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On May 16 2011 17:36 bumatlarge wrote:
Therefore I'm going to scope out suspects based on small posting with a clear sign of having interests elsewhere during the drafting and role picking stages.
haha, I have no clue what this means. Anyway, since I get called out for lurking just about every game might as well reassure people right now: I get involved when shit starts actually happening, don't worry about it. Still don't really know how to read these early stages .-.
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On May 16 2011 18:18 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 17:36 bumatlarge wrote:
Therefore I'm going to scope out suspects based on small posting with a clear sign of having interests elsewhere during the drafting and role picking stages. haha, I have no clue what this means. Anyway, since I get called out for lurking just about every game might as well reassure people right now: I get involved when shit starts actually happening, don't worry about it. Still don't really know how to read these early stages .-.
:/ You're pretty obnoxious to deal with, you know? You did this in PYP3.
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Sorry! PYP3 was one of my earliest games, and I really didn't know how to approach the game. Between that and it being PYP I just kind of lurked out of sheer terror and confusion, and ended up getting modkilled for it which I'm still kicking myself for :/
I mean, all the who-picks-what planning talk was cool, but I pretty much stated how I was going to pick and that was that. I understand the appeal to having a structured list but last game it didn't go quite so well. So what's there to say when everyone's just kind of mulling over two or three reasonable plans that I won't strictly be participating in?
So yeah, I'm pretty quiet during this part of the game, and that's my bad. If you ever feel like I haven't taken a strong stance on an important issue or that I'm deliberately ignoring or omitting something important from any of my posts I'd love for you to call me out on it, but until the game gets moving or something really catches my eye I don't know how I'm going to get more than 2-3 posts out a day without outright spamming.
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Therefore I'm going to scope out suspects based on small posting with a clear sign of having interests elsewhere during the drafting and role picking stages.
I'm more used to chaoser and deconduo being much more active, regardless of alignment. These two are PMing, or on some IRC/forum chatting it up with scumbuddies about what their schemes are. I'll be putting my vote on chaoser.
##Vote Chaoser
My interests are currently with interviews so you'll have to excuse me the last few days. Last interview will be on Tuesday so I will be 100% free after that. That being said, I was busy talking with tnkt about the impending rapture on TLMafia IRC last night so thats my scheme =[ to survive it.
http://www.raptureready.com/
Here, you can be ready too.
##vote GMarshal. Y U SAY CHUIU JACK IS PROMAFIA?
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Radfield
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On May 16 2011 14:29 OriginalName wrote:
Ok now that 48 hours of wifom is over I have a question.
Is going through pregame really worth the amount of effort over results or should we play this like a normal game?
Im going to answer this by saying: sort of.
The biggest reason behind this are plans proposed by Radfield and Batman both are basically the same thing. Pro-town plans to attempt to control roles. When has this ever worked in PYP? Never, invariably someone always effs it up. So why bother with wifom, the only real analysis done on actual people was done by Caller, so really I think our best move is to play the game like a really blue heavy normal game.
Im liable to think somebody who suggested a no-pick list is scum just because it looks towny on the outside, control is a scum style so why let them get away with it.
We should play like this is a normal game. Any time to focus on roles is over for the time being, until, as ace says, we start getting claims. There is no guarantee that there are any good blue roles at all in the game, so that's the way we need to play it. Once night comes, we can make all sorts of medic lists, dt check lists, etc, but we can't rely on them in any way, since we don't know if those roles are in the game. The focus now is on scum-hunting and the lynch.
However, we have several important results moving forward:
- Anyone found with a role on the 'No-Pick' list should be outted and lynched. There is no reason for a townie to have any of these roles.
- Anyone who took America and nukes should be lynched
- Anyone who is made King and lynches without the towns approval should be killed
These last two are simply too powerful for mafia to use the power and make a kill, and then talk their way out of it. We need a hard rule on this now before it happens.
It's possible that Scamp should claim if he took Inventor. We probably have protective roles in the game, and definitely have the threat of having protective roles, so he can likely be protected. Thoughts?
On May 16 2011 17:55 Ace wrote:
you guys are throwing suspicions around like knives, be careful with those things! You Too.
I think the chances that Chezinu took Bomber Man, regardless of his alignment, are like 10/10.
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On May 16 2011 19:12 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Therefore I'm going to scope out suspects based on small posting with a clear sign of having interests elsewhere during the drafting and role picking stages.
I'm more used to chaoser and deconduo being much more active, regardless of alignment. These two are PMing, or on some IRC/forum chatting it up with scumbuddies about what their schemes are. I'll be putting my vote on chaoser.
##Vote Chaoser My interests are currently with interviews so you'll have to excuse me the last few days. Last interview will be on Tuesday so I will be 100% free after that. That being said, I was busy talking with tnkt about the impending rapture on TLMafia IRC last night so thats my scheme =[ to survive it. http://www.raptureready.com/Here, you can be ready too. ##vote GMarshal. Y U SAY CHUIU JACK IS PROMAFIA?
Because I was tired and I saw it had two kills? I didn't really think about it that hard to be honest, I was like "its like the vigi, so it helps mafia about as much as taking a vigi, but better because it takes away DT checks from the town, its better for the mafia then a regular vigi then"
Again, if anything it shows I shouldn't be posting when not properly rested, I also made stupid assumptions about the assassin and said America was good for the town because it served as a double lynch, so yeah, I had some questionable (read *stupid*) logic in there.
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Question: If the Editor says a codeword that activates a bomb but then edits his post before you (the host) reads it, does the bomb go off?
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Also I think it would be best if we all refrained from using the word gambino...
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 16 2011 15:45 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 15:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 16 2011 15:28 Ace wrote:On May 16 2011 14:29 OriginalName wrote:
Ok now that 48 hours of wifom is over I have a question.
Is going through pregame really worth the amount of effort over results or should we play this like a normal game?
Im going to answer this by saying: sort of.
The biggest reason behind this are plans proposed by Radfield and Batman both are basically the same thing. Pro-town plans to attempt to control roles. When has this ever worked in PYP? Never, invariably someone always effs it up. So why bother with wifom, the only real analysis done on actual people was done by Caller, so really I think our best move is to play the game like a really blue heavy normal game.
Im liable to think somebody who suggested a no-pick list is scum just because it looks towny on the outside, control is a scum style so why let them get away with it.
Well we do play it like a "normal" game until the first role claim comes out  Once that comes out and depending on the position the player was in we debate whether it's a falseclaim or not, or even if the person is worth lynching. With so many information roles I'm sure things are going to be kicking off very soon. Day 2 will be interesting then. I'm going to say, that we shouldn't drop everything that was discussed before the day started, and that in fact, some people are already making use of it. Incognito expressed a suspicion in Node and then retracted it immediately. Caller later stated that he believes Node is mafia. From what's happened pre-game until role PMs, Incog now suspects GM enough to call for a hit on him. So, whether these suspicions are able to be substantiated or not aside, we still have information, if solely in the fact that these people were brought up as suspicious, and that Incog and Caller were so quick to start pointing out who they believe are scum. So, I'm going to say we shouldn't ignore what happened before Role Pms went out, because there is definitely information there. I'm also interested in hearing from Node again, because he was mentioned twice, and has since disappeared, only making two, very small posts. Well whether we hear from Node or not doesn't mean anything just because his name was mentioned twice. Incognito has been pushing suspicions around already. Either he has more information than we do or he is smarter than the rest of us (read: me). Needless to say I think he's just bullshitting around so far.
I'm disappointed you didn't take Dirty Cop. No one calls out a bullshitter like you do Ace
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Nooo T_T
Last time I mentioned the numbers I got lynched,but whatever You say Americans.
[9][13]
I don't see how it helps You but whatever.
Oh also about Incognito he might be the Village Idiot going for an idiot tactic - let them know I am an Idiot. (Flamewheel Nuke dat,random vote)
About the draft and number math - I have no idea how to interpret them,I have no experience in games like that,but I will try to prove as useful as I can be.
I know my posting can be confusing at times,but please don't jump on me on it,just ask me to make it more clear and I will try to do my best.
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On May 16 2011 19:40 Chezinu wrote:
Question: If the Editor says a codeword that activates a bomb but then edits his post before you (the host) reads it, does the bomb go off?
Y U So Mafia?!
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On May 16 2011 15:43 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 17:40 Barundar wrote:
updated list:
1. Flamewheel
2. Scamp [7][11]
3. Caller [10][4]
4. Barundar [13][1]
5. Radfield
6. GMarshal [17][2]
7. Deconduo
8. Foolishness [1][x]
9. bumatlarge [1][18]
10. Kavdragon [2][1]
11. Chaoser [2][2]
12. Fishball [5][3]
13. KillerSOS [5][11]
14. Eiii [6][7]
15. Infinitestory [6][10]
16. Dreamflower [4][1]
17. Mr.Wiggles [4][x]
18. Original Name[4][6]
19. tnkted [4][12]
20. Chezinu
21. Ace [9][11]
22. Kurumi [9][x]
23. Incognito[9][x]
24. Node [9][1]
25. kitaman27 [9][1] Anyone else that didn't claim numbers should soon. I'm surprised no one has made a big deal about number clashing yet like in PYP 1. With so many unique numbers at the top and a bunch of clashes from 16 on down I think focusing our investigations into the clashing sets is a good start. We somewhat have an idea of what should be in the top slots so if any bad actions that were already discussed happen we know where to look.
No. Mafia are unlikely to double pick numbers, so there is likely to be less than 2 mafia in the bottom 10 spots. We'd be better to have our investigative roles check out the top of the list. More number variety = more chances of finding red.
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Whoever is the vote rigger should rig the votes into 4 sections of roughly equal sizes. Try to spread out the people with the same numbers onto different lists.
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On May 16 2011 19:12 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Therefore I'm going to scope out suspects based on small posting with a clear sign of having interests elsewhere during the drafting and role picking stages.
I'm more used to chaoser and deconduo being much more active, regardless of alignment. These two are PMing, or on some IRC/forum chatting it up with scumbuddies about what their schemes are. I'll be putting my vote on chaoser.
##Vote Chaoser My interests are currently with interviews so you'll have to excuse me the last few days. Last interview will be on Tuesday so I will be 100% free after that. That being said, I was busy talking with tnkt about the impending rapture on TLMafia IRC last night so thats my scheme =[ to survive it. http://www.raptureready.com/Here, you can be ready too. ##vote GMarshal. Y U SAY CHUIU JACK IS PROMAFIA?
Rapture ready is a fantastic site, full of valuable information.
Some real gems of knowledge include:
http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq191.html
Is it okay for a man to dress like a woman?
This is one of those issues that the Lord decided to directly address in His Word. Deuteronomy 22:5 says, "A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this." God made you to be the person He wanted you to be. A man is to live, dress, act and look like a man—the way God intended.
Be sure that you realize, though, that God condemned the act of cross-dressing but, even though He knew you would struggle with this, He loved you so much that He sent His Son to die for you. That kind of love has power that can help you overcome any sin in your life. God wants to help you gain control of this issue. This is what God says about temptation: “No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.”
Now I think we all know who I'm talking about. Mr. Wiggles, you don't need to be afraid of your masculinity! God intended you to be a man, and its time that you started to act like one. You are going against God's word by dressing like a girl; for the sake of your immortal soul, I urge you to stop!
No matter what you do, God loves you. I advise you to take a deep, long, look at your relationship with Him and make the right decision.
In the meantime, #vote: Mr. Wiggles. I am only pressuring you for the sake of our Lord.
“Lean on, trust in, and be confident in the Lord with all your heart and mind and do not rely on your own women's clothing for insight or understanding.” – Proverbs 3:5 (AMP)
“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man crossdresser to enter the kingdom of God”
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On May 16 2011 23:41 Incognito wrote:
Whoever is the vote rigger should rig the votes into 4 sections of roughly equal sizes. Try to spread out the people with the same numbers onto different lists.
Agreed, if we have the Mafia II detective (and we should) then it makes it really easy for him to use his role appropriately, it also keeps the rig from showing up as a nasty surprise later.
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On May 16 2011 17:36 bumatlarge wrote:
Well, also I believe we can rely heavily that a lot of mafia in the beginning will be rather quiet unless they are superactive, because you will want to spend every moment you get discussing exactly what you are doing with your team. Therefore I'm going to scope out suspects based on small posting with a clear sign of having interests elsewhere during the drafting and role picking stages. The offenders of this I find to be:
I do apologize for not having posted a great deal since the game started. It's been a while since my last game of Mafia, and I feel extremely rusty and deeply unwilling to just post for the sake of posting when I really don't know what I'm talking about. (Admittedly, Ver's crazy setup hasn't helped either. Plan-concocting has never been my strength, and I can't get my head around the long list of possible and possibly imbalanced roles.) Thus, I've started reading over PYP 3 to see what did and didn't work in a previous PYP game. Hopefully that'll acclimate me more toward playing PYP Mafia games and help me contribute better.
In the meantime, I will respond to this:
On May 16 2011 15:43 Ace wrote:
Anyone else that didn't claim numbers should soon. I'm surprised no one has made a big deal about number clashing yet like in PYP 1. With so many unique numbers at the top and a bunch of clashes from 16 on down I think focusing our investigations into the clashing sets is a good start.
We somewhat have an idea of what should be in the top slots so if any bad actions that were already discussed happen we know where to look.
There are a lot of numbers clashing, for sure. Considering the Mafia can coordinate with each other to avoid their numbers clashing and being bumped down to the bottom, where they're less likely to grab the most valuable roles, I think at least half the people who chose 4 and 9 (the numbers that clashed the most often) are probably town. In a setup like this, I doubt the Mafia would want to be pushed toward the bottom by picking the same numbers as each other.
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On May 16 2011 23:41 Incognito wrote:
Whoever is the vote rigger should rig the votes into 4 sections of roughly equal sizes. Try to spread out the people with the same numbers onto different lists.
I disagree. If the vote rigger is the one who decides where people go, we gain no knowledge about the person that they voted for. For instance, if we check a list of 6 people voting for the second or third place lynch, and none of them are mafia, then we get a list of cleared townies, and a huge fos on the person they were voting for.
We can only check one list at a time, and while checking a small list is much more helpful, I see no reason why the voterigger needs to get involved to create one. If he messes with the votes, then we lose most of the information we would have gotten from the voting that cycle.
Mafia 2 det should be checking mid to small sized lists. (Maybe 4-7 people), They should NOT be checking the list of those voting for the person who was lynched. (As busing is likely to occur once a mafia is the top lynch spot.)
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Also, while I disagree with lynching GMarshal today, on the basis that his true colors WILL show pretty obviously with time, and while I think his behavior is suspicious, he can be a valuable asset to the town.
I have held this opinion for a while now: I don't like lynching potentially valuable players day 1. Day 1 is easy to mess up, it's not worth the risk. I'm sure there are better targets out there, like, for instance, Node. I'll post more on that later though.
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EBWODP:
Also, I while dissagree with lynching GMarshal today...
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On May 17 2011 00:33 Kavdragon wrote:
Also, while I disagree with lynching GMarshal today, on the basis that his true colors WILL show pretty obviously with time, and while I think his behavior is suspicious, he can be a valuable asset to the town.
I have held this opinion for a while now: I don't like lynching potentially valuable players day 1. Day 1 is easy to mess up, it's not worth the risk. I'm sure there are better targets out there, like, for instance, Node. I'll post more on that later though.
While I'm glad you don't want to lynch me, I have to ask, what part of my behavior is "suspicious"?
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