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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On June 07 2011 06:28 Kurumi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:29 Senj wrote: ##vote: Rookie44 [B]On June 07 2011 06:31 amazingxkcd wrote: ##VOTE: Rookie44 Look at the time stamps, within 3 minutes of each other. And none of them posted for 2 hours previous to bandwagonning rookie. It looks liek co-ordination. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4170 Posts
On June 07 2011 09:27 Treadmill wrote: Almost anyone else would be a better idea. I'm just bothered that wll of a sudden a bunch of people (xkcd, Kurumi, Senj) are jumping on voting for a guy, a handful of hours before the lynch. Especially considering: Senj is a lurker who's posted the bare minimum to be considered active amazingxkcd who's posted a whole lot of nothing - his only contributions have been posting one-liners about why other people's ideas are bad Kurumi - who's been posting a lot, and insanely aggressively, and accusing everyone flat-out of being scum, but when he decides who to vote for he posts a chort and uncertain post wihtout really explaining. It just seems like the analysis is a lot worse on this case than it has been on a bunch of others - but a couple people started voting for him and set a bandwagon rolling. As for scummiest posts, I still haven't seen anything to top this: That reeks of inexperienced townie to me, not scum..... | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On June 07 2011 09:30 Jackal58 wrote: I want to encourage all of you to think critically and independently.I have seen to many games where town herp derps themselves into oblivion by following one individual. If you have misgivings and doubts about my analysis on rookie by all means bring it up for discussion. If you believe you have found a better alternative by all means bring it forward. Its a bit difficult to cast doubts on your opinions when you respond to people like this: But I think that's irrelevant at the moment. In my opinion, rookie44 sounds more like a new user who has been picked on for something he is entirely unaware of. Your argument is that he is clearly blue-fishing by asking for clarification on strategy. But how would that work? It seems like he is asking more to the expert players in the game as to how he's asking for more generic ideas as to how the detectives and other blues should act. It is not conclusive as to whether he is genuinely asking for how the game should be played or whether he is actually fishing for blues. In any case, I think that we have a stronger case against Jimbooo simply because of his change in posting behavior from the moment that he started the game until now. I am not convinced at all by his answers. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4170 Posts
On June 07 2011 09:35 Treadmill wrote: Another interesting point: Jackal58 makes his case against rookie44, it's pretty weak, the people posting aren't convinced. Nobody but him votes for rookie44. Then an hour later Look at the time stamps, within 3 minutes of each other. And none of them posted for 2 hours previous to bandwagonning rookie. It looks liek co-ordination. I didn't notice this. Nice catch. I'm re-thinking my position right now. Will post when I think it through. | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
Honestly there are a couple people I'd like to vote for, but the decision is made infinitely more difficult based on the fact that all the ones in question are likely only in question for being new to the game and very lazy. If we have to hit a town let's make it a lazy scummy looking one. ##Vote Rookie44 | ||
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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
@rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man. @ jimbo Hello Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A BIT TOO eager no? First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off. You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense. + Show Spoiler + Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention. + Show Spoiler + I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh? TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading) Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons. You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior You don't justify your lynches. Your past self would agree that your suspicious You sir get my vote. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4170 Posts
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Impervious
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 07 2011 09:35 Treadmill wrote: Another interesting point: Jackal58 makes his case against rookie44, it's pretty weak, the people posting aren't convinced. Nobody but him votes for rookie44. Then an hour later Look at the time stamps, within 3 minutes of each other. And none of them posted for 2 hours previous to bandwagonning rookie. It looks liek co-ordination. Good catch by the looks of things every vote for Rookie has been within 5 mins of one another leading me to believe that this is very organised Because there are a lot of inexperienced players ( my self included ) band wagoning will occur more often allowing the scum to get easier Lynch kills in the earlier days until we either prove or disprove Jackel's Theory In my opinion Rookie is more inexperienced than Scum material | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On June 07 2011 09:24 GGQ wrote: Thoughts on what I've read so far: iGrok's post on setup was not blue-fishing at all (if he was doing that for the benefit of his mafia friends, he would post it in mafia quicktopic, not in thread), but it also was kind of useless (sorry bro, I know you like this kind of stuff, but there was no need to post it). You went through a lot of trouble and wild conjecture just to arrive at the conclusion that we probably have a pretty normal setup (2dts, 2-3medics, 2-4vigs, 2-4 vets). You could have just stated that that's a normal setup for the roles that were listed. I want to mention, though, that I've played in games on this forum where the only blue roles were vigilantes, and where the only blue roles were veterans. Be ready for anything and DONT count on blue roles to win the game for you. Greens win games far more often than blues do. The reason I posted the big analysis even though it came to a normal setup was so that many of the new people, who don't know what a traditional setup is, would have a rough idea. That being said, I find this rookie bandwagon very interesting. I don't think he's scum, just... bad with his words. Drazert is still my vote. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
sorry bro | ||
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Impervious
Canada4170 Posts
Why? Because, it's likely that all 3 (or 2 of them) are mafia, based on the timing (and assuming that rookie is town and we have 2 or so vigis in the game). When that one flips, here's the outcomes: Scum - We get vigis to hit one or both of the others overnight. Early knockdown to 3KP for the mafia. Town - We get a vigi to hit rookie as an insurance policy for switching (although we can argue the merit of this move overnight, and should rookie turn out to be red, Treadmill would be a decent policy lynch tomorrow because of how hard he's been defending). So, if we're going to hit one of them, we need to pick the scummiest one, in case it's a freak accident that they all voted at the same time like that. And we've gotta do it quick (I'm gone in ~1 hr). Basically, if we switch - in the worst case scenario we give our vigis a good target tonight, and best case, we hit 2 or 3 mafia. Pretty damn good first lynch/night imo. Now, I asked myself "have they been acting in the best interest of the town?", and the one that really stood out as a "no" was xkcd, so I'd agree with a switch to him right now. So, I'm changing my vote. ##Vote: amazingxkcd | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 07 2011 10:12 iGrok wrote: EBOWP: Drazerk sorry bro Fully understand your suspiciousness towards me and it is my own fault and I really hope i don't damage the game because of my own carelessness | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On June 07 2011 10:13 Impervious wrote: Ok, I thought it through looking at a variety of different situations, and I believe that we need to push for a lynch of one of those 3, rather than rookie. Why? Because, it's likely that all 3 (or 2 of them) are mafia, based on the timing (and assuming that rookie is town and we have 2 or so vigis in the game). When that one flips, here's the outcomes: Scum - We get vigis to hit one or both of the others overnight. Early knockdown to 3KP for the mafia. Town - We get a vigi to hit rookie as an insurance policy for switching (although we can argue the merit of this move overnight, and should rookie turn out to be red, Treadmill would be a decent policy lynch tomorrow because of how hard he's been defending). So, if we're going to hit one of them, we need to pick the scummiest one, in case it's a freak accident that they all voted at the same time like that. And we've gotta do it quick (I'm gone in ~1 hr). Basically, if we switch - in the worst case scenario we give our vigis a good target tonight, and best case, we hit 2 or 3 mafia. Pretty damn good first lynch/night imo. Now, I asked myself "have they been acting in the best interest of the town?", and the one that really stood out as a "no" was xkcd, so I'd agree with a switch to him right now. So, I'm changing my vote. ##Vote: amazingxkcd which 3? | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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amazingxkcd
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On June 07 2011 10:13 Impervious wrote: Ok, I thought it through looking at a variety of different situations, and I believe that we need to push for a lynch of one of those 3, rather than rookie. Why? Because, it's likely that all 3 (or 2 of them) are mafia, based on the timing (and assuming that rookie is town and we have 2 or so vigis in the game). When that one flips, here's the outcomes: Scum - We get vigis to hit one or both of the others overnight. Early knockdown to 3KP for the mafia. Town - We get a vigi to hit rookie as an insurance policy for switching (although we can argue the merit of this move overnight, and should rookie turn out to be red, Treadmill would be a decent policy lynch tomorrow because of how hard he's been defending). So, if we're going to hit one of them, we need to pick the scummiest one, in case it's a freak accident that they all voted at the same time like that. And we've gotta do it quick (I'm gone in ~1 hr). Basically, if we switch - in the worst case scenario we give our vigis a good target tonight, and best case, we hit 2 or 3 mafia. Pretty damn good first lynch/night imo. Now, I asked myself "have they been acting in the best interest of the town?", and the one that really stood out as a "no" was xkcd, so I'd agree with a switch to him right now. So, I'm changing my vote. ##Vote: amazingxkcd I've been defending rookie really hard 'cause I think he's being railroaded and that the lynch of him is an attempt to distract. But okay, I agree with your logic - hit one of those three and see. | ||
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Senj
United States193 Posts
Amazingxkcd, Kurumi and myself. As for my vote, it's purely coincidence that I voted within several minutes of the other two. Yes, I haven't been very active in the thread, but this is the first mafia game that I've actually gotten a chance to participate in (Last game I joined, newbie mini mafia 1 was poorly timed with leaving town for the weekend). | ||
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DeMorcerf
United States56 Posts
On June 07 2011 09:08 Drazerk wrote: Hell i can explain for them, Ive been lurking for the better part of this first day and i voted without saying anything When i got up this morning I did make a small post but nothing major bar changing my vote from freeloader to treadmill after reading all the posts and believing he was not scum With my erratic voting / posting pattern i would not be surprised if more people voted for me though and ill try to make amends tomorrow I'm currently counting 10 votes for Rookie44, that was fast. Based on several of those being, "see you later, final votes," I think Rookie is as good as dead. I'll agree that most of his posts are very confusing to me with poor wording. Is he mafia, I don't know. Heist, however, I know iGrok and I had voted for Drazerk for the reason you can find here on page 26. In his relatively empty first 2 posts he mentions, I'm busy, I'll follow up later with deeper thoughts --Never happened; and "I'll try to make amends tomorrow", which I doubt very much either because tomorrow is the night cycle and he appears to be avoiding saying much and avoiding substance altogether. He has had more than enough time during Day 1 to post literally around 1000 times on other threads, but no real time to actually make any attempt to appear as a town or help us. No one else has explained why he isn't scummy, and I don't see how they could. Even he cannot deny that he was lurking, avoiding talking and attention, and a suspicious voter; if he tried to deny it, he'd appear even worse. That is why in spite of any suspicions on freeloader and Rookie, I'm sticking with my gut that whether or not those two are mafia, Drazerk certainly seems to reek of scum. | ||
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