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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Day 1 Votes With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch Hessmyrr (1) - Kurumi Radfield (1) - Palmar deconduo (2) - Fishball, ilovejohn VisceraEyes (5) - BloodyC0bbler, sandroba, Radfield, LSB, deconduo LSB (1) - Caller Palmar (1) - Scamp Not voting yet - Amber[Light], RebirthofLegend, Chezinu, Jackal58, VisceraEyes Day 1 ends on Wednesday June 29th @ 12AM ET/13:00 KST | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
##Vote deconduo | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
On June 29 2011 02:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: #Vote VisceraEyes ?? no reason? You're not even going to wait for him to talk? | ||
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
........oh wait.... ##Unvote Well, I came in to a pretty dire situation. Unless I can come up with some sort of contribution to appease you guys, I'm dead. No pressure. Let's see...FoS Palmar for advocating the vigs to abuse their power...claiming it's of the utmost importance to do so, but simultaneously.... On June 28 2011 18:16 Palmar wrote: Now, I don't like deconduo more than the rest of you, but I can't let bad ideas slip by. You see, deconduo claims to be a vigilante. This means that we have two options that make sense. a) We don't believe him and lynch him for roleclaiming b) We believe him and hope he uses his KP well. I don't know how much people actually bother to read everything brought up, but controlling vigi shots when we have no idea who it is controlling them doesn't make any sense to me at all. That way the mafia can influence the choice of targets, and thus take away the unique aspect of vigi shots that they are more likely (by a little but) than any other kill in the game to hit mafia, from a purely statistical point of view. So what's it going to be? We're not directing Dec's shot, so either we let him live and make his own decisions, or we just hang him. I have no problems with simply killing him. Simply killing...one of the most important roles (by your estimation alone) in the game. That's a pretty big contradiction right there, my friend. ##Vote: Palmar I refuse to vote to lynch deconduo as he's claimed vig and I feel he should get a chance to prove it. Also I'm not going to vote for myself. Anyone who says I'm "not voting with town" is scum and should be shot to death by Palmar's vigs. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
now what | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On June 29 2011 02:43 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Chaoser ........oh wait.... ##Unvote Well, I came in to a pretty dire situation. Unless I can come up with some sort of contribution to appease you guys, I'm dead. No pressure. Let's see...FoS Palmar for advocating the vigs to abuse their power...claiming it's of the utmost importance to do so, but simultaneously.... Simply killing...one of the most important roles (by your estimation alone) in the game. That's a pretty big contradiction right there, my friend. ##Vote: Palmar I refuse to vote to lynch deconduo as he's claimed vig and I feel he should get a chance to prove it. Also I'm not going to vote for myself. Anyone who says I'm "not voting with town" is scum and should be shot to death by Palmar's vigs. Nope, no contradiction, you're just reading things that aren't there. The fact that I want vigis to shoot early and shoot often does not somehow mean I believe every stupid uncalled vigi claim that pops up. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
The idea is to get everyone active. It's to not have to worry about lurkers in the first place. That way, vigi shots are better spent on scum. I agree with you that Vigis are going to be important in this game, but NOT by shooting as early and often as they can. I feel like this claim is anti town, and I hope you hang for promoting it. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Think. If we're basing our votes on performance in-thread, am I REALLY the biggest threat so far? Chaoser might have been suspicious, but I honestly don't think that I've been suspicious enough to warrant lynching me today. There are better targets, imho. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote: The idea in this game isn't to kill as many people as we can. I don't disagree with the notion that lurkers need to be dealt wit...quickly if possible. The idea is to get everyone active. It's to not have to worry about lurkers in the first place. That way, vigi shots are better spent on scum. I agree with you that Vigis are going to be important in this game, but NOT by shooting as early and often as they can. I feel like this claim is anti town, and I hope you hang for promoting it. I don't think I said vigis should shoot lurkers exclusively. Vigis should shoot people they think are scum. Also, read my explanation on why vigis should should often, it's statistically viable, especially in a game that has less information than usual. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Anyway, I have reads that I am going to share with you all. I tend to categorize people as red gray or town. First off let's start off with a list of people who are town. I am not going to explain my reasoning ind detail because simply reading their posts should give you the idea. This list is in no particular order. Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently. BC- I'd say he seems generally way more interested in this game than he was in XLII. I agree with his analysis more or less. Chaoser was posting dumb shit, and I did agree with his initial read on Radfield. Palmar- I think this guy is my twin. I agree with almost everything he has said so far. Kurumi looks like shit. This is the list of gray. People who are either too incompetent, inactive or insane to actually get a good read off of. Deconduo- I know I will get flack for this, but generally he is not that aggressive as mafia. Going head to head and being as aggressive as he was being is just plain stupid as mafia. I honestly think he is just playing terribly. He has said so many dumb things that look scummy but are too aggressive and stupid and if I was on his scum team I would of been screaming at him to shut the fuck up as of 6 hours into N0. But there seriously is no ignoring how scummy some things he has said are, like Kill fishball he's 75% town. Caller- Troll, not really contributing that much. Chezinu- See above. Sandroba- Posting nothing, supports LSB? Odd. Actually defends himself fairly well to fishballs accusations. Going in the gray area. Scamp- Not particularly active, but he doesn't strike me as a lurking mafia. I'd hope he gets more active with time to allow a better read. I know when I played scum with him a few times he hard lurked, but that was literally years ago and people change and I know he is considered a good player now. If you don't start doing shit though I will be disappointed and try to get you vigi'd or lynched. Radfield- I might get some flack about this, but my initial gripe with him was just how wordy all of his posts were, and just how obvious the things he was saying were. He was however one of the first to start posting and obvious shit is kind of standard for that. My biggest issue was how I viewed him trying to disguise it using enormous paragraphs. Although, I seem to remember his style being fairly wordy in the past. When BC attacks him and he responded to it, it confirmed my thoughts about radfield just utterly hating his keyboard. I would definitely keep an eye on him, but for now I'd let him slide simply because of the following people being infinitely worse. *I don't feel like rewriting this paragraph but I forgot to mention how sketchy I found his emphasis on lurkers too. The list of scummy peoplez Amber[LighT]- Seriously, you have done almost nothing and your posts wreak of shit. Look at his posts on page 10 as a perfect example. What he is saying is just stupid. We need 13 to lynch so mafia won't ALL JUMP SHIP to kill a probable different townie who theoretically has EVERY other vote? Calling people scummy for speculating on the extra night kill? On top of that your contributions after that consist of a flow chart. Shape the fuck up. Kurumi- You haven't contributed ANYTHING. Seriously, all game. Nothing. You have spammed relentlessly and it's irritating as fuck. It just screams scummy. Post your actual thoughts on someone and stop just posting for the sake of posting. I half almost put you into the gray but the sheer amount of your posts and how little you feel you need to contribute bumped you down to the red. Ilovejonn- You have literally not had a thought of your own and even admit to blatently echoing other peoples thoughts. Contribute or die. Chaoser/VisceraEyes- Chaoser looked really bad early on, like he was trying to feign activity and does deserve the lynch for that, and Viscera's first post as the replacement is accusing Palmar, in my opinion one of the more pro town players. I think we are fine lynching him today. LSB- Your posting has SUCKED. Hard. You express a shitty opinion on the Deconduo/Fishball situation after it had already been more or less resolved. Considered I view them both as town, I would view this as you fanning the fire. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
Chaoser/VisEyes is being voted for not contributing, but well... he got replaced out of the game because he didn't have time, and VisEyes just came in. deconduo's actions make no sense at all, not as mafia and not as town. It's astonishing he did what he did, but my best bet at the moment is to put it down to terrible town play. We can always lynch him tomorrow if the mafia doesn't end him. So, in my opinion we need to think up a new lynch. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:15 Palmar wrote: I don't like either of the lynch targets at the moment. Chaoser/VisEyes is being voted for not contributing, but well... he got replaced out of the game because he didn't have time, and VisEyes just came in. deconduo's actions make no sense at all, not as mafia and not as town. It's astonishing he did what he did, but my best bet at the moment is to put it down to terrible town play. We can always lynch him tomorrow if the mafia doesn't end him. So, in my opinion we need to think up a new lynch. I actually think Kurumi would be a good choice, but one thing is bothering me. He's been dropping italicized numbers into his posts which doesn't quite feel like a mafia ability. However he's scummy as hell so I'm willing to lynch him. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
##Vote: VisceraEyes As an aside to that, I want to point out I feel MUCH stronger about town reads in general than I do about scum reads. I find it to be MUCH more useful to figure out who is town based off posting and not simply who is scummy. People like Gmarshal can blatantly stand out as contributing protown players even on Day 1, while scummy people can float in a gray area. I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use. Sorry for my inactivity earlier on, RTM took a lot of work to get started while updating rules/OP's and briefing all the cohosts while answering PM's. THEN I WATCHED XFILES BECAUSE MULDER IS THE SHIT. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:15 Palmar wrote: I don't like either of the lynch targets at the moment. Chaoser/VisEyes is being voted for not contributing, but well... he got replaced out of the game because he didn't have time, and VisEyes just came in. deconduo's actions make no sense at all, not as mafia and not as town. It's astonishing he did what he did, but my best bet at the moment is to put it down to terrible town play. We can always lynch him tomorrow if the mafia doesn't end him. So, in my opinion we need to think up a new lynch. I don't think it was for lack of contributing so much as what the little Chaoser contributed was. Some shitty list which could be used to feign actually being active, and then VisceraEyes attacking you when you appear pro town. I was actually going to suggest switching to Kurumi as well until I saw VisceraEyes first contribution attacking town players. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I don't think it was for lack of contributing so much as what the little Chaoser contributed was. Some shitty list which could be used to feign actually being active, and then VisceraEyes attacking you when you appear pro town. I was actually going to suggest switching to Kurumi as well until I saw VisceraEyes first contribution attacking town players. Is chaoser honestly that stupid. Like I don't think anyone in this game really thinks that posting lists somehow counts for contribution. I'd much rather kill Kurumi and see what VisEyes is up to. Trust me VisEyes has a bit of a thing for trying to lynch me and he really likes to misread stuff. Though, in all honesty, I want to lynch Radfield. I think that'd be our best lynch today. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:41 Palmar wrote: Is chaoser honestly that stupid. Like I don't think anyone in this game really thinks that posting lists somehow counts for contribution. I'd much rather kill Kurumi and see what VisEyes is up to. Trust me VisEyes has a bit of a thing for trying to lynch me and he really likes to misread stuff. Though, in all honesty, I want to lynch Radfield. I think that'd be our best lynch today. Sure You want to lynch Radfield scum,You killed GMarshal now You need to get rid of Radfield. Classic. I might contribute but since noone's making a case against me (just "herp derp he is trolling,so is Caller but he is scum Caller is not" nonsense) Also, thirteen wait for another transmission. | ||
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