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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 09 2011 17:57 GMT
#961
I am still in school, waiting for the finals to finish in 20 mins. A lot of people have been advocating for iGrok's lynch so i will take that into account. Looking at his current status, he's making memes for map threads and trying to avoid the issues against him. I will further into that when i get home from school.
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
June 09 2011 17:57 GMT
#962
On June 10 2011 02:44 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 02:23 teamsolid wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:28 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Honestly, I don't understand why people are reading Treadmills and XCD's posts. While its important to hear their defense, they aren't defending themselves, but DISTRACTING you. - haven't read 48 yet.

I've been reading http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475 for some insight into reading scum tells. Basically what Ver shows us is that the most important theme among mafia posts is looking like they're contributing, but not actually say anything. Basically, a lot of empty words without performing any real analysis, not suggesting any targets and not coming to any conclusions.

KXCD's post was actually the exact opposite of that. He actually analyzed players pretty deeply and used plenty of reasoning in his posts if you read it carefully. I haven't read all of it yet, but what I have read so far has made sense to me at least when I was reading it, and he gave strong conclusions about whether people were town or mafia. It's basically as Pro-Town as you can possibly get.


That bolded part is very important in my case against iGrok, and would like everyone to read it and then my analysis on iGrok.

As for XCD's analysis, I take it with less than a grain of salt as he has a lot of votes himself and would probably say anything to get people to not vote for him, yet instead of defending himself he throws blame other places.

I feel it is important to stay focused on iGrok and not be distracted. I agree that we shouldn't stop discussion, but right now the votes are pretty split between iGrok and XCD and I am really pushing to get iGrok lynched today and XCD (or Jackal or Treadmill) tomorrow, but I feel it is most vital for iGrok tonight and right now posts from both Treadmill and XCD have been to get our attention shifted from iGrok while iGrok ceases to post in an attempt to "play dead so the bear walks away".

Exactly. iGrok hasn't been really pushing for lynching for anyone - preferring to remain in the background. In day 1, he gives a throwaway lynch target that he knows won't be lynched considering the evidence against other players like Jimbooo and other lurkers as well. He refuses to be drawn into the rookie debate - and on day 2 - very noticeably, he praises Treadmill for his analysis, but refuses to pass judgment on xkcd's case.

iGrok doesn't want to be forced to make a judgment because he knows that he would be caught in an awkward position if he were to do so and so has disappeared.

Another person that i heavily suspect now is Vain for the reasons outlined by GGQ and also my analysis here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500&currentpage=39#766
and
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500&currentpage=39#773
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
June 09 2011 18:01 GMT
#963
On June 10 2011 02:44 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 02:23 teamsolid wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:28 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Honestly, I don't understand why people are reading Treadmills and XCD's posts. While its important to hear their defense, they aren't defending themselves, but DISTRACTING you. - haven't read 48 yet.

I've been reading http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475 for some insight into reading scum tells. Basically what Ver shows us is that the most important theme among mafia posts is looking like they're contributing, but not actually say anything. Basically, a lot of empty words without performing any real analysis, not suggesting any targets and not coming to any conclusions.

KXCD's post was actually the exact opposite of that. He actually analyzed players pretty deeply and used plenty of reasoning in his posts if you read it carefully. I haven't read all of it yet, but what I have read so far has made sense to me at least when I was reading it, and he gave strong conclusions about whether people were town or mafia. It's basically as Pro-Town as you can possibly get.

As for XCD's analysis, I take it with less than a grain of salt as he has a lot of votes himself and would probably say anything to get people to not vote for him, yet instead of defending himself he throws blame other places.

This is the kind of reasoning I take issue with. You are expecting there to be some "magical" defense that will save you from getting lynched when half the town is on you already. What do you expect him to say? "Guys I'm town, please believe me!"?

Honestly, if I was Mafia and in his position, I would've just said fuck it and leave the thread, not make some gigantic post giving in-depth analysis to nearly everyone in the game.

Just like I said earlier, you need to stop looking at people's posts with mafia-tinted glasses. Maybe he made a strong analytical/Pro-Town post because he IS town, possibly a detective as someone pointed out.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 09 2011 18:01 GMT
#964
On June 10 2011 02:45 TranceStorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 02:20 Alderan wrote:
Here is kind of a new line of thinking let's see what everyone thinks.

I have a feeling that it is safe to assume that either iGork or Jackal is scum (based on xkcd's huge analysis above I'm going to go with iGork).

I think we keep the vote on xkcd for the simple fact that the case against Jackal is much stronger than some people give it credit for. Let's give Jackal/iGork one more day to slip up. Whats the downside? Sure if either is maf they are probably GF, but it's not like they have inherent kp, and framing is not going to be the biggest deal because no one is going to claim after night 2 (or shouldn't).

Moral of the story: Keep votes on xkcd and don't over look Jackal while tunneling iGork . Let's wait for one of them to make a mistake.

Hey Alderan, since you are here right now (I hope), would you mind some of the accusations I made of you here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500&currentpage=40#785 ?

I am particularly curious as to your 180 degree switch from opposing the rookie lynch to supporting it. Vain also performed a similar switch-around but I am prepared to cut you a bit more slack considering your recent activity and your accusations of xkcd (compared to Vain's lack thereof).


It was really one of those situations that I said, "I don't think the evidence is as strong as everyone thinks it is can someone clarify" then someone clarified a bit and I said "well it makes more sense but let's see how rookie defends himself". Rookie then came out with a very halfhearted answer like he didn't really care, so I assessed the situation that either he is a lazy mafia or he is a worthless townie that is going to have doubt surrounding him all throughout the rest of the game, so I figured even if we were wrong, it wouldn't be as big of a loss as it could have been.

I completely missed a blue read in any of his posting, I only got either lazy town or lazy maf.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 09 2011 18:31 GMT
#965
A little more than nine hours remain, please remember to vote! Currently voting: 20 of 33
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TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
June 09 2011 19:34 GMT
#966
iGrok is atm basicly under suspicion for these things
1 spam on day on (mainly the haiku thingy)
2 arrogant play
3 saying falafi changed because oh his post
4 his connection with xkcd
a lot of empty words have been written about that (accusations he avoided bandwagons because he is scum, not enough initiative (only drazerk) )
Also there are players who vote for iGrok because of

On June 09 2011 13:54 omgCRAZY wrote:

I have to agree. Peoples arguments all boil down to him being the GF. The way this is turning out it looks like he must be voted for tonight or killed. If not we will have to basically give up and decide as a town that he is town and stop pursuing it any further unless iGrok starts saying many scummy things.

For this reason I ##vote: iGrok

[/spoiler]
most of the stuff against him is rubbish. However the arguements used by GGQ cant be ignored. I think that the case against XKCD is just stronger. And also if xkcd flips scum he iGrok is definetly scum (probably gf) therefore i think lynching XKCD is way safer, since iGrok could do a lot for the town, since hes experienced and such. (although his day1 wasnt the best example of that imo) And he gives us information about

Also XKCD tried to be a little too cute i think
[image loading]
using xkcd comics, going iGrok style.

also i would like to hear more from jimbooo, since he hasnt responded against the attacks against him
dr Helvetica <3
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 09 2011 19:43 GMT
#967
@TheAwesomeAll
He is not suspicious because of arrogant play,he was passive and tried to lead the town. While he was a huge voice,he never led the town to do anything much. He certainly fears getting connected to any incorrect lynch or behaviour.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 09 2011 19:47 GMT
#968
On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote:
##Vote: amazingxkcd

You gotta go far,kid.
Not.
Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something?
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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 09 2011 19:50 GMT
#969
haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-)
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
June 09 2011 20:02 GMT
#970
On June 10 2011 04:50 supersoft wrote:
haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-)

Might be me. I haven't convinced myself that either are town or either are scum. I'm leaning more towards Jimboo but I haven't made up my mind there either.
Life can only kill you once.
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
June 09 2011 20:05 GMT
#971
On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote:
##Vote: amazingxkcd

You gotta go far,kid.
Not.
Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something?

I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 09 2011 20:12 GMT
#972
On June 10 2011 05:05 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote:
##Vote: amazingxkcd

You gotta go far,kid.
Not.
Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something?

I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached.

Joining on bandwagon without explanation,Puny Rat.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
June 09 2011 20:21 GMT
#973
I have nothing new to contribute to the accusations against amazingxkcd and I don't see the need for making a post with "hey guys, just so you know, gonna vote amazingxkcd now".
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 09 2011 20:23 GMT
#974
On June 10 2011 05:21 blackone wrote:
I have nothing new to contribute to the accusations against amazingxkcd and I don't see the need for making a post with "hey guys, just so you know, gonna vote amazingxkcd now".

Thanks,I won't even regret shooting Your puny scum face.
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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4216 Posts
June 09 2011 20:27 GMT
#975
On June 10 2011 05:21 blackone wrote:
I have nothing new to contribute to the accusations against amazingxkcd and I don't see the need for making a post with "hey guys, just so you know, gonna vote amazingxkcd now".

That's a terrible mentality.

Even if you have nothing new to contribute, at least post your thoughts and say why you're voting for him. In the long run, if everyone was to do that, it'll be much easier to determine who is scum.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 09 2011 20:29 GMT
#976
On June 10 2011 05:23 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 05:21 blackone wrote:
I have nothing new to contribute to the accusations against amazingxkcd and I don't see the need for making a post with "hey guys, just so you know, gonna vote amazingxkcd now".

Thanks,I won't even regret shooting Your puny scum face.


Both players have pretty evidence leading to believe they are both scum iGrok may be a higher priority for some but i don't see why you want to jump down this guys throat for picking one of the two Scum
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
June 09 2011 20:30 GMT
#977
On June 10 2011 04:50 supersoft wrote:
haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-)


Hmm, so if the lynch target doesn't end up voting (and gets modkilled), does the next highest voting get lynched?
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
June 09 2011 20:32 GMT
#978
On June 10 2011 05:12 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 05:05 blackone wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote:
##Vote: amazingxkcd

You gotta go far,kid.
Not.
Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something?

I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached.

Joining on bandwagon without explanation,Puny Rat.

You didn't say that to the people who joined on the iGrok bandwagon without explanation.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 09 2011 20:32 GMT
#979
On June 10 2011 05:32 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 05:12 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:05 blackone wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote:
##Vote: amazingxkcd

You gotta go far,kid.
Not.
Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something?

I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached.

Joining on bandwagon without explanation,Puny Rat.

You didn't say that to the people who joined on the iGrok bandwagon without explanation.

I can't catch'em all,who am I,Professor Oak?
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 09 2011 20:35 GMT
#980
EDWOP:
By this I meant I can't track everyone on real time joining bandwagons without explanation. Noticing this as fast as he posted got me an instant answer.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
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