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On June 26 2011 02:03 Lanaia wrote: Oh, so this is where chaos13 is from. I knew he couldn't be 100% newb. ...what? | ||
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On June 26 2011 10:25 Lanaia wrote: You were in the #mafia channel that I'm opped in! red brought you there, yes? Wasn't sure if you were uber newb or not. We've had a lot lately. Ah, that's what it was. I definitely prefer forum mafia to IRC though | ||
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Stop leaving! We just get ready to go and someone drops out again | ||
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On June 28 2011 08:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: yall calm down I am working out some kinks. Will start it tonight. Nisani, I think it's time for your YES video. | ||
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This means we don't have to worry about pressuring lurkers or inactives, as roles will take care of it. Therefore, our Day 1 priority needs to be creating a good pro-town atmosphere. This means not making random accusations, and not spamming and posting one-liners. Keep your contributions quality rather than quantity. Do not be afraid of the lurker list and post every single thought you have if it isn't relevant. Let's make it so mafia cannot hide due to us just being too damn pro-town. | ||
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On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote: Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Does that really warrant an FoS? Are you willing to vote to back that up right now? Things like this should be kept in mind and used as evidence later on in the day phase when you actually have enough information and evidence to confidently label someone as scum. What it seems like here is that you're pushing a scum agenda trying to create an anti-town atmosphere of paranoia and weakly based suspicion. | ||
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On June 28 2011 12:27 youngminii wrote: I respectfully disagree with your philosophy of not being aggressive against anyone. More pressure = more slip ups, that's the point. Just don't take it personally and bandwagon it etc. There is a difference between being aggressive and being anti-town. I would also like to bring this post to light: On June 28 2011 11:57 youngminii wrote: Good post GMarshal, I wasn't aware scum were targeting lurkers too this game. It's almost as if they're a 3rd party faction. I like how you make a giant warning against lurkers when the game itself is designed to punish them. "I wasn't aware scum were targeting lurkers too this game." After reading through GMarshal's post again, the only conclusion I can come to is that you mean to call GM scummy, when that post is one of the most pro-town things I have seen and probably will see this whole game. I'm all for pressuring and being aggressive. What I am not for is making weak accusations without evidence to support them | ||
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On June 28 2011 13:24 GMarshal wrote: Why? What goal is this list trying to achieve? What use do you intend to put it to? I mean if you give me a good justification I don't mind doing it, but it needs to have a purpose that helps the town, rather than cluttering space ^_^ If 5/7 of the experienced veteran players are dead by day 3/4 and the new or intermediate players are starting to die instead, it's a good indication you've got mafia and should really start examining those player's posts. It's a tool I use in every game that is generally quite effective. Normally I would just make one and keep it to myself, but I don't know a lot of the names here or the meta that goes along with me, so I would appreciate some input from someone who does  | ||
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On June 28 2011 13:37 Torqez wrote: Odd post. How does this help us who are new to TL anyway? Roles are all randomised. So given that there are some players with better analytical skills than others, we can expect to have some in town and some in mafia, obviously. Like someone else said, it's just painting targets though. Plus, with the Lurker List (this is new to me btw), everyone should be actively involved anyway with the way they see the game devloping. This is exactly what makes it effective. Because, if the veteran/experienced players are town, they are likely to be shot early on by mafia. The mafia players will still be alive, however, (provided they haven't been lynched/vigi shot, and depending on their skill level they will probably be easily able to avoid this) and therefore when you have one or two skilled players who have not been killed early on, you need to start looking really closely at their posts because it is that much more likely (based on simple probability) that they are mafia. From that point, you can make a reasonable guess as to their alignment based on analysis. | ||
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theAwesomeAll - You're doing a lot of weak FoS'ing and fingerpointing, but you are at least trying to come up with a case for each one. What I suggest you do is calm down a bit and really start analyzing those players and come up with a solid case, and for today just focus on one or two. However, you've shown that you are active and ready to share your thoughts, so I think you are most likely town. youngminii - I'm still not comfortable with you. Yes, you improved your FoS' slightly, but they're still flying all over the place and still targeting seemingly random players. I would give you the same advice I suggested to theAwesomAll. Get more evidence before you accuse someone. Sinani206 - Lots of fluff from you, little of substance. I would like to see more opinions from you on other players. All I can recall at the moment is discussion of lurkers/game mechanics and other safe topics. Jackal58 - He isn't as active as usual, but I felt that his one post was very pro-town. At the point he made it we had fallen into a mess discussing lurkers when that topic had already been resolved at the beginning of the game, and he stopped this. As town he loves making angry posts about how dumb town is being, and they almost always serve to get discussion back on track. One thing I feel needs to be mentioned: We have five different people with 1-2 votes each on them. This won't do us any good, since scum can support any one of those arguments and make a sly vote that won't put them in the spotlight. We need to keep our lynch candidates to a small number so that scum are pressured to make a decision. | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:34 Palmar wrote: Why does your town play always consist of soft defending and asking questions? Or is that your scum play too? That's just the way I roll as town. I generally ask questions without revealing my opinion first so I can compare someone's thoughts to mine. If I have a town read and people are attacking them, I'll generally defend them so we can avoid a bad lynch. When I find someone I think is scum, I'll make an analysis on them. However, I'm also happy to answer any questions directed towards me. I won't hold back my opinions. I've only played one game as scum before, but my play in it consisted of attacking lurkers and being the town leader. I also voted for inactives/lurkers so I wouldn't have to be accountable for voting someone who flipped town. My play styles are very different. | ||
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No. I do not condone lynching without analysis. I have never said this, and I never will say this. I'm constantly amazed at how the point of such a tool goes right over everyone's head. Please note that I was not actually accusing you of being scum (that wasn't the intent of my post, at least), I just wanted to see you contribute more, because I couldn't get a read on you due to your lack of posts with content. I would still like to hear your opinion on Sinani206 and syllogism. | ||
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On June 29 2011 09:33 sandroba wrote: Can everyone pls read my post that's been spammed out by 20 oneliners: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=23#452 And give an opinion on sinani206? I'm as yet unsure on 206. At the beginning of the game he seemed like he was being spammy and trying to make an appearance of contributing, but he has since improved his posting some. In reference to the 'slips' he made, I don't think they are slips at all. They aren't very good posts, but I do not believe they are scum slips. I want to see more from him before I make a decision or vote for him. After looking through the thread again, someone who really stands out to me is Cthasza. Fluff posts: Warning - Lots of em + Show Spoiler + One-liner spam. Does not contribute. On June 28 2011 12:30 Cthsazsa wrote: I agree with what Chaos13 said about the whole "setting up a pro-town atmosphere". No need for the useless fingerpointing when we're only about 20 minutes into the game. Also, flawed plan =/= scum. I think some of us learned that from PTP? lol. Repeats what has already been said without adding anything new. On June 28 2011 12:34 Cthsazsa wrote: That was more directed towards youngminii then anyone else but alrighty. One-liner spam again. On June 28 2011 12:57 Cthsazsa wrote: If it's going to help in nailing down scum, why wouldn't it be something worth discussing? The way I see it actually turning into spam is if people keep bringing up the plans even though majority of town agree's No. Does not contribute anything meaningful. On June 28 2011 13:12 Cthsazsa wrote: I'm interested in hearing it LSB. If there's any flaws, we dismiss it as a bad plan and move on. Simple, no? Spamerrific. On June 28 2011 15:03 Cthsazsa wrote: Oh lawd Lanaia -__- I'm sorry if I sound rude, I'm really not trying to be, but if you're wondering what a Zodiac list is just Google it. I dont want there to be 2 pages full of nothing but Zodiac discussion like in PTP. This is less useful than if he just explained what the damn thing is. On June 28 2011 15:45 Cthsazsa wrote: Sorry, I couldn't help but lol. That was so random. Vigi hit or mafia? I think if it was scum, they might as well have used all KP and killed 3 people? More spam! Is anyone else getting as tired of this as I am? On June 28 2011 15:47 Cthsazsa wrote: ebwop: Never mind, I doubt it was vigi. They only have one bullet, and the compulsive vigi's cant shoot until Day 2. ...spam... And now we get to something interesting: a big FoS on Drazerk. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 07:40 Cthsazsa wrote: I've just finished reading each and every one of Drazerk's posts. With all of his one-liner type posts this dude is talking just to remain off the lurker list while trying to blend in with town and look like he's contributing. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 16:38 Drazerk wrote: Right I have just woke up and I am read the thread. @Sandroba - Ive not got an Opinion on Gm yet he seems to be pro town just crazy about killing lurkers which would not be a bad thing in any other game but with the lurker mechanic all the scum will More or less be spamming to stay off it. As for Young His plan seemed to revolve around the mafia only having 1 KP which could of been a mistake rather than a Deliberate plan to confuse the medics but it is less likely to be a mafia ploy since he would know about the KP. It is possible for Gm to be scum but I still need to read through the whole of the thread before i can make my mind up Drazerk's very first post of the game. It contains nothing of value, except for the very last sentence. He is very hesitant to choose a side. He's waiting for what everyone else has to say before he makes a move. On June 28 2011 21:46 Drazerk wrote: After reading Dropbear's post on Henry is anyone Else suspicious of Edward the first? At the start of the game he is Pretty much forced into talking by Henry which Dropbear picked up on but no one really followed it up. ( I think LSB died a few moments later ) As other people have said the majority of his posts are him stating they are not the same person and the only thing he has truly contributed was outlining a mistake by Chaos Either Alerting his mafia buddies of a possible medic claim or just being stupid Personally Im suspecting Both Edward and Henry due to the amount of Fluff they are producing to keep of that lurker list This was your 2nd post of the game and it contained nothing worth mentioning or reading, yet you're criticizing Nisani for not contributing? Personally it looks like you're just talking to stay off the lurker list. It also looks like you're trying to make a bandwagon on the twins. Your only reason for FoS'ing them is "DropBear said so" and "they're posting fluff". Wtf? On June 28 2011 22:24 Drazerk wrote: Hmm As im already FoSing these two guys I still think 201 may be a more of a pressing target as he has acted most like scum, although I believe both of them are possible scum and if 206 comes up red we will Probably have another shot to take Tommorow. ( See that small pointless engagement at the start of the game ) First off I think it's hilarious how everyone missed the sarcasm in Palmar's post. Why won't you tell us why they're possible scum? & yes, their conversation was pointless but there was no other real discussion happening while Sinani did that. Also you're acting very hypocritical because your first 3 posts haven't done anything except cause me to find you suspicious. There you go. Drazerk's first three posts of the game. What was the importance of the Big 3? He refused to choose a side until other people voiced their opinion. As soon as DropBear brought up the twins, Drazerk flew in from nowhere and immediately FoS'd them. His reasons were so weak and contradictory they aren't worth an FoS and look more like an attempt to start a bandwagon. You're saying that they're scum for posting fluff/not contributing, but read these 3 posts and tell me you're not doing the same exact thing as them. It looks like Drazerk was posting just cause. He had nothing valuable that was worth saying. Drazerk goes on to vote for Sinani206, which is weird because he clearly said that (for some reason I have yet to know) he finds Sinani201 (Nisani) to be the more suspicious one. His next three posts are all empty one-liners that aren't worth quoting. his 7th post. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote: How do I always get pinned as mafia within the first day... Do you really want me to start martyring again? left right and centre? Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive ) As for Hiro I did not get into the day until after he dropped off and am going to need to look at all of his posts again before I say anything. Make up your mind man! Why weren't you able to make up your mind about GM?? You have also yet to explain why the twins are a viable lynch target. Again, it adds absolutely nothing -_- This is probably his biggest post of the game, and even if I put it in spoilers I think it would still clutter up this post >_> But here it is. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=19#363 TL;DR ? Good. That means as mafia he achieved his goal. He made a HUGE-ASS post that looks like it's contributing, but it doesn't do jack shit. Look past the words and it's an empty post with nothing. Absolutely no valuable. The ONLY THING that post did was explain why he doesn't think GMarshal is scum. He then proceeds to bring up the list, which I believe was already a dead discussion, quotes the WHOLE DAMN THING and simply says "It will be important in the future" His next 6 posts have a bare minimum of 2 SENTENCES in them. They don't contribute shit. All he's doing is talking just to stay off the lurker list while not helping Town at all. I ask everyone to spare 10 minutes of their time and read Drazerk's post history in this thread. He hasn't done jack squat all the while trying to start a bandwagon and accuse people of the same exact crime he is committing. As of now I find him a way better lynch candid then anyone else here. I will be voting for Drazerk, and I plan to keep it there. ##Vote: Drazerk What makes this FoS interesting is that for all it's length, it is really rather weak. His first statement is that he feels Drazerk is scummy because he isn't attempting to contribute and is just spamming. So...why all the spam from yourself, Cthasza? The posts of Drazerk's you referenced had more content than yours. This is literally the only post you have made all game that is longer than a few lines. ##Vote: Cthasza | ||
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On June 29 2011 10:47 Cthsazsa wrote: Explain how the posts I quoted have more content than mine. That's really damned hard to believe. Also, should I quote every single of his one-liners as well? I was the first (and only) person to say that flawed plans do not equal scum is a lesson learned from PTP. Personally I dont think most of those posts are spam. I was pushing for discussion of LSB's plan because he was hesitating to tell us. Sinani was confused about who I was referring to, why would I simply ignore him? Since there was no other discussion happening at the time I decided there was no harm in pondering if the hit was scum or vigi. The answer was obvious, so I think that one post actually might qualify as spam. Actually if I explained the whole concept of a Zodiac list it would just clutter up the thread with useless shit. Read: PTP Since when did ebwop's become spam? It's funny how you're saying Drazerk's post has more content then me, which is a blatant lie. If you dont believe me then go back and read his post history, plz. Try again before calling me scum, kthanxbye That's actually a really good defense Cthsazsa, and you've alleviated my fears that you're scum. Thank you for the quick response. I'll take my vote off of you before day ends. I'm beginning to agree about Drazerk, but there are a few questions I have regarding that: 1. How do we know he is just not noob town? Has he played much before? 2. Why is there no resistance to his lynch party? 3. If he is mafia, you would think his scumbuddies would be helping him improve his posting. | ||
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On June 29 2011 01:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Only 4 pages in 8 hours...not bad guys, but it seems we're caught up in a lot of mudslinging and tunneling, something I thought we as a town vowed not to do d1. Yes, we have to find a lynch target for today...but come on guys. Bring a case with SUBSTANCE. I know, I haven't done much in the way of scumhunting yet. You don't have to remind me. I'm working on a case as we speak. Just letting you know I'm awake and reading. Ciao! This post was made 12 hours ago. As Palmar pointed out, I haven't seen a case yet. Why not? | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:29 syllogism wrote: I'm not afraid of leading bad lynches at all, but I'm not going to lead lynches I don't believe in. There are a few players who are slightly suspicious (Drazerk for one), but the problem for me is that it's impossible to tell if they are bad town (like me I suppose), or bad mafia. Such a lynch is definitely preferable to lynching an active, contributing player like GMarshall, so I'll commit to such a lynch later or even make a case. There are also surprisingly many good players still lurking. Also I maintain my analysis of the game mechanics was clearly pro-town and useful, which is more than can be said of your contributions so far. ##Vote: syllogism | ||
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We start out with a bandwagon on Drazerk with seemingly no resistance. A DT dies, after he had been tunneling Drazerk. For some reason this convinces everyone to jump off of his bandwagon. MAJOR target deflection onto VisceraEyes, someone who it isn't likely TAA checked, based on his posts. Target deflection is a good way to resist a bandwagon without being obvious. On the VisceraEyes lynch, I see a bandwagon that is even faster and less resisted than Drazerks was. Let's also note that syllogism was gaining a fair number of votes before TAA died. So tell me, what real reason do you guys have for changing your votes off of Drazerk? What really changed when TAA died? Here is what I propose. A vig shoots Drazerk. We lynch syllogism or VisceraEyes. All three of these players have very good cases against them. Tomorrow a vig uses their lurker shot on ~OpZ~, a veteran player who has been lurking and is entirely aware of it, and doesn't seem to care about it. People have also brought up sinani206 again. After reading through his posts, he seems more like an inexperienced townie than a mafia. | ||
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On June 29 2011 23:39 DropBear wrote: Dude the votes went ON to Drazerk after the detective died. His vote count doubled in no time after TAA died. He was leading the lynch by about 10 votes. I completely oppose the cases on both Drazerk and syllogism. Viscera needs to speak up and if I had to choose one of these three it would be him. Oh hell I just looked at page 3 and saw a couple Unvote Drazerk, Vote VisEyes Drazerk is still in the lead. You can ignore my post now | ||
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With that said, I will be voting to lynch either Drazerk or VisceraEyes. At this particular moment I am leaning more towards Viscera. I will make my choice between the two within a few hours. | ||
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VisceraEyes, on the other hand, has promised analysis multiple times and has not contributed it. This is one of the biggest scum tells I've found in games I've played before. Here are all the posts in which he has said he is working on a case/will contribute + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote: :O I go to do research to answer GM's question and I come back to this?!?! Real Time is going to be INSANITY. Vaccuous and fluffy. I think 201 is leading there with the 8-10 (exaggeration, but just barely) posts concerning his name. Yes, we get it. They're not the same people. I was also going to say LSB for talking about a plan to put people on the lurker list and then not following through...but.... On June 29 2011 01:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Only 4 pages in 8 hours...not bad guys, but it seems we're caught up in a lot of mudslinging and tunneling, something I thought we as a town vowed not to do d1. Yes, we have to find a lynch target for today...but come on guys. Bring a case with SUBSTANCE. I know, I haven't done much in the way of scumhunting yet. You don't have to remind me. I'm working on a case as we speak. Just letting you know I'm awake and reading. Ciao! On June 29 2011 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote: It appears the main topic of discussion here is Dazek vs. Syllogism. In the name of keeping discussion down to a few candidates, I'm going to go ahead and read back through these two individuals' posts. Stay tuned! On June 29 2011 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I fail to see how you flipping green will prove ANYTHING about GM. You could just as easily be wrong about GM. However, if you flip RED, it's unlikely that GM is town...but I wouldn't lynch him based on that alone. Dealing in absolutes is very scummy to me. Just sayin. Back to reading. -.- Here are all the posts in which he has provided his personal opinion on the game/suspects. + Show Spoiler + Not a single one of his posts makes me feel he is a townie. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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On June 30 2011 00:16 Palmar wrote: Okay, your call. I am going to stick with trying to lead the town on Drazerk. If you succeed in pulling people in on the VisceraEyes lynch, then I will obviously switch over, as I was the one who brought him up in the first place. My fear was we wouldn't get enough support, but you just might. My argument for Drazerk is that lynching a target with no content that was being tunneled by a confirmed DT is a better lynch than most on day 1. It is a good lynch. Good luck with your VisceraEyes train. It's a good lynch too. I sincerely hope both those players will end up dead tomorrow. I think it was Mr.Wiggles who brought this up earlier. Don't lynch someone you think is useless - lynch who you think is most scummy. Seriously, go back through Drazerk's post history and find me posts that are more scummy than VisceraEyes. Show me why he is more likely to be mafia than Vis is, because right now I don't see it, and I don't want a townie lynched when we can get scum. | ||
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Explain to me how he is MORE scummy than VisceraEyes. Tell me why I should vote Drazerk over Vis. Explain why there has been no resistance to his bandwagon. Explain why Viscera hasn't posted the analysis that he has promised to multiple times. | ||
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On June 30 2011 01:17 Jackal58 wrote: The question there is who did he really check? A better argument can be made that he checked GMarshall. Exactly this. You are betting on the fact that he checked Drazerk, when we have no way of knowing for sure. In fact, he could have been roleblocked or not have used his check at all yet. It brings to mind Mafia XXXIX, in which Mig flipped DT in the endgame. Everyone was convinced he checked me because he randomly said he thought I was town twice. However, the obvious read was not correct - he had checked someone completely different. Use analysis, not assumption. | ||
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On June 30 2011 01:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Guys, wow. I've literally never awoken to find this many votes on a totally different target than before (let alone the other target being ME). Holy piss. Yes, I've promised contribution. I've been rereading and rereading and rereading again. The result is not-so-surprising. Instead of defending myself (I have excuses, none of them good), I'm going to share my thoughts with the town as a whole. Give me a few minutes to get everything together, but now that the pressure is on, you can believe me this time. :D I expect nothing short of spectacular from you. You've put it off long enough that I don't trust you at all anymore, and it only makes me more suspicious that you react as soon as pressure is put on you. | ||
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I highly suggest a vigi hit on this guy. If you're still alive tomorrow I'll be voting for you. You're scum trying to deflect a lynch away from your mafioso friend VisceraEyes (who still hasn't contributed his analysis) VisceraEyes and youngminii are scum. If you guys lynch Drazek and he flips green I'm gonna facepalm so hard I'll probably concuss myself. If that happens, vig Viscera and youngminii, cause they're scum. | ||
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However, it is far short of spectacular. Great job picking up on cases people have already made though. You really didn't contribute anything new, and you've done nothing to convince me that you're not scum. On June 30 2011 02:35 sandroba wrote: Okay someone pointed out that he started tunneling Drazerk before he could have got his check back. The way this bandwagon is going drazerk will most likely flip town. I'm back on sinani206, for the reasons I stated previously. I think he's the best lynch. Drazerk is a better lynch than 206, and Viscera is a better lynch than Drazerk. I highly suggest you change your vote to Viscera. He's scum. | ||
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I really think you should pick between Drazerk and VisceraEyes for your vote. It would be way too easy for scum to vote for someone who isn't going to get lynched so they won't have to be held accountable for their vote. Those two are way bigger suspects than 206, in my opinion. | ||
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Say we lynch Drazerk and he flips red, though. Mafia then have a confirmed DT to shoot or roleblock as they see fit. We lynch Viscera and he flips red, and scum gain nothing new. Either way viscera ends up dead or useless. I feel it is more likely that Drazerk is town than Viscera is, so I will leave my vote. Compulsive Vigilante(s) - be ready to use your shot as soon as day 2 begins before you have a chance to be killed or roleblocked if it turns out that Viscera flips DT. I say one-shot vigi's save their bullets, because this way the compulsives can put their shot to better use than they would otherwise. | ||
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Because I would have expected a hit on GMarshal a long time ago, but it all depends on what his role is/what information was shared. 1) He is mafia and a vig shoots him. This would be posted by a host 2) He is veteran and a vig shoots him. This may or may not be posted by a host It's good to see you stepping out of the shadows Jackal. I was beginning to think you were scummy because you hadn't posted much. I agree with you on OpZ, and think he would be an excellent lurker hit if we have vigilantes. On June 30 2011 22:36 Palmar wrote: how about we lynch either mig or dropbear? At this very moment I cannot recall any of Mig's posts, nor my opinion of his alignment. I am slightly suspicious of DropBear, but I have no real reasoning for it. I'll go back through these players posts today and see what I come up with, although I think there are better candidates for today's lynch. Why these two players specifically? | ||
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And just a heads up to everyone, I will be graduating today so I won't be on here very frequently (or at all) over the next 24 hours. | ||
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On July 01 2011 00:37 GMarshal wrote: I approve. However I would have liked for that bullet to have hit me instead. Why, because you're just a goon? Even if you are a veteran and taking a hit would confirm you, it's better to kill a mafia than confirm a townie. You're not making any sense to me GM. You're playing a more pro-town game than almost anyone, and yet every now and then you post something like this that just doesn't make sense. However, I doubt a mafia would call a vigi shot to them. | ||
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youngminii - Started off Day 1 with random accusations less than an hour in, attempting to disrupt a pro-town atmosphere. He still hasn't convinced me he is town. I'd like to see explanations for posts like this one On July 01 2011 01:23 youngminii wrote: Right now I am absolutely fine with a lynch on the following: syllogism sinani206 Varpulis (pending check) Vain GMarshal - Started off Day 1 extremely pro-town, but has had some weird things going on at the end into the beginning of Day 2. This will easily be solved by a smart vigilante. We either have dead scum or confirmed vet syllogism - Giving me bad vibes, and there was something specific that I or someone else had earlier (if I didn't mention it, somebody else did and I made a mental note of it and forgot to actually record it). I'll see if I can find it tomorrow OpZ - For a veteran player he's not doing too well. Ended up on the lurker list and hasn't been pro-town by any stretch of the imagination. He would be an excellent lurker hit today imo. People I think are town sinani206 - I was rather suspicious of his posts to begin with, so I checked over them. I think it is far more likely that he is town than scum, he has had some that can be construed as anti-town, but I do not believe that was their intention. Palmar - Sure, there are some people who are suspicious of him, but all I can see is that it revolves around him being too pro-town. He has shown that he is charismatic and can be a good leader, and he has had many opportunities to use this to completely derail discussion, but has instead used it to focus discussion when it begins to get scattered or off-topic. Uncertain VisceraEyes - Could be DT, could be a major bus. However, if he returns Varpulis result as town and viscera is scum, he'll easily be counterclaimed. Varp, if he claims you are vanilla town and you are a blue role, wait until the last six hours to refute his claim. Lanaia - I had an early town read on (him/her?) because everything posted was consistently solid and pro-town. However, since then I haven't seen much content, and I am growing more suspicious. Cthsazsa - Similar case to Lanaia. I already made an admittedly weak case, and he shot it down with no problem. It was such a good case that I was convinced he was town. However, a lack of content since then has disturbed me. Vain - I have seen nothing really pro-town, so I'll be keeping a close eye on him. He's leaning more towards scummy than uncertain. Anyone else I have no real read on at the moment. The uncertain players I mentioned are simply the ones I have no read on that stand out to me. | ||
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On July 01 2011 01:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, check is back...I'm not disclosing role because that would give information to all you mafia out there, but I can say that he's innocent. So there you have it...my one free investigation. Either DB was targetting me or all the mafia roleblocks were still on cooldown. Now we have to figure out how to proceed from here. I suggest d3 I do a lurker check - there are some serious people on the lurker list, not just the typical new players I was expecting to see there...so we should consider doing a lurker check d3. I'm going back to reread posts from the following: Lanaia, 201, Mr.Wiggles, and Vain. I'm hoping something comes up, as I'm not really hopeful about getting a check d3. PS, I'm still waiting on a vig to confirm GM's claim...a confirmed townie in GM would be a powerful weapon against scum. So let's see. A mafioso posing as a DT would have access to alignment, but not role. How convenient. Here is what I suggest. In the last 6 hours of day, you reveal the role Varp returned. He then confirms it or refutes it. If he refutes it, we lynch you because you're scum. If he confirms it, you either had a lucky guess or you're actually a DT. Does this work for everyone? | ||
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On July 01 2011 02:05 Vain wrote: That's actually not a bad idea. But what if they're both scum? If they're both scum then we still have at least one real DT out there, and I suggest they check either Viscera or Varp asap. If we hear from a DT that those two are lying scumfaces, we lynch them both. If we hear nothing, they're clear. | ||
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On July 01 2011 02:05 syllogism wrote: That doesn't make sense to me. Why not update it in real time? This. On July 01 2011 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote: My only problem with that is that I'm marked for death anyway, on d3 or 4, so my reports can be either confirmed or ignored. Outting Varpulis' role will give Mafia more information than they already have...making their snipes more accurate. Luckily they haven't had the aim they had in XLII, and I'm not really willing to give them a sniper scope. If Chaos' plan is acceptable to the rest of town, I'll submit to it, but only if it's agreed upon by the town. My plan is much more efficient now that a roleblocker is dead. It depends on the setup, but if they even have a roleblocker left, there is just one of them. This means that even if varp is blue and you have to out him, they have to choose between him and a DT to block. Medics, be on your game. Be ready to protect varp/viscera right as day 3 begins. Let's hope you're in the right time zone to do so | ||
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Oh and Palmar, don't make lists like this On July 01 2011 19:10 Palmar wrote: By the way, on a completely unrelated note. I re-read everything by chaos13 I could find, but at this point I don't think he's scum. But given it's based on my analysis, this probably just means he's not a cop. Probably town Supersoft (replacement for sinani206) Cthsazsa Mig chaos13 Eiii VisceraEyes Null read gtrsrs Mataza (replaced aprudds) youngminii Jackal58 Vain ~OpZ~ Could be scum GMarshal Hyaach hiro protagonist Sinani201 AKA Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles syllogism This is just based on quick observation of the current state of the game. Note that I've listed like 6 possible scum, which obviously is never going to be correct. I'm particularly interested in Hiro Protagonist (who was accused early by now known mafia, but then just disappeared) and Mr. Wiggles (who wrote a pretty damning analysis of Hiro Protagonist). Unless you provide reasoning for each name you put on it. A list like this is simply a nothing post, but when you explain why, it becomes a valuable resource for determining your alignment. | ||
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On July 02 2011 02:37 gtrsrs wrote: wondering where you picked up on a frantic tone?!!?!?!??!? can you point out which posts are frantic?????? (extra !'s and ?'s added for humor, not emphasis (but my question does stand)) As soon as that case is posted you say things like this: On July 02 2011 00:51 gtrsrs wrote: i don't think youngmini is a good lynch at all i still think we should hit the sinani that didn't sub out, which i think is sinani201, or GMarshal. the proposed method of dealing with GMarshal seems like it will work fine so to me, sinani201 is the target of choice You provide no reasoning as for why you don't think we should lynch YM. Then you suggest another target, but don't explain why again. On July 02 2011 00:52 gtrsrs wrote: and actually the case against hiro is pretty decent so i'd be willing to throw down a hiro vote Then you post this. Not "I think he's scummy", but "It's a good case", and you don't provide anything further on it. So as soon as your godfather is threatened you frantically try to deflect attention away from him. You don't provide any explanation as to why you don't think YM is a good lynch, and you don't provide an explanation for the candidates you would comfortable with lynching over YM. | ||
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On July 02 2011 03:51 gtrsrs wrote: @chaos13 i've already explained my reasons for wanting to lynch 201, re-read my posts to see why i'm fine with lynching hiro too, if you need me to say the magic words "i think he's scummy" then i think he's scummy. there's already a hella case against him and i feel no need to extrapolate and again i want to ask you seems to me like you're putting a false sense of urgency onto my posts, trying to make me look bad for no reason. what's your motive bro i just don't think youngminii is a good lynch. he's been pro-town all game. but i also don't think syllogism is a good lynch either, i think he's been pro-town as well. i don't think one of them HAS to be mafia and i would be surprised if either were anyways i need somewhere to move my vote off of GMarshal so we can just shoot him tomorrow. anyone have any suggestions or going to start a BW? I don't think YM has been pro-town at all. Hell, he started the game out with random accusations, and since then he hasn't really done anything to greatly improve his standing. I read a frantic tone in your posts. Maybe that wasn't your intent, but that's what I got out of them. Your slight OMGUS here doesn't help you at all | ||
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On July 02 2011 03:51 gtrsrs wrote: seems to me like you're putting a false sense of urgency onto my posts, trying to make me look bad for no reason. what's your motive bro Do you deny saying this then? All I can interpret this as is an accusation of me. | ||
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Good game everyone. I have to give a big thanks to Palmar for making this game so enjoyable. Without his leading the town and keeping everything on track it would have been a mess of weak FoS's and we wouldn't have got anything done. I have no idea why scum didn't shoot him. Good work on picking up my breadcrumb as well. I was going to crumb my second check, which was Jackal, but I came online and discovered I was dead. At the time I sent in my check he wasn't being very active, and holding back his opinions. Almost immediately after it was sent, he started posting more and acting very pro-town. It is reasons like this why you don't want to hold back, even on day 1. Establish your innocence asap so you don't make town waste a dt check or vig hit on you. We had a really good pro-town atmosphere this game, which I think contributed a lot to our win besides scum mistakes. | ||
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"Sick that chaos was the other detective. He made it so obvious with how anti VE he was. Silly chaos. But that is why I really wish we had shot him before varp. Oh well." I was trying to make it obvious that I was against VE. If VE was a real DT, no harm done. If he was mafia, you guys shoot me and town now knows to lynch VE because there is no way there would be 3 DT's. I was also able to breadcrumb (quite obviously) my check on one of towns major suspects and save a medic from being lynched. Dying when I did actually did more for town than staying alive and checking someone would. | ||
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