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On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote: Its laughable...... Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game. There are 2 scenarios to how this happened. Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning. The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it? Well because they were afraid of their fearless leader Drazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place. It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose. If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight. alderan gave away another mafia right here. He wants to distance himself from other mafia, but knows that we'd know he'd do it - classic WIFOM. So obviously, like the original WIFOM situation, he put the poison in both glasses. One of Drazerk and supersoft is mafia, but Drazerk has acting obviously pro-town, while supersoft has for the most part been lurking. | ||
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Grrr... I wasn't sure about freeloader, but I had it down to either him or treadmill at the time I died. Freeloader primarily for this post. And Treadmill because of just general scummy play. I still maintain that my false DT claim could have saved the game if gtrsrs had played along. In fact if he had gone ahead and claimed that he lied about being medic, the only way mafia would have known that I was actually lying was if freeloader was scum. Combined with the way supersoft reacted to my claim (it reeked of scum slip first criticizing the play and then backtracking on the criticism), we totally could have won if things had gone a little differently. | ||
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On June 29 2011 06:34 Treadmill wrote: Unfortunately in your false DT claim you said that you checked fl625 and that he was green, so the mafia knew you were lying anyways. But I agree it was a good play, if a little confusing to the rest of us at first. Yes mafia knew I was lying anyway, but if gtrsrs had gone along with it, the only way for mafia to have known I was lying was if freeloader was mafia. Therefore, when gtrsrs turned up dead anyway, freeloader would have been outed as scum. Picking freeloader wasn't by random (not totally anyway). I spent a little time deciding between him and you (treadmill) since I was suspicious of both of you. | ||
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On June 29 2011 07:22 supersoft wrote: i knew that you were lying... I posted it in the mafiaforum way before gtrsrs did :D yeah, of course you did, because freeloader was mafia and I said he cleared as town. If you think about it from another perspective, the only ones who wouldn't know for sure whether I was lying or not would be vanilla townies. The fact that Cjr and Draz were both willing to believe me was a huge part of me thinking that they were both town. Regardless of whether anyone believed me or not, in retrospect, all of the scum definitely made slips in reaction to my false claim - it's just that no one was really looking for them and/or applying any pressure in response. I had intended to make a final night post before I died saying that town absolutely should have lynched you next and then flipped a coin between freeloader and treadmill, but I got hung up with work and didn't make it in time. Anyway, gg mafia. Things might have been different if there hadn't been a big huge flame war followed by complete inactivity, but you guys took advantage of it pretty well. | ||
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On June 29 2011 07:26 Treadmill wrote: Oh, I see. Interesting. I hadn't quite understood that as being your strategy. I think you may have been overthinking things a little since the mafia may have just killed gtrsrs anyways, even if they thought you were DT. It's like an onion. There were so many levels to it. I mean I spent like 2-3 hours just thinking about all the different possible outcomes/scenarios and regardless of what scenario the game was or how anyone reacted, town literally could be no worse off than they already were. Here is my reply to Mataza when he PM'ed me asking what I hoped to achieve from my claim. + Show Spoiler + Well it's lynch or lose at this point and there is no way in which it is a bad play for town. At worst, everyone sees through it and nothing changes. At best, it protects the real DT if there is one (maybe absorbing a roleblock if there is one), it confuses the mafia, or at least makes them question what they are doing. If gtrsrs really was the medic (and wasn't so arrogant/cocky), it creates an opportunity for him to "claim" he lied about being medic and is just vanilla townie and could possibly save him - unfortunately (if he really is the medic), he immediately decided to call out the lie for what it was... Also, it does creates a situation where the reactions to my fib can potentially induce a scum slip, but that's a longshot. Regardless of whether I live or die through the night, the town will know my true alignment come morning so it isn't like I've created a more chaotic situation for the town. And depending on the situation and who mafia kill, there is a huge potential for a lot of information. Basically, it's a bold gambit, but with no real downside, I figured why not give it a shot. Although it didn't work out, I really put a lot of thought into it. I mean even in my original fake DT claim post, I tried dropping subtle hints to gtrsrs. Has the Mafia forum been posted? I'm actually really curious to know exactly what they were thinking, especially with regard to alderan basically committing suicide. | ||
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On June 23 2011 06:16 Drazerk wrote: Since we all know your going to lynch me tomorrow I am going to throw my predictions around This is nothing more than me guessing as town is dead at this point 6. Alderan 8. supersoft 12. freeloader625 Are Mafia but I doubt they have a role blocker (alderan is lying) 4. gtrsrs is probably a blue role 9. Pyo 7. CjrNinja 2. Treadmill Are Vannila townies As for me you will find out soon enough I just saw this post. Oh the irony of the most confused acting town having hit the nail on the head... | ||
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moomoo 06-19-2011 01:00 AM ET (US) OMG pyo has 100% read on both of you guys! I need you to post this asap! Oh yeah, who's a bad-ass, although not quite as spot on as Drazek's post was lol. sup 06-20-2011 12:30 PM ET (US) okay who do we kill now? omgCRAZY or pyo To think I was almost spared the insanity of the gtrsrs flame-a-thon freeload 06-22-2011 08:39 PM ET (US) WAIT WTF?!? Hold on new posts to read. Pyo that sly sly sly man. He just claimed DT and false cleared me as green. Hes playing desperate mind games where if he wins, the town has a chance, if he loses, the town would have lost anyway. He knows hes not DT and he want to figure out setup. Hes trying to save the medic. If we don't RB him he knows Alderan is scum. If we kill him, gtrsrs has to stay alive. But gtrsrs will save him now since he claimed DT. So killing Pyo is impossible... therefore Alderan will be exposed. Wowowowowowow I never saw this coming. Maybe if I counterclaim, but I can't because DT no longer exists because he didn't get Day 3 RB. Shit just got real. I need time to think. Please refrain from posting until I think of a plan. I have underestimated him. He may have singlehandedly saved town. Boo-ya! Well if nothing else I did manage to cause a minor shit storm in the mafia QT and freak FL out. Having read through the mafia QT, I think the mafia were trying too hard, lol. Honestly if they had done absolutely nothing all game except vote, they proabably would have won given how town killed off all the active posters day 1 and 2 all by themselves. Well done by supersoft at the end to confuse town enough into completely splitting their votes, but given that treadmill and CjrNinja were totally inactive all game long and Draz was acting all dazed and confused, it was kind of inevitable. | ||
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