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On July 01 2011 00:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 00:13 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Actually we can confirm his checks. We can't confirm you though.
#vote: RebirthofLegend Cool dude, how do you propose that we confirm his checks? You can't, go back to lurking scum. I don't care if I need allies right now, I am not going to pretend you and LSB still aren't on my radar for playing like shit.
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On June 30 2011 23:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
As stated in this post, DT claiming is retarded, and from a lessor player I might consider making an exception based on lack of experience and confidence, but fishball obviously won't get that luxury. Claiming is so fucking INCREDIBLY bad.
So if it was me who claimed, you'd make an exception and just admit you're mafia, but since it's fishball you're going to fight?
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On July 01 2011 00:20 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 23:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
As stated in this post, DT claiming is retarded, and from a lessor player I might consider making an exception based on lack of experience and confidence, but fishball obviously won't get that luxury. Claiming is so fucking INCREDIBLY bad. So if it was me who claimed, you'd make an exception and just admit you're mafia, but since it's fishball you're going to fight?
No, I mean make an exception to generally shitty DT play and ignoring obvious shit. Newer players tend to lack confidence and make there argument about the DT check. The better way is to abuse a DT check to milk information from the town.
I am saying it was uncharacteristically bad play, which only a newb might get exemption from, I just worded it a bit funny. Please don't get caught up on semantics.
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On July 01 2011 00:17 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 00:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On July 01 2011 00:13 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Actually we can confirm his checks. We can't confirm you though.
#vote: RebirthofLegend Cool dude, how do you propose that we confirm his checks? You can't, go back to lurking scum. I don't care if I need allies right now, I am not going to pretend you and LSB still aren't on my radar for playing like shit. blah blah blahhhhhhhhhhh
BACK UNDER YER BRIDGE.
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On July 01 2011 00:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
But how could I explain that? Simple, VisceraEyes is the medic, who viewed me not killing him as being protown, and thus decided to protect me for not hammering him D1. He seemed really happy and eager to prove his townieness after being spared, and this is what I could come up with, to me its the only thing that makes sense to explain me surviving.
I don't have time to respond in detail to your other post yet, but ROFL at this.
You made me laugh out loud at work, and my co-workers were looking at me funny ;/
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On July 01 2011 00:23 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 00:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
But how could I explain that? Simple, VisceraEyes is the medic, who viewed me not killing him as being protown, and thus decided to protect me for not hammering him D1. He seemed really happy and eager to prove his townieness after being spared, and this is what I could come up with, to me its the only thing that makes sense to explain me surviving.
I don't have time to respond in detail to your other post yet, but ROFL at this. You made me laugh out loud at work, and my co-workers were looking at me funny ;/
The next 36 hours and 34 minutes are going to consist of you slowly becoming my bitch.
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On July 01 2011 00:16 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 00:13 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 23:58 Jackal58 wrote:
Perhaps I'm being naive or foolish but I'm going to take fishball at his word. GMarshal's plan for lynching the DT first revolved around preventing scum from making a false claim. He appeared to have enough support in his plan that I gotta believe Fishball is telling the truth. I can't see the scum team putting one of their own so close to a noose. There is a really good reason in this particular case for lynching RoL first. We can gamble on getting a ton of extra informaton, but only if you have faith in your Emperor. Listen my Icelandic twin, doing this is stupid. Read what I wrote above, this is a gamble that won't pan out which is why we so heavily discouraged DT claims and even provided the exact way a DT should go about his successful role checks.
Thing is, in general I agree with you and not fishball, he should in all honesty have pushed the case through analysis. But there are some other factors in this.
And don't think for even one second I believe this somehow clears BC, hell no.
But one of you is mafia, that's how much we know, so eventually both of you are going to die. The only reason I want you dead over Fishball, is that keeping him alive for more nights does one of two things.
a) He's scum. As long as we make sure to take everything he says with a grain of salt, he is forced to lie and deceive until his death. If all he has is innocent reports and he doesn't end up dead in a night or two, he's going to hang
b) He's really a DT, he still will dig up more information that we can use, and will have an extra night, or even two, to get more information. In addition, if he's truly a DT, the mafia will certainly either roleblock or kill him. If he claims roleblocked we just hang him, and that means one extra night where some other role isn't being blocked. If the mafia kills him, which I very much doubt, then they've done our work for us.
1 for 1 in any case.
But killing you gives Fishball a chance to investigate, or lie, more. Both something that can be used further into the game.
Killing Fishball simply means that we lose another day lynching you, as there is no way in hell the mafia will kill you as they know we're going to have to do it anyway the next day.
I see no reason you should not hang tonight.
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On July 01 2011 00:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 23:20 Fishball wrote:On June 30 2011 22:03 Caller wrote:
RoL, you should claim. It doesn't matter what he claims, as in my eyes, whatever he claims would be a lie. It was rather fortunate for him that he actually said a Medic saved him last night. If he claims that he is a Veteran, than obviously one of us is lying (not like he isn't already). If I'm lying, there there will be no argument. But a Mafia Veteran? Good luck with that. Now, he claims that a Medic saved him. No, I don't need the Medic to come fourth to prove the claim if a Medic did save him, but there are a few questions everyone might want to ask themselves first. - RoL has not exactly shown the strongest Town-aligned play in this game, in fact, alot of his stuff falls into the grey area. The "oops, I missed my vote" move he pulled at the end raised eyebrows. Why would a Medic, among all players, would choose to protect him? - Caller has claimed Vigilante and shot GMarshal at the start (I'm still pondering this). deconduo has also claimed Vigilante. So if what RoL says is true, there has to a third Vigilante or similar type of role out there that has Night KP. What is the likelihood of this? - You combine the two variables up top; What is the likelihood that RoL's claim is true? - Furthermore, do I seem to be making up all this fuss just to paint RoL red? That's all I have to say. You know what, lets get serious. I think I have actually figured out exactly what happened and it makes perfect sense. I know I was floating somewhat in the gray area since I hadn't actually done a lot of legwork on day 1, and hell I don't even know what I was more surprised about, getting hit or getting protected. But I think I figured it out. Since you are scum and you are using my voting no lynch accident as the thing that made me look scummy, and by association made VisceraEyes look scummy, meaning you basically lined up a vig/lynch for the next cycle as well as getting me offed. But how could I explain that? Simple, VisceraEyes is the medic, who viewed me not killing him as being protown, and thus decided to protect me for not hammering him D1. He seemed really happy and eager to prove his townieness after being spared, and this is what I could come up with, to me its the only thing that makes sense to explain me surviving. Considering someone died last night though, I am unsure of where the extra KP came from, I first guess would be that caller lied and is a compulsive/multi hit role and just tried to kill me, perhaps even a third party. He said something about suspecting me earlier in the night. At the same time this would mean both me and scamp took a hit last night, which is odd. I would view the scamp hit as more likely a mafia hit trying to blue snipe. On the flip side I think this means I must have been hit by a third party. I think if I was caller and third party a good way of trying to play this game would be to try and kill the mafia off knowing that even if you hit a townie you are still helping your win conditions. This would also explain to me how caller is claiming to have multiple powers that we can't fully understand. This would also explain why he didn't give a fuck and just day 1'd Gmarshal, a generally very good town player who establishes himself really well in games as town which could be problematic later on if he called out caller on his trolly bullshit.
RoL, stop dodging and claim. You're trying to pull a busdrove onto a dead guy as an insane DT.
So let's take your hypothetical here. That I'm actually a 3rd party. Firstly this means through your inference that you "know" I'm not mafia. That's a scumslip. But let's say its not strong enough.
If I were 3rd party, would I claim that I'm a killing role? Would I also say I have one bullet, and then proceed to shoot somebody else? Let's think about it:
In a game of this size, reasonably there would be 1 or 2 Vigilantes at the most.
Deconduo was a vigilante. I can confirm this because I was also a vigilante and he said things that only a vigilante in this game would know. Namely, we both only have one bullet, and some other things. So there are no more vigilantes in this game.
I shot GMarshal. There was only one other hit Night 0. It must have been the mafia hit, because I would've gotten my shot refunded otherwise (hint: I didn't.) By deduction, since a 3rd party role wants to kill people, the fact that nobody else died means that either I am the 3rd party or there is no 3rd party. You claimed that you were shot last night, and Scamp also died. Therefore, you say there were two hits. I did not shoot, because I only had one bullet that was used Night 0. If I was 3rd party, why would I endanger myself by shooting? I'd prove myself to either be 3rd party or a liar, both of which are lynchworthy. As I've already shown, either I am the 3rd party or there is no 3rd party as seen in night 0. There is no reason for me, if I were 3rd party, to trap myself in this situation, especially by doing what I did. If town wouldn't kill a 3rd party in that situation, mafia would.
Basically, unless you're saying I'm violating the "play-to-win" rule, and saying I deserve to be modkilled, you're full of shit and also a liar. You didn't take a hit last night, and this was clearly planned ahead of time (as you'll see below). I'm now utterly convinced that Fishball is legit.
When I claimed, this was your reaction:
lol I am so happy caller is actually doing work now. That post on LSB will save me some time later on. On the bright side, I can now stop labeling you as effortless troll!
Why the sudden about face? Was it because this was a plan that you created to get town to waste a lynch on me? Good try, but now you're in the shithole.
Also, I remember you pulling a similar stunt back a long, long time ago. This game, in fact: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=83951¤tpage=30#594 . Turned out you were mafia that game.
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You present the reason to not lynch fishball too haphazardly. It's not that straight forward, as I said he can straight bullshit with his claim indefinitely. You are not going to get him to slip up and make rookie mistakes, I mean for fucks sake, I had the guy as town and he pulls this shit on me. You aren't going to catch him lying, and that means he's going to get you guys dying.
The part that makes this even worse is that since all active medics will be protecting fishball, all the other townies who mafia might of avoided in fear of hitting a medic are now free kills. So you get double fucked. This means you and BC are going to die asap if you are town, and by the time you figure out fishball you are going to be fucked. I can almost guarantee you if you kill me, the next mafia hit will be a high profile townie, since all medics are going to be in an obvious location.
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You fool no one should be protecting Fishball. He, like Decon and Caller yesterday, made themselves liabilities. If you claim, medics should not feel compelled to protect someone because they "said they were a DT/Vigi." If Fishball thinks he's going to get all of this magic protection tonight he's clearly not playing as well as he used to. He knew the risks, and he acknowledged the fact that he shouldn't have claimed. You haven't given us shit all game so far.
Every post is "im catching up" or "I agree." You haven't once presented an original idea which leads me to believe you're just trying to bullshit your way through the game, hoping no one catches you. You were suspicious day 1, now you're even more suspicious. You're clinging onto these little connections that are making you look even more scummy. Instead of just claiming, or doing anything helpful, you're belittling Caller. Good idea.
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On July 01 2011 00:48 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 00:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 30 2011 23:20 Fishball wrote:On June 30 2011 22:03 Caller wrote:
RoL, you should claim. It doesn't matter what he claims, as in my eyes, whatever he claims would be a lie. It was rather fortunate for him that he actually said a Medic saved him last night. If he claims that he is a Veteran, than obviously one of us is lying (not like he isn't already). If I'm lying, there there will be no argument. But a Mafia Veteran? Good luck with that. Now, he claims that a Medic saved him. No, I don't need the Medic to come fourth to prove the claim if a Medic did save him, but there are a few questions everyone might want to ask themselves first. - RoL has not exactly shown the strongest Town-aligned play in this game, in fact, alot of his stuff falls into the grey area. The "oops, I missed my vote" move he pulled at the end raised eyebrows. Why would a Medic, among all players, would choose to protect him? - Caller has claimed Vigilante and shot GMarshal at the start (I'm still pondering this). deconduo has also claimed Vigilante. So if what RoL says is true, there has to a third Vigilante or similar type of role out there that has Night KP. What is the likelihood of this? - You combine the two variables up top; What is the likelihood that RoL's claim is true? - Furthermore, do I seem to be making up all this fuss just to paint RoL red? That's all I have to say. You know what, lets get serious. I think I have actually figured out exactly what happened and it makes perfect sense. I know I was floating somewhat in the gray area since I hadn't actually done a lot of legwork on day 1, and hell I don't even know what I was more surprised about, getting hit or getting protected. But I think I figured it out. Since you are scum and you are using my voting no lynch accident as the thing that made me look scummy, and by association made VisceraEyes look scummy, meaning you basically lined up a vig/lynch for the next cycle as well as getting me offed. But how could I explain that? Simple, VisceraEyes is the medic, who viewed me not killing him as being protown, and thus decided to protect me for not hammering him D1. He seemed really happy and eager to prove his townieness after being spared, and this is what I could come up with, to me its the only thing that makes sense to explain me surviving. Considering someone died last night though, I am unsure of where the extra KP came from, I first guess would be that caller lied and is a compulsive/multi hit role and just tried to kill me, perhaps even a third party. He said something about suspecting me earlier in the night. At the same time this would mean both me and scamp took a hit last night, which is odd. I would view the scamp hit as more likely a mafia hit trying to blue snipe. On the flip side I think this means I must have been hit by a third party. I think if I was caller and third party a good way of trying to play this game would be to try and kill the mafia off knowing that even if you hit a townie you are still helping your win conditions. This would also explain to me how caller is claiming to have multiple powers that we can't fully understand. This would also explain why he didn't give a fuck and just day 1'd Gmarshal, a generally very good town player who establishes himself really well in games as town which could be problematic later on if he called out caller on his trolly bullshit. RoL, stop dodging and claim. You're trying to pull a busdrove onto a dead guy as an insane DT. So let's take your hypothetical here. That I'm actually a 3rd party. Firstly this means through your inference that you "know" I'm not mafia. That's a scumslip. But let's say its not strong enough. If I were 3rd party, would I claim that I'm a killing role? Would I also say I have one bullet, and then proceed to shoot somebody else? Let's think about it: In a game of this size, reasonably there would be 1 or 2 Vigilantes at the most. Deconduo was a vigilante. I can confirm this because I was also a vigilante and he said things that only a vigilante in this game would know. Namely, we both only have one bullet, and some other things. So there are no more vigilantes in this game.
I explained how your behavior could be explained by third party actions. What kind of fucking vigilante can hit on N0 and even more to the point, what type of Vigilante hits for the fuck of it? The best part about your little Deconduo claim is that it is impossible for him to confirm this since he has been mod killed. In the same breath you say that only you and Deconduo were vigilantes, then explain why the fuck I got hit? Yeah, thought so. GTFO.
I shot GMarshal. There was only one other hit Night 0. It must have been the mafia hit, because I would've gotten my shot refunded otherwise (hint: I didn't.) By deduction, since a 3rd party role wants to kill people, the fact that nobody else died means that either I am the 3rd party or there is no 3rd party. You claimed that you were shot last night, and Scamp also died. Therefore, you say there were two hits. I did not shoot, because I only had one bullet that was used Night 0. If I was 3rd party, why would I endanger myself by shooting? I'd prove myself to either be 3rd party or a liar, both of which are lynchworthy. As I've already shown, either I am the 3rd party or there is no 3rd party as seen in night 0. There is no reason for me, if I were 3rd party, to trap myself in this situation, especially by doing what I did. If town wouldn't kill a 3rd party in that situation, mafia would.
Basically, unless you're saying I'm violating the "play-to-win" rule, and saying I deserve to be modkilled, you're full of shit and also a liar. You didn't take a hit last night, and this was clearly planned ahead of time (as you'll see below). I'm now utterly convinced that Fishball is legit.
We don't know the nature of your potential third party powers or objective. I never said you were a straight serial killer or anything. And as for violating your win conditions by doing something insane in a closed set up game. Lets look back to that game you claimed insane Japanese-Israeli busdriver and managed to not fucking die even after I tried firing two nukes at you. So forgive me if I don't think you will die because of one simple lie, which can easily be explained by some sort of greater good excuse to be determined at a later time.
When I claimed, this was your reaction: Show nested quote +lol I am so happy caller is actually doing work now. That post on LSB will save me some time later on. On the bright side, I can now stop labeling you as effortless troll! Why the sudden about face? Was it because this was a plan that you created to get town to waste a lynch on me? Good try, but now you're in the shithole. Also, I remember you pulling a similar stunt back a long, long time ago. This game, in fact: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=83951¤tpage=30#594 . Turned out you were mafia that game. ##Vote: RebirthofLegend
There was never an about face, don't make shit up. As I said before, as a third party your best method to win in this set up would be to try to kill the mafia, as I said LSB is town. Me saying you look shitty now doesn't mean I can't agree with you that LSB looks shitty. Your logic is completely wrong and you know it. That's roughly equivalent to saying "If someone flips town, then everything they said was right." Inversely speaking, If I think you are scum, then you must be wrong/lying in your accusation.
That is not the case, since both you, me, and fishball say LSB looks like shit. As far as getting the town to waste a lynch on you goes, I am perfectly fine with you targeting mafia. I also have no clue what stunt you are referring to and can't even remember that game, so you might have to be more specific.
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On July 01 2011 01:06 Amber[LighT] wrote:
You fool no one should be protecting Fishball. He, like Decon and Caller yesterday, made themselves liabilities. If you claim, medics should not feel compelled to protect someone because they "said they were a DT/Vigi." If Fishball thinks he's going to get all of this magic protection tonight he's clearly not playing as well as he used to. He knew the risks, and he acknowledged the fact that he shouldn't have claimed. You haven't given us shit all game so far.
Yeah, clearly you didn't read Fishball's post. On top of which you seem to not understand that while that may be good advice to not protect an infidel like fishball, don't be surprised if a medic doesn't listen to you.
Every post is "im catching up" or "I agree." You haven't once presented an original idea which leads me to believe you're just trying to bullshit your way through the game, hoping no one catches you. You were suspicious day 1, now you're even more suspicious. You're clinging onto these little connections that are making you look even more scummy. Instead of just claiming, or doing anything helpful, you're belittling Caller. Good idea.
First off, you are one to talk about not presenting an original idea. While I may have just agreed with the Chaoser/Viscera lynch, I gave my own reasoning. At the same time I was the first person to expand in detail on why this whole DT claim shit sucks.
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You couldn't minimize SC2 to vote for VisceraEyes. You were the deciding vote.
Seriously though... Desert Strike? You couldn't alt+tab for 2 seconds?
Since you obviously read the thread, you must have forgotten that I did present a voting idea that was promptly ignored by everyone, and trolled on by about 3 people, Caller being one of them. Everything that happened during Day 1 would have been prevented if people just listened to me, or at least acknowledged my post. I don't recall you replying to it.
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On July 01 2011 01:14 Amber[LighT] wrote:
You couldn't minimize SC2 to vote for VisceraEyes. You were the deciding vote.
Seriously though... Desert Strike? You couldn't alt+tab for 2 seconds?
Since you obviously read the thread, you must have forgotten that I did present a voting idea that was promptly ignored by everyone, and trolled on by about 3 people, Caller being one of them. Everything that happened during Day 1 would have been prevented if people just listened to me, or at least acknowledged my post. I don't recall you replying to it.
Wrong day, it was monobattles, as I have said 5 times. You are looking at the wrong day. On top of which, it was an intense game. We were Tank/Phoenix/Marauder vs Marine/ling/ling and we won. Not the easiest thing to do by any means. On top of that, I just forgot I had to do that. Believe it or not, I forgot. More to the point, I am not stupid enough to push a team mate aggressively then "accidentally" forget to make sure he dies.
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Are You really trying to divert the lynch telling us that Third Party role exists and it is Caller? Lol.
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On July 01 2011 01:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I explained how your behavior could be explained by third party actions. What kind of fucking vigilante can hit on N0 and even more to the point, what type of Vigilante hits for the fuck of it? The best part about your little Deconduo claim is that it is impossible for him to confirm this since he has been mod killed. In the same breath you say that only you and Deconduo were vigilantes, then explain why the fuck I got hit? Yeah, thought so. GTFO.
Did you not read what I said?
a) Why would I claim vigilante if I hit on night 1?
b) why not?
c) I already explain where the "hit" on you came from. YOU FUCKING MADE IT UP. It's completely illogical for me to be third party, to shoot night 0, see that only TWO hits went off, then claim vigilante with ONE bullet, then shoot night 2. That would confirm me as either 3rd party or a liar. Both die.
We don't know the nature of your potential third party powers or objective. I never said you were a straight serial killer or anything. And as for violating your win conditions by doing something insane in a closed set up game. Lets look back to that game you claimed insane Japanese-Israeli busdriver and managed to not fucking die even after I tried firing two nukes at you. So forgive me if I don't think you will die because of one simple lie, which can easily be explained by some sort of greater good excuse to be determined at a later time.
wifomingwifomingwifoming. You flat out lied about getting hit to make this shit up.
There was never an about face, don't make shit up. As I said before, as a third party your best method to win in this set up would be to try to kill the mafia, as I said LSB is town. Me saying you look shitty now doesn't mean I can't agree with you that LSB looks shitty. Your logic is completely wrong and you know it. That's roughly equivalent to saying "If someone flips town, then everything they said was right." Inversely speaking, If I think you are scum, then you must be wrong/lying in your accusation.
That is not the case, since both you, me, and fishball say LSB looks like shit. As far as getting the town to waste a lynch on you goes, I am perfectly fine with you targeting mafia. I also have no clue what stunt you are referring to and can't even remember that game, so you might have to be more specific.
I'm saying there's a pattern of you sucking up when someone posts something long-namely, that you this is a mafia tendency of yours to do so when you are mafia.
tldr: No reason for me to do any of the things I did if I were 3rd party short of suiciding myself, so unless I'm a fucking Village Idiot there's no way I'd do this. RoL is lying about being hit. On top of Fishball's guilty this means he is mafia. Lynch all liars and all that.
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On July 01 2011 01:24 Kurumi wrote:
Are You really trying to divert the lynch telling us that Third Party role exists and it is Caller? Lol.
No, I am saying fishball is full of shit and that's why you shouldn't kill me. Look how fast I am getting stacked, this is clearly bullshit.
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On July 01 2011 01:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 01:24 Kurumi wrote:
Are You really trying to divert the lynch telling us that Third Party role exists and it is Caller? Lol. No, I am saying fishball is full of shit and that's why you shouldn't kill me. Look how fast I am getting stacked, this is clearly bullshit.
you're the one that's full of shit. I just proved it.
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Wait until this medic claims then if you truly think I am a liar caller. I think its probably VisceraEyes, which you guys obviously lend no credit to. But lets see if someone else claims to have saved me.
As I said earlier, I am purely speculating on you caller. The second hit confuses the shit out of me, and I can't explain it other then by what I wrote or another vig. If you don't believe there is a medic, then there is no problem in waiting for him to hopefully role claim, if I am lying, it won't happen.
We fundamentally disagree on your first response though. A. What are you talking about? B. I still think it was dumb and C. you are wrong.
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On July 01 2011 01:56 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 01:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On July 01 2011 01:24 Kurumi wrote:
Are You really trying to divert the lynch telling us that Third Party role exists and it is Caller? Lol. No, I am saying fishball is full of shit and that's why you shouldn't kill me. Look how fast I am getting stacked, this is clearly bullshit. you're the one that's full of shit. I just proved it.
You didn't prove shit just because you run around yelling.
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