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On June 29 2011 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not saying don't use the tool Palmar, that's not what I'm saying at all.
What I'm saying is that we shouldn't just have them blindly shooting every single cycle just because they can. It WILL hurt town as they WILL hit more town than scum. Save Vig shots for people who are clearly and obviously scummy. Granted, you won't get as much of that in this PARTICULAR game, but just having them fire at random people every opportunity would be........insane.
Well of course you shoot scummy people, it's only me who can shoot DTs and get away with it.
And no shot will be random, they will be educated guesses made by people with the town's best interest at heart.
Remember, this is an invite only game with people Ace wanted playing in his game. Mostly Veterans and good players. In theory, there should be 16 better players in the game than you and I. I trust them to make an educated guess.
Now go back and find some actual scum.
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rol what kind of no reveal game doesnt have a necrophile that can check dead peoples' allignments?
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On June 29 2011 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not saying don't use the tool Palmar, that's not what I'm saying at all.
What I'm saying is that we shouldn't just have them blindly shooting every single cycle just because they can. It WILL hurt town as they WILL hit more town than scum. Save Vig shots for people who are clearly and obviously scummy. Granted, you won't get as much of that in this PARTICULAR game, but just having them fire at random people every opportunity would be........insane.
These two sentences contradict each other. I agree with palmar for the most part. We shouldn't hold back hits for the sake of holding them back. If you have KP and have someone you think is scum for whatever reason go for it. There is almost no reason to wait for general town consensus on who is scum and fire a shot. I have pushed this agenda in there games, and I will do it now. I think single people are better at making educated decisions than a group, at least when it comes to killing a mafia.
I would also rather our KP get's used than it not be used, but I wouldn't say use ALL of it on Night 1, that would be foolish. But I wouldn't say hold onto your kill like it's a first born. Kill people you find scummy, as you said in the bold, we are never going to be absolutely certain someone as scum to make a unilateral decision, and holding out for that 99% guarantee just isn't going to happen.
Err I droned a bit, but to summarize as soon as our KP roles have someone they reasonably think is scummy, just fire the shot. Don't even think twice. I wouldn't go as far to say that ALL KP should be used N1 though, that might be a bit too crazy.
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On June 29 2011 05:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 05:22 ilovejonn wrote:On June 29 2011 05:03 Radfield wrote:On June 29 2011 02:57 Caller wrote:
also, ilovejonn is mafia First thing you've said that I agree with. Someone should start the ball rolling here as time is of the essence. I'll push it when I get off tonight. Please, if you have time to post right now if you're at work or whatever then do it right now. I'd love to see how I'm the strongest case for Day 1 lynch. Oh, and what happened to we should lynch inactive/lurkers? If you can convince the whole town to lynch me when I'm at work 6 pm - 1 am I'll be amazed, and also depressed. Remember when Radfield said it a Day 1 no-lynch isn't too bad? Yeah, that's where I disagree with him. There are plenty of lynch candidates right now. Also, what happened to the people saying we should never no-lynch yet are not doing anything about it. Look at how many lone votes on a single person there are. The way things are heading right now by deadline comes there won't even be a lynch if we can't come down to 2 targets max.I'm going to hold off on Vis since he just subbed in and made points allowing us to see where he stand on things, but my vote stays on deconduo. I don't know what he is trying to do but it's not helping town. How can he prove after the night that he is a vig and shot someone and not just scum/SK? As been said by tons of people it's all wifom. We can either buckle down on 1 lurker/troll and 1 person we think is scummy, better than having more than 4 targets up for lynch. Kurumi/Caller + deconduo would be my choices. FOS on people voting for no reason and people having a lone vote on very weak cases. Do you see the contradiction here?
No I don't. Spell it out for me. decon is one of my lynch candidates that I've had along with Caller since the beginning, that's 2 targets, and I'm telling people to vote either 1 or them. So really, what does the bolded part mean to you?
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On June 29 2011 05:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I agree sort of, but apparently yelling at him and saying we are going to kill him right now was the only way to get him to actually write something. Kurumi seriously, if you aren't going to willingly post or contribute, why even bother playing?
That's the frustrating part. He has admitted in the past to trolling games just for his own amusement. If the game itself does not entertain you why play? All you manage is to diminish the experience for everybody else.
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On June 29 2011 05:54 Palmar wrote:
Btw, I totally don't agree with Hesmyrr about lynching the guilty report first.
So, while you can pretend it's a scumtell, it no longer applies to the player playing.
You had Your first post to straighten it up. Now You're just being wishy-washy and advocating Yourself.
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On June 29 2011 05:57 Caller wrote:
rol what kind of no reveal game doesnt have a necrophile that can check dead peoples' allignments?
It probably does, but we can't know for sure. It's the same as no lynching off the hopes that we might extend the game for another lynch just by doing it. There is a chance in uncertainty that we may extend the game and make a more informed decision, just like there is a chance that there is a coroner role. But making any sort of plan or policy out of chance is stupid, and I would never support it.
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Standard Palmar...if you disagree, you're just playing badly.
I feelings on Palmar are known, so I'm going to start going through others' posts.
DON'T LYNCH ME!!!
That is all.
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On June 29 2011 05:58 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 05:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 29 2011 05:22 ilovejonn wrote:On June 29 2011 05:03 Radfield wrote:On June 29 2011 02:57 Caller wrote:
also, ilovejonn is mafia First thing you've said that I agree with. Someone should start the ball rolling here as time is of the essence. I'll push it when I get off tonight. Please, if you have time to post right now if you're at work or whatever then do it right now. I'd love to see how I'm the strongest case for Day 1 lynch. Oh, and what happened to we should lynch inactive/lurkers? If you can convince the whole town to lynch me when I'm at work 6 pm - 1 am I'll be amazed, and also depressed. Remember when Radfield said it a Day 1 no-lynch isn't too bad? Yeah, that's where I disagree with him. There are plenty of lynch candidates right now. Also, what happened to the people saying we should never no-lynch yet are not doing anything about it. Look at how many lone votes on a single person there are. The way things are heading right now by deadline comes there won't even be a lynch if we can't come down to 2 targets max.I'm going to hold off on Vis since he just subbed in and made points allowing us to see where he stand on things, but my vote stays on deconduo. I don't know what he is trying to do but it's not helping town. How can he prove after the night that he is a vig and shot someone and not just scum/SK? As been said by tons of people it's all wifom. We can either buckle down on 1 lurker/troll and 1 person we think is scummy, better than having more than 4 targets up for lynch. Kurumi/Caller + deconduo would be my choices. FOS on people voting for no reason and people having a lone vote on very weak cases. Do you see the contradiction here? No I don't. Spell it out for me. decon is one of my lynch candidates that I've had along with Caller since the beginning, that's 2 targets, and I'm telling people to vote either 1 or them. So really, what does the bolded part mean to you?
You say how we need to consolidate votes and point out how people are voting on random people who are barely if at all lynch contenders then in the same breath you also say how you are not changing your vote, even though most people are in agreement that Deconduo just sucks and isn't scum.
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On June 29 2011 05:59 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 05:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I agree sort of, but apparently yelling at him and saying we are going to kill him right now was the only way to get him to actually write something. Kurumi seriously, if you aren't going to willingly post or contribute, why even bother playing? That's the frustrating part. He has admitted in the past to trolling games just for his own amusement. If the game itself does not entertain you why play? All you manage is to diminish the experience for everybody else.
If this is true and a recurring behavior I am not looking forward to not killing him because he is probably town. Nothing is more annoying than that. When it comes to Chezinu/Caller their Metas are funny and insane and it suites them really well by making them hard to read. In his case if it's honestly just to fuck with us, that is kind of discouraging.
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On June 29 2011 06:03 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 05:58 ilovejonn wrote:On June 29 2011 05:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 29 2011 05:22 ilovejonn wrote:On June 29 2011 05:03 Radfield wrote:On June 29 2011 02:57 Caller wrote:
also, ilovejonn is mafia First thing you've said that I agree with. Someone should start the ball rolling here as time is of the essence. I'll push it when I get off tonight. Please, if you have time to post right now if you're at work or whatever then do it right now. I'd love to see how I'm the strongest case for Day 1 lynch. Oh, and what happened to we should lynch inactive/lurkers? If you can convince the whole town to lynch me when I'm at work 6 pm - 1 am I'll be amazed, and also depressed. Remember when Radfield said it a Day 1 no-lynch isn't too bad? Yeah, that's where I disagree with him. There are plenty of lynch candidates right now. Also, what happened to the people saying we should never no-lynch yet are not doing anything about it. Look at how many lone votes on a single person there are. The way things are heading right now by deadline comes there won't even be a lynch if we can't come down to 2 targets max.I'm going to hold off on Vis since he just subbed in and made points allowing us to see where he stand on things, but my vote stays on deconduo. I don't know what he is trying to do but it's not helping town. How can he prove after the night that he is a vig and shot someone and not just scum/SK? As been said by tons of people it's all wifom. We can either buckle down on 1 lurker/troll and 1 person we think is scummy, better than having more than 4 targets up for lynch. Kurumi/Caller + deconduo would be my choices. FOS on people voting for no reason and people having a lone vote on very weak cases. Do you see the contradiction here? No I don't. Spell it out for me. decon is one of my lynch candidates that I've had along with Caller since the beginning, that's 2 targets, and I'm telling people to vote either 1 or them. So really, what does the bolded part mean to you? You say how we need to consolidate votes and point out how people are voting on random people who are barely if at all lynch contenders then in the same breath you also say how you are not changing your vote, even though most people are in agreement that Deconduo just sucks and isn't scum.
So do you think Kurumi just sucks, or do you think he's scum? Who are your lynch contenders, and why are you not trying to convince everyone to pile onto a single person you think is actually scum?
Off to work.
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Well, I was trying to perssure Kurumi to contribute which kind of worked, and I generally agree with the Chaoser/Viscera lynch. A listed a few more suspects above, but the only other person I'd really want to see dead right now is probably Amber, since i find what little he has contributed to be quite scummy.
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On June 29 2011 05:59 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 05:54 Palmar wrote:
Btw, I totally don't agree with Hesmyrr about lynching the guilty report first.
So, while you can pretend it's a scumtell, it no longer applies to the player playing. You had Your first post to straighten it up. Now You're just being wishy-washy and advocating Yourself.
Okay, damn, I missed that opportunity, now I'm contradicting myself.
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On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use.
All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town.
Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently.
Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy
And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around.
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Of course, both can't be mafia, and if you told me to pick one, I'd pick decon.
So
Unvote
##Vote: Deconduo
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On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use.
All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town. Show nested quote +Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently. Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around.
And mafia do want to draw attention to themselves? Yeah.
How about looking at all the people defending Fishball saying he has contributed a lot. Theres at least 4 people who have said so yet every time I asked them to point out a SINGLE post they have failed to do so. Palmar, ROL, BC, Kurumi have all claimed as such but refuse to back it up.
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Ok Viscera, I'm not taking my vote away from you. Your attack on Palmar is complete bullshit, distortion and nitpicking. Since when Decon's claim have to be taken at face value? Vigs and lynches should be used at every opportunity and the fact that they should target who you think is scum is obvious enough lol. Also "Chaoser is suspcious, but am I really the biggest threat right now?" doesn't fly. The fact is you are our biggest shot at consolidating our votes and lynching scum today, which I'm pretty confident we are going to do.
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On June 29 2011 07:35 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote:On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use.
All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town. Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently. Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around. And mafia do want to draw attention to themselves? Yeah. How about looking at all the people defending Fishball saying he has contributed a lot. Theres at least 4 people who have said so yet every time I asked them to point out a SINGLE post they have failed to do so. Palmar, ROL, BC, Kurumi have all claimed as such but refuse to back it up.
Certain mafia like to draw attention to themselves, certain mafia don't.
I just don't see why a vig would like to draw attention to himself. See, if Fishball was really mafia, the only thing that's gonna happen tonight is the roleblocker is going to pay you a visit, and all that's left is an angry town wondering why there is only one dead body.
As for people defending Fishball, well by the pigeonhole principle states that not all of them can be mafia, and certainly I'd like more proof of his contributions, but saying someone is mafia because people are defending him is pretty wifom.
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On June 29 2011 07:42 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 07:35 deconduo wrote:On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote:On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use.
All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town. Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently. Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around. And mafia do want to draw attention to themselves? Yeah. How about looking at all the people defending Fishball saying he has contributed a lot. Theres at least 4 people who have said so yet every time I asked them to point out a SINGLE post they have failed to do so. Palmar, ROL, BC, Kurumi have all claimed as such but refuse to back it up. Certain mafia like to draw attention to themselves, certain mafia don't. I just don't see why a vig would like to draw attention to himself. See, if Fishball was really mafia, the only thing that's gonna happen tonight is the roleblocker is going to pay you a visit, and all that's left is an angry town wondering why there is only one dead body. As for people defending Fishball, well by the pigeonhole principle states that not all of them can be mafia, and certainly I'd like more proof of his contributions, but saying someone is mafia because people are defending him is pretty wifom.
And you know theres a roleblocker how exactly?
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