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On June 06 2011 09:31 Eternalmisfit wrote:
How do you know he was not saying the truth originally and not lying now. I am getting suspicious of redFF, and Mig providing fist-pounds to a claimed liar who has shot townies twice without thinking twice.
PEOPLE PLEASE DON'T FIST-POUND PALMAR TILL tnkted CONFIRMS HIS ROLE AT-LEAST.
Em use some common sense. Do you think Palmar would lie about his role while tnkted is still alive right now? Unless they were both mafia. So tnkted confirming it won't tell us anything.
But personally I think palmar is town because he shot the mole and as long as he shoots the people we tell him instead of shooting off on his own then what is the problem? If he goes off on his own then we can always lynch if we think he is actually mafia.
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I mean lie again because if he is telling the truth about his first statement being a lie then that was a very pro town lie because it would draw mafia hits while he had extra lives. If he were lying now then it is definitely anti town so he wouldn't lie this time unless him and tnkted were both mafia.
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Am I blindly believing him EM or am I believing him because I think it is highly unlikely for the mafia to shoot their mole night 1?
And like I said if he doesn't shoot who we tell him then we just lynch him. I don't understand what the problem is?
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His lie was pro town his shots clearly weren't. But his night 1 shot also clearly wasn't pro mafia either.
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EM you do make some decent points actually. But if palmar is lying and that isn't his role then I would think him and tnkted would both have to be mafia. I guess we could just not give another fist pound and if he can still shoot someone tonight then we know he is telling the truth about his role.
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Dropbears post has me really confused. Mafia has 1kp set so where was it used? Did they like shoot tnktd and their shot not count? If no one claims taking the mafia shot then I would have to assume between Kurumi/palmar/db one must be mafia.
Hm I am going to leave my vote on bum since he is confirmed anti town and I think there is a strong chance he lied at least once the last 2 days (either about being rbd or shooting Kurumi which makes it more likely to be mafia in my eyes).
Palmar is looking worse and worse but I think we should have him shoot tld and if he doesn't we lynch him. If he is going to die anyway we should try to get some use out of him. Eh I won't say my vote is set tho I would be willing to consider lynching palmar. But I would prefer to vote bum who is 100% confirmed non town as long as palmar agrees to shoot tld.
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Ok first of all palmar your assassin claim is so stupid regardless of what you are that you probably deserve to be lynched just for that :/.
But are people just ignoring dec's post where he said mafia knew who the mole was but not the alignment? This is incredibly important information! There is 0% chance the mafia shoot their own mole unless they knew that varp was police chief and just going by odds it is a lot less likely mafia knew his role. So did anyone make varp's role? If anyone will claim they made his role it should save palmar tonight. Since I doubt mafia would claim it now and directly link themselves to palmar.
And does no one find it suspicious that we have a last minute vote change from someone who is confirmed 100% not town onto someone we are unsure of? Bum is once again claiming he will do anything he can to help the town, just like he has for the last 2 days, yet bum hasn't done a damn thing for the town. And we have the new information about not knowing mole alignments and yet no one before me was even trying to figure out who gave varp his role.
Node in his will said for us to lynch bum asap. Bum is confirmed not town and has said repeatedly he would do whatever he could to help town yet he has done absolutely nothing. I mean I am just amazed that people keep finding other candidates to lynch over a confirmed non town who is bulletproof at night.
So my vote is staying on bum and karshe should just put his bomb onto palmar tonight.
Also cth wtf you said you couldn't find who gave sinani's role in the thread? I said like 3 times I was the one who gave him his role, I even copied the exact wording for it and gave my reasoning for asking the lynch question. Sinani asked to be killed n1 after only bc was dead assuming I am not lying about the role that I gave him he is 100% confirmed town because if he had been killed there wouldn't have been any mafia for him to revive. So in my eyes I know sinani is clearly town for everyone else you only have to worry that sinani is mafia if I am lying. If that is the case then you have 2 confirmed mafia and it is np anyway.
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Ok so if red made varps role then wtf? The only possible way palmar can be mafia is if red is also mafia. Otherwise who actually thinks the mafia would kill their own mole without even knowing his alignment??
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err without knowing his role I mean
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On June 08 2011 02:25 deconduo wrote:
Mafia were told the name of the mole(s) but not role
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Look if palmar is mafia it means you are almost certainly mafia red since you made varp's role. If mafia did not know varps role why in the world would they ever shoot their own mole night 1?
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Town use some common sense here you have a last minute vote change away from a confirmed non town onto a guy who killed the mafia mole before they knew his role (assuming red isn't mafia).
Lynch bum then just bomb palmar tonight. Then palmar can shoot tdl and if he flips red you still would know that redff is also mafia. But really at this point I think palmar is probably not mafia.
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So everyone is just going to completely ignore the fact that palmar likely didn't know the moles role before killing him? When I said he wouldn't want to kill the mole everyone argued well Varps role was powerful obv they killed him.
A bunch of people bandwagoned onto palmar last minute and are now choosing to ignore new information which goes against their previous reasoning.
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Kurumi red already claimed to giving varp his role.
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Em what do you think about palmar not knowing what Varps role was before killing him? Or how about this last minute vote switch away from a confirmed non town? If you vote palmar now you should be confident that red is also scum, it is the only way that really makes sense to me.
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Hey great post EM completely ignore my points and just say you have made your case. Brilliant play.
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That's all I asked was whether you were confident red was also mafia. Personally I think you are completely wrong but if palmar flips scum then red should be killed immediately.
Karshe of course red and palmar are linked wtf? Or is it the new mafia metagame for them to kill their most powerful members n1 just to buy town cred? Do you guys really think mafia would kill their mole unless they knew how strong Varps role was?
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I hate you all so much. The only person to use any common sense whatsoever and you just ignore it ahhhhhhhhh.
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Because he panicked. Why would mafia kill their mole without even knowing it's role?!?!?!
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Town kill bum after that look at GM and jackal they are better than this. I should not have been the only person arguing to save palmar.
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