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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 07 2011 06:01 Jackal58 wrote: We'll start with the post I linked: My analysis in red. This guy is scum. I think point about role fishing and avoiding getting caught is the strongest evidence we have brought yet. Pity I didn't search what lurkers did and focused on more active people  This all makes sense from scum perspective - apologize;make excuse to get less attention,then proceed to Your "real" thing. I worry though; he can be a DT. It looks like it is the most solid case thus far though.##Vote rookie44 | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On June 07 2011 06:16 Alderan wrote: Just pointing out that I think your analysis is just as weak or weaker than all the others. Let's see how he responds. You seem to be in a position to defend rookie44 when he has made quite a lot of scummy posts, particularly trying to take advantage of noobs to slip up their roles with What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way). Also, notices how already from the start of the game, he is asking for roles and wanted to lynch Treadmill without any sound proof besides making a suggestion about the freeloader wagon being loaded with mafias Would it be a legitimate stratagy if we lynched treadmill with the thought that he and some other mafia got overzealous with voting for freeloader? Here, he is making assumptions about what the mafia should do, which is trying to divert attention away from him. It seems like if someone got a role in the mafia then they would be more anxious to start the game, and would be much more active in the very beginning. This is a mafia game for less experienced players so maybe that means there will be some metagame mistakes? for these reasons and the ones given by jackal58 as well as kurumi, i am voting for Rookie44 on the basis of clear scummy post and trying to divert attention away from himself with circular logic ##Vote: Rookie44 also alderan, I am very suspicious of you for trying to defend this guy. Elaborate as to why you think he is not a scum. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
I didn't want to out him cause if I'm right I painted a big, fat target on his back. But there's all of a sudden a bandwagon building on him, and with how spread out our votes are the mafia will be able to easily swing a lynch. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On June 06 2011 23:55 Jackal58 wrote: I asked you a question based upon your assertion. Problem. Just remember DT's if you check the GF you will get a townie return. Yay! I do have internet on the cape. The mafia can frame a townie too, also there could be millers. In both situations a townie would return as scum. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 07 2011 06:43 Pyo wrote: Yay! I do have internet on the cape. The mafia can frame a townie too, also there could be millers. In both situations a townie would return as scum. There's no Framer in this setup. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
actually godfather can frame someone,my bad | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On June 07 2011 06:43 Treadmill wrote: Alternately rookie44 is blue. Let's see: trying not to be noticed, yeah. Mafia or blue. Interested in what blues have to say, well, OK. Not really blue fishing - more interested in talking about the strategy for what our blues should be doing. That's my read on rookie44, a newbie blue. I didn't want to out him cause if I'm right I painted a big, fat target on his back. But there's all of a sudden a bandwagon building on him, and with how spread out our votes are the mafia will be able to easily swing a lynch. Theres a difference between voting for rookie44 based upon clear and concise evidence rather than bandwagoning to him for the easy lynch. His actions are already been quite suspicious and i already have referenced him to guides that he can use. However, he continued to post as if he ignored those guides still asking about strategies concerning blue hunting and how to act. Theres only 3 votes on him right now, so freeloader is still having the most votes. Those 3 votes (mine included) gave concise explanations for why he is a scum, all of them referring to the role fishing notions set forth by rookie. If you think that he is a rookie blue, then why does he still keep trying to ask for roles and strategies when guides were linked to him? Lets see an analysis on this subject that he could be a rookie blue, because i do not see much evidence to support that. | ||
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Senj
United States193 Posts
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
On June 07 2011 06:34 amazingxkcd wrote: You seem to be in a position to defend rookie44 when he has made quite a lot of scummy posts, particularly trying to take advantage of noobs to slip up their roles with Also, notices how already from the start of the game, he is asking for roles and wanted to lynch Treadmill without any sound proof besides making a suggestion about the freeloader wagon being loaded with mafias Here, he is making assumptions about what the mafia should do, which is trying to divert attention away from him. for these reasons and the ones given by jackal58 as well as kurumi, i am voting for Rookie44 on the basis of clear scummy post and trying to divert attention away from himself with circular logic ##Vote: Rookie44 also alderan, I am very suspicious of you for trying to defend this guy. Elaborate as to why you think he is not a scum. By no means am I saying he's not scum, he could very well be scum. I just missed the "blue fishing" read that Jackal seemed to get and needed clarification. It seems to be weak (your analysis built a better case though), but then again it's day 1 everything is weak. I still plan on waiting for a response from Rookie before I change my vote to anyone. | ||
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rookie44
12 Posts
I was not trying to hunt for blue roles, as i said in the post i was looking for a general stratagy we could use, some sort of system. I felt and feel that the current discussion was based entirely on who we are going to vote on tonight, and i thought it would be best to have some idea of what we can do in the mid and long term aswell. I have read the readings that were suggested at the start of the thread, and i again looked through them when they were suggested by xkcd, and they seemed to be just tips and tells (although to be fair i didnt get to explore the wiki on it that much). Seems kinda funny that this is all happening just hours away the lynching when i made that post almost a day ago. I stand by what i said and still support having some kind of stratagy going into the latter stages. | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
On June 07 2011 07:10 rookie44 wrote: Sorry for the delayed response, i have been checking the thread regularly but not regularly enough i guess. I was not trying to hunt for blue roles, as i said in the post i was looking for a general stratagy we could use, some sort of system. I felt and feel that the current discussion was based entirely on who we are going to vote on tonight, and i thought it would be best to have some idea of what we can do in the mid and long term aswell. I have read the readings that were suggested at the start of the thread, and i again looked through them when they were suggested by xkcd, and they seemed to be just tips and tells (although to be fair i didnt get to explore the wiki on it that much). Seems kinda funny that this is all happening just hours away the lynching when i made that post almost a day ago. I stand by what i said and still support having some kind of stratagy going into the latter stages. Rookie who do you suggest we vote for then and why? You have contributed nothing to the town up to this point and you are going to get lynched unless you do. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:27 iGrok wrote: Whats your opinion of me? curious Isn't this a scummy post? Why should any townie care about what others think of themselves? I initially voted for him because I thought he was being a self important douche in a newbie mafia game and a vote for someone I didn't like was just as arbitrary as voting for anyone else. But now I'm starting to think he might actually be scum. He's "experienced," so he should know how to hide as a town, right? And I feel like he is being overly careful to make sure he comes off as being town (analysis posts etc). Additionally, he got quite defensive when he was randomly accused by gtrsrs and even more so when I arbitrarily jumped in. As for Kurumi, my initial impression still stands. He is a chaotic poster. This on paper is a very good strategy if you want to avoid being mafia killed as having a lot of suspicion on you is good for mafia. And with roleblocker/GF powers he's generally a good person to keep around for mafia. Last game he did the same thing and was actually a townie, however he got lynched day 1 for posting like he has been. I think he's probably a townie, but quite frankly, a useless one. I'm not going to advocate voting for him, but if he goes I don't think he'll be missed Senj appears to be lurking. 4 posts so far, so he's quite easy to analyze really. first post defending freeloaderfirst post he defends freeloader second post defending igrok shifting blame to people accusing freeloader bandwagoning against rookie (actually voting this time) If either freeloader or rookie get lynched/killed I think we will know whether senj is scum or not. | ||
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Vain
Netherlands1115 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 04:22 rookie44 wrote: Hey guys, This is all getting a bit out of hand, we seem to already be getting in each others faces over perceived (and real) sleights. I have only played mafia on battle.net, and this is going to be quite a different game to that. What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way). Maybe some of the more experienced players could expand on what investigative stratagies they have used; their pitfalls, and how we may evade those pitfalls. Perhaps an added benifit will be that it will be very tricky for a mafia to come up with a generalized stratagy that is grounded in reason, so maybe there will be some suspiciously quiet people. (I assume it will be difficult for a generalized stratagy becasue i can only see the mafia being able to take advantage of a specific stratagy by getting their peolpe in the right places). So i assume you all read jackal's analysis about this post. While you could explain it the way jackal did it could also just be genuinely be asking for help. 1st part: Stating he is new. While this is a bit scummy i have seen 3-4? players in the thread stating exactly the same 2nd part: Stating that we should have a plan. Having some sort of strategy is always nice if its not the mafia coming up with it. 3rd part: I don't even know what he is meaning by this. What pitfalls? I don't believe he's so retarded to ask for scum help while the help for scum and town is linked in the 3rd post. and the last: Spam? + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2011 19:32 rookie44 wrote: Guys this is already so exciting! glhf! Would it be a legitimate stratagy if we lynched treadmill with the thought that he and some other mafia got overzealous with voting for freeloader? It seems like if someone got a role in the mafia then they would be more anxious to start the game, and would be much more active in the very beginning. This is a mafia game for less experienced players so maybe that means there will be some metagame mistakes? So here we have six lines of spam and no real conclusions. A somewhat indifferent question and alot of assumptions. Also i'm happy for him chill doesn't read this forum + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 19:47 rookie44 wrote: iGrok gives a detailed analysis of a player (the most detailed post so far) and suddenly has two players getting into his face, neither of which engage with the analysis or provide their own. So I am seeing this a more defensive position from them. If we agree that kurumi is suspicious then they are defending him. Perhaps after the analysis was shown then kunami reached out to his mafia buddies and asked them to help. (note kunami has not defended himself - which is odd for such a previously active player (real world job maybe)) Its kinda silly but if we had to vote now gtrsrs would get my vote, for a little of the reasons above and also becasue in his posts he always talks about, x misleading town, and never x is misleading us. If he is town then he is continually refering to himself in the third person, which is quite an unnatural thing to do. Pyo is funny becasue he initially voted for kurumi and then switched his vote to aprudds. That could be analysed either as a town move or a mafia move, and just considering the switched vote is tricky. More spam the first lines, But now he names someone to lynch. He doesn't give an elaborate explanation why though. last line doesn't really add anything. He is saying hey guys something happened but we can't draw conclusion Conclusion: He's a very spammy player with no real conclusions and arguments. It is very clear that he is new to the game but i don't really buy he's that much scummier than the other new players here. It was true that he was asking for information but proposing that we should have a strategy doesn't really ring a scum bell for me. | ||
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Vain
Netherlands1115 Posts
On June 07 2011 07:29 Pyo wrote: Isn't this a scummy post? Why should any townie care about what others think of themselves? I initially voted for him because I thought he was being a self important douche in a newbie mafia game and a vote for someone I didn't like was just as arbitrary as voting for anyone else. But now I'm starting to think he might actually be scum. He's "experienced," so he should know how to hide as a town, right? And I feel like he is being overly careful to make sure he comes off as being town (analysis posts etc). Additionally, he got quite defensive when he was randomly accused by gtrsrs and even more so when I arbitrarily jumped in. As for Kurumi, my initial impression still stands. He is a chaotic poster. This on paper is a very good strategy if you want to avoid being mafia killed as having a lot of suspicion on you is good for mafia. And with roleblocker/GF powers he's generally a good person to keep around for mafia. Last game he did the same thing and was actually a townie, however he got lynched day 1 for posting like he has been. I think he's probably a townie, but quite frankly, a useless one. I'm not going to advocate voting for him, but if he goes I don't think he'll be missed Senj appears to be lurking. 4 posts so far, so he's quite easy to analyze really. first post defending freeloaderfirst post he defends freeloader second post defending igrok shifting blame to people accusing freeloader bandwagoning against rookie (actually voting this time) If either freeloader or rookie get lynched/killed I think we will know whether senj is scum or not. I feel the same about iGrok but i don't think that very matters right now. We need more time to figure that out and if he is town it would be very bad to lose him right the first day. If Kurumi is town the way he is playing is really not the best for a town. We want detailed analysis of maybe one player at a time. What we don't want is someone accusing everyone in the game just for the hell of it. But his posting history speaks for itself and thus his posting now is nothing out of the ordinary. I played a few games before with senj but he was modkilled for inactivity. Jeah, the same thing he's doing now | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
1. He wanted to know whether there are strategies, more experienced players usually use in former games. That doesn't mean he's mafia just because he wants to know the strategy. Anyone needs these informations. blues needs it, to know who to check/heal; mafia needs it to know who to frame/kill and the greens have to know the strategy to lynch correctly... So I think this doesn't mean anything 2. He has been quiet since this post. Well, some of us just don't have the time to be active in this thread 24/7. I spend my whole day in university learning taxlaw. That doesn't make anyone suspicious. I heard every possible argument against and in favor already for anyone in here. If someone posts and analyses much he's suspicious, because he tries to be a good townie - on the other hand if someone is really quiet he's suspicious because he is no good townie... If someone votes aggressively against someone, he's suspicious because he wants to kill - if he doesn't vote he's suspicious because he doesn't want anyone to get lynched. Moreover we got reds and blues, both don't want their roles to be known, so everyone pretends to be a green townie... It's a mess... I just want to say, that we have to be careful with soft-points like activity etc. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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CjrNinja
Australia223 Posts
Hurry up and respond to Alderan's question. Do you still advocate voting for gtrsrs? If so, give us a proper explanation as to why. Saying 'for the reasons above' and 'refering to himself in third person' isn't good enough. If you're not going to vote gtrsrs, then who? And why? Will re-read the thread again to try and get a handle on what's happened the last few hours. Voting closes in 5 hours, right? | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On June 07 2011 08:14 CjrNinja wrote: @rookie44 Hurry up and respond to Alderan's question. Do you still advocate voting for gtrsrs? If so, give us a proper explanation as to why. Saying 'for the reasons above' and 'refering to himself in third person' isn't good enough. If you're not going to vote gtrsrs, then who? And why? Will re-read the thread again to try and get a handle on what's happened the last few hours. Voting closes in 5 hours, right? As of now, yes | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
Rookie: 5 Freeloader: 4 Treadmill: 2 Drazerk: 2 jimbooo:2 igrok: 2 monsterdrakar: 2 gtrsrs: 2 amazingxkcd: 1 Kurumi: 1 TheAwesomeAll: 1 Can the people who voted monsterDrakar and Drazerk explain themselves? | ||
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