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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On June 09 2011 13:22 Treadmill wrote: [/b]Something else: GGQ didn't post ANY suspicions of iGrok until literally 1 minute before the night post. So the notion that GGQ was killed to protect iGrok from his accusations is bogus. Wait, when did anyone say this? | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On June 09 2011 13:34 Pyo wrote: Jesus christ!!! I applaud your effort, but it's really misplaced you really expect people to read through all that? I haven't gotten through all of it, but your analysis of jackal (the only part that wasn't properly spoilered) is bad. You're taking whether or not he was even going to participate as a sign of his role? WTF? And people called me tunneling iGrok bad analysis... You pick on jackal saying kurumi is insane as an indication of jackal trying to condemn or discredit him. That's wrong, go read kurumi's posting in XXXIX. He IS insane. I think even he'd admit it. Jackal pointing out rookie would be extremely dangerous for the god father to do. I mean why take that risk when he could have one of the other mafia do it or even wait for a townie to make a false accusation. Jackal says DT checks will return townie. That is not wrong. blues are townies too. "Ok, how can Jackal knows that Kurumi is scum if Freeloader is scum? If freeloader is scum, then Kurumi isn’t necessary that of a scum. Jackal then adds the second sentence as a insurance policies to himself. If Freeloader flips townie, then Kurumi is townie and most of the bandwagoners is scummy. Why does Jackal not say that? He lied here, and we know Mafia has to lie to win this game." - like for real? That is absurd. Bottom line this huge ass post is just a distraction filled with garbage analysis... and I haven't read the spoilered parts yet. Oh yeah one thing, my analysis of you has lead me to determine that you are a scum. You just confirmed that By clearly trying to defend jackal here. Everyone is watching you, do not forget | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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omgCRAZY
Canada551 Posts
Here are my thoughts so far on the situation: amazingxkcd:+ Show Spoiler + Around the time when rookie44 was getting a huge influx of votes. Impervious presented an argument that votes should be switched over to either Jimbooo or xkcd. Which he ultimately decided to vote for xkcd. I did not have confidence in Jackals argument that rookie44 was blue fishing and so I went for the vote on xkcd. My current thoughts on xkcd: I believe Kurumi is town, he is too outlandish and provoking to be otherwise. I thought the 3 people voting within a few minutes of each other was suspicous but I have not seen any amazing arguments that point to all 3 of them being scum and so I believe that this may have just been a crazy coincidence now. I feel as though lately xkcd has contributed to the town discussion enough where his removal is not something we need to push for at this very moment. iGrok:+ Show Spoiler + I believed iGrok to be town early on in the game as I would think most did. Many still do feel he is pro-town. After reading this. On June 09 2011 12:10 Sprungjeezy wrote: I really do appreciate your input Heist. But I wish to add something to our discussion. iGrok's "defence". He conceded, there is either too much against him, or he hopes the town would be forgiving/forgetful - as we may end up being today. This is why we NEED to vote him NOW instead of tomorrow. I do realize that he could easily be a townie trying to be "helpful" but for an experienced player I feel he is drawing TOO much attention to himself. That plus GGQ's post, plus my analysis (which actually cemented my feelings FURTHER) and the fact that he is not defending himself are shutting the case for my opinion. I have to agree. Peoples arguments all boil down to him being the GF. The way this is turning out it looks like he must be voted for tonight or killed. If not we will have to basically give up and decide as a town that he is town and stop pursuing it any further unless iGrok starts saying many scummy things. For this reason I ##vote: iGrok | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On June 09 2011 13:40 amazingxkcd wrote: Oh yeah one thing, my analysis of you has lead me to determine that you are a scum. You just confirmed that By clearly trying to defend jackal here. Everyone is watching you, do not forget You think I'm scum?!? I'm kind of excited now. I starting to think that there was no way I could make it less obvious that I was town to the point I was really worried I was going to get mafia killed by becoming a confirmed townie. Also I have no idea whether jackal is scum or not. He could be but honestly that doesn't really matter right now. Even if he is scum considering his mistake about rookie, he has limited sway over town right now, so he's somewhat lower on the we-should-lynch-right-now list certainly below iGrok and yourself. ROFL just read your analysis of me. I'm not gonna bother defending myself against it, but if someone wants to have fun they can go ahead and do it. In fact, I encourage everyone to read it - it's just that funny. The only thing I'll point out is that many of the quotes attributed to me were quotes within my posts - xkcd messed all the nesting up. | ||
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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
On June 09 2011 13:34 Pyo wrote: Jesus christ!!! I applaud your effort, but it's really misplaced you really expect people to read through all that? I haven't gotten through all of it, but your analysis of jackal (the only part that wasn't properly spoilered) is bad. You're taking whether or not he was even going to participate as a sign of his role? WTF? And people called me tunneling iGrok bad analysis... You pick on jackal saying kurumi is insane as an indication of jackal trying to condemn or discredit him. That's wrong, go read kurumi's posting in XXXIX. He IS insane. I think even he'd admit it. Jackal pointing out rookie would be extremely dangerous for the god father to do. I mean why take that risk when he could have one of the other mafia do it or even wait for a townie to make a false accusation. Jackal says DT checks will return townie. That is not wrong. blues are townies too. "Ok, how can Jackal knows that Kurumi is scum if Freeloader is scum? If freeloader is scum, then Kurumi isn’t necessary that of a scum. Jackal then adds the second sentence as a insurance policies to himself. If Freeloader flips townie, then Kurumi is townie and most of the bandwagoners is scummy. Why does Jackal not say that? He lied here, and we know Mafia has to lie to win this game." - like for real? That is absurd. Bottom line this huge ass post is just a distraction filled with garbage analysis... and I haven't read the spoilered parts yet. He probably wrote this in one sitting hence the wild thoughts all over the place. Xkcd although it's great that your attempting to contribute, you still haven't defended yourself. I read the entire thing but right now your only defense against the allegations is "Why aren't you lynching Jackal then? Look at all the bad things he did!" "I just followed jackal!" is a terrible thing to say. It makes you look flaky and irresponsible. It's as if you were caught speeding on the highway and to avoid getting a ticket you tell the officer "Everyone else was doing it!". Stop trying to shift the blame. You were responsible in that lynch along with all the other suspicious actions that were outlined before. That why You have to defend yourself. Yes, maybe it isn't fair. Yes, everyone else should be under suspicion as well, but you know what? Your the most suspicious and that's why people are focused on you. Anyways, you can sleep on it and finish your analysis tomorrow. I'm hoping you had alot more to say but need a break to properly communicate it. Also Jackal I still want your thoughts. Come out of hiding and play! | ||
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omgCRAZY
Canada551 Posts
 sorry buddy. But the case on jackal is very real. Going to keep my vote for now but I will have a good 6-8 hours of free time before the end of Day 2 so I will see how this discussion unfolds and maybe we will lynch jackal and get a vigi kill on iGrok. | ||
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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
On June 09 2011 13:55 Pyo wrote: You think I'm scum?!? I'm kind of excited now. I starting to think that there was no way I could make it less obvious that I was town to the point I was really worried I was going to get mafia killed by becoming a confirmed townie. Also I have no idea whether jackal is scum or not. He could be but honestly that doesn't really matter right now. Even if he is scum considering his mistake about rookie, he has limited sway over town right now, so he's somewhat lower on the we-should-lynch-right-now list certainly below iGrok and yourself. ROFL just read your analysis of me. I'm not gonna bother defending myself against it, but if someone wants to have fun they can go ahead and do it. In fact, I encourage everyone to read it - it's just that funny. The only thing I'll point out is that many of the quotes attributed to me were quotes within my posts - xkcd messed all the nesting up. Although your a bit full of yourself Pyo in the first paragraph, I have to agree that his analysis of you is less than stellar and should be taken with a grain of salt. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
CjrNinja, page 46. I pared it down but you can go back and look: On June 09 2011 12:42 CjrNinja wrote: I think GGQ died for 3 reasons: a) Has been the only person to suspect Vain, which no one has picked up on (yet). b) Suspected iGrok, though wasn’t as vocal about it (before his ‘death posts’) c) Experienced player One point: KURUMI DOES NOT NEED AN EXPLANATION AND HE CAN DEFEND HIMSELF FINE. HE IS TOWNIE Either a. xkcd is claiming DT and that he checked Kurumi last night - after having spent most of yesterday mentioning why it wouldn't really be useful for a DT to check on him and the results shouldn't be trusted or b. xkcd has boundless faith in this guy and considers him exempt from scrutiny because... what? I really can't see any scenario two except for xkcd being mafia. | ||
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Aril
United States11 Posts
Okay, this is probably going to get me killed, because even if half of these are wrong then some mafia guys haven't been suspected will probably see themselves and say "Oh shoot we have to kill this guy." amazingxkcd Benjef CjrNinja freeloader625 heist impervious Jackal58 jimboo kairo Kurumi omgCRAZY Senj Sprungjeezy tdAdonis Treadmill vain This one is pretty weak.. I tried to put together a node-graph of all the people and events(accusations, mentions of other people, votes/unvotes, changing opinions) Which as you might guess q-t-i-n. (quickly-turned-into-nonsense) LoL, these are who I found to be most likely mafia, but especially this early... Yeah.. probably over 75% false positives. | ||
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CjrNinja
Australia223 Posts
On June 09 2011 13:22 Treadmill wrote: Something else:GGQ didn't post ANY suspicions of iGrok until literally 1 minute before the night post. So the notion that GGQ was killed to protect iGrok from his accusations is bogus. You are correct in that he didn't call out iGrok straight. But, using the power of hindsight, we can easily see that GGQ was definitely suspicious of him. On June 07 2011 13:27 GGQ wrote: Perhaps the best information that we can get out of this is to examine people's responses to Kurumi's pressure on lafali. I leave that as an exercise for the newbies for now  . Look at how people respond to lafali's post and who voted for lafali and who defended lafali. But don't just look at that; look also at why and how they defended him.The point was to lead you to Kurumi and iGrok above everyone else. iGrok defends lafali as probably newb town. He's the only one who defends lafali straight out No GGQ didn't call out iGrok specifically in that first quote. But iGrok knew GGQ was referring to him, as he was the only person who defended Lafali. Does that make sense? | ||
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CjrNinja
Australia223 Posts
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
On June 09 2011 14:28 Aril wrote: LoL I'm really not used to forum games... so many posts... I've played mafia a lot with people but never on a forum before V.v; Okay, this is probably going to get me killed, because even if half of these are wrong then some mafia guys haven't been suspected will probably see themselves and say "Oh shoot we have to kill this guy." amazingxkcd Benjef CjrNinja freeloader625 heist impervious Jackal58 jimboo kairo Kurumi omgCRAZY Senj Sprungjeezy tdAdonis Treadmill vain This one is pretty weak.. I tried to put together a node-graph of all the people and events(accusations, mentions of other people, votes/unvotes, changing opinions) Which as you might guess q-t-i-n. (quickly-turned-into-nonsense) LoL, these are who I found to be most likely mafia, but especially this early... Yeah.. probably over 75% false positives. I stayed quiet because I really have nothing to contribute. I think you should do the same. + Show Spoiler + No seriously, I thought I was bad at this game then you come and post this. No evidence. No quotes. No facts. No theory. No reasoning of any kind. This is just a list of names. On June 09 2011 14:28 Aril wrote:Yeah.. probably over 75% false positives. Hey Sherlock! This may be the only part of your post that makes any sense. Considering there are only SIX mafia left and you posted a list of SIXTEEN. I apologize! Its just that there is enough crap to read in this thread and someone posting pure nonsense isn't helping at all. (Then again neither am I.) Either you are as confused as I am or mafia just posting his mandatory 72h/post while lurking. I'd expect the former. | ||
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CjrNinja
Australia223 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On June 09 2011 14:34 CjrNinja wrote: You are correct in that he didn't call out iGrok straight. But, using the power of hindsight, we can easily see that GGQ was definitely suspicious of him. No GGQ didn't call out iGrok specifically in that first quote. But iGrok knew GGQ was referring to him, as he was the only person who defended Lafali. Does that make sense? Hrrrm. I missed that. I still think that everyone is reading a little too deeply into everything - I think that GGQ was killed cause the mafia read him as blue, nothing else. Also just cause GGQ got killed doesn't mean he was right. [what's kinda funny is that people are extrapolating what they want to think out of everything - iGrok is mafia because DeMorcerf was killed, and he was defending him' iGrok is mafia because GGQ was killed, and he was suspicious of him.] I'm gonna go to bed. See y'all in the morning. | ||
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
Try to remember, quality ≠ quantity. Look at Jackal, his post was very short, very concise, and swayed the whole town to kill Rookie. With just 2 posts, this and this, he managed to sway the whole town in just two hours. Today, the main two points have been against xkcd and iGrok. Although there is much evidence against both, iGrok has been much more constructive with his posts, whereas xkcd hasn't contributed much of anything. Much of his “analysis” was just lead up to bagging out Jackal. You don't need 30,000 words to explain that you think Jackal is GF. So for xkcd's lack of general helpfulness, the reasons that have already been stated numerous times, and giving me a headache, you get my vote ( Vote: amazingxkcd ). | ||
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
On June 09 2011 14:42 CjrNinja wrote: Also, The two quotes that arn't timestamped are obviously from the 'last minute' posts of GGQ, my bad. I can't tell if this is sarcasm? GGQ's last post + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote: GGQ's big post of epicness in case he dies tonight (which I've just realised I dont have enough time to make as long as I want Trust me that it's smart and good:No one undertook the exercise I set of looking at who defended and attacked lafali and why. I'm very disappointed, guys. You all get 0/2 on your homework for today. The veteran players are all going to be dead before this game is nearly over, and you guys need to practice working on how to actually find scum, not just accuse people based on neutral tells. Keep your heads up, don't get discouraged. Look at contradictions in talk and behavior. Look at people who are skating by with posts that just repeat previous content. These are the scummy players. The point was to lead you to Kurumi and iGrok above everyone else. Kurumi attacks lafali for his bandwagon vote bringing nothing new to the table on freeloader. There was absolutely no reason for him to throw scum on lafali so early in the game if he's mafia. Plus his aggressiveness and balls-out attitude are more inline with a green than anything else. Kurumi is most likely town. iGrok defends lafali as probably newb town. He's the only one who defends lafali straight out, but Vain, aprudds, monsterDrakar, and Senj also soft-defend him. I'm not saying they are all scum, but it's a great place to look for scum (dts take note! vigis save your shots). At this point in time I think iGrok is almost certainly the godfather of the mafia team (it could be jackal as well but his behavior doesn't fit the role as well, and seems more in line with the town play I've seen from him). iGrok defends lafali after Kurumi calls him out and votes for him, while before this accusation he posted that everyone who had voted so far ( which included lafali) should be under suspicion. Contradiction. iGrok has also been working to get into a town-leadership and thread-presence position all game, something the godfather always tries to do. iGrok also got way too defensive after being attacked and accused. Other suspicious people to me: Vain, partly for defending lafali, partly for advocating the lynch on freeloader for 'information' blehhhhh I already posted about that, and partly because iGrok listed him as a skilled vet with him, me and jackal when I think he's quite new and I havent seen anything particularly good from him. iGrok probably wanted another mafia on that list, though. Of course jimbooo whom I voted Day 1, for reasons already stated by multiple players. Others are monsterDrakar and Senj. xkcd has decreased on my scum meter lately but isn't totally clear. Meapak's post about killing GGQ + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2011 13:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: GGQ was out walking around thinking about the failed lynch. He’d been around the block a few times and was trying to get his thoughts in order for the next day. Suddenly he heard a noise in the bushes, two black figures slipped out. GGQ immediately knew what came next, he’d seen the results many times before. “So this is how it ends?” He asked. His only response was the sinister click of hammers being pulled back. “Well” sighed GGQ laconically, “I’m glad I was thought dangerous enough to kill so early.” Two silenced bullets were his only reply. Across town DeMorcerf was drinking at his favorite bar, it had been a long day and he was trying to drown out the thoughts of the failed lynch. Looking at the clock DeMorcerf realized it was getting late and decided to start back home. He got about four blocks from the bar when a black SUV with tinted windows drove up next to him. DeMorcerf sensed trouble and tried to throw himself into a culvert but he wasn’t quick enough. A quick burst of automatic fire sounded and DeMorcerf was left lying in a pool of his own blood. GGQ the Townie has been killed DeMorcerf the Townie has been killed It is now day 2! You have 48 hours to vote on a lynch The timestamps are indeed a minute apart. To give this context for anyone who missed it, On June 09 2011 13:22 Treadmill wrote: Something else: GGQ didn't post ANY suspicions of iGrok until literally 1 minute before the night post. So the notion that GGQ was killed to protect iGrok from his accusations is bogus. | ||
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
I read through 80% of it and what is strange to me is that he calls everyone that is under slight suspicion scum, additionally he says pyo and jackal are scum. But then, not a word on iGrok? Really? Why analyze the posting of most players but leave the most discussed about with nothing at all. Also, Drazerk and Jimboo, I am not forgetting about you. Say something or the streets around you will be painted crimson. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
__________________ i suggest to lynch igork first. if he was mafia we may lynch amazing afterwards. reason for that: igork is much more likely the GF than amazing. and if GF is gone, our DT checks will be 100% accurate and not completely useless as they are right now. | ||
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