
[11:39] <VisceraEyes> Mostly revolving around RoL and Palmar
[11:40] <MrWiggles> ok
[11:40] <VisceraEyes> He wanted my opinion of SS
[11:40] <VisceraEyes> I told him I think he's newbTown
[11:40] <MrWiggles> so you think YM is red?
[11:40] <VisceraEyes> No
[11:40] <VisceraEyes> Well
[11:40] <VisceraEyes> I dont' know
[11:40] <MrWiggles> haha
[11:40] <VisceraEyes> But I haven't come out to him if that's what you're asking
[11:41] <MrWiggles> who are you talking to right now?
[11:41] <VisceraEyes> You
[11:41] <VisceraEyes> I just sent a response pm to CuRu
[11:41] <MrWiggles> ok, I got the impression you were with a group of people
[11:42] <VisceraEyes> Mostly just Mig and you...youngminii to a lesser extent.
[11:42] <VisceraEyes> I tried to raise Palmar on IRC but he's nonresponsive.
[11:42] <VisceraEyes> Meaning he's onto me and is preparing a tunnel.
[11:42] <VisceraEyes> lol
[11:42] <MrWiggles> lolol
[11:42] <MrWiggles> So what do you want to do?
[11:43] <VisceraEyes> What do you mean?
[11:43] <VisceraEyes> I want to win.
[11:43] <MrWiggles> Ok, what do you want me to do?
[11:44] <VisceraEyes> What do you mean?
[11:44] <VisceraEyes> If you're scum, I want you to tell me who my teammates are. If you're town I want you to forget this conversation. If you're 3rd party....I want you to not kill me at night. lmao
[11:45] <MrWiggles> lol
[11:45] <VisceraEyes> I don't understand the question
[11:45] <MrWiggles> well
[11:45] <MrWiggles> there's a weird situation here
[11:45] <MrWiggles> where we both don't know eachother's alignment
[11:45] <MrWiggles> I could be town, and you could be scum, in which case, you're screwed
[11:45] <VisceraEyes> But you might
[11:46] <MrWiggles> Or, I could be scum, and you could be town, and this is a trap
[11:46] <VisceraEyes> True.
[11:46] <VisceraEyes> Yeah
[11:46] <VisceraEyes> Okaty
[11:46] <MrWiggles> Or, we could both be scum, and this is good
[11:46] <VisceraEyes> I see what you're saying.
[11:46] <VisceraEyes> Hmmmmm
[11:46] <MrWiggles> Or, we're both town, and you're trying to trap me, and I'm trying to trap you
[11:46] <VisceraEyes> What do you suggest?
[11:46] <MrWiggles> just play like normal
[11:47] <VisceraEyes> Well, this is a halo of flies now.
[11:47] <VisceraEyes> And I can't play normally with this hanging over me
[11:47] <VisceraEyes> So I'm gonna have to tunnel you.
[11:47] <VisceraEyes> Until you claim to me.
[11:47] <VisceraEyes> It's the only thing I can think of.
[11:48] <VisceraEyes> Make your words less credible if you're town.
[11:48] <VisceraEyes> Because you have information abotu me.
[11:48] <MrWiggles> lol
[11:49] <MrWiggles> If I'm red, then this isn't bad, because it keeps you from incriminating anyone, and causes confusion
[11:49] <MrWiggles> If I'm green, then you just get to sit in ignorance
[11:50] <VisceraEyes> If you're green you would have already posted this conversation
[11:51] <VisceraEyes> So I have to assume you're red or 3rd
[11:51] <MrWiggles> Maybe i'm just fishing for information
[11:51] <VisceraEyes> I just gave you all the information I have..who I've talked to, my role, everything I know
[11:51] <VisceraEyes> And it's all right there for you to post
[11:51] <VisceraEyes> And you haven't.
[11:51] <VisceraEyes> You're red or 3rd.
[11:51] <VisceraEyes> So
[11:52] <VisceraEyes> I will not try and lynch you.
[12:03] <VisceraEyes> But tell me what to do about RoL. I have NO idea as to his alignment, but I think he's a solid lynch candidate. Should I advocate it or not? The power...is YOURS!!!!11!!
[12:05] <VisceraEyes> I await your response...going to work nao
[12:06] <VisceraEyes> My fate is in your hands.
[12:06] <VisceraEyes> Don't squander it.
[12:06] <VisceraEyes>

Basically, I wanted to fish for information a bit, and wanted to try to figure out whether to reveal this now, or at night and let vigs deal with it. Decided to reveal now, to avoid vig overlap tonight. He also wasn't giving me any more information. Lynch ends in 7 hours, kill this guy. Shoot redFF, maybe Palmar, tonight.

##Vote: VisceraEyes

I did NOT have a witness, it's true. It's also true that I was actively participating in town discussion and trying to find scum BEFORE this debacle. It's also true that I was on a very obviously scum bandwagon.

Would I REALLY be this town if I was scum? Would I REALLY out 2 other potential Insane Inmates if I were aligned with scum? Would I REALLY be on a bandwagon that very OBVIOUSLY contains scum? Verily, would I REALLY push that wagon as hard as I can, even to save my skin, if I were aligned with scum?

The Aftermath:
I've fucked up town's situation. I've fucked up town's atmosphere. But I refuse to let you guys vig me. I came clean with you about scum-claims made to me, in spite of not believing them. I believe we've caught another scum in the process (CB), and I think we've got a GREAT chance of Wiggles and Kavdragon being town. I urge you to look at the facts, look at the motivations and see what's going on here. I'm town. I'm trying to win this thing, and I think we're off to a really good start. Don't mess it up and kill me and Kav.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 20 2011 09:36 GMT

#1096

town needs to stop claiming ii right now.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

July 20 2011 11:36 GMT

#1097

On July 20 2011 15:03 youngminii wrote:

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On July 19 2011 10:10 deconduo wrote:
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On July 19 2011 06:00 Kurumi wrote:
We don't need God's help, we just need vigis who can use their head and shoot freaking lurkers and herp derp flying under the radar superheroes.

Offering generic advice is a typical mafia move to look like they are doing something when in actuality they are not.

On July 19 2011 04:46 Kurumi wrote:

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I wont be able to do anything useful today , will be active tomorrow

Mafia typically feel guilty about being scum from the start. They tend to have a need to explain things and apologise. Note that supersoft has been doing this as well.

More apologising, though he does point out that Creamy is doing the exact same thing as he is.

##Vote: Kurumi

Pressuring Kurumi worked. He mostly stopped trolling after I voted for him.

I sent these PMs before a single vote was on redFF:

Kurumi is trolling but he does that in every game regardless of alignment. Would be quite happy if he died.

Supersoft lynch is a bit too easy.

Theres been 2 good analysisesessees on Wiggles, but I just get a town vibe from him. I dont think he's mafia, though I wouldn't rule out 3rd Party. However I would put money on him being a DT/medic.

Scummy:
Viscera Eyes
ROL
redFF

Gut says Wiggles is town. Same with notasmurf. I'm really hoping he gets a medic prot tonight, cos he should be a high priority target.

Kurumi is trolling and I'm going to try to get him lynched if he doesn't stop.

Next candidate is redFF, he's been scummy as fuck.

Then ROL, lurking and his reason for voting coag was lolworthy. He's definitely a better player than that. He might be a blue trying to hide though.

And just after the bandwagon starting gathering steam:

I actually was suspocious of redFF before anyone started voting for him (/hipster)

Kurumi has stopped trolling so I will probably switch to him now. I don't see any reason to lynch Kurumi as long as he's actually playing.

Wagon on supersoft was too easy, its unlikely that he's scum.

Pyo seems off to me, but I would lynch redFF over him scumminess wise.

I'm probably gonna post most of these thoughts in the thread anyway.

So no, I did not just 'hop' on the bandwagon. I did a brief analysis of him as well, showing how hypocrital he was. He was scummy since the start of the game.

In fact, YOU were the one with the throwaway vote on TAA. You FOS someone for doing something and then go and do the same thing yourself.

As for tomorrow, ROL is a good candidate for a DT check or vig hit.

Kurumi

Poland6130 Posts

July 20 2011 11:40 GMT

#1098

RoL is getting lynched tomorrow if he won't die during the night.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 20 2011 12:52 GMT

#1099

Why post your dt/medic reads in public?

And why are you so concerned about yourself, and why do you feel so much need to prove you really wanted to lynch redFF?

Do you know something we don't?

Eternalmisfit

United States643 Posts

July 20 2011 13:38 GMT

#1100

Nice that we got a red lynch on Day1.

In light on Kavdragon's revelation, it would nice to get a confirmation from notasmurf that Kav actually told this plan to him. If notasmurf can confirm's Kav's plan, this should clear Kav's II claim.

As for DT check's tonight, I would suggest the following. At this point, the people who voted for redFF are less likely to be scum than those who did not since it was a close vote. So, I think that the DT's should focus on people on the VE vote-list since it is more likely that there are at-least a couple of scum there.

In that regards, a possible way of avoiding overlapping DT checks is that assigning potential DT's a third of the list. For e.g., if your number is 1-13 in player roster, focus your check on top 1/3rd section of the VE vote. #14-26 focuses on 5-8 on in player roster. #27-40 focuses on bottom 1/3rd of the list.
Of course, this does not make it 100% that DT's won't overlap checks since the player# of DT's can still fall in the same bracket but it decreases the probability of the clash though.

(I am assuming 3 DT's since I feel that it is highly unlikely that we have more than that.)

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