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Hmm tranceStorm makes a good point indeed, his last post was 5 june and he made another post in the general forum
On June 06 2011 19:58 Jimbooo wrote:
oh my god , 15 second ban from interview ROFL!
6 june, which could mean he is dodging. He is flip flopping a LOT as you pointed out, and he basicly started the whole freeloader thing and as it looks right now he FL is getting lynched. If FL turns out to be scum we can be sure he Jimbooo is town.
Drazerk is another strong case, but i would feel way too bad if he turns out to be town. Also monster will go crazy if i say Drazerk is lurking. (still love you monster <3)
I think amazingxkcd just made a terrible first post, which is to be expected with a new player oriented game.
Also i think Pyo has made some very untown like posts
On June 06 2011 19:20 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 18:30 iGrok wrote:
And don't call me Haiku boy again.
Just curious, why do you find me annoying? Aside from the haikus, which I stopped when I realized some people don't appreciate having a little fun. Well haiku girl, In no particular order: 1. Your haikus 2. Your heroic let me break down the game for you all post, which is clearly an attempt to make it seem like you know what you're doing, yet you still did #1, revealing that you're just a self-important douche (note that gtrsrs interprets this as you being scum) 3. Your passive-aggressiveness ("don't call me Haiku boy again") 4. Your not-so-passive aggressiveness (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=10#187) 5. You like to think that you are a pro chastising others for not reading the thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=12#232), but haven't even read the rules yourself (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=10#196) 6. Red hurts my eyes (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=18#342) 7. "For science" - Athene is a douche, and so are you for quoting him (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=19#365) 8. Your triangle picture. 9. And then there's your whole exchange with gtrsrs, which needs no real explanation I suppose that there might be a little overlap in that list. I don't really know whether you're scum or not, but as I said in a previous post I'm picking one of a random bickering between two players (you and gtrsrs) and he's a lot less grating and - for now at least - appears more emotionally stable (less likely to give a tell after prodding). I'll leave it everyone else to judge your response to a more pressure/attention on you.
seemingly just to insult iGrok. But this is not necessarily scum but its kida weird though.
He hasnt been defending himself against solid arguments while he had the chance,
therefore i think
##vote:jimbooo
is the most scummy person.
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Just a point
I just woke up, and am reading the thread (that explains my recent inactivity).
I'm reading the thread and will have something to post once I'm done.
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I'm pretty sure gtsrs is scum. He is keep accusing people with little info and keep saying he will risk his life, even though he would be scrambling to save himself if he was up to be lynched.
Therefore, I vote gtsrs.
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My vote is torn between Jimbooo and Drazerk right now.
Drazerk has voted twice following the current popular opinion without much explanation other than band-wagoning on the Freeloader vote.
As for Jimbooo, TranceStorm brought up some very valid points against him. Definitely a suspicious character. Gonna need to hear from you presently Jimbooo or it isn't looking too good for you.
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Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point.
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Sup guys!
I'm just heading out to do something, I'll catch up on everything a bit later tonight.
Cheers!
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On June 07 2011 05:16 Jimbooo wrote:
Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point.
Ok, just answer a couple of questions.
(1) What convinced you that freeloader was not a mafia after you had voted for him? Was it the defending that other people had done for him?
(2) Why didn't you respond to my initial analysis of you when you had clearly posted in other threads?
(3) Sort of related to (2), but why has your activity dropped off substantially from your initially bright start?
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On June 07 2011 05:25 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 05:16 Jimbooo wrote:
Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Ok, just answer a couple of questions. (1) What convinced you that freeloader was not a mafia after you had voted for him? Was it the defending that other people had done for him? (2) Why didn't you respond to my initial analysis of you when you had clearly posted in other threads? (3) Sort of related to (2), but why has your activity dropped off substantially from your initially bright start?
1.other people defending him , and realizing that this is a newbie game and people probably are just curios of the rules.
2.Like I said , i really didnt know how to respond..
3. I kinda forgot to post in this thread for a day , I had to do alot of things and I got very behind , so I had to catch up reading the thread.
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On June 07 2011 05:28 Jimbooo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 05:25 TranceStorm wrote:On June 07 2011 05:16 Jimbooo wrote:
Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Ok, just answer a couple of questions. (1) What convinced you that freeloader was not a mafia after you had voted for him? Was it the defending that other people had done for him? (2) Why didn't you respond to my initial analysis of you when you had clearly posted in other threads? (3) Sort of related to (2), but why has your activity dropped off substantially from your initially bright start? 1.other people defending him , and realizing that this is a newbie game and people probably are just curios of the rules. 2.Like I said , i really didnt know how to respond.. 3. I kinda forgot to post in this thread for a day , I had to do alot of things and I got very behind , so I had to catch up reading the thread.
On June 07 2011 05:16 Jimbooo wrote:
Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point.
you still didnt respond.
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You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408
Has played before so he has an idea how it works.
Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues.
Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum.
Wants us to share them with everybody.
Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite.
Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am.
That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same.
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It seems like a lot of our votes are getting split into multiple people.
First of all, I want to strongly advise everyone who voted for freeloader to strongly reconsider their vote. If freeloader was taken out of the equation who would you vote for? why? There are been enough posts that warrant much more suspicious behavior than freeloader's question. I think it's been an easy mafia move to just bandwagon freeloader, feel safe in the numbers, and be able to provide an easy explanation.
I'd also think it would be highly prudent if we went into this lynch with some sort of collective strategy. On day 1 there are really only two justifications for a lynch that i can see:
1. Everything related to freeloader (those who voted for him so quickly, those that changed their mind, those that provided a weak/suspicious defense when questioned, and to a MINISCULE degree freeloader himself). Most likely, if we killed everyone who voted for him, perhaps we get one or two mafia members. But right now it seems like the majority of the votes are simply rushing townies (please reconsider). However, pressuring these people into responding may come up with incongruities, anti-town suspicions and actions, and perhaps a reliable person to accuse.
2. The second way to approach the lynch is target the lurkers, the ones with very weak justifications for votes, and those that are overtly defensive when questioned without providing any real defense to allegations. Those that touch base, have a 1 liner quip, and then depart.
These have are some people that are very suspicious to me in that regard:
Grush57
Supersoft
Lafali
amazingxkcd
gtrsrs (to a lesser extent)
Everyone should really reevaluate who they voted for. If the primary reason is aggression, that's simply not enough to go by on. Aggression right now whether it be personal or otherwise can be construed as both town and mafia and is high unreliable differentiating mafia from town.
Also, personal annoyances are the LEAST effective means to go by on. Please don't vote like that.
I'm curious as to which you deem more effective, the one we should be pursuing because too much chatter has been focused on the first while the second approach (the one i deem with a larger mafia pool) to be less examined.
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You guys are all voting for noobs making noob posts. Vote for scum not dumb.
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On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote:You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same.
Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation.
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On June 07 2011 05:47 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote:You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation.
Wait so you're saying instead of voting for new players being dumb you suggest us to vote for a player who has never played before on the forums (admittedly so) for suggesting that veteran players toss out potential strategies?
Sure it's a LITTLE scummy, but until I see some elaboration on your "very subtle in fishing for blues" I'm going to have to disagree with you.
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EBWOP
Obviously in response to Jackal.
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On June 07 2011 05:47 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote:You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation.
We'll start with the post I linked:
On June 06 2011 04:22 rookie44 wrote:
Hey guys,
This is all getting a bit out of hand, we seem to already be getting in each others faces over perceived (and real) sleights. I have only played mafia on battle.net, and this is going to be quite a different game to that.
Only real difference is timing. Tactics are the same
What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way).
This is role fishing. He's wanting people to post their roles and tell him how they intend to use them. At the very least he's hoping a noob would post something along the lines of I'm a DT. Who should I check
Maybe some of the more experienced players could expand on what investigative stratagies they have used; their pitfalls, and how we may evade those pitfalls.
This is saying "I am scum. How are you guys going to catch me? It's called a scum slip
Perhaps an added benifit will be that it will be very tricky for a mafia to come up with a generalized stratagy that is grounded in reason, so maybe there will be some suspiciously quiet people. (I assume it will be difficult for a generalized stratagy becasue i can only see the mafia being able to take advantage of a specific stratagy by getting their peolpe in the right places).
This is just bullshit trying to provide a townie reason for asking.
My analysis in red.
This guy is scum.
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On June 07 2011 05:56 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 05:47 TranceStorm wrote:On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote:You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation. Wait so you're saying instead of voting for new players being dumb you suggest us to vote for a player who has never played before on the forums (admittedly so) for suggesting that veteran players toss out potential strategies? Sure it's a LITTLE scummy, but until I see some elaboration on your "very subtle in fishing for blues" I'm going to have to disagree with you.
You his scum buddy?
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Firstly, there's something for me to quote from Ver's analysis of Mafia XXX:
Now, what if by some miracle, Youngminii was lynched and flipped green, or worse, vigilante? What would that have said about Foolishness? Think hard and carefully here, because this is a logic issue that really has plagued the town in so many TL games, especially this one. At its core is the question: what does "lynching for information" actually mean?
The lynch outcome alone would have said nothing about Foolishness! If Foolishness is veteran, how does he have any definite knowledge of what Youngminii is? He doesn't, therefore he can only do his best and try to figure out YM's role from the tools he has. That in itself does not distinguish him from Godfather Foolishness one bit. The key distinction between the two is to look at how he got Youngminii lynched and his overall play, not that he got Youngminii lynched. The latter fact, while not entirely irrelevant, is nowhere near sufficient enough on its own to warrant a lynch (and everyone knows if YM had popped up vigi Foolishness would've been autokilled the next day).
Thus it would be nonsensical to lynch YM because you think it will give the most information (the information is next to useless). The only reason to lynch YM, or virtually anyone ever, is to kill mafia. That's it.
There's a lot of wrong-headed thinking going around this game and I want to try and address some of it.
A. as the quote above says, if Mr X accuses Mr Y and Mr Y is lynched and flips town, it doesn't say anything about Mr X. He could be mafia, or he could've made an honest mistake and be town.
B. related to [A], look at the content of people's arguments, not just who they're accusing! If someone accuses someone else with a decent explanation, than even if you disagree with his arguments he probably isn't mafia. It's more suspicious if the reasoning is crappy, though even then you may have misunderstood the reasons or the accuser may be a newbie or a moron.
C. if someone changes their mind, they could be mafia. Or they could've just changed their mind. Again, read their posts. Look for their reasoning - and it could make sense to the poster even if it doesn't to you.
People need to start reading posts more, and listening to peoples arguments rather than making their own (I'm as guilty as anyone on that). The town loses if we're all paranoid and flaming each other.
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On June 07 2011 06:03 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 05:56 Alderan wrote:On June 07 2011 05:47 TranceStorm wrote:On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote:You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation. Wait so you're saying instead of voting for new players being dumb you suggest us to vote for a player who has never played before on the forums (admittedly so) for suggesting that veteran players toss out potential strategies? Sure it's a LITTLE scummy, but until I see some elaboration on your "very subtle in fishing for blues" I'm going to have to disagree with you. You his scum buddy?
Oh god dammit Jackal, don't even start there. Don't accuse someone of being scum just because he disagrees with you. I do too, for that matter. Until we hear more from rookie44, see how (and when) he votes, there really isn't enough to say (well, imo).
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On June 07 2011 06:03 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 05:56 Alderan wrote:On June 07 2011 05:47 TranceStorm wrote:On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote:You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation. Wait so you're saying instead of voting for new players being dumb you suggest us to vote for a player who has never played before on the forums (admittedly so) for suggesting that veteran players toss out potential strategies? Sure it's a LITTLE scummy, but until I see some elaboration on your "very subtle in fishing for blues" I'm going to have to disagree with you. You his scum buddy?
Just pointing out that I think your analysis is just as weak or weaker than all the others. Let's see how he responds.
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