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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 09 2011 20:40 GMT
#981
On June 10 2011 05:29 Drazerk wrote:
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On June 10 2011 05:23 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:21 blackone wrote:
I have nothing new to contribute to the accusations against amazingxkcd and I don't see the need for making a post with "hey guys, just so you know, gonna vote amazingxkcd now".

Thanks,I won't even regret shooting Your puny scum face.


Both players have pretty evidence leading to believe they are both scum iGrok may be a higher priority for some but i don't see why you want to jump down this guys throat for picking one of the two Scum

Because we can't allow scum to blend in any bandwagon. It is really easy to bus and take credit for it "I was on the right side of the lynch". Everyone suspicious who jumps on bandwagon needs to get called out and pressured.
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Senj
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States193 Posts
June 09 2011 20:41 GMT
#982
Right now I'm holding on to my vote for Jimbooo. I'm giving it a little more time to see if he shows back up, because there's no sense in wasting on a vote for someone that is going to get mod-killed.

I'm going to go back through the thread and re-read the cases against amazingxkcd and iGrok in the case my number one suspect doesn't show up. After re-reading the thread I'll lay out my thoughts much like I did on Jimbooo's posting.
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
June 09 2011 20:55 GMT
#983
On June 10 2011 05:41 Senj wrote:
Right now I'm holding on to my vote for Jimbooo. I'm giving it a little more time to see if he shows back up, because there's no sense in wasting on a vote for someone that is going to get mod-killed.

I'm going to go back through the thread and re-read the cases against amazingxkcd and iGrok in the case my number one suspect doesn't show up. After re-reading the thread I'll lay out my thoughts much like I did on Jimbooo's posting.

i was thinking about that as well, but i think that if jimbooo stays inactive like hes been he would just get modkilled and i dont want to waste my vote.
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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 09 2011 20:58 GMT
#984
On June 10 2011 05:02 Jackal58 wrote:
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On June 10 2011 04:50 supersoft wrote:
haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-)

Might be me. I haven't convinced myself that either are town or either are scum. I'm leaning more towards Jimboo but I haven't made up my mind there either.


Since you were terribly wrong with you last accusation, that's ok. But let me tell you, if iGrok is innocent, you will probably be the next potential GF.

On June 10 2011 05:32 grush57 wrote:
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On June 10 2011 05:12 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:05 blackone wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote:
##Vote: amazingxkcd

You gotta go far,kid.
Not.
Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something?

I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached.

Joining on bandwagon without explanation,Puny Rat.

You didn't say that to the people who joined on the iGrok bandwagon without explanation.


What's the goal of your post? seriously, are you feared that you could be the next? Why does it bother you, if Kurumi pressures ppl that don't deliver an explanation for their votes?

On June 10 2011 05:40 Kurumi wrote:
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On June 10 2011 05:29 Drazerk wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:23 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:21 blackone wrote:
I have nothing new to contribute to the accusations against amazingxkcd and I don't see the need for making a post with "hey guys, just so you know, gonna vote amazingxkcd now".

Thanks,I won't even regret shooting Your puny scum face.


Both players have pretty evidence leading to believe they are both scum iGrok may be a higher priority for some but i don't see why you want to jump down this guys throat for picking one of the two Scum

Because we can't allow scum to blend in any bandwagon. It is really easy to bus and take credit for it "I was on the right side of the lynch". Everyone suspicious who jumps on bandwagon needs to get called out and pressured.


exactly. Scum wants to bandwagon quietly, when it's already too late to shift the process.
omgCRAZY
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada551 Posts
June 09 2011 20:59 GMT
#985
On June 10 2011 05:55 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
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On June 10 2011 05:41 Senj wrote:
Right now I'm holding on to my vote for Jimbooo. I'm giving it a little more time to see if he shows back up, because there's no sense in wasting on a vote for someone that is going to get mod-killed.

I'm going to go back through the thread and re-read the cases against amazingxkcd and iGrok in the case my number one suspect doesn't show up. After re-reading the thread I'll lay out my thoughts much like I did on Jimbooo's posting.

i was thinking about that as well, but i think that if jimbooo stays inactive like hes been he would just get modkilled and i dont want to waste my vote.


I have suspected Jimbooo from the very start and I still think he is scum but if he remains inactive then it is a free kill and we can focus on other players who are suspicious. 2 birds with one stone and/or lightning bolt.
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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 09 2011 21:09 GMT
#986
On June 10 2011 05:30 Pyo wrote:
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On June 10 2011 04:50 supersoft wrote:
haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-)


Hmm, so if the lynch target doesn't end up voting (and gets modkilled), does the next highest voting get lynched?


interesting question. if the lynch target doesn't end up voting (and gets modkilled), does the next highest voting get lynched?
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
June 09 2011 21:13 GMT
#987
On June 10 2011 05:58 supersoft wrote:
Since you were terribly wrong with you last accusation, that's ok. But let me tell you, if iGrok is innocent, you will probably be the next potential GF.

I have my own suspicions but after seeing how every body followed me like I was some fucking Pied Piper on day one I'm keeping my thoughts to myself atm. I will share when you guys have a bit firmer grasp upon the way this game works. I have no desire to be the instrument of towns demise.

Life can only kill you once.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 09 2011 21:21 GMT
#988
Alright xkcd, I can't really wait much longer for your defense, and as such I'm voting for you. I might change it depending on what you post.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 09 2011 21:23 GMT
#989
On June 10 2011 06:21 aprudds wrote:
Alright xkcd, I can't really wait much longer for your defense, and as such I'm voting for you. I might change it depending on what you post.

He posted huge thoughts on almost every player. It is highly likely that now he is busy and will be later. Did You read the thread?
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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
June 09 2011 21:34 GMT
#990
On June 10 2011 05:58 supersoft wrote:
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On June 10 2011 05:02 Jackal58 wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:50 supersoft wrote:
haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-)

Might be me. I haven't convinced myself that either are town or either are scum. I'm leaning more towards Jimboo but I haven't made up my mind there either.


Since you were terribly wrong with you last accusation, that's ok. But let me tell you, if iGrok is innocent, you will probably be the next potential GF.

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On June 10 2011 05:32 grush57 wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:12 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:05 blackone wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote:
##Vote: amazingxkcd

You gotta go far,kid.
Not.
Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something?

I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached.

Joining on bandwagon without explanation,Puny Rat.

You didn't say that to the people who joined on the iGrok bandwagon without explanation.


What's the goal of your post? seriously, are you feared that you could be the next? Why does it bother you, if Kurumi pressures ppl that don't deliver an explanation for their votes?

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On June 10 2011 05:40 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:29 Drazerk wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:23 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:21 blackone wrote:
I have nothing new to contribute to the accusations against amazingxkcd and I don't see the need for making a post with "hey guys, just so you know, gonna vote amazingxkcd now".

Thanks,I won't even regret shooting Your puny scum face.


Both players have pretty evidence leading to believe they are both scum iGrok may be a higher priority for some but i don't see why you want to jump down this guys throat for picking one of the two Scum

Because we can't allow scum to blend in any bandwagon. It is really easy to bus and take credit for it "I was on the right side of the lynch". Everyone suspicious who jumps on bandwagon needs to get called out and pressured.


exactly. Scum wants to bandwagon quietly, when it's already too late to shift the process.


Just stating what happened, not pressured or feared at all, just sayin something.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
June 09 2011 21:47 GMT
#991
On June 10 2011 05:27 Impervious wrote:
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On June 10 2011 05:21 blackone wrote:
I have nothing new to contribute to the accusations against amazingxkcd and I don't see the need for making a post with "hey guys, just so you know, gonna vote amazingxkcd now".

That's a terrible mentality.

Even if you have nothing new to contribute, at least post your thoughts and say why you're voting for him. In the long run, if everyone was to do that, it'll be much easier to determine who is scum.


Ok, I see how that's useful. Before the voting incident on rookie 44, xkcd was posting a whole lot of nothing. Seeming kind of active, but not really accusing anybody. The only thing of notice he did was his little skirmish with kurumi. After that, when attention was starting to be focused on him, he defended himself by arguing about insignificances and attacking people that attacked him. People aren't satisfied and he posts his giant ass analysis of everybody except iGrok, where he spends thousands of words paraphrasing every single post in this thread, managing to not defend himself in 200,000 words or whatever it was.
I do believe that iGrok is probably gf, but since a lot of that case revolves around him trying super hard to be a good townie while the roles of townie and gf are hard to seperate from the outside, and gf could be also very well be jackal or somebody completely different, I think we have a stronger case on xkcd. That's why I voted for him.

And kurumi, I appreciate your effort calling possible bandwagoning mafias out, but seriously, wtf. There's no way to appropriately respond to your accusations (mainly „HAHA YOU ANSWERED THAT MEANS YOU'RE SCUM). Especially your pseudo(?)-“i'll shoot you“-roleclaim. I have no idea how you could think that's useful.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 09 2011 22:33 GMT
#992
On June 10 2011 06:23 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 06:21 aprudds wrote:
Alright xkcd, I can't really wait much longer for your defense, and as such I'm voting for you. I might change it depending on what you post.

He posted huge thoughts on almost every player. It is highly likely that now he is busy and will be later. Did You read the thread?


Did you read my post after that?

omgCRAZY
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada551 Posts
June 09 2011 22:41 GMT
#993
On June 10 2011 07:33 aprudds wrote:
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On June 10 2011 06:23 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 06:21 aprudds wrote:
Alright xkcd, I can't really wait much longer for your defense, and as such I'm voting for you. I might change it depending on what you post.

He posted huge thoughts on almost every player. It is highly likely that now he is busy and will be later. Did You read the thread?


Did you read my post after that?



What post are you referring to? Just wondering if I am missing something. That was your most recent post up to this point as far as I can tell.
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omgCRAZY
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada551 Posts
June 09 2011 22:42 GMT
#994
EBWODP: Oh, I think your talking about your post after xkcd's analysis. KK
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aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 09 2011 22:43 GMT
#995
On June 10 2011 07:42 omgCRAZY wrote:
EBWODP: Oh, I think your talking about your post after xkcd's analysis. KK

Yes, sorry if I wasn't clear.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 09 2011 23:23 GMT
#996
I FINISHED THE REST OF THE ANALYSIS!!!!
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 09 2011 23:23 GMT
#997
[*]Kairo
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1st Post
FL625s berhaviour is slightly suspicious, but I find the behaviour of cherubael to be more suspicious.

His posts have been reeking of bloodlust, and he have been throwing accusations around like they were candy.

On June 05 2011 14:39 cherubael wrote:
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So...you asked a question so you could be lynched day one...alright...that makes sense. (note the sarcasm)

Either you give a legitimate, straight reason to ask this sort of question as townie, or you clearly are just trying to save your butt after having messed and shown your role as mafia.

Also, Aril, you seem to be very quick in defending him, while not wanting to accuse anyone. Are you afraid your role will be too obvious if you accuse someone? Also, what reason do you have to defend him? What has he done for you? The only reason would be because you are both mafia, and you are trying to look out for him.

-----

But then again, he might just be a bit eager...

Also:

On June 05 2011 15:09 omgCRAZY wrote:
With this being a newbies game I wouldn't be surprised that someone wants to get a handle on the game.

What I find interesting is how aprudds was so quick to get everyones attention focused on someone else and how the game has barely started and yet cherubael and Jimboo are already throwing out votes.


I also agree on
On June 05 2011 15:36 iGrok wrote:

He has plenty of reasons to be a townie. Don't even think about that kind of McCarthy Bullshit this early in the game.

Anyone voting this early deserves some measure of suspicion.

------ from another post

Regarding discussion:

Freeloader is probably not scum. He is new and likely inexperienced. However, just to be sure, a cop needs to check him tonight. Which reminds me:



This is nowhere near waterproof, but I feel that I have nowhere better to put a vote at this time.

Since it is likely that FL625 is the one that will get lynched today, we will get a flip. If he flips mafia I will conclude that cherubael is most likely non-mafia (a.k.a townie in this game, since it does not have third party roles); but if he flips townie (more likely imo) I will still view cherubael as highly suspicious.

On a sidenote: This game is mind-bending. I am too chicken to suggest that people change their vote from FL to cherubael, since it still is most likely that FL gets lynched, and there is a realistic chance that FL flips mafia. And if I had suggested that, it would paint a huge red cross on my back. And also by writing this, pointing out that I am afraid of death when the ideal mafia mindset is to be fearless of death for the benefit of the team can be considered as scummy. Gaah.

If it is revealed afterwards that all mafia is lurking and that we are just a clueless chicken coop I will have to kick myself in the back.


He is starting to get some vibes from certain opponents, particularly from chaerubal, but is cautious to really do anything because it’s too early to say much. He votes for Freeloader in this case because there is no better leads at the moment.

2nd Post
On June 07 2011 06:43 Treadmill wrote:
with how spread out our votes are the mafia will be able to easily swing a lynch.


QFT, and this is something that we should keep in mind.

I swiched my vote to Rookie44 since I believe that a lynch of FL625 would be a complete lottery, while the accusations of rookie at least has something (if not very much).

Is anyone by accident sitting on an updated list of lurkers/"less than 2 posts with substance" players?

He nows switches votes to rookie, stating that freeloader’s case is now a lottery, when his first post stated that whatever freeloader flips, cherubael is the opposite. He then asks for a lurker list. I believe that he is afraid of being seen as a lurker, or else why would he post it? He has been bandwagoning so far, but he’s too quiet to see where his accusations really lie.

3rd Post
I just realized that my post can accidentaly become flamebait. Would like to edit by doubleposting to just lurkers.

Any attempts to use "less than 2 posts with substance" in a way to start flamewars and huge derails of the thread should be considered heavily scummy behaviour. Please ignore that wording of the post above.


Yes, his post is flamebait. He catches this error of himself and then states that people should just disregard. He has yet to fully contribute to anything, then he is trying to push pressure away from himself.

4th Post
On June 07 2011 08:09 amazingxkcd wrote:
Kairo, you just switch your vote to rookie44. What is your reasoning since the last post you made was trying to draw votes away from freeloader onto cherubael. Are you attempting to bandwagon onto this guy now?


What is the exact definition of bandwagoning btw, is it only when mafia jump on the same person to get a mislynch, or is it bandwagoning if townies try to swich momentums as well?

I was trying to move momentum for a lynch on rookie since ( like I motivated in my post explaining why I changed it) I believed that it would be more benfical for the team than a lynch on FL since

1. FL would be a lottery lynch, and a flip would not make us any wiser.
2. To see how people acted in this situation in a combination with a flip could be rewarding. Muddying the ground and making people move to get footprints and arrows so to speak.

I believe that the list that stood when rookie was leading with 10 votes is more interesting than the final one, since changing votes after the lynch is almost verified to not be on the list of voters is easy.

On June 07 2011 10:52 Varpulis wrote:
Vote Tally:
Rookie44 10
Jackal58
Kurumi
Senj
amazingxkcd
kairo
impervious
vain
heist
jimboo
alderan
tdAdonis


Also want to note that if I was Mafia I would not respond to xkcds post unless pressured more, since he himself is heavily pressured and that post would be likely to slip under the radar.


This post is very confusing. He never explained his reasoning for rookie in any of his previous posts. He states that he was going with the momentum of the bandwagons. He then references the voting list when rookie capped out at 10 people, rather than the final list.

5th Post
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On June 08 2011 13:54 Treadmill wrote:
On June 08 2011 13:26 Pyo wrote:
Yay!!! I'm alive - wasn't expecting that. Too bad about GGQ, I guess they wanted to take out experienced town. The other hit has me surprised. I'll have to go through his posts and try to figure it out.

So they hit our vet? Or we have another medic who happened to protect the right person. I disagree with Treadmill. If you were medic saved or vet, DO NOT SAY ANYTHING!!!! Keep them guessing whether you are the vet or whether we have a third medic. Town doesn't need to know that information only mafia would want you to reveal yourself. Treadmill just outed himself as scum.



Bullshit. The mafia already know who the third target was - is the correct expression.

Say for instance Mafia try to hit Rookie44 and fail. The information that they tried to hit him and he survived is fairly blatantly obvious to them. For everybody town this is information that is HIGHLY relevant to know, and it is obvious that the survivor should not tell whether it is due to vet or medic.

A survivor claim benefits town at the cost of nothing more than a risk of Mafia to bluff that they are the survivor.

Claiming that the survivor should shut up is +1 scum points in my book.


He said that the mafia already knows who was their 3rd target. In my case against Jackal, I reasoned that GGQ was shot twice, negating the need for a 3rd target. Kairo already assumes that there was a 3rd target and he wants the supposed 3rd guy to step himself up.

6th Post
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Kairo Sweden. June 09 2011 11:06. Posts 93 PM Profile Quote #
On June 09 2011 10:28 Impervious wrote:
It's currently a tie. I'm going to break it.
I feel like there's a strong case vs iGrok, although I am less sure of it than I am of xkcd.
I am a little surprised that no vigis took a shot last night. Our vigis may be inactive, or we may not even have any. Because I was sure the case for lynching xkcd was strong enough to warrant an early hit.
w/e. I'm voting xkcd for now.


I feel that we were lucky that we did not get a third townie kill with misvigies, since it would have caused huge amounts of confusion. How likely is it that iGrok and xkcd is on the same team?
What would it mean if
a) iGrok flips green?
b) iGrok flips red?
c) xkcd flips green?
d) xkcd flips red?
My current vote stands for xkcd, but i can still be convinced to change. If any mafia try to affect the grok/xkcd vote situation they will have to leave footprints, which is useful.
Is there any 95%+ identified mafia in any of the "what if" scenarios a-d that we can use our vigies on?
Is there any 95%+ identified BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FOR MAFIA medic target in any of the "what if" scenarios a-d that we can use? Do NOT out blues for the mafia. There is no need to do any analysis for them.

For some of this to be relevant:
when does abilites resolve? is it by timer or simuntaneusly at the end of the night? when does medic/vigi PM timing (early/late) matter?

I believe this is potentially a double-edged sword, since stressing a decision for mafia could be useful while a premature medic/vigi decision could be really really bad. What would be nice would be to force a win/win situation for the town, but I can not see such a path clearly at this time.

is the mafia allowed to change their targets during the night?

Given: If targets are allowed to be changed and abilities resolve simuntaneusly at the end of the night then much of this post is garbage.


He voted for me without any explanations yet. The only thing that he has against me is that he can link me to him, which I am going to prove wrong. However, he is willing to change his vote based on what evidence can be provided. He is recognizing the fact that I may not be in league with iGrok at all.

In all, He has made a couple of good townie moves with giving some explanations for his actions, and a couple of scummy moves as well, such as bandwagonning, voting on Freeloader and rookie. I am unsure about him since he is conflicting his motives a lot, so the Verdict is

UNKNOWN



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[*] omgCRAZY
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1st Post
With this being a newbies game I wouldn't be surprised that someone wants to get a handle on the game.

What I find interesting is how aprudds was so quick to get everyones attention focused on someone else and how the game has barely started and yet cherubael and Jimboo are already throwing out votes.

He notes the bandwagonning efforts started by cheru, Jimboo, and aprudds already onto freeloader.

2nd post is him explaining that freeloader’s responses are a bit vague, and 3rd post is him saying that he made a 2nd post.

4th post
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As the day goes on we will separate the lurkers from the inactives and that is when we will be able to start to piece together how everyone is playing. I am more interested in the people NOT talking than all of the people pointing fingers right now.


Still it was quite early into the game, so the issues of lurking isn’t necessary right now to be brought up. He points interest in the people that are lurking, rather than the aggressive people.

5th post his him stating that he made more than 1 post

6th post
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On June 06 2011 09:56 Kairo wrote:
If it is revealed afterwards that all mafia is lurking and that we are just a clueless chicken coop I will have to kick myself in the back.


This is what I am most afraid of. Though I do agree with your assessment on cherubael.


He is afraid on the possibilities of all mafia just lurking. From a sharp standpoint, that’s a good thing since it is easier to catch mafia if they are lurking rather than. Then he states that he agrees with Kairo on cherubael.

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gtrsrs, the only reason you voted for iGrok in the first place was because of his haikus which you believed to be derailing the thread. Each of iGroks posts have been pro-town and analyzing something, the haikus were just there for fun and added a little personality to the posts and also were a mini summary of what he was going to be talking about in the rest of his post.

What I find interesting is...

On June 06 2011 03:44 gtrsrs wrote:
- dude who keeps posting haikus, please stop, that's thread derailment and very scummy. i can't even read your posts. i do not think there are any posting restrictions so only post what you HAVE to
- that being said, i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon (nor do i want to try and counterbandwagon onto aprudds for calling him out)

Why did you need to vote so hastily? You say you don't want to jump on the bandwagon or counterbandwagon but you accuse iGrok of being scum and then vote to lynch him without much evidence. You essentially did the same thing aprudds did which is not pro-town at all.

On June 06 2011 15:31 gtrsrs wrote:
for the record, fishing for blues is scummy

you're still my prime FoS, iGrok, no matter how long your post is

This post seems like you have a personal vendetta against iGrok and want people to disregard his entire analysis. Again not very pro-town.

NOTE: I do not believe he was fishing for blues with his initial analysis of how the powers were distributed, I found it very helpful and interesting and I am sure all of the other players will as well. iGrok actually responded to this and I believe his statement says it very well.


Here, he is now responding to the attacks that gtrsrs is making on iGrok and that gtrsrs is using emotions here to make his decisions.

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EBWODP: gtrsrs I am much more suspicious of you now than I was before and looking over iGroks posts only reinforces my initial thought he is pro-town.


OMGCRAZY is now stating that gtrsrs is looking scummish after looking at iGrok’s analysis and now proclaims that iGrok is now pro-town. This is important when I make my analysis on iGrok later.

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On June 06 2011 17:38 35spike1 wrote:
I had a quick read-through of the early posts and Treadmill grabbed my attention.

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Treadmill is rather relaxed about voting at first, but within 2 hours he's all ready to go and vote against FreeLoader. After seeing several people agree, he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon.

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Treadmill's jumping at whatever reason he can to revote against Freeloader. With 7 votes up against him, I'm not surprised his main concern was getting lynched day1.


Ya I am not liking how Treadmill is trying to keep everyones attention on freeloader625 when we had started to move away from that and get some real discussion going.


He is noticing that treadmill is still hiting on freeloader and wants treadmill to contribute.

10th post is him saying that he will not be available so he is going to vote right away for gtrsrs.

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Sorry, I have been trying to catch up while at work(still here). I am going to try to stick impervious' plan as it doesn't look like anyone else can get a real consensus on who to vote for. I do not think that rookie was fishing and the 3 votes that were really close together was very suspicious.

Will be able to give more analysis and reasoning later once I am off work.


He notes suspicions on the voting and wants to side with Impervious’s plan, which was to pressure me. I believe that Impervious moved away from that, so we will see what he decides to do.

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@impervious:
This is my first game, I have skimmed over some of the guides. Mainly Ver's town guide (though I have not finished reading even half of it). I have looked over the last TL Mafia game (XXXIX).

On another note. I thought mafia had 3 kills to dish out? Do they have a limited supply?

On June 08 2011 13:12 Treadmill wrote:
Only two kills? What the hey? If someone took a hit last night let us know. I don't see them stacking KP when two medics died yesterday, and similarily I don't see anyone surviving a hit.


They can stack kills? So would they have the opportunity to kill 4 tomorrow night?


Later on I will post an analysis of iGrok and where I think he stands as right now it seems some people are sure he is town and other positive he is mafia.


He now wants to analysis iGrok to discover his position on iGrok’s stance

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Wow. You guys are insane! So much to read and so little time! Sorry for being away for so long shift work's a bitch.

Here are my thoughts so far on the situation:

amazingxkcd:+ Show Spoiler +


iGrok:+ Show Spoiler +


Here, he goes to offer a short explanation on me and iGrok, then states that iGrok is a stronger case, then votes for him.

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EDWODP: So I have just read xkcd's HUGE analysis. I still believe the iGrok has to die tonight. sorry buddy. But the case on jackal is very real. Going to keep my vote for now but I will have a good 6-8 hours of free time before the end of Day 2 so I will see how this discussion unfolds and maybe we will lynch jackal and get a vigi kill on iGrok.


He apparently read my post and agreed with my reasoning on jackal. He wants to keep his vote on iGrok since he wants to see more discussion until the end of the day.

In the beginning, he seemed a bit suspicious based on his explanations and reasoning, but as the game continued, he started to show more analysis and more pro-town moves. Verdict is

TOWNIE

Since his accusations against iGrok started long before the main case developed against him.





[*] gtrsrs
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1st Post
hi everyone i'm back
my thoughts so far:
- jesus christ, 7 pages of nothing
- freeloader asked an innocuous question that was stupid but not scummy IMO

in fact he made it quite clear the reasons he was asking:
On June 05 2011 12:44 freeloader625 wrote:
Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:

1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other?
2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?


and then everyone ignored the fact that he asked another innocuous question too. clinging to false evidence ITT?

- unfortunately it looks like a slip so i can see him getting lynched today
- if he flips town, we'll need to re-evaluate the people who pushed for his lynch
- dude who keeps posting haikus, please stop, that's thread derailment and very scummy. i can't even read your posts. i do not think there are any posting restrictions so only post what you HAVE to
- that being said, i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon (nor do i want to try and counterbandwagon onto aprudds for calling him out)

- voting in this thread is not scummy, whoever said that. voting in this thread helps us keep track of bandwagons and reasoning behind votes. please vote in this thread when you vote in the voting thread.

- there are too many posts in this thread. you probably don't have anything to say at this point. don't post for posting's sake. when you do post, please make long, well-thought-out posts. short posts derail the thread. i think one of the pages had like 10 one-line posts and that's not acceptable. it allows mafia to "blend in" with the town by posting similarly.

- posts that have words but don't say anything are scummy

- kurumi is naturally an annoying, accusatory spammer, don't read into it too much (also no offense to kurumi)

- from what i've seen of his play in other games, jackal is a strong player. don't let his abrasive personality cloud your mind from his usually very-informative, rational posts. at the same time, please use your own judgment when reading his posts and decide for yourself if you come to the same conclusions. if he is mafia he will use his "upstandingness" to sheep us around.

##vote: iGrok

He is the first guy to attack iGrok and vote for him. His only reasoning against iGrok is haikus and that iGrok hasn’t posted much yet, however he is pointing that iGrok isn’t helping out much yet.

2nd Post is him defending his vote against iGrok with quotes from his 1st post.

3rd post is him still staying that iGrok is in his FOS. Notice the behavior exhibited by gtrsrs. He is so adamant on iGrok that he is unwilling to talk about anything else yet. Is this an example of tunneling, I could say yes.

4th and 5th post is him continuing to defend his position on iGrok and stating that kurumi is a townie. Still accusing iGrok.

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Okay, this is not an analysis. Everyone please note how bad this is.

But as a refutation,

I posted haikus because I wanted to, and every single one had a purpose.
I did not try to find out the town's blues. I tried to guess the setup. This helps town out just as much as it helps scum out, if not more so. If you disagree, I want to know why, in explicit detail.
Mafia doesn't know who is what PR, or even how many - they can only guess, same as me. Same point as above.

If you count both of those as my only two contributions, I'll be able to simply ignore you as a terrile player. The analysis of Kurumi, and holding town together from fracturing immediately should also be in there. As well as explaining several concepts for the newer players.

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I went through your post history - when exactly have you played before? I know you're big in the LoL subforum, but all I could find regarding mafia was as a replacement in SNMM3 and a late /in for Newbie Mini Mafia I. Just curious because you're acting like you have some knowledge of how newbies play vs how experienced people play.


note, town, how now that i am FoSing iGrok more publicly, he's attempting to discredit me as he starts to panic. even though he LITERALLY just told you to not let kurumi sheep you and use experience as a reason to put him in a position of power, he's now going to attempt to do the exact same thing. classic sheeping attempt here, he points out that i'm not a well-known figure on the mafia sub-forum. good play is good play, you don't have to be an experienced player to pick up on a scumtell. but iGrok is going to call me a bad player and pretend to ignore me. notice how he will now try to shift the attention of the town elsewhere - probably by using a 9000-character post again on an "analysis" of someone else

don't fall for his passive-aggressive tricks, town


Here, he cements his position on iGrok. The rest of his posts is him trying to attack iGrok. This can be explained as hating. Verdict

IF IGROK FLIPS RED, THEN GTRSRS IS TO BE CONFIRMED A TOWNIE. IF IGROK FLIPS GREEN, THEN GTRSRS IS CONFIRMED TO BE RED.

Gtrsrs is playing a dangerous game here, he is gambling his life on the fact that he is 100% sure that iGrok is mafia scum.



[*] iGrok
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Here we go, the Analysis on iGrok and my Positon of him.


Let’s delve into his game plan

1st post
[QUOTE] In the shadows lies
A peculiar type of Man
Kuze is my name.


In this game, I will start all of my posts with haikus. Enjoy ^^


On June 05 2011 14:39 cherubael wrote:
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So...you asked a question so you could be lynched day one...alright...that makes sense. (note the sarcasm)

Either you give a legitimate, straight reason to ask this sort of question as townie, or you clearly are just trying to save your butt after having messed and shown your role as mafia.

Also, Aril, you seem to be very quick in defending him, while not wanting to accuse anyone. Are you afraid your role will be too obvious if you accuse someone? Also, what reason do you have to defend him? What has he done for you? The only reason would be because you are both mafia, and you are trying to look out for him.

He has plenty of reasons to be a townie. Don't even think about that kind of McCarthy Bullshit this early in the game.

Anyone voting this early deserves some measure of suspicion.

Also, I am schwasted, so this may not make a lot of sense. (White Russians are the best!)

But.

If you are new to mafia, welcome. A quick word of advice: Think before you act. Those people who have already voted are acting too hastily. a 40 man game is much more about reasoning than putting pressure on someone. And the only reason you would vote this early is to put pressure on someone.

Things to note about this game:

Detectives instead of watchers: This gives us hard checks (with a few exceptions) on who is scum/town. Town needs to know this information, and we need to keep it out of the hands of mafia. For new players, this is where crumbing comes in. Crumbing is leaving clues about what you want to say. The best crumbs will be deciphered by us and not by scum. However, crumbs can be used a different way, in that you leave crumbs no one can decipher and then reveal multiple crumbs later. This is good if you are new because often times no one can understand your crumbs anyways since you don't have experience.

Vigilantes: Need to not use your shots immediately. You are MUCH more likely to hit a civilian than scum at first, and also more likely to caus confusion.

Those are the two most important roles this game.


Regarding discussion:

Freeloader is probably not scum. He is new and likely inexperienced. However, just to be sure, a cop needs to check him tonight. Which reminds me:

If a miller is roleblocked, what does he return to investiagtion?

Anyways, many good ideas floating around for a newbie game Keep up the good work

He introduces himself into the games. He makes a statement about Russians (Slovaks rape Russians any day) and gives a good word of advice. “Think before you act”. This is good way to start out the game as this is the newbie game. However, he is now trying to give advice to the DTs and the Vigis, telling them things that the mafia also knows.” Crumbling”; I am quite sure the mafias are going to look for that and Vigis should always be cautious regardless, no matter. He states that Freeloader is just a scrub townie. He then states that there are a lot of good ideas floating around when the biggest thing going was the freeloader debacble.

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[QUOTE] cherubel wrote:
Also, what reason do you have to defend him?


I didn't even see this.

If you use this argument again I will be sure you die. If Townies don't defend other townies from bullshit attacks, this game will end quite rapidly, and not in our favor.[/QUOTE]

iGrok now states that cherubel is asking for a reason is stating that cherubel will die for this. He then wants the town to not defend other townies when he stated in his first post that freeloader was probably a townie, and gave his reasons for that. Townies should defend other townies, and mafia should defend other mafias. If no one defended anybody, the Kurumi practically won the game for himself then.

3rd post is a haiku post.

4th post also a failed haiku post.

5th post is another haiku and an example of how to ask a mod question.

6th post is him stating that there is no haiku and sees that he made a mistake.

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[QUOTE] une 05 2011 18:07 Kurumi wrote:
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What? Bad lynches are good lynches? Are You a stupid Rat or You're a Noobtown? Lynch is the most IMPORTANT tool town gets.
##vote Treadmill

Two threads, Two places
Vote in one, not the other
Or you may mislead.

Just fyi, voting in the Thread and not in the voting thread is considered scummy at higher levels of play. I will of course excuse you since you are new, but I'm trying to help you out here - if you're going to vote, then vote, but make sure you know what you're doing. Make sure you read my post.

Also, again with the bullshit McCarthyism - This is VERY anti-town, and if you're a menace to town, promoting anti-town play, its in our best interest to remove you from the game if we have no strong mafia targets.

tl;dr: CTFO[/QUOTE]

He is now attacking kurumi for McCarthyism. Please take care to note that this is a mafia game, not a cold war, so if leads can be generated from McCarthyism, it is more beneficial for the town here. He states that kurumi is acting like a mafia rather than a townie.

Post 8 and 9 is more asking of kurumi to chill out and an EBWOP

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[QUOTE] On June 05 2011 18:25 Kurumi wrote:
EDWOP:
I write "You" with capital Y because I feel like and it is Polish thing.
I call Scum/people I am suspicious of Rats. Get over it.


No haiku for this,
The point is too short for one.
Just a simple note

Do shit like this, you're going to piss people off. Pissing people off is a good way to die. Dying does not help your team at all (at least in this game). You know this, you've played several games. Don't fuck over the newbies because you want to be obnoxious.

As far as your "slips" go:

Lafali, from what I can tell, is a newbie who bandwagonned, read my post warning against bandwagons, and unvoted.

Treadmill: He said we should wait, and every point of evidence is important no matter how small. Great reason to vote him.

Point grew after I wrote the haiku[/QUOTE]

Number one, iGrok never talked about bandwagonning, so lafali couldn’t have read anything on not bandwagonning. Number two, treadmill made a townie statement by stating that everyone is acting too fast and every piece of evidence is important. Ummm, why is that a mafia thing? Mafia wants to create chaos and freeloader is a great example of that. So why is Treadmill being targeted?

11th post is iGrok telling drazerk that he voted without posting and says that people were warned against it. I did not see anything like that in the rules, only as a suggestion to do since only the worst mafia would vote like that. iGrok already labeled drazerk with red ink to place a lot of suspicions on him.

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[QUOTE] On June 06 2011 04:49 GGQ wrote:
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You didn't actually mention iGrok in your post, but you voted for him. More explaining please?

My Final Haiku:
I guess fun is not allowed.
Srs Bsns.

You, sir, have no sense of fun.

So let me get this straight - your reason for voting me is "Thread Derailment" and not wanting to vote for treadmill?

You do realize you could just -wait- to vote, right?

Honestly, those are some of the worst reasons to vote that I can think of. Particularly since your post is, aside from your "evidence" against me, just a regurgitation of other posts. Post some analysis, and good analysis not just bullshit like the above post.

You may be thinking, "Why haven't you (iGrok) posted strong analysis yet then?" And knowng you, and probably kurumi as well, there probably a "Scum!" (or "Rat!") thrown in there. The reason is that last night there was nothing to analyze yet, but I saw that the town was disintegrating really fast and I had to step up to try to stop that from happening. May analysis will come after 24 hours of game time, no sooner or later. I will focus on one person, selected without bias, and attempt to ascertain through their posts what their alignment is. Anyone who remembers me from Experiment Mafia 2, I was Pink2 - You remember my analysis of Blue, and how strong that was.

In closing, BE PATIENT. Talk, yes, Discuss, yes. Accuse, especially with as little actual substance has happened so far, no.[/QUOTE]

Ok, iGrok never says anything about the accusations against him, but says that people can wait to vote. Also, iGrok says that his analysis will come later and he will pick a person on objective reasons. He then links probably his last good analysis of some random old game. At least link that game so we can see what you said. He then ends with a closing statement of “be patient”. Coming from a townie stand-point, that makes sense, but really there was no need to say so. The Town also never was disintergrating at all, it was only be attacked by mafia.

13rd post is his EBWOP stating that his 12th post was directed at gtrsrs. Also, he labeled GGQ as a townie with the green font. HOW THE FUCK DID HE KNOW THAT? WE DIDN’T EVEN KNOW MUCH ABOUT GGQ AND GGQ ALSO STARTED TO ACCUSE iGROK A BIT EARILER IN THE THREAD. O.o?

Just based on this so far, you can easily say that iGrok is a mafia scum since he knew who GGQ was without proving that stance.

14th post is him telling blackone to read the haikus.

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Well now we know that the mafia has an own thread or something like that. i think we can surely say iGrock was just doing it to stand out/fun/boredom.

Mafia ALWAYS has their own quicktopic. Thats how things run. The only exception was Sleeper Cell Mafia, which I hosted ^^

But thanks for understanding me. I'd like to have fun this game. Its not that I'm not taking things seriously![/QUOTE]

I do not care about sleeper cell mafia, why even say it? I liked your haikus too, oh well.

16th post is him taking out benj with asking for a mod check on editing

17th post is iGrok telling alderan to give timestamps on quotes. Note that Alderan did a short analysis of me, but iGrok never responded to what he said nor gave his stance on me yet from this analysis.

18th post is iGrok writing rules about self-modding in the games

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[QUOTE] On June 06 2011 12:13 CjrNinja wrote:
Gl hf everyone.

Day 1 thoughts:

Freeloader625 innocently asks a silly question and gets a lot of heat on him because of it. I doubt he is scum, experienced players have already said that mods make it clear to mafia that they can communicate outside the thread. I’d say that his posts shows him to be more town orientated because of it. so all those voting for Freeloader please unvote him immediately so as to avoid a mislynch. Subsequent posts are ambiguous one-liners, not really much to go on, looks silly but not screaming scum to me.

Speaking of which, the people who have voted for freeloader625:

Cherubael- Not sure about this guy. Pushed for the freeloader vote, which raised my suspicions of until I saw that he pointed out 35spike1s post and further lack of contribution (see below).
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Please elaborate on the last part for me.


Jimbooo- vote retracted. Quick to jump the gun for a lynch, but realizes his mistake and unvotes quickly. Probably too overeager, no scummy posts.

Lafali- vote retracted.
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WTF is this shit? Hopping on the voting bandwagon is exactly what scum does in order to lynch townies. Good job, way to do the scum’s work for them. Based on this post alone it makes you either scum, or a very clueless townie. You’re my prime suspect atm but I’ll withhold voting for you until after I see how you defend yourself.


Treadmill, Benjef, Drazerk, grush57. Don’t really have much of a read on these guys. Treadmill pretty hasty in his posts like Jimbooo, but went about it in a more scummy way. Can you all please unvote Freeloader for now and wait until some of the more legitimate candidates for your vote continue posting?


Others:
35spike1
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All the one liners regarding the freeloader post aren’t helping town, it gives the opportunity for scum to fly under the radar and post rubbish like this and getting away with it unchecked. Keeping my eye on 35spike1. Time for a contribution please.


Kumuri- Pretty experienced. Very forward with his opinion and is looking at the right people. Definitely the most day1 pro-town person we have at the moment.

Amazingxkcd- Stop posting obvious, non contributing shit. “It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it.” That post has no value whatsoever except as a front for you to appear active.
Also, your copy+paste post on the guides to mafia are equally useless. Analysis on the game please, if other people haven’t already read the 4th post on this thread, then it’s their loss.

TheAwesomeAll- He made a list, and he’s checking it twice. No big deal, a good way to keep track of people who haven’t contributed much, if anything. Don’t know why people are getting so riled up about it though monsterDrakar?

Conclusion/tl;dr: Everyone stop voting forFreeloader and keep your eyes on what Lafali, Cherubael, 35spike1 and Amazingxkcd have to say.

/rant


Whats your opinion of me? Curious[/QUOTE]

This is probably iGrok’s first major slip-up. He has yet to give any meaning analysis besides the one on kurumi, and now he is asking for what people think of him. This is as bad as saying “Hey, who are the blues here? Let’s think about what to do”. If iGrok really was a townie, then he shouldn’t worry since he knows that he is innocent. If iGrok was mafia, then clearly he is a bit worried about his position in the game. Gtrsrs is being quite accurate on why iGrok seems fishy. IGrok still has yet to respond to the analysis that other people give.

20th post is him telling everyone to wait for his analysis of kurumi.

21st post is him stating that a certain player isn’t playing.

22nd post is him giving his massive post on kurumi. Also, I play as GlaDOS in roleplaying games, particularly mafia games when you pick your name, and he stole my identity.

23rd post is iGrok responding to gtrsrs and then referencing another the same mafia game. Well, if town won on day 3, maybe I can win for the town on day 2? 0.o?

24th and 25th post is random stuff, disregard.

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[QUOTE] On June 06 2011 16:04 gtrsrs wrote:
here is my scum hunt
you post haiku's in a game where posting anything more than necessary is distracting and derailing
you try to find the town's blues so that the mafia can know what they're up against
the one thing that the town has as an advantage is that the mafia doesn't know our PRs and here you are spelling the info out for them

even if you're not mafia, your two biggest contributions so far are anti-town

everyone i encourage you to ##vote: iGrok and watch how he (and others) react as the votes pile up. putting the pressure on someone is a good way to find mafia. watch the people that come to defend him and how they do so and then when he flips red, go after them next


Okay, this is not an analysis. Everyone please note how bad this is.

But as a refutation,

I posted haikus because I wanted to, and every single one had a purpose.
I did not try to find out the town's blues. I tried to guess the setup. This helps town out just as much as it helps scum out, if not more so. If you disagree, I want to know why, in explicit detail.
Mafia doesn't know who is what PR, or even how many - they can only guess, same as me. Same point as above.

If you count both of those as my only two contributions, I'll be able to simply ignore you as a terrile player. The analysis of Kurumi, and holding town together from fracturing immediately should also be in there. As well as explaining several concepts for the newer players.

On June 06 2011 16:11 gtrsrs wrote:
in fact i think kurumi is doing the right thing. we have nothing to go on on day 1. there are a lot of inexperienced players. lots of times if a new player is mafia and you insinuate that they're mafia they get really defensive. even if they know that you're accusing everyone, new players can slip up when you get around to accusing them. so i think kurumi is just trying to shake out some baddie mafias.


I went through your post history - when exactly have you played before? I know you're big in the LoL subforum, but all I could find regarding mafia was as a replacement in SNMM3 and a late /in for Newbie Mini Mafia I. Just curious because you're acting like you have some knowledge of how newbies play vs how experienced people play.[/QUOTE]

His first point is that he tried to hide the PRs. If he really wanted to hide the PRs, then he should had just simply said “do not reveal yourself at all until you feel safe to do so”. His next point is guessing the PR count. No one knows the PR count in this game. Then he attempts to put gtrsrs by stating that he has done a lot more for the town. When we looked at the last 26 posts made by iGrok, only one actually had any good meaning, which was the analysis of Kurumi. He is lying about his own contributions. There is no need to do so. Just admit that he didn’t do much. Also, he lied about holding the town together when in reality it was rookie who got the town together (ask me later why).

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[QUOTE] On June 06 2011 16:20 CjrNinja wrote:
@ iGrok
I disagree with your player analysis. I think Kumuri is taking a very pro-town initiative by putting a lot of pressure on inexperienced players. It's a good opportunity to gauge reactions and hopefully pick up on a scum slip if the accused can't handle the pressure ^^
Also, the less attention towards blue roles, the better... last thing town needs is an inexperienced playing letting slip his blue role on day1.

Disagreement is fine! I'm a huge fan of actual discussion about things - but someone had to start the analysis, and the little quotes we were getting before are much more annoying to deal with. As I said, I'm not completely certain on Kurumi, but if I had to choose I'd say scum. Thats why I asked for a DT check.

Regarding my 'focus on blue roles', which I take you and gtr to mean my Setup Analysis, what I love most about Mafia is the mechanics, and so I'm going to try to work those out as best I can. Since neither mafia nor town knew (or knows now) how many of each role there are, I haven't really done anything. However, with rough, probable numbers, we can work out the best way to assign our blue powers. Blues are (arguably) the most important part of a mafia game - we should try to line up some good actions instead of just hoping for the best.[/QUOTE]

Big mistake here. If iGrok was a fan of discussion, then why is it that the only people that he talked about was kurumi and gtrsrs. Against kurumi, he just tries to state that kurumi is acting like McCarthy (DO your history research, this guy is actually an interesting case). Against gtrsrs, his defence had either been lies about his posts or about gtrsrs not having enough evidence.

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[QUOTE] On June 06 2011 16:44 gtrsrs wrote:
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note, town, how now that i am FoSing iGrok more publicly, he's attempting to discredit me as he starts to panic. even though he LITERALLY just told you to not let kurumi sheep you and use experience as a reason to put him in a position of power, he's now going to attempt to do the exact same thing. classic sheeping attempt here, he points out that i'm not a well-known figure on the mafia sub-forum. good play is good play, you don't have to be an experienced player to pick up on a scumtell. but iGrok is going to call me a bad player and pretend to ignore me. notice how he will now try to shift the attention of the town elsewhere - probably by using a 9000-character post again on an "analysis" of someone else

don't fall for his passive-aggressive tricks, town

Nice OMGUS, bro. You have a habit of responding only to one thing in a post. You should probably change that, not just for this game but for all of them.

Anyways, the last thing I'm going to say regarding this (unless you keep up the smear campaign [or answer my points]) is that I said Kurumi is trying to use experience he doesn't have to get into power by associating himself with those who do. Personally, I think Jackal58, GGQ, or Vain would be great people to look up to and have confidence in - they're all pretty experienced and -good- players. Whomever among them we can confirm/be reasonably certain is town should be looked up to.

And just FTR, it wasn't 9,000 characters. It was 26,088 characters. Lets see you put that kind of effort into a post, eh?[/QUOTE]

230,000 characters and counting. Care to put that kind of effort into a post, eh? Ok, HE LABELS VAIN AS TOWNIE, GGQ AS TOWNIE, AND JACKAL AS TOWNIE. GGQ DIED A TOWNIE. He never talked anything about GGQ nor Jackal nor Vain. That is quite a suspicion. Again, HOW DOES HE KNOW WHO GGQ AND JACKAL AND VAIN ARE?? HE NEVER TALKED ABOUT HIS STANCES ON THEM?!!?

29th post is him saying that if he is 100% correct, he will never play with Meapak again. Well, Jackal is confirmed scum, and GGQ is confirmed townie, so looks like Meapak is going to play with him again.

30th post
[QUOTE] EBWOP:
The reason is because those are by far the three strongest players in this game, and it simply wouldn't be fair. Hosts are supposed to randomize teams, but they have some responsibility to ensure a fair and balanced game.[/QUOTE]

What previous history did he have with those 3? How does he know that Meapak could have balanced them like that?

31st post is him laughing at the only small analysis of him. I am sure that if gtrsrs knew about day 1 results, then he could have made a more convincing post.

32nd post is iGrok talking about Pyo’s decision.

I do not understand this. GTRSRS has been hating on iGrok for practically the entire game and iGrok just says “gtrsrs is not scum”. HUH? 0.o? 0.o? 0.o?

33rd post is iGrok defending himself against Pyo. The only defense he posted revolves around having fun and “keeping the town together”. I assure you that he has lied about this already.

34th post is telling the amount of hours left in the game.

35th post
[QUOTE] Hey Jackal, good to see you again. Mind going over my Kurumi analysis?[/QUOTE]

I have brought forth a major post about this and I will TL:DR this here: iGrok just met jackal? iGrok just trust jackal? 0.o?

36th post is iGrok saying that he shouldn’t have analyzed Kurumi. And he plays Protoss…. (Fucking Reavers and Colussi…)

37th post
[QUOTE] On June 06 2011 22:52 amazingxkcd wrote:
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As his post concerning kurumi 's behavior had helped, i am concerned with this statement. iGrok has listed a couple of seasoned players whom he reconizes for their experiences, but here he is already jumping to the conclusion that he had no reason to suspect them, especially jackal whom only made a post spectulating.

It seems to be that iGrok is quite convinced that kurumi is a scum as he already asked for a dt check rather than trust the dts to make the right decisions.

About jackal, i do not know much about him as he has not stated a lot yet, but iGrok is showing us that he is in league with jackal as from the podt above.

As of now, i do not want to label iGrok as scum, and i'd rather wait until later to see what jackal says and how the game flows, but iGrok is still suspicious. If iGrok is convicted as scum, then that puts pressure on jackal to respond.


If I was convinced Kurumi was scum, I'd be pushing for his lynch - hard.

Do I know that Jackal is town? No. I know he's good. Therefore I want a lot of action from him, for two reasons: If Jackal is Town, a lot of action from him means a lot of pro-town things happen. If he is scum, a lot of action occurs that I can make a read from.[/QUOTE]

He did a 27,00 character post on analysis on Kurumi and isn’t convinced that kururmi is mafia? Why waste 27,000 characters then? Then he defends Jackal. Remember this, Jackal and iGrok inherently trust each other throughout this game.

38th post is iGrok asking Xedat to add more information to the list

39th post is iGrok saying that editing is the cardinal sin.

40th post is saying that 12 hours until end of day 1

41st post.
[QUOTE] Goddamnit Kurumi I don't know if you're town or scum. PICK A SIDE DAMNIT[/QUOTE]

AS OF NOW, THIS IS THE ONLY POST TO PROTECT IGROK FROM BEING LABELED AS MAFIA. How? He’s acting like he doesn’t know. But I am afraid that this is too weak to protect him.

42nd post, disregard since Vain made a typo error

43rd post is iGrok having no clue about who to lynch. About this time, people started to form cases against me and against you. Why don’t you lynch me? I am the biggest target right now.

44th post is Him making a list of people. Look really hard at the people he is trying to protect from lynches. Then he votes Drazerk for voting without posting. Not exactly the best course of action. If he is bandwagonning, and not talking then he probably have no important role in this game, despite looking very scummy.

45th post
[QUOTE] On June 07 2011 03:11 Kurumi wrote:
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That's pretty big list. Care to explain why those people shouldn't be lynched?


Me: I'm Town.
Jackal, Vain, GGQ: I want to know who among you is also town.
Kurumi: I don't know what to think about him, but I want to know more. As the game progresses he's gotten better imo, so I'm waiting to see how he turns out.
Treadmill, 35spike1, CrJNinja, Xedat, aprudds: Hes not afraid to say what he thinks, and did some decent analysis.[/QUOTE]

Um, you are not town, bye bye.
Jackal is not town, GGQ got killed, Vain I wrote his analysis already.
Kurumi, you’re town,
The others; I either didn’t know yet or they are suspicious to me.

This could be seen as a mistake since iGrok wanted to keep GGQ safe and Jackal safe. Essentially, he is trying to keep all of the experienced players alive rather than his side alive.

46th post is iGrok wanting a DT check on Kurumi.

47th post iGrok is now advocating gtrsrs for wanting to lynch iGrok without any proof yet besides saying that gtrsrs is hating on him.

48th post iGrok would be shocked if the GF would be lynched on day 1. That technically cannot happen. Very scummy post here.

49th post is mod help request

50th post

[QUOTE] Alright guys, I'm awake. Reading through now....


On June 07 2011 09:24 GGQ wrote:

Thoughts on what I've read so far: iGrok's post on setup was not blue-fishing at all (if he was doing that for the benefit of his mafia friends, he would post it in mafia quicktopic, not in thread), but it also was kind of useless (sorry bro, I know you like this kind of stuff, but there was no need to post it). You went through a lot of trouble and wild conjecture just to arrive at the conclusion that we probably have a pretty normal setup (2dts, 2-3medics, 2-4vigs, 2-4 vets). You could have just stated that that's a normal setup for the roles that were listed. I want to mention, though, that I've played in games on this forum where the only blue roles were vigilantes, and where the only blue roles were veterans. Be ready for anything and DONT count on blue roles to win the game for you. Greens win games far more often than blues do.


The reason I posted the big analysis even though it came to a normal setup was so that many of the new people, who don't know what a traditional setup is, would have a rough idea.


That being said, I find this rookie bandwagon very interesting. I don't think he's scum, just... bad with his words.

Drazert is still my vote.[/QUOTE]

iGrok posted an analysis on kurumi because he wanted to show an example? 0.o? I thought he wanted to give his stance on Kurumi. He then accurately predicts that Rookie just sucks at this game.

51st post is EBWOP and 52nd post is him asking for clarification on Impervious’s plan

52nd post is timestamp till 1st lynch.

53rd post is wordplay with CjrNinja’s name

AFTER THE DAY 1 LYNCHES, OTHER PEOPLE START TO ANALYIZE iGROK’s MOVE FROM THAT PERIOD, SO REFER TO THEM.

IN ALL, HE HAS REALLY ONLY MADE A COUPLE OF GOOD IN-DEPTH POSTS, BUT HE HAS YET TO MAKE A REALLY GOOD PRO-TOWN MOVE. HIS ONLY GOOD ANALYSIS IS ON KURUMI, AND HE HASN’T BEEN PLAYING IN THE TOWN’S FAVOR AT ALL.


VERDICT IS

MAFIA

ISCLAIMER: THERE IS A SUPER SMALL CHANCE iGROK IS TOWNIE. IF HE FLIPS GREEN, NO ONE SHOULD BLAME EACH OTHER SINCE HE PLAYED LIKE A GODFATHER HERE*

[*] tdAdonis
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Hasn’t made a post yet… Can we Modkill him please?


The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 09 2011 23:24 GMT
#998
TL;DR

Hey, you guys were right, iGrok is mafia!

However, since i am more convinced of jackal, i am willing to switch my vote to iGrok if you guys also want to all vote for him since i really want to lynch both Jackal and iGrok
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 09 2011 23:26 GMT
#999
Shit... stupid out of place quote bracket made iGrok's section unreadable. Sorry about that and if you guys want, i will repost that analysis with the correct formatting.
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 09 2011 23:30 GMT
#1000
On June 10 2011 08:26 amazingxkcd wrote:
Shit... stupid out of place quote bracket made iGrok's section unreadable. Sorry about that and if you guys want, i will repost that analysis with the correct formatting.


I would, just that section and spoilered. A lot of people are going to want to read it.
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