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On June 07 2011 03:40 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 03:34 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 03:28 gtrsrs wrote:
iGrok did a 28000 character analysis and determined that kurumi was scum, and less than a day later, before he even had time to convince anyone to vote for kurumi, iGrok now has kurumi on his "don't lynch" list.
duly noted Because, as I noted in that post, I wasn't sure. Combined with Jackal's testimony and Kurumi's abrubt change in play, I'd prefer a DT check on him. You know, exactly what I said in that post Hmm. As amazingxkcd has already noted, a DT check wouldn't reveal much about Kurumi. If Kurumi were mafia, he certainly would be selected as the godfather given that the mafia select amongst themselves on night one who the godfather is. Therefore, regardless of whether he is or isn't mafia, we still will have no clue on Day 2 as to his alignment because he could have been town-aligned to begin with, or switched to town-aligned through his godfather powers.
Usually the GF has to be chosen by the end of D1. I would be shocked if Kurumi was chosen as GF, because a GF would NOT risk being lynched D1 - thats just crazy.
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Can we get an updated vote count please? It is now T-9 hours until We need to have a lynch.
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On June 07 2011 03:52 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 03:40 TranceStorm wrote:On June 07 2011 03:34 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 03:28 gtrsrs wrote:
iGrok did a 28000 character analysis and determined that kurumi was scum, and less than a day later, before he even had time to convince anyone to vote for kurumi, iGrok now has kurumi on his "don't lynch" list.
duly noted Because, as I noted in that post, I wasn't sure. Combined with Jackal's testimony and Kurumi's abrubt change in play, I'd prefer a DT check on him. You know, exactly what I said in that post Hmm. As amazingxkcd has already noted, a DT check wouldn't reveal much about Kurumi. If Kurumi were mafia, he certainly would be selected as the godfather given that the mafia select amongst themselves on night one who the godfather is. Therefore, regardless of whether he is or isn't mafia, we still will have no clue on Day 2 as to his alignment because he could have been town-aligned to begin with, or switched to town-aligned through his godfather powers. Usually the GF has to be chosen by the end of D1. I would be shocked if Kurumi was chosen as GF, because a GF would NOT risk being lynched D1 - thats just crazy.
That is why i stated if kurumi was chosen as gf already, he's trying to mindfuck with us. He already started day 1 with a bunch of controversial rants, so it more so than not likely he'll continue.
Either mafia already chosen their gf if kurumi is mafia or he is playing a strange gamble here.
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On June 07 2011 03:52 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 03:40 TranceStorm wrote:On June 07 2011 03:34 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 03:28 gtrsrs wrote:
iGrok did a 28000 character analysis and determined that kurumi was scum, and less than a day later, before he even had time to convince anyone to vote for kurumi, iGrok now has kurumi on his "don't lynch" list.
duly noted Because, as I noted in that post, I wasn't sure. Combined with Jackal's testimony and Kurumi's abrubt change in play, I'd prefer a DT check on him. You know, exactly what I said in that post Hmm. As amazingxkcd has already noted, a DT check wouldn't reveal much about Kurumi. If Kurumi were mafia, he certainly would be selected as the godfather given that the mafia select amongst themselves on night one who the godfather is. Therefore, regardless of whether he is or isn't mafia, we still will have no clue on Day 2 as to his alignment because he could have been town-aligned to begin with, or switched to town-aligned through his godfather powers. Usually the GF has to be chosen by the end of D1. I would be shocked if Kurumi was chosen as GF, because a GF would NOT risk being lynched D1 - thats just crazy.
According to the rules page, the godfather is selected on night one meaning that the selection of the godfather will be influenced by this day's discussion. And yes it would be pretty crazy to select Kurumi as GF, but the godfather is always a more experienced and active member of the thread and given that we don't see too much of that from anyone.
Surprisingly though, Kurumi's response to my post makes me believe that him becoming GF (if he is mafia of course) is not likely to happen. Any thoughts?
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On June 07 2011 04:00 TranceStorm wrote:Furthermore, everyone seems to have glided right past my analysis of Jimbooo and seems to have ignored it completely. I'll link to it again here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=17#330What do you guys think about Jimbooo considering now that he has turned around from actively participating to avoiding the thread after being called out?
Remember this is a newbie game, so they seem suspicious but that analysis does raise some questions about him.
However, what are your thoughts on the other suspects in the current debacle?
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On June 06 2011 10:32 iGrok wrote:Mod Check Please
I didn't catch it in time to see the original. I think flamewheel can see this sort of thing so I'll ask him. Because this is a noobies game I'll let you go with just a warning but the next time ANYONE does this they die, no exceptions. You've been warned
Benjef has been modkilled for editing this post, he will be replaced by impervious. Say hello to impervious everyone.
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Well hello Impervious. It'll be a pleasure hunting scum with you.
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On June 06 2011 17:43 Drazerk wrote:
Ok yesterday i was quite busy and made my vote without explaining i read freeloaders post and it came to me as quite a large failure on his half although and bought into treadmills words who was pretty much slating him at this point for it who in turn im now suspecting after reading everything again
Ill follow this up later just wanted to post my thoughts at the moment
On June 07 2011 03:08 iGrok wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 02:56 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 02:53 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:43 Vain wrote:On June 07 2011 02:31 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:11 Vain wrote:
Ok, i finally finished reading. Man, sleeping is bad for keeping up with a mafia game.
First off: Kurumi is probably town if he also spammed this much in a previous game where he was scum. I don't know his style very good but he is drawing way too much attention to be a comfortable mafia.
I don't quite understand this. So Kurumi is probably town because he's acting the same way he did when he was mafia before? Euh, i meant town. Jackal stated that when he was town he's just as hard to analyze. Iirc he was not scum the other games Jackal played with him. + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:15 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 06 2011 10:47 Alderan wrote:Here's a list of a couple people who seem to be acting a little scummy. (Not saying for sure scum, just people that might not be) Lets get some meaningful conversation going. AmazingxkcdI've already kind of voiced this opinion but I'm going to expound upon my earlier analysis. Let's look at his posts.
It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it
This post, obviously vague, of little help to the town, and posted directly after he appeared on TheAwesomeAll's “Lurker List”. When I pointed out this was a fishy post he responded with this:
interesting first post there, all ready trying to set up accustation upon me for supposedly making a scummy post when in reality i am only simply making observation. You already got into my list of suspicious people by derailing a innocent first post when we still have around 30+ hours left to figure out each other.
Obviously immediately went on the defensive, turned and pointed a finger at me, and suggest that the town take its time “figuring each other out” instead of having discussion that is inherently pro-town. In fact his only “contribution” to town discussion was this post:
Please refer to these guides on playing TL mafia.
For town: aidnai, GMarshal
For mafia: bumatlarge, chaos13
LSB's Newbie Guide
Mafiascum Newbie Guide
Introduction to Mafia (Flash)
Ver's town guide
Ace's Mafia Manifesto
Qatol's Town Guide
So his only contribution to the town is copying and pasting something that is in the third post of this thread? Interesting. On June 06 2011 23:10 Alderan wrote:
Also, I'm going to ahead and voting for amazingxkcd, just in case something happens to me at work today and I won't be able to get a vote in.
@ amazingkcd, I'm really just waiting on you to refute the analysis I did earlier.
You are discriminating against me and you just voted for me right now just off the basis of my first post, which i made after i finished watching MLG. You do not provide evidence that i am a scum nor do you back it up should you have given any evidence. It seems that you want me to be lynched when i am trying to win for the town. @iGrok and @Jackal58; I can't analyze Kurumi either, since i take that he's acting as if he has multiple personalities disorder. He should be watched for sure. Also, @Jackal58, you stated that he had the same behavior in the previous games you played with him, what were his roles? That should at least help to give us a direction on him. I am not trying to label you two as complete scum, but i was just concerned about iGrok's request for help from Jackal58. About freeloader, I am currently leaning towards the scummy side as for the reasons others have put up front already, but i need more time to see if i do want to lynch him. There are others here who seem suspicious based on their posts and the tone of their post, but i am not ready right now to make a final desicion. Kurumi was town in XXXIX. Lynched day one for posting nonsensically for the first half of the day. He has improved significantly from that game believe it or not. He is also still playing in PTP mafia and is a self proclaimed SK. Ok, yeah that makes a lot more sense. Yeah, I'm starting to see how Kurumi could be a townie, but I could also see him as a scum who felt the pressure and is trying to change his tune. I still don't thing he should be lynched today. I'm trying to think of who should be, but I really don't know :/ But you agree that it shouldn't be freeloader? Yeah. Here's my "Don't Lynch" list (in no particular order): Me ^^ Jackal58 Vain GGQ Kurumi Treadmill 35spike1 CrJninja Xedat aprudds Actually, looking back, I'm going to put my vote on Drazerk, for twice voting without saying shit. (He might've posted once or twice, but absolutely no substance, only bandwagonning).
He posted once when he made his unvote on freeloader before he voted for treadmill.
I agree and am doing the same. He claims to be very busy, but I don't believe him, he's had over 1000 posts and been online throughout this whole Day 1 -- trying to pass us by without a word.
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Hello impervious!!
Also,
does impervious have the same role as benjef?
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Impervious???? Bah. Obviouscum.
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On June 07 2011 04:16 amazingxkcd wrote:
Hello impervious!!
Also,
does impervious have the same role as benjef?
Yes he will.
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On June 07 2011 04:05 amazingxkcd wrote:Remember this is a newbie game, so they seem suspicious but that analysis does raise some questions about him. However, what are your thoughts on the other suspects in the current debacle?
As to the whole Kurumi situation - I am totally undecided. The erratic nature of his posts makes me want to reserve judgment until further turns. I do, however, agree with his assessment that gtrsrs is an overzealous townie. Unless a user has a history of being aggressive, tunneling onto a more active player at the beginning of the game generally indicates more town-aligned play considering that mafia members want to 'play the field' and hide among the popular consent.
Saying that, I don't think his arguments against iGrok are very strong at the moment. Judging by his initial attack on iGrok:
On June 06 2011 16:04 gtrsrs wrote:
here is my scum hunt
you post haiku's in a game where posting anything more than necessary is distracting and derailing
you try to find the town's blues so that the mafia can know what they're up against
the one thing that the town has as an advantage is that the mafia doesn't know our PRs and here you are spelling the info out for them
even if you're not mafia, your two biggest contributions so far are anti-town
everyone i encourage you to ##vote: iGrok and watch how he (and others) react as the votes pile up. putting the pressure on someone is a good way to find mafia. watch the people that come to defend him and how they do so and then when he flips red, go after them next
i.e. the accusations are that (1) iGrok has been distracting (which has not been true in my opinion especially as day 1 has continued) and that (2) he guessed how many of each role there would be. But if that were true, why would he post that in the general thread, couldn't he just post that in private communication with the other mafia members? This doesn't mean that iGrok is or isn't mafia, but just indicates that gtrsrs' arguments do not have much weight.
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On June 07 2011 04:16 amazingxkcd wrote:
Hello impervious!!
Also,
does impervious have the same role as benjef?
Yes he does
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On June 07 2011 04:16 Jackal58 wrote:
Impervious???? Bah. Obviouscum.
Or it could mean that he's a veteran :o).
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GUYS GUYS
We need to get a proper lynch moving. I think we should discard gtrsrs and freeloader.(They will slip if they're mafia) We're really undecided who to lynch. There has been no real case against anybody and I'd rather stay with my Treadmill vote. The bad part about Treadmill's lynch is the fact I am kind of pushing for it and You don't want to listen to me (despite two people I believe) I strongly suggest moving votes from freeloader. His lynch will give us nothing.
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On June 07 2011 04:20 TranceStorm wrote:Or it could mean that he's a veteran :o).
He's a good player. Until I start calling him Insaneous and then he melts down and confesses his transgressions. I'm happy to see him in the game. I like playing with him.
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On June 07 2011 04:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I didn't catch it in time to see the original. I think flamewheel can see this sort of thing so I'll ask him. Because this is a noobies game I'll let you go with just a warning but the next time ANYONE does this they die, no exceptions. You've been warnedBenjef has been modkilled for editing this post, he will be replaced by impervious. Say hello to impervious everyone.
GG, you give a warning then modkill me for a post before the warning that if anyone else does it? Thats just unfair...
Ah well GL and hf all.
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On June 07 2011 04:24 Benjef wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 04:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 06 2011 10:32 iGrok wrote:Mod Check Please I didn't catch it in time to see the original. I think flamewheel can see this sort of thing so I'll ask him. Because this is a noobies game I'll let you go with just a warning but the next time ANYONE does this they die, no exceptions. You've been warnedBenjef has been modkilled for editing this post, he will be replaced by impervious. Say hello to impervious everyone. GG, you give a warning then modkill me for a post before the warning that if anyone else does it? Thats just unfair... Ah well GL and hf all.
The warning he included there is from earlier in the thread where someone else edited and Meapak said that it was the final warning that the whole thread would receive.
EDIT: If you really think its terribly unfair I suggest you take it to PM's with Meapak
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On June 07 2011 04:21 Kurumi wrote:
GUYS GUYS
We need to get a proper lynch moving. I think we should discard gtrsrs and freeloader.(They will slip if they're mafia) We're really undecided who to lynch. There has been no real case against anybody and I'd rather stay with my Treadmill vote. The bad part about Treadmill's lynch is the fact I am kind of pushing for it and You don't want to listen to me (despite two people I believe) I strongly suggest moving votes from freeloader. His lynch will give us nothing.
I see a couple of problems with the Treadmill vote. Quoting from your initial accusation of Treadmill:
On June 07 2011 00:36 Kurumi wrote:So let's compare CrjNinja's thoughts here and Treadmill's hereThe thing that is seen from the very beginning is that Treadmill's post lacks colours,while Crjninja takes stance about some people and calls them town or scum. Treadmill's expressions about people are really vague: He thinks that Jimboo is unexperienced,that's all
He does not understand cherubael's case,but does nothing to defend/talk about it at all.
He looks like he has strong believing on grush57,but does make any move to prove us that he indeed slipped Mafia.
Are we going to lynch someone on day 1 on the basis that their posts are vague? Considering that this is day 1, nearly all posts would be vague in that sense since we have little information to base any accusations off of. Treadmill has been a bit wishy-washy as you say as well, but he has stuck to the freeloader vote (however, misguided that may be) meaning that he is not afraid to put himself in the line of fire (which a mafia would want to do). At the very least, he is contributing more which means that we can analyze his later posts - any drop off in activity during a period of pressure would be highly suspicious.
I think that Jimbooo is a better candidate for the lynch at the moment given his complete reversal. He is even more 'vague' as you say in his posts and reverses his decision at the first moment of opposition indicating his desire to please. Furthermore, since he hasn't responded to any of my accusations yet has been on TL, hes intentionally avoiding this thread for a reason.
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