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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
He doesn't make scum slips, he doesn't contradict himself as far as I see, but all of his contributions and posting are very "safe". He doesn't come out with any opinions that are unique, and seems to sheep behind a lot of people in an attempt to blend in. The one thing that sticks out about Mr Wiggles is that he doesn't want to stick out. It seems like he's doing his best to get by with minimal contribution, and that fits my pattern for scum. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
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Chezinu
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
On May 17 2011 06:28 Chezinu wrote: Yeah, he should start wiggling into a dance under the spotlight.. I think that is the only way he can wiggle himself out of this one... And people call my posts useless. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
define useless...exactly.. no one really knows... at least no one has yet to inform me.. You see you have to entertain the crowds and win them over. For instance, let's say i want people to keep me around and want to form bonds of friendship. Well, i could tell them about what I did to the last town I lived in or I could show them... + Show Spoiler + Then I could tell everyone how I covered everything up and created this story that the lands remains ruined because the water became salty from agriculture produce when really I blew everything up and had wiggle chase people out of their homes with his zombie-like qualities.. I could say these things.. but would they believe me? | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Dreamflower I would like to point out a lurker who should be doing better, a supposedly great player who is simply lurking and not contributing. Dreamflower has a grand total of five posts in this thread, none of which contain original ideas or any content worth analzying, since its only 5 posts I decided I'd include them all here On May 14 2011 10:49 dreamflower wrote: Just checking in to say that I have sent in my numbers and at the moment, I have no idea which role(s) I'd pick. A standard "don't modkill me" post, along with a demonstration of indecisiveness, +1 scumpoint On May 14 2011 11:35 dreamflower wrote: Isn't it a little early to be arguing over role distribution? Right now, everyone is just picking numbers and reading over the role descriptions. If anything, we shouldn't be sharing too much information over roles or numbers, so that the Mafia has as little information as possible and can't manipulate the draft order to get (or worse, get assigned) a specific position/role. This post has a positive and a negative, on the positive side, its all good stuff, I disagree with her about discussing role distribution, but it looks like a solid post. Until you realize someone else posted this first and this is a rewording of it... scummy in my eyes at least. On May 15 2011 13:37 dreamflower wrote: I picked [4][1], and now I can see why I ended up at #16. I'm sorry if you guys were hoping to be higher up on the draft order, though I must say I'm kind of glad that I ended up in the middle. I don't mind getting a slightly-less-controversial blue role, hopefully. "don't mind me guys, I just want to skirt under the radar, avoiding attention if at all possible" On May 16 2011 14:20 dreamflower wrote: Hmmm. I think that depends on the role that you were trying to get and missed on, especially if they're really anti-town. If you requested the traitor role or the Caller godfather role and didn't get it, then you should definitely say so. Then we know those roles are in the game and have some sense of where they may be. On the other hand, if you missed out on a role that the Mafia would love to snipe, such as one of the detective or medic roles, then your claim would hurt the town more than it would help. "Let me state the obvious some more" its not a bad point, but it seems kind of evident, to me at least, not scummy per-se but when taken in context with the other posts it raises my eyebrows even more. On May 17 2011 00:27 dreamflower wrote: I do apologize for not having posted a great deal since the game started. It's been a while since my last game of Mafia, and I feel extremely rusty and deeply unwilling to just post for the sake of posting when I really don't know what I'm talking about. (Admittedly, Ver's crazy setup hasn't helped either. Plan-concocting has never been my strength, and I can't get my head around the long list of possible and possibly imbalanced roles.) Thus, I've started reading over PYP 3 to see what did and didn't work in a previous PYP game. Hopefully that'll acclimate me more toward playing PYP Mafia games and help me contribute better. More of this "ignore me, I'm confused" and "its been so long since I played mafia" its making excuses to justify lurking, and it sets off every alarm in my head. If figuring out the setup is not your strong point, you should then be concentrating on scumhunting, not everyone can figure out the magical combination of roles to win the game, but everyone can catch scum In the meantime, I will respond to this: There are a lot of numbers clashing, for sure. Considering the Mafia can coordinate with each other to avoid their numbers clashing and being bumped down to the bottom, where they're less likely to grab the most valuable roles, I think at least half the people who chose 4 and 9 (the numbers that clashed the most often) are probably town. In a setup like this, I doubt the Mafia would want to be pushed toward the bottom by picking the same numbers as each other. Again, this has been said, and its kind of obvious, the mafia will not intentionally clash, this is a subtle attempt to clear herself, after all if she were mafia she wouldn't clash with her buddies... Still its a true statement, but its trying to *look* like a contribution without contributing (long post so comments in bold) Veredict: Lurking Scum dreamflower needs to step up her game, as she has yet to add anything to the town. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=27#534 but then you think dreamflower is lurking scum and don't change your vote? Are you doing this because Qatol isn't here to protect her? =D | ||
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
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Chezinu
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
No, I'm not moving my vote until SOS shows up and actually says stuff, and only if I deem the stuff he says to be worthwhile. I'd like to have two votes so I could vote for both, but I only have one vote, if someone else would like to pressure her for me that would be great though. ^_^ | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On May 17 2011 06:58 KillerSOS wrote: He likes to lash out in fear obviously. Sure thing, try actually contributing and I might let off the pressure. Hint, passive aggressive comments are not "contribution" by any stretch of the imagination. Let me help you, who are your top two scum reads and why? Top two town reads? | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On May 17 2011 05:14 Foolishness wrote: And as someone already pointed out, the obscene amount of number collisions on the bottom half of the draft give way to the idea that most mafia are probably in the top half. Hmm, who was that someone? Oh wait, it was me! On May 17 2011 05:46 GMarshal wrote: KillerSOS So, I did a search of all his posts in order to find any posts that were relevant to analyze, looking for something juicy. There is exactly nothing, he has posted nothing but one liners. I'll pull out the ones that seem relevant, but theres *nothing* there. Here are some examples of his great contributions + Show Spoiler [great contributions!] + On May 14 2011 10:28 KillerSOS wrote: Well I'm going with two mid range numbers. Dare you to guess them. Completely irrelevant post, also not true he picked [5] IIRC, which is not really midrange, usless post On May 15 2011 17:03 KillerSOS wrote: I like how 13 was near the top. Interesting. Contribution = 0 On May 16 2011 16:15 KillerSOS wrote: I also believe that clashes in numbers won't be that useful this early in the game. I'm sure that the mafia are smart enough to grab some top slots, while at the same time randomizing the other half of their members. First game relevant post, and all it does is shoot down a decent idea, without actually contributing anything, bravo, so far my "lurker" radar is going nuts. On May 17 2011 03:10 KillerSOS wrote: I think it's fairly obvious that you are just spitting out nonsense. Would you like to explain yourself? People are accusing me, quickly demand an explanation of why they think that my 8 posts are all contentless one liners! KillerSOS is lurking, and I've made my stance on lurkers clear in the past, hang them all! ##Vote KillerSOS Get in here and contribute or hang by the neck till dead, I'd rather you did the former, but if you refuse I have no issue hanging you for it. There are way worse posters than KillerSOS. And suddenly you want to hang him? This is so random...oh wait... Flamewheel, seriously just nuke this duder. To all of you voting me, just think how I could possibly be mafia for a second. I come out and post about the vote rigger/list check combo, that apparently nobody else was even thinking about. There is absolutely no reason for me to do this as mafia. So what's the explanation for my weird play? I'm in Chicago for the weekend. Ver/Foolishness/Flamewheel all know this. I don't have the time I need to play a proper Day 1 (which unfortunately is one of the most crucial parts of the game), but I should be able to play seriously starting tomorrow after I finish my midterm. Bumatlarge is also on the right track. Chaoser is a good vote too. Actually, wait, a better vote than Kurumi. I'll put Chaoser as 85% mafia. ##Vote Chaoser We can only check one list at a time, and while checking a small list is much more helpful, I see no reason why the voterigger needs to get involved to create one. If he messes with the votes, then we lose most of the information we would have gotten from the voting that cycle. If the voterigger is mafia, the worst he can mess us up is if he places and equal amount of mafia on each list. What we don't want is overlapping lists. Vote rigger does this most effectively. I mean, for all I care vote rigger can wait till the last second to use his power and give us the entire 48 hours to debate. We should still be good even if he uses his power. Also we can check more than one list at a time. Night 1 inventor should give a vote checking kit to a trusted townie who isn't likely to die tonight (*hint* - pick me). That gives us 2 instant list checks by day 2. To all of you whining about how we should stop focusing on list checks and start scumhunting, I disagree. Partially. We should do both. Scumhunting obviously takes priority, but we shouldn't neglect vote list checks. Although the situation currently isn't ideal, it is by no means terrible. There's plenty of time left in the day and already things are beginning to pop up. List of invisible posters: GMarshal Kurumi Radfield tnkted Anyways, got a plane to catch now. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
On May 16 2011 19:40 Chezinu wrote: Question: If the Editor says a codeword that activates a bomb but then edits his post before you (the host) reads it, does the bomb go off? Yes, if I find out about it. Is nuking yourself a valid option as America? America cannot nuke himself nor can the politician force him to nuke himself. Which roles won't get caught by a votecheck? Caller Godfather, Mafia XII Godfather, NKVD Agent, Mole (before night 3), and traitor (before successfully converting). Note that the framer or mafia xii godfather's cover can change any mafia to appear as green to all detective type actions including votechecks. | ||
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dreamflower
United States312 Posts
On May 17 2011 04:48 Foolishness wrote: No plans for vote rigging or checking. Let's scum hunt. I have to say, this part of Foolishness' post kind of bothered me a little. Incognito's idea about using the vote rigger and Mafia 2 detective in combination to find small, easily-analyzed groups that can be votechecked is scumhunting. It's just in a more numerical way than picking people's posts apart, but I think it's a good way to find scum. Even if the Mafia 2 detective just picks any group of voters to votecheck, a result of "3 out of 6 people on this list are Mafia" seems pretty helpful to me. It lets us determine that three sure targets can be found from a small list and we can focus on analyzing those people in more depth to cripple the Mafia team. For that matter, a result of "0 out of 6 people on this list are Mafia" is quite helpful, as we then have a list of confirmed townies. The vote rigger, I'm assuming, is there because voting rarely works out in such a way that the resulting vote list is divided into neat, equal-sized groups. Also, I think your example of Incognito's aggressive play is a little questionable, as it centered on a single mini Mafia game. Incognito's played in a lot of games, and while I haven't followed them all, I'm pretty sure he doesn't open all of them with an attacking style. But I guess we all have to place our votes on someone. I just don't think remembering one example out of many where he played differently than he's doing now necessarily means he's Mafia. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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dreamflower
United States312 Posts
On May 17 2011 06:52 GMarshal wrote: Dreamflower I would like to point out a lurker who should be doing better, a supposedly great player who is simply lurking and not contributing. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr. If you say one more time than I am a "great player," I am going to snap, I swear. Seriously, I am not a great player; I just played in several old games, back when Day posts often had clues and the idea of inactivity modkills hadn't even been dreamed up yet. Just because I am old doesn't make me "great," believe me. So, please don't call me that. Thank you. I agree that I haven't posted much, but I am usually quite quiet, particularly in the beginning of games. This is about as active as I usually get, if you have read any of my previous games! I'm sorry that my posts often sound like other people's and frequently focus on roles, but the mystery surrounding the novelty of picking your own role has, admittedly, dominated my thinking. I figured that, between posting my thoughts or not posting at all, I should at least add my perspective on certain things, even if they are not amazingly original. I realize that "everyone can hunt scum," but I personally don't want to rush into finger-pointing and accusations on Day 1. That said, I will try to step up my game as the game progresses, but I admit that right now I don't have many brilliant insights to offer. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On May 17 2011 06:25 Kavdragon wrote: Upon further review, there is nothing of much significance with Mr.Wiggles. He doesn't make scum slips, he doesn't contradict himself as far as I see, but all of his contributions and posting are very "safe". He doesn't come out with any opinions that are unique, and seems to sheep behind a lot of people in an attempt to blend in. The one thing that sticks out about Mr Wiggles is that he doesn't want to stick out. It seems like he's doing his best to get by with minimal contribution, and that fits my pattern for scum. I don't mind sticking out, and I'm rather used to it, if 4 day 1 accusations of being scum in a row are anything to go by. :p I play pretty conservatively in the early game, and try to add where I can. If I independently come up with similar conclusions to others, then whatever, I'm still thinking. I've never read someone's post, thought "good idea", and then reworded it into my own. So yes, my opinions are uniquely me, if you don't see it, that's your loss. Now, here's an opinion for you: Trying to figure out mafia numbers with no information is useless. It is complete conjecture, and the very fact you're trying to use it to find people to analyze seems weird to me. There's as much validity in saying, mafia chose 1,2,3,4,5,6, as there is in saying mafia chose 9,9,9,9,9,9. It's useless at the moment, and only gains some kind of validity after at least two mafia are killed, because you'll get an inkling of an idea what their number strategy is. That said, it's still and inkling, and not very much to go on, so using that as a basis for analysis is weak. I'd rather see something behavioural or strategical before anything based off numbers already. On May 17 2011 05:49 Ace wrote: Actually Scum would want to vote with a group. If they don't they risk the possible chance of a group of confirmed townies by the DT. It's better for them and for the Town that people vote together. People voting alone are probably better off left to be checked by another investigation role. That's exactly what I'm saying though. :p There will be mafia voting in a group, as there are enough mafia to vote in each bloc, but anyone voting alone for a player is very unlikely to get checked by the vote-checker. So, that makes them a better target for DTs. I wasn't trying to propose we vote-check them, that would be a waste of the power, but consistent solo voting means you will never be vote checked. Also, a group of vote-checked townies won't be 100% green. There's still the possibility for framers and GFs to be in the group. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On May 17 2011 07:23 dreamflower wrote: I am not a great player; Sorry for praising you? I could have sworn you have at least a couple good games of scumhunting under your belt, notably mafia 8 IIRC. Either way, I'd like to see you post more. ^_^ | ||
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