EPTAnd since you've been reading the thread so carefully and mapping out what everyone thinks, why don't you give some thoughts to who you think is scummy now? Surely you've found something that the rest of us have missed. Some guy subtly defending redFF or anything like that. You can share that much right? Or what's the point of your graph.
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
And since you've been reading the thread so carefully and mapping out what everyone thinks, why don't you give some thoughts to who you think is scummy now? Surely you've found something that the rest of us have missed. Some guy subtly defending redFF or anything like that. You can share that much right? Or what's the point of your graph. | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
On July 21 2011 00:22 Nisani201 wrote: gj everyone, there was less than one page of activity over the night. Barely anything to add through the node graph. I think we have the vigi hits planned out pretty well. Kav is off the hook so we shouldn't vigi him. VE needs to die, and CB. I'd recommend a DT check on Pyo, RoL, or anyone else that was under suspicion for lynch yesterday. What is a node graph? Why is Kav off the hook? notasmurf confirming that Kav mentioned his plan doesn't really say anything does it? You can do the same thing as II and townie and it's equally effective as both. For both sides the best case scenario is being accepted into the scum team. For both sides the worst case is being outed in the thread. So mentioning the strat to a 3rd party makes no difference. (Other than potentially tipping off scum as to your plan. So imo actually mentioning to a 3rd party is terrible.) I guess the only certainty tonight is that Batman (Mr Wiggles) dies?  | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fWiO7.png) that's a node graph, he logs the focus points from everything players do. Nisani201 only sent me my own node. Oh, and for most players in the game, you should be able to see all their posts by going to http://palmar.mail.is/playername | ||
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Iceland22633 Posts
http://palmar.mail.is/prplhz http://palmar.mail.is/Palmar http://palmar.mail.is/Kurumi http://palmar.mail.is/Mr. <--- wiggles's dot fucks this up http://palmar.mail.is/RebirthOfLeGenD | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Lemme put it into game mechanics terms for you. If we kill all 3 of them tonight and they're all Traitors then yay! Mafia wasn't going to contact them anyways cause of VE's antics. If we kill at least 1 Mafia between tonight and the day, Mafia loses their KP. Hey Nisani making a node graph isn't an excuse to not do anything else (even moreso cause you're the only one using it if you're Town), this isn't a single player game. You clearly have a lot of info from it, start pointing some fingers and naming some names. | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
On July 21 2011 00:50 Curu wrote: Kav is off the hook because who gives a shit about traitors right now. We shoot one of them and figure out that clusterfuck after, is it that hard to understand? If you want so much to discuss it then figure out who of VE and CB you want shot and why, but go find more scummy scum scum too! Lemme put it into game mechanics terms for you. If we kill all 3 of them tonight and they're all Traitors then yay! Mafia wasn't going to contact them anyways cause of VE's antics. If we kill at least 1 Mafia between tonight and the day, Mafia loses their KP. Hey Nisani making a node graph isn't an excuse to not do anything else (even moreso cause you're the only one using it if you're Town), this isn't a single player game. You clearly have a lot of info from it, start pointing some fingers and naming some names. I don't think ignoring IIs is a good idea, but hunting scum is obviously more important. The reason so many people are commenting on the traitors is because we seem to have a lot more info regarding them than scum atm. Just remember that IIs can still work against town, and their votes at the end of the game can decide who wins. But my question was actually directed at Nisani. He says Kav is off the hook, but the other 2 claims should die. He's not ignoring the traitors. I don't see why Kav is off the hook. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
On July 21 2011 00:37 Curu wrote: Anyways why would you announce you're making a node graph and then say you're not sharing it because you don't want to ruin your meta? If you want to do that then say you're not making it at all. All you did now was drive in the fact that you have a node graph but are unwilling to share it, which strikes me as distinctly antitown. And since you've been reading the thread so carefully and mapping out what everyone thinks, why don't you give some thoughts to who you think is scummy now? Surely you've found something that the rest of us have missed. Some guy subtly defending redFF or anything like that. You can share that much right? Or what's the point of your graph. Not only would it ruin my meta, but it can heavily help Mafia. I'm willing to share it with confirmed townies, but there aren't any right now so it's only mine. I think you're really stretching it by saying that my not sharing it is anti-town. I'll use it for analysis on D2, but since the lynch suspects are already there, anything that I say will probably be considered parroting. I said Kav was off the hook because notasmurf verified that his II claim was a fakeclaim. | ||
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Anyways my general advice for Town tonight is: DTs ignore the VE/CB/Kav trio. Ignore very obvious Vigbait too. Vigilantes shoot who you think is scummiest. I made a list right after the night post but that was purely based on voting patterns so if you use it then make sure you analyze the person's posting first. There are also lists posted throughout the day where people have pointed out good Vig targets. If you are unsure or insecure about your night 1 shot, hit VE or CB. Someone please do this anyways just so we don't spend all of day 2 with both of them alive and cluttering up the Town discussion. If there really are 4 Vigilantes and 2 Hatters, then we have 10 KP floating around tonight with a potential for 12. This day post will be fun to read  . | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
Here are Kurumi's posts so far: (They are ordered chronologically. Spoilers mostly contain spam, except for the last one dealing with lurkers.) Spam: + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2011 16:58 Kurumi wrote: YES HAHA YADDA YADDA ##VOTE Coagulation THAT SCOUT IS SPY! On July 18 2011 17:20 Kurumi wrote: YOU BETTER HELP PUSH leetle CART! I am Heavy Weapons Guy and some punk stole my weapon! My love! I'M GONNA KILL YOU WITH MY BARE HANDS YOU HEAR ME? On July 18 2011 17:20 Kurumi wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [BLUE]Heavy Weapons Guy YES! On July 18 2011 17:30 Kurumi wrote: Claiming Scout looks suspicious to me, I would ask Pyro to spycheck them.. Wait, if they're really Scouts we won't get anything.. and if they're disguised... We don't have such Pyros! MAGGOTS! Also, Snipers should get lynched before roleclaimers. Like, those Australlian Pit Dwellers can live entire month without food and water! On July 18 2011 18:17 Kurumi wrote: YES! No mercy for leetle kart , push it team , together to victory ! On July 18 2011 19:44 Kurumi wrote: Palmar , I love You . The Coagulation thing is just a funny joke . I am on my smartphone not even in the middle of trip . CreamyButter is my best Lynch candidate for today . Things like " I wont make enough posts " detailed scum strategy ( why the fuck we need that ?) and stuff I will look at and talk about when I get a pc to use are scummy. Coag needs to post something useful . On July 18 2011 21:22 Kurumi wrote: We Lynch scummy people , not trolls duh. Also the game started at 4 am and I woke up at 10 past 9 am just to leave home and start the trip at ten to 10am. Really , give me a hour or two . On July 18 2011 22:15 Kurumi wrote: CB You should've read Ace's scum manifesto ... I am around 120km from Warsaw , run already cowards ! On his vote for Coag due to his list: On July 18 2011 22:35 Kurumi wrote: Australian winky-wonka says I am Red Spy ... I unvoted , at first it looked scummy as hell but now I think it is only a minor scumtell "Sorry I'm not being useful, but since I'm here let me post some more useless things" On July 19 2011 04:25 Kurumi wrote: Sorry but I won't be able to make something useful - I am really sorry for myself, but very happy about scum-hunt results. I think both bandwagons are leading into red lynch. More on that later. Please don't start food fights and other chaotic dumb things - atmosphere of town must be preserved. Quoting himself saying he's going to be useless: On July 19 2011 04:46 Kurumi wrote: I wont be able to do anything useful today , will be active tomorrow More spam + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2011 06:00 Kurumi wrote: We don't need God's help, we just need vigis who can use their head and shoot freaking lurkers and herp derp flying under the radar superheroes. On July 19 2011 07:34 Kurumi wrote: No no no get out ;((((((((((((( I am using my phone to post so go figure First post with actual content? On July 19 2011 20:26 Kurumi wrote: @deconduo We are not lynching me today, Baby. As I previously said, I am amazed on how well "newbs" ruled day so far, bringing great evidence on suspects. We must encourage people to DECIDE who they are voting for from those three candidates: Supersoft: -claimed VT (lie) -when suspicion was brought on him claims it was trolling (the topic about how vt damages town was brought up in the meantime) -bandwagoned Coagulation (Kurumi, You've done that too! I know, just wait) -claims that he isn't active in the thread, but is swarming with pms, which was proven TO BE FALSE (another lie) Supersoft is liar and still hasn't redeemed himself. The major things which make him a lynch candidates are lies, because as pointed out (and learnt from CCM) they are terrible for town. Pyo: -thinks noone is scummy (oh how neutral bro) -place-holder vote, because lynch will be bad anyway ("who cares, voting is shit" WRONG IT IS THE BEST TOWN'S POWER) -anti-town agenda (not sure about things, cautious and careful, refuses to contribute to any case besides calling it stupid without evidence) Pyo looks like a guy who either does not give a fuck or does not give a fuck. Yup. He doesn't need to be scum, he might be 3rd party. Either way, he doesn't care how the things end. I will re-read the thread now and pick CreamyButter (third candidate) posts and the reasoning behind them (the case against him is a lot more complicated) So yeah. I got a bit of time in front of PC (laptop to be exact) , hurray for family and my uncle.. Veterans, You scared bros? Why u so silent? Palmar, King of Kalmars is stylin' on Ya. About Coagulation vote: At first, his list screamed "I try to contribute because Officer You tell me do things I done running!(google GI JOE Porkchop Sandwiches)" but after a longer while it didn't scream scum for me. It COULD be better (like a small description about them, games where they have shown amazing play) but at the moment when it was posted, it was good enough. Not excellent, but good enough. A little insight for our new Mafia players! But even here he's basically just summarizing what others have said. He also tries to explain why he wagoned Coag because of his list again. There was never a reason to get on that bandwagon other than it being the first wagon of the day... a veritable mafia tradition. Yet he tries to explain why he genuinely thought that list was scummy... It was never scummy. More spam + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2011 10:34 Kurumi wrote: 2:57 DOKTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR On July 19 2011 20:33 Kurumi wrote: oh Yeah it is that Jesus from Suburbia trying to save supersoft? kk Asking how the game works. On July 19 2011 21:08 Kurumi wrote: As far I remember we are the bad guys who are town and good guys are mafia, right? Because we're Criminals and Mafia are the Guards? It could make sense that Batman wins with Guards or something. But that's a bit useless theorycrafting. Back to rereading thread, in the meanwhile: People who have under/exactly 5 posts (feel free to make this more accurate) gtrsrs - claimed VT Zona - pretty big posts Kenpachi - claimed VT RebirthOfLegend - started case on Coagulation hiro protagonist - ??? Coagulation - made vet list On July 19 2011 21:14 Kurumi wrote: Oh ok, then they win by killing their targets/everyone(Joker) On July 19 2011 21:39 Kurumi wrote: prplhz y u so flyin' like a g6 under the radar Kavradgon, y u no aggressive like in PYPI redff, y u so scum supersoft,y u terrible scum pyo,y u terrible 3rd party come at me mafias On July 19 2011 21:40 Kurumi wrote: By the way, did Node post anything yet? lol On July 19 2011 22:00 Kurumi wrote: Oh, Kenpachi claimed vt too Half troll/Half activity list: (This is the same type of list that he thought was scummy earlier?) On July 19 2011 21:48 Kurumi wrote: Let me upgrade it: 1. snotboogie Newb active? 2. Deconduo Vet not huge contributor, but is active 3. Kurumi NEWB LOL stopped trolling I guess 4. curu Newb active 5. RebirthofLegend Vet lurking 6. Amber[LighT] Vet lurking? 7. hiro protagonist Newb lurking 8. nisani201 Newb lurking 9. Pyo Newb Scum lol 10.Drazerk Newb this guy plays? 11. supersoft Newb King of Derps 12. Jackal58 LOL Jackal 13. Mr. Wiggles Vet started off with big things, now silent? 14. prplhz Newb flying under the radar 15. mig Newb mostly good posts, meta analysis on redff 16. notasmurf Newb intriguing, posts of good value 17. kenpachi LOL useless 18. Syllogism Newb ??? 19. Palmar Newb King of Kalmars, active everywhere and scumhunts 20. Sevryn Newb ??? 21. ghrur Vet ??? 22. Varysthespider Newb under 5 posts 23. node Vet 0 posts. Way to go bro 24, coagulation Vet lurking made vet list (duh) 25. kavdragon Vet not as Kavdragon as I would like 26. Lucidity Newb ? 27. ketomai Newb pretty active 28. creamybutter Newb first game syndrome, medium-sized posts, silent after some heat was put on him? 29. redff Vet useless, lurker based on contentless posts 30. youngminii Vet argued with Mig 31. liquid`nazgul Newb probably suffers from first game syndrome 32. Shraft Newb ? 33. cjrninja Newb - I'd expect more from him 34. visceraeyes Newb - lurking 35. theawesomeall Newb - silent all game? 36. eternalmisfit Newb - in my opinion good player tbh, he isn't really active, but shows up there and there 37. zona Vet rarely posts, but posts are big and valuable 38. gtrsrs Newb claimed VT, useless so far 39. ribboo Newb 40. sinani206 Newb - replaced by bumatlarge, vet I was going to put this under spam, but I guess it's not entirely... Nice reasoning bro? On July 19 2011 23:02 Kurumi wrote: lynch pyo shoot redff imo Half troll/Half "I trust you" post. This was in the middle of the supersoft/redFF debacle, which is kind of a strange time to return to CB. The post basically says nothing. On July 19 2011 23:22 Kurumi wrote: NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW WEAPOOOON! Take dat Pyo! My Vote is on Your Red DRESS BABY MY NEW WEAPON MAKES BABIES CRY MUWAWUHAWUH CB I expected a lot more from You, You are not as suspicious after re-reading Your posts, still You've written that gem http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299¤tpage=18#343 about not posting enough.. being scared and stuff. But yeah, You're a bit suspicious for me, but basically a null read Spam. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2011 01:27 Kurumi wrote: Kenpachi wat wat wat wat wat You made a post longer than one line wat Gut feel posts ala redFF: On July 20 2011 07:21 Kurumi wrote: I believe VE. On July 20 2011 07:30 Kurumi wrote: I believe VE is town and cb is miller Quick to vote viscera after Mr Wiggles' post. Quick to change his tune and "believe" VE without any reasoning. Gut feel ala redFF? He then embarks on a quest to save VE. Without ever producing reasoning. On July 20 2011 07:43 Kurumi wrote: Who ? Supersoft votes are non existant . Point me person who can get lynched instead of VE . I want to save him . On July 20 2011 07:48 Kurumi wrote: I would Lynch redff or pyo. Redff sounds the most probable Lynch . Please , help me save VE . More lurkers and a sudden change of opinion without good reason? + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2011 20:40 Kurumi wrote: RoL is getting lynched tomorrow if he won't die during the night. On July 20 2011 22:51 Kurumi wrote: kill lurkers please On July 20 2011 23:05 Kurumi wrote: rol needs to speak like a lot On July 20 2011 23:07 Kurumi wrote: after a while of thought rol isn't good lynch target because that won't kill other 19 lurkers On July 20 2011 23:51 Kurumi wrote: well prplhz need a bullet that's for sure g6 under the radar So basically RoL isn't a good target simply because he lurks. But prplhz is? And RoL is a target because he apparently vehemently opposes lurking, not just because he's lurking. So what is box happening? Summary: Kurumi has spammed a lot. He basically makes redFF look like a lurker. Obviously this isn't pro-town behaviour. His only posts with content seem to summarize what the current town consensus is. In addition to this, he points out some null-tells (according to him). The VE saga is troubling. He automatically votes VE. Very quickly changes his mind and then tries to find an alternative lynch for the night, citing that "He believes VE". Absolutely no other reasoning is presented. He also dedicates a few posts to lurkers. By dedicate I mean making a few one line posts pointing out lurkers. These get lost in a sea of spam and hardly puts on any pressure at all. Strangely, his position wrt lurkers changes randomly too. Why is there this inconsistency? So he spams and makes decisions based on gut feels... redFFv2? What's the story here Kurumi? | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
On July 21 2011 01:49 Nisani201 wrote: I said Kav was off the hook because notasmurf verified that his II claim was a fakeclaim. I explained why I don't think that's any reason to let him off the hook. Do you disagree? On July 21 2011 02:00 Curu wrote: Okey dokey, but don't just do that either. Bring up new suspects if you see something fishy or contradictory with what they're doing. Anyways my general advice for Town tonight is: DTs ignore the VE/CB/Kav trio. Ignore very obvious Vigbait too. Vigilantes shoot who you think is scummiest. I made a list right after the night post but that was purely based on voting patterns so if you use it then make sure you analyze the person's posting first. There are also lists posted throughout the day where people have pointed out good Vig targets. If you are unsure or insecure about your night 1 shot, hit VE or CB. Someone please do this anyways just so we don't spend all of day 2 with both of them alive and cluttering up the Town discussion. If there really are 4 Vigilantes and 2 Hatters, then we have 10 KP floating around tonight with a potential for 12. This day post will be fun to read .Probability theory would suggest that most of those will be townies though t_t Please try to be prudent vigis. | ||
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Poland6130 Posts
It was easy as fuck: This gambit MAKES NO SENSE as Red. 1:1 trade is not beneficial for scum! Also, somebody posted good enough explanation too, it went like that: Town will out the claimer (because he is town) Red will out the claimer (because this gives a lot of town cred) Black will out the claimer (because this gives a lot of town cred) also no u | ||
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And the thing about RoL sounded like a good idea at first - but then, how the heck I am supposed to lynch 19 OTHER LURKERS present in the game? We can't deal with lurkers through lynches, that's why our vigis should deal with them. | ||
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Canada2817 Posts
On July 21 2011 02:06 Lucidity wrote: I explained why I don't think that's any reason to let him off the hook. Do you disagree? Probability theory would suggest that most of those will be townies though t_t Please try to be prudent vigis. Don't be afraid to trust your reads as long as you put effort into them, it's not like anyone's going to be random shooting. It's like a multiple choice question where you don't know the answer but you can eliminate two of the options because your Professor made them about Martians and spacecrafts and alien beam rays. Suddenly you know the right answer is one of the two you haven't eliminated and you have a 50% chance to be right. But like I said Vigs if you really don't trust your own judgment just yet pop VE or CB for us. | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
On July 20 2011 07:30 Kurumi wrote: VE has done some crazy things in the past . His gambit could catch scum or he would die thanks to Lynch . He wasn't afraid to die for his cause . That's a terrible reason to believe him though. If he's known for doing crazy things... Well it's just as crazy to approach someone as an II as it is a townie. So that doesn't help his defense. In addition to that, a townie dying is a BAD thing, not something to be commended. He had a 7/39 chance of picking scum. Even if he did, there was a 99% chance that scum would simply reveal the convo for town cred. They can't know if he's Townie or II. You even mention this in your post: On July 21 2011 02:07 Kurumi wrote:Town will out the claimer (because he is town) Red will out the claimer (because this gives a lot of town cred) Black will out the claimer (because this gives a lot of town cred) So how did that persuade you that he was town? It wasn't only a bad move for II, but for Town too. | ||
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Poland6130 Posts
1:1 trade for scum is BAD. | ||
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you are working on the assumption that VE was town trying to catch scum and thinking the only other possibility is that he is scum trying to get a townie killed the scenario you are COMPLETELY IGNORING is that VE is an actual insane inmate who got caught trying to group up with scum dunno if that makes you suspicious or stupid | ||
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Poland6130 Posts
because wiggles is really scum? | ||
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