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Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 15 2011 23:16 GMT
#23
/in
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 15 2011 23:40 GMT
#24
actually,

/out

I think I'll play the lynch all liars game instead
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 08:20:23
June 16 2011 07:32 GMT
#36
/in

I'm gonna tentatively sign back up for this one before it fills up, got permission from bumatlarge to participate in both his and this game (assuming that it's cool with you GM).
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 16 2011 20:51 GMT
#65
On June 17 2011 05:50 freeloader625 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote:
Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:

1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other?
2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?

Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked)

Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-)


icwuth u did thar


Funny how it turned out that appruds was mafia after all.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 17 2011 19:12 GMT
#96
On June 18 2011 04:01 freeloader625 wrote:
Just for clarification because all my life I've been confused on this... EDT is eastern. I am eastern. But sometimes ppl write (-04:00) but whenever I fill out forms and crap eastern is always (-05:00). WHAT IS GOING ON!?!?


When it is no longer daylight savings time (the clocks will next change in November), "Eastern Daylight Time" becomes "Eastern Standard Time" or EST, which -05:00.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 17 2011 20:54 GMT
#101
On June 18 2011 05:51 omgCRAZY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 04:40 aprudds wrote:
On June 18 2011 04:19 gtrsrs wrote:
d'aww i wish we could start now
you know one thing i never understand? how exactly do games get started? like where does the first FoS come from? i know last game it was because freeloader asked a rookie question and some mafia hopped on it. but other games i feel like there's nothing to go on. i'm hosting a full-role game on another forum right now and there are like 4 posts per day between 20 players because everyone just tries to win at night and no one wants to talk in order to not get suspicions on them. it's super frustrating to watch because it's boring as hell but i kinda see where they're coming from.

anyways
MAYBE I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TO GET US STARTED

I would have jumped on anything whether or not I was scum. Better than a boring game that's for sure.


Let's all have a fun clean game. (OH GAWD DON'T KILL ME!)


Well at the player list:

1. aprudds
2. Treadmill
3. omgCRAZY
4. gtrsrs
5. Lord Vatti
6. Alderan
7. CjrNinja
8. supersoft
9. Pyo
10. Xedat
11. Drazerk
12. freeloader625

One of us doesn't belong...
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 17 2011 22:15 GMT
#110
On June 18 2011 06:41 Treadmill wrote:
I was ignoring that possibility more because of the strangeness of a role-blocker with no roles to block. I suppose that GM could just be screwing with us though.


It's not that strange... as explained earlier in this thread, that set up exists so that mafia don't automatically know the set up if they have a roleblocker.

Any play that involves early blue claims (or relies on blues at all, really) is generally a bad way to go.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 18 2011 14:24 GMT
#147
On June 18 2011 23:00 Xedat wrote:
Yeah, I am not actually suspecting you, just tried to get someone talking. We will see if someone slips something stupid, otherwise it will be a random lynch tomorrow I think.


You might not be, but I most certainly am. What is particularly suspicious about Drazek is how much his posting behavior has changed between last game and this one. Last game Drazek said almost nothing all game long. However, he's been perhaps the biggest talker this game. I suppose one could attribute this to being "more comfortable" with the smaller setting, but it's not like he increased his posted more at the end of the last game. This strikes me as very suspicious.

##Vote: Drazek
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 19 2011 04:47 GMT
#176
Look through past mafia. When was the last time someone was mafia and didn't post in the first day. It's like scum 101 that lurkers will be targeted early on. For that reason I highly doubt that someone who isn't talking is mafia. Those that are mafia are either going to post more than they might normally or would throw out a token 1 or 2 posts in an effort to be present, but not really draw attention to themselves.

There are 3 people that stand out to me so far:
Drazek, who was post a lot more than he used to until I called him out on it
aprudds, who was mafia last time, which makes me think that he's town this time
alderan, who has only posted twice (contradicting himself as aprudds pointed out)
supersoft, who has only a couple times then gave the excuse of "i'll be away for a while"

For now I'm going to leave my vote on Drazek, but we should be highly suspicious of alderan and supersoft.

there is a 1/4 chance that any given individual is mafia. This means that if we have fewer than 4 suspects, it is a winning strategy to randomly pick one of them and lynch that person. If we have 4 or more suspects, then it would be better to not vote at all, or in this case to vote for the person who is about to be modkilled. So when it comes to voting for Lord Vatti, ask your self, "are there 4 people or more who are very suspicious?" If the answer is yes, vote for him. If the answer is no, pick on of the others.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 19 2011 06:27 GMT
#179
On June 19 2011 14:01 Treadmill wrote:
Your logic is kinda crappy, Pyo. You're assuming that if we have, say, 3 suspects, that one (and exactly one) must be red. Which is obviously not the case. Also, don't metagame too much, its entirely possible that aprudds got mafia twice in a row.

@aprudds: sorry, I don't mean to be passive. Partly I'm just a little uncertain considering how absolutely wrong I was about everything last game. I actually agree with you that we should lynch whomever seems most suspicious, not go after L.V. for being inactive. But I think we have around 12 hours for people to post and possibly slip up. No, people won't shout "I am mafia" but they may contradict themselves or make spurious arguments.


The point isn't that if you suspect that 3 people are mafia than 1 has to be, it's that if you can reasonably eliminate some people off the list of suspects then it becomes a winning strategy to pick from the remaining randomly. Basically, a non-lynch is better than a mislynch as gtrsrs points out. There's a 3/4 chance of a mislynch, so to actually lynch someone, you need to be better than 3/4 certain that the lynch target is guilty. It's somewhat subjective, but I feel as though if you can reasonably eliminate 8 of the other 11 people out there, then placing your vote on one of the remaining 3 people.

Also you missed my point about aprudds. I'm simply pointing out that given that there's nothing else going on, noticing differences in behavior are more substantial grounds for accusation than random tunneling. aprudds changing his posting patterns doesn't really mean much since last time he was mafia. I brought him up as a comparison to Drazek who noticeably changed his posting pattern but was town last time. aprudds is also pretty good at this game from what I can tell, which makes him quite dangerous in and of itself so you should be suspicious of him regardless.

The purpose of the accusation against Drazek was to apply serious pressure, since I have a semi-legitimate reason to go after him. A couple people followed suit, and he dropped off the grid. This makes Drazek extremely suspicious.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 19 2011 14:11 GMT
#186
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote:
Early post of game gtrsrs attacks me based on no evidence at all. In fact as apprudds pointed out, his post reeks of oxymoron, his attack is, “your post doesn’t help” when in fact his post doesn’t help either. So aggressive, but I understand why you would do this. You want me to speak up and post more. This would be a pro town play.


That isn't oxymoron. At best that's irony.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 19 2011 14:18 GMT
#187
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote:
Now lets assume we all vote to lynch Drazerk. At the very least he'll start posting frantically and we all gain something. This is what you wanted right? Yet you seems so fast to defend him. If he flips green we made the wrong choice but at least we have effectively increased our chance to lynch red by having a list of potential suspects based on voting patterns and bandwagon jumpers. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THIS LIST? Why try so hard to prevent it before it even starts? That is of course unless you already know hes red and want to stop a red lynch before it goes further. You wanted people to talk early game for “information” by pressuring and now you try to shy town away from that very same tactic of pressure and play passive. I just don't get it. Only logic left is protecting buddy scum from getting any more pressure and before he scum slips.



This is bad reasoning. Mafia have no reason to go along with a voting bandwagon on day 1 unless by random circumstance one of their own get targeted, in which case they might drive a bandwagon against someone else. Notice how not a single mafia voted for freeloader day 1 in the last game? If anything mafia will do their best to lay low day 1 voting for nobody in particular unless they can't undo a random bandwagon on one of their own. If that happens they'll probably end up bussing him.

My point here is that regardless of who ends up getting lynched today, even if they flip green, those that voted for that person doesn't necessarily include mafia.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 19 2011 14:24 GMT
#188
On June 19 2011 22:35 Drazerk wrote:
If for what ever reason you decide not to kill me and waste a townie ...

##Unvote: Lord Vatti

##Vote: gtrsrs


This is a very interesting development. I'm going to have to think about this...
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 19 2011 14:44 GMT
#190
On June 19 2011 23:25 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 23:18 Pyo wrote:
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote:
Now lets assume we all vote to lynch Drazerk. At the very least he'll start posting frantically and we all gain something. This is what you wanted right? Yet you seems so fast to defend him. If he flips green we made the wrong choice but at least we have effectively increased our chance to lynch red by having a list of potential suspects based on voting patterns and bandwagon jumpers. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THIS LIST? Why try so hard to prevent it before it even starts? That is of course unless you already know hes red and want to stop a red lynch before it goes further. You wanted people to talk early game for “information” by pressuring and now you try to shy town away from that very same tactic of pressure and play passive. I just don't get it. Only logic left is protecting buddy scum from getting any more pressure and before he scum slips.



This is bad reasoning. Mafia have no reason to go along with a voting bandwagon on day 1 unless by random circumstance one of their own get targeted, in which case they might drive a bandwagon against someone else. Notice how not a single mafia voted for freeloader day 1 in the last game? If anything mafia will do their best to lay low day 1 voting for nobody in particular unless they can't undo a random bandwagon on one of their own. If that happens they'll probably end up bussing him.

My point here is that regardless of who ends up getting lynched today, even if they flip green, those that voted for that person doesn't necessarily include mafia.


Infact I see it as more the people that DON'T vote for me as more mafia as they know ill Flip green as so let town do their dirty work


What really doesn't make sense to me is why you would choose to martyr yourself. That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Either you're an idiot who doesn't know how to read/count or there's something odd going on. I haven't figured out which.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 19 2011 18:49 GMT
#233
On June 20 2011 03:37 gtrsrs wrote:
quoting so it's on the new page, this is important
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 03:24 gtrsrs wrote:
okay it's getting to be crunch time

i really hate to compromise my logic in order to save myself but it's imperative that i do so.

Alderan, aprudds since i know you've both been active recently, please change your votes to Drazerk. i'm decently sure that Drazerk, Xedat, and CjrNinja are our mafia, jumping on freeloader's bandwagon to take the pressure off Drazerk.

I will change my vote to Drazerk as well, which will put him in the lead. I'd much rather vote Lord Vatti but if it's me or Drazerk it's gotta be big D.

##vote: Drazerk



This is my way of saying gtrsrs needs to stop being an asshole, since my more subtle hints asking him to chill out haven't really gotten across.

##Unvote: Drazek
##Vote: gtrsrs



Also for the record, Drazek (seemingly unintentional) martyring is enough to convince me that we shouldn't lynch him... yet.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 19 2011 19:23 GMT
#254
Not to derail this little cat fight, but...

aprudds, this is starting to really bug me:
your = possessive pronoun
you're = you are

if you're too lazy to use an apostrophe, just do what 12 year old girls use: "ur"
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 19 2011 19:24 GMT
#255
damn, ninja'd
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 19 2011 20:49 GMT
#310
On June 20 2011 05:08 gtrsrs wrote:
so, the game is on Pyo and Treadmill (and potentially cjrninja if he's town). are you guys gonna change your votes?


No dice. Why? Because of shit like this.

On June 20 2011 05:26 gtrsrs wrote:
YOU FUCKING SCHOLAR, YOU FUCKING GENTLEMAN, I HAVE EXPLAINED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT I CLAIMED BECAUSE THERE WERE 6 OUT OF 11 VOTES ON ME; EVEN AFTER I TRIED TO PULL VOTES OFF MYSELF WITHOUT CLAIMING, I ONLY NETTED 2 MORE VOTES ON MYSELF. STOP SPAMMING AND TAKE YOUR VOTE OFF ME


If you're town:
Look kurumi, you might actually be the medic, but honestly it doesn't even matter anymore. If there are roleblockers, then you're just as useless as any townie. If there aren't roleblockers, you're dead anyway.

If you're mafia:
Look iGrok, no need to get all butt-hurt by people voting for you. You've been a huge jackass in both this game and the last so it shouldn't be any surprise no one is going to go out on a limb and cut you any slack. However, the way you've been playing this game is exactly like iGrok did in the last game. High-sounding bleah where you sort of try to establish town cred/leadership, but don't really do or say anything meaningful. Then in response to pressure you go all ape-shit à la Mel Gibson in Braveheart (or The Patriot).

so my only response is ¯\(°_o)/¯
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 19 2011 21:13 GMT
#336
surprise, surprise...
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 20 2011 06:30 GMT
#376
It's night time. No one needs to do anything for the next 24 hours. If we have a DT, let that person do whatever he thinks is right. No discussion is necessary.

BTW, I still don't buy that you're the medic. The only way that I'll be convinced of this is if you actually flip blue.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 20 2011 06:58 GMT
#378
You're random blabbing doesn't accomplish anything.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 20 2011 19:43 GMT
#387
On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote:
So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too?
Why don't you say anything about appruds?
Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him.


Yeah, he's scum. Why the f**k did you change your vote...
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 20 2011 21:02 GMT
#393
##Vote: gtrsrs
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 20 2011 21:10 GMT
#397
On June 21 2011 06:05 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 06:02 Pyo wrote:
##Vote: gtrsrs


Save him, We can kill him tomorrow

For now we need to focus on the other targets

Personally Freeloader may be a good target at what would be better than taking out the guy responsible for last games win?


why exactly should we wait to kill him tomorrow? if he is scum, he's the most dangerous kind: the one claiming to be a blue and telling everyone who to vote for.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 20 2011 21:46 GMT
#400
On June 21 2011 06:29 gtrsrs wrote:
also take your votes off me. you have no case against me. we're voting for Drazerk or Xedat today. i'm leaning towards Xedat because although Drazerk is definitely scum, at least he's posting a lot. he might lead us to his other buddy or provide some helpful analysis


This is what really bothers me.

Also, "he's definitely scum but might provide some helpful analysis." WTF?
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 21 2011 17:41 GMT
#426
On June 22 2011 00:44 Xedat wrote:
no posts since nearly 9 hours? Say something town, silence will only help scum.


go f*ck yourself gtrsrs. Way to suck the life out of the game with your bs. If you're town, you're a terrible town who has done nothing but kill the conversation and destroy the fun of the game with the way you play the game. If you're mafia, as I suspect, congratulations. I have the feeling that this game is basically dead.

I mean when the host has to make a post like this, you know something's wrong.

To be honest, this game isn't even any fun anymore, so I'm just going to lay out my future votes and only post once per day until I'm dead:

1. gtrsrs (for reasons that I've already laid out)
2. supersoft (mostly for this post)
3. alderan (for pretty much saying nothing)
4. freeloader (his posts have a general scummy feel of saying stuff without saying stuff. he is first to accuse gtrsrs, but it backfires. Changes his vote after the "medic claim". Then is the one to bring forward this idea that mafia let gtrsrs live so that we'd lynch him.
5. drazerk, treadmill, xedat in alphabetical order (if we haven't won by now, we'd have lost)
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 21 2011 18:36 GMT
#432
On June 22 2011 03:08 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 02:58 Xedat wrote:
I would also like to chime in and say that gtrsrs' bad mannered style makes me not want to play the game. But he also did it when he was town so that does not mean he is scum.
Just check if he signs up to the same game you do, I will.


play to win, don't play to make friends


There's a huge difference between playing to win/not playing to make friends and being huge jackass.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 21 2011 19:05 GMT
#434
On June 22 2011 02:45 gtrsrs wrote:
>feigning disinterest, check
>saying you won't help the town any more, check
>laying out your voting pattern before any evidence is presented, check
>voting for the 4 most pro-town players first, check
>leaving the 2 confirmed mafia for 5th and 7th votes, respectively, check


- I assure you that my acquired disinterest for this game is quite real

- I'm not saying I won't help town any more; I'm saying that it is beyond hope.

- I gave my reasons for my future voting patterns.

- 4 most pro-town players? what? first of all, according to whom? you? right. Just because someone says they are town doesn't mean that they are.

- 2 confirmed mafia for 5th and 7th? what? As far as I can tell the only confirmed mafia is you.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 21 2011 19:14 GMT
#436
On June 22 2011 03:43 gtrsrs wrote:
>ignoring my analysis of your scumbuddy, check
>derailing the thread with petty 1-liner insults, check


what analysis? you mean your incoherent spam? right.

You began by sort of laying low until you were called out on it. Then you went into hyper ass hole mode. And when people actually believed that you're the medic, you proceeded to try and tell everyone what to do. You aren't doing analysis, you're just trying to dictate what the town does. If you really were the medic, then you have no more information about who is what than anyone else, and less information than the DT (assuming both you and alderan are telling the truth). Everything about what you're doing screams scum, yet it's almost incomprehensible that a mafia would so brazen about it. My only conclusion is that you're a terrible asshole of a townie or an ego-tripping mafia for having convinced people to change their minds after claiming medic.

Either way, trying to analyze your incoherent posting is just pissing me off in a "fuck this game I can't stand this jack-ass" sort of way.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 21 2011 19:17 GMT
#437
On June 22 2011 04:10 gtrsrs wrote:
if you're so disinterested in the game, get a sub. you're not helping town with your current posts, and voting for the confirmed medic. if you won't get a sub, you're feigning disinterest because you're mafia.


Gladly. If there are any subs available, I'd be more than happy to step out. In the event that there aren't any subs, I'll continue to post my required post/vote so I don't jeopardize my ability to participate in future mafia games.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 22 2011 22:22 GMT
#489
The game isn't over yet. Give me a sec. I think that there is still a winning strategy for town.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 23 2011 00:16 GMT
#500
All town has to do to stay in the game is to successfully hit a mafia next lynch (and I guess I can't quit).

it is 5:3 right now. Assuming mafia successfully kills someone tonight, it will be 4:3. This means that as long as we are able to successfully lynch mafia each night, we can still win. And if we manage to hit the roleblocker (assuming they have one), then town is actually at an advantage.

GIven that the only other person who voted gtrsrs flipped vanilla townie, I'm going to assume that there at least isn't another medic to counter claim. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that he isn't mafia given that he was going to get lynched so a 50/50 shot at claiming a non-existent role was better than the certainty of getting lynched. And given his personality, I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually a vanilla townie that claimed medic anyway.

However, at this point I'm going to place my wager on gtrsrs having told the truth. And since it isn't very likely that he gets lynched tomorrow, he'll probably end up dying tonight. If he was lying, then well, gg - you've fooled enough of the town that you're victory was well won.

Now, I'm going to assume that gtrsrs was telling the truth, so I'm going to go out on a limb here sort of force the mafia's hand.

I am the town Detective. Night 1, I checked freeloader and he turned green. In retrospect, I should have checked gtrsrs, but I thought he'd be dead by now for sure.

gtrsrs, I really hope you're the medic and actually care about winning. This isn't going to work if I'm wrong on either count.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 23 2011 21:06 GMT
#526
First of all, yes I was lying.

Second, gtrsrs, I really wish you weren't so goddamned cocky and arrogant. I gifted you a chance to save yourself and you just pissed it away by being so over-eager to call out my lie. Note that you alone were the only one who could have confirmed it to be the case. If you had just "admitted" to having blue claimed to save your skin, you'd be alive.

Third, is there an actual DT out there? Was anyone roleblocked tonight? Now's the time to claim.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 23 2011 21:14 GMT
#528
Since it's lynch or lose, we have to lynch a mafia or we lose.

Also since mafia has nearly as much voting power as town, ALL TOWN MUST VOTE UNANIMOUSLY. Better for everyone to pick someone and have a 50% chance of being wrong than for all of us to split our votes and let mafia 100% control the vote.

Unless a DT or someone comes forward as having been roleblocked...
##Vote: Alderan
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 23 2011 21:17 GMT
#529
On June 24 2011 06:11 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 06:06 Pyo wrote:
First of all, yes I was lying.

Second, gtrsrs, I really wish you weren't so goddamned cocky and arrogant. I gifted you a chance to save yourself and you just pissed it away by being so over-eager to call out my lie. Note that you alone were the only one who could have confirmed it to be the case. If you had just "admitted" to having blue claimed to save your skin, you'd be alive.

Third, is there an actual DT out there? Was anyone roleblocked tonight? Now's the time to claim.


I highly doubt there is another blue

I keep telling you we are playing game type 3 - No role blockers

##vote: Alderan

Don't Lie

Lying never helps town in any circumstances


Lying doesn't help town during the day when it can cause confusion, but if it can potential confuse mafia at night it is absolutely fine. If you think about it, had gtrsrs not been so damned adamant about being the medic, for all mafia knew it could be set up #4.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 23 2011 21:24 GMT
#532
I think it needs repeating:

If you are the DT, claim right now and save alderan.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 23 2011 21:50 GMT
#538
On June 24 2011 06:41 supersoft wrote:
I am not the DT, but how is your "trick" supposed to convince me. It was pretty obvious that you are not the DT either - at first you say something like:"let me think about something" after that you claim DT. That was extremely artificial. Mafia could now just step up and claim DT if there is no real DT... This plan didn't work out too well... We will never know whether that will be the real DT or not...

I know, that I pushed two mislynches... Okay, aprudds wasn't a good choice right from the beginning, but it was a weird situation and I tried to save our medic (and I was right about this guy)...
But I thought Xedat was 100% scum...

Since today is the last chance for us to come back, I will read the whole thread again and try to find something apart from the whole DT/roleblock-Claimstory... Obviously we can't trust the DT that will now come forward... We don't know whether he's scum or not and we don't know whether Alderan is scum or not.
Again: Since this is the last chance, don't overreact if someone roleclaims... He and Alderan could be mafia or they could be innocent. We don't know. And we can't afford a mislynch!

These overeager decisions in the past, nearly costed us the game! Now calm down, its 4:3 we nearly have a 50% chance to one of them.


It wasn't so obvious until gtrsrs started running his mouth. Roleclaiming at night is not standard play hence "let me think of something." I will defend my lie by saying there was no downside to doing. Worst case scenario everyone sees through it and nothing changes, best case scenario if there is a DT/RB then I just gave the real DT a chance to save himself, and if there is no DT/RB, I gave gtrsrs a chance to save himself. Since I didn't get lucky, we're right where were before.

Also the DT coming forward now is no more or less likely to be trusted than if I didn't claim DT.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 23 2011 21:55 GMT
#542
On June 24 2011 06:47 Drazerk wrote:
Ok how i see the day going now

Mafia will try to lynch me

Why?

Im pretty much on everyone's scum list ( and i mean everyone )

It will not be too hard to convince one townie that I am scum

If we make through the day with 4 Alderan votes we possibly have a chance

Let it be known that this will be a close day - 4:3 ... we cannot risk it any other way



No, mafia is going to bus Alderan if he is mafia, and if he just happens to be town, we lose.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 23 2011 22:00 GMT
#545
On June 24 2011 06:56 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 06:53 Treadmill wrote:
On June 24 2011 06:51 Drazerk wrote:
Basically for this one day Alderan is a higher priority than me

So put the fingers down and trust me We have a lot of evidence pointing to him being scum and we must all vote for him

Mafia will be saying a lot of things in the next day as they screwed up last night, We must keep the focus on Alderan

Drazerk, please stop martyring. You have around 30 posts or so in this thread saying "oh, town is just gonna lynch me". They don't help town and only make you look scummier.


I am no longer Martyring we now no I am an easy scum target and that is what they will focus on

I am next on line and we can abuse this after seeing the out come of today


See this is a huge problem with newbie players. You can't explain the trap and have it work. Hold your f**king tongue (or keyboard). Rather than being quick to point everything out as you see it as soon as you see it, think about what you are doing and what it means. Then after someone has fallen for it, go ahead and point it out.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 23 2011 23:33 GMT
#551
On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote:
Its laughable......

Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.

There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.

Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.

The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?

Well because they were afraid of their fearless leader Drazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.

It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.

If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.





LOL!!!! First you say that you were roleblocked. Then you say "If there is a real DT." Way to make it exceedingly obvious that you are mafia.

Also, it may have been poorly executed, but false claiming DT was absolutely NOT a "bad" play. At worst it was an irrelevant play. Also, since when was it town 101 to never lie?
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 25 2011 21:07 GMT
#559
well since he's probably gonna get modkilled

##Unvote: Alderan
##Vote: Supersoft
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 25 2011 21:29 GMT
#562
On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote:
Its laughable......

Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.

There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.

Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.

The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?

Well because they were afraid of their fearless leader Drazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.

It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.

If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.




alderan gave away another mafia right here. He wants to distance himself from other mafia, but knows that we'd know he'd do it - classic WIFOM. So obviously, like the original WIFOM situation, he put the poison in both glasses. One of Drazerk and supersoft is mafia, but Drazerk has acting obviously pro-town, while supersoft has for the most part been lurking.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 28 2011 21:24 GMT
#607
I totally knew it!!! Alderan gave away supersoft with this post!!!

Grrr...

I wasn't sure about freeloader, but I had it down to either him or treadmill at the time I died. Freeloader primarily for this post. And Treadmill because of just general scummy play.

I still maintain that my false DT claim could have saved the game if gtrsrs had played along. In fact if he had gone ahead and claimed that he lied about being medic, the only way mafia would have known that I was actually lying was if freeloader was scum. Combined with the way supersoft reacted to my claim (it reeked of scum slip first criticizing the play and then backtracking on the criticism), we totally could have won if things had gone a little differently.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 28 2011 22:05 GMT
#610
On June 29 2011 06:34 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 06:24 Pyo wrote:
I totally knew it!!! Alderan gave away supersoft with this post!!!

Grrr...

I wasn't sure about freeloader, but I had it down to either him or treadmill at the time I died. Freeloader primarily for this post. And Treadmill because of just general scummy play.

I still maintain that my false DT claim could have saved the game if gtrsrs had played along. In fact if he had gone ahead and claimed that he lied about being medic, the only way mafia would have known that I was actually lying was if freeloader was scum. Combined with the way supersoft reacted to my claim (it reeked of scum slip first criticizing the play and then backtracking on the criticism), we totally could have won if things had gone a little differently.

Unfortunately in your false DT claim you said that you checked fl625 and that he was green, so the mafia knew you were lying anyways. But I agree it was a good play, if a little confusing to the rest of us at first.


Yes mafia knew I was lying anyway, but if gtrsrs had gone along with it, the only way for mafia to have known I was lying was if freeloader was mafia. Therefore, when gtrsrs turned up dead anyway, freeloader would have been outed as scum. Picking freeloader wasn't by random (not totally anyway). I spent a little time deciding between him and you (treadmill) since I was suspicious of both of you.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 28 2011 22:47 GMT
#613
On June 29 2011 07:22 supersoft wrote:
i knew that you were lying... I posted it in the mafiaforum way before gtrsrs did :D


yeah, of course you did, because freeloader was mafia and I said he cleared as town. If you think about it from another perspective, the only ones who wouldn't know for sure whether I was lying or not would be vanilla townies. The fact that Cjr and Draz were both willing to believe me was a huge part of me thinking that they were both town.

Regardless of whether anyone believed me or not, in retrospect, all of the scum definitely made slips in reaction to my false claim - it's just that no one was really looking for them and/or applying any pressure in response.

I had intended to make a final night post before I died saying that town absolutely should have lynched you next and then flipped a coin between freeloader and treadmill, but I got hung up with work and didn't make it in time.

Anyway, gg mafia. Things might have been different if there hadn't been a big huge flame war followed by complete inactivity, but you guys took advantage of it pretty well.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 28 2011 22:57 GMT
#614
On June 29 2011 07:26 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 07:05 Pyo wrote:
On June 29 2011 06:34 Treadmill wrote:
On June 29 2011 06:24 Pyo wrote:
I totally knew it!!! Alderan gave away supersoft with this post!!!

Grrr...

I wasn't sure about freeloader, but I had it down to either him or treadmill at the time I died. Freeloader primarily for this post. And Treadmill because of just general scummy play.

I still maintain that my false DT claim could have saved the game if gtrsrs had played along. In fact if he had gone ahead and claimed that he lied about being medic, the only way mafia would have known that I was actually lying was if freeloader was scum. Combined with the way supersoft reacted to my claim (it reeked of scum slip first criticizing the play and then backtracking on the criticism), we totally could have won if things had gone a little differently.

Unfortunately in your false DT claim you said that you checked fl625 and that he was green, so the mafia knew you were lying anyways. But I agree it was a good play, if a little confusing to the rest of us at first.


Yes mafia knew I was lying anyway, but if gtrsrs had gone along with it, the only way for mafia to have known I was lying was if freeloader was mafia. Therefore, when gtrsrs turned up dead anyway, freeloader would have been outed as scum. Picking freeloader wasn't by random (not totally anyway). I spent a little time deciding between him and you (treadmill) since I was suspicious of both of you.

Oh, I see. Interesting. I hadn't quite understood that as being your strategy. I think you may have been overthinking things a little since the mafia may have just killed gtrsrs anyways, even if they thought you were DT.


It's like an onion. There were so many levels to it. I mean I spent like 2-3 hours just thinking about all the different possible outcomes/scenarios and regardless of what scenario the game was or how anyone reacted, town literally could be no worse off than they already were. Here is my reply to Mataza when he PM'ed me asking what I hoped to achieve from my claim.
+ Show Spoiler +
Well it's lynch or lose at this point and there is no way in which it is a bad play for town. At worst, everyone sees through it and nothing changes. At best, it protects the real DT if there is one (maybe absorbing a roleblock if there is one), it confuses the mafia, or at least makes them question what they are doing. If gtrsrs really was the medic (and wasn't so arrogant/cocky), it creates an opportunity for him to "claim" he lied about being medic and is just vanilla townie and could possibly save him - unfortunately (if he really is the medic), he immediately decided to call out the lie for what it was...

Also, it does creates a situation where the reactions to my fib can potentially induce a scum slip, but that's a longshot.

Regardless of whether I live or die through the night, the town will know my true alignment come morning so it isn't like I've created a more chaotic situation for the town. And depending on the situation and who mafia kill, there is a huge potential for a lot of information.

Basically, it's a bold gambit, but with no real downside, I figured why not give it a shot.

Although it didn't work out, I really put a lot of thought into it. I mean even in my original fake DT claim post, I tried dropping subtle hints to gtrsrs.

Has the Mafia forum been posted? I'm actually really curious to know exactly what they were thinking, especially with regard to alderan basically committing suicide.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 29 2011 02:01 GMT
#618
On June 23 2011 06:16 Drazerk wrote:
Since we all know your going to lynch me tomorrow I am going to throw my predictions around

This is nothing more than me guessing as town is dead at this point

6. Alderan
8. supersoft
12. freeloader625

Are Mafia but I doubt they have a role blocker (alderan is lying)

4. gtrsrs is probably a blue role

9. Pyo
7. CjrNinja
2. Treadmill

Are Vannila townies

As for me you will find out soon enough


I just saw this post. Oh the irony of the most confused acting town having hit the nail on the head...
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 29 2011 02:22 GMT
#619
moomoo 06-19-2011 01:00 AM ET (US)
OMG pyo has 100% read on both of you guys! I need you to post this asap!

Oh yeah, who's a bad-ass, although not quite as spot on as Drazek's post was lol.

sup 06-20-2011 12:30 PM ET (US)
okay who do we kill now? omgCRAZY or pyo

To think I was almost spared the insanity of the gtrsrs flame-a-thon

freeload 06-22-2011 08:39 PM ET (US)
WAIT WTF?!? Hold on new posts to read.

Pyo that sly sly sly man. He just claimed DT and false cleared me as green. Hes playing desperate mind games where if he wins, the town has a chance, if he loses, the town would have lost anyway. He knows hes not DT and he want to figure out setup. Hes trying to save the medic. If we don't RB him he knows Alderan is scum. If we kill him, gtrsrs has to stay alive. But gtrsrs will save him now since he claimed DT. So killing Pyo is impossible... therefore Alderan will be exposed. Wowowowowowow I never saw this coming. Maybe if I counterclaim, but I can't because DT no longer exists because he didn't get Day 3 RB.

Shit just got real.

I need time to think. Please refrain from posting until I think of a plan. I have underestimated him. He may have singlehandedly saved town.

Boo-ya! Well if nothing else I did manage to cause a minor shit storm in the mafia QT and freak FL out.


Having read through the mafia QT, I think the mafia were trying too hard, lol. Honestly if they had done absolutely nothing all game except vote, they proabably would have won given how town killed off all the active posters day 1 and 2 all by themselves. Well done by supersoft at the end to confuse town enough into completely splitting their votes, but given that treadmill and CjrNinja were totally inactive all game long and Draz was acting all dazed and confused, it was kind of inevitable.
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