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Also, you seem to be taking credit for "the plan"
I point you to this post.
Just thought I would avoid any misconceptions. Not diminishing your efforts or anything, your write up was much nicer than mine.
Also, what of yellow's response? I pointed it out back then, it didn't make any sense to me, and yellow failed to clarify why he made that comment. Also agreeing with "your" plan is irrelevant, the plan would or would not have gone through before the night ending so shooting people who supported the plan wouldn't have hurt you if you were scum.
Also Random did NOT support your plan
On April 29 2011 01:47 Random4 wrote:
I am not voting for role reveal. What would the use be instead of using it after the next lynch? If red pops scum, then we basically won. If he pops town, then we are in a load of shit. And it will be a massive load because we wouldn't have role reveal at a key point. Wait for the next lynchee I say.
but either way, supporting the reveal or not is unlikely to be the reason why anyone was shot, because it was both too late for mafia to influence it and because it was an easy decision for the mafia to agree to. Mathematicaly/setup based decisions are the easiest for scum to agree with/come up with as they don't rely on having to do analysis which can be difficult when you know who the mafia is.
On April 29 2011 18:12 Pink2 wrote:
I'm a very math-oriented person, and I've always been much more interested in the game theory ^^. But lets see...
I think Yellow deserves more attention. Most of his posts have been one-liners, but he keeps up enough activity to seem... active lol.
Zerg is also a suspect who has completely dropped off the map. Not sure what to read into that.
And if there is a traitor in this game, I suspect that its you, Orange, which worries me slightly, as it is the goal of the traitor to encourage LYLO as quickly as possible.
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lovely semiOMGUS by the way, so cleverly disguised, is it because I'm the only person applying pressure to you? I thought you concluded mathematically that a traitor was unlikely unless we had many blues? Also how am I encouraging LYLO? By scumhunting? But I digress, this isn't about me.
So, can you point out some posts where either yellow or zerg come across as scummy?
Also what do you think of green?
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Your "Plan" started with the assumption that there were 12 people playing. Note that there were 11 people playing. The rest of your math was thrown off by this. My math was correct. There were still flaws, but those pertained to the time of which the power could be activated, and changed nothing in my plan because it is actually a plan.
And yes, I am calling it "my" plan, because mine is an actual, laid-out, step-by-step plan, with contingencies set up as well. As opposed to yours, which was "I ran basic mathematical analysis" so listen to me. The fact that no one called you on the # mix-up I find highly amusing, and slightly disheartening.
Regarding Random, he was actually agreeing with me when he said "I'm all for popping it as soon as we can!" As I've shown, that is the most pro-town thing we can do. At no point after this post does he disagree with me. The post you quoted was 6 hours prior.
Regarding the accused-OMGUS: Hey, you asked. You get my answer.
Now its your turn: You seem to have skipped my last post. Bottom of the previous page. I'd like your thoughts on it.
//Pink2
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I have no idea why green2 decided to vote for zerg, as I understand it that vote was a last minute vote, if it was at night as you claim then I have no idea, maybe green was high. So yeah, no idea what you want me to come up with there.
Also on the number mix up I could have sworn there were originally 12 players, as I did check my numbers, but I might be wrong, either way its irrelevant as it brought us to the same conclusion, we still needed to pop the power night 1 if that was possible. All the contingencies you planned you handwaved away with "we have to plan for the worst" which is exactly what my plan did, it assumes no protects, which is the way to go with this.
Either way, I'm not going to make this a dickwaving contest over who had the coolest plan or whatever I'm going to leave it at we both came to the same conclusion as to what the best course of action was and pointed it out.
On Random, it is irrelevant whether or not he agreed with "your" plan, as his death is most likely due to other factors.
I answered your question, I have no idea what green was snorting when he cast that vote, your turn to answer mine.
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EBOBP: Where the hell does random support your plan btw, all I see from him is wanting to pop it night two, rather than night 1, which was what we concluded was the optimal use, he's even happy that the plan dosn't work night 1
On April 29 2011 09:25 Random4 wrote:
So even if I was wrong about my points I still got my way! Haha!
so yeah.
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First, who cares who the plan was. Nothing useful to town will come out of this discussion.Alright, so here comes my analysis of protoss:
On April 27 2011 03:33 Protoss1 wrote:
This is my first time of playing mafia on TL, the only thing I'm guilty of is being a noob. Sheesh.
I'm not "making an effort to appear nice," I'm just defending myself. I don't even know what OMGUS means, lol.
I could have just stayed silent like some other players are. I would think a smart mafia would want to stay under the radar as much as possible. Your argument could valid as well, that I'm being "too nice," but that's simply not the case.
I could have just had one post right now that read "OMG BLUE IS SCUM" but I'm making an effort to be active. If that gets me killed, then whatever. I'll be laughing from the grave if/when you find out my role, because assuming you're town, I'm most definitely on your side.
Hints he is blue and says he does not care about dieing.
On April 27 2011 04:53 Protoss1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 04:44 Random4 wrote:
Protoss is obviously new, if anything really sticks out as scummy from him at the moment, please quote it and post why. I appreciate the "vote" of confindence. Wanted to take this opportunity to take my foot out of my mouth and explain my "sheep" behavior seen here: Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 00:14 Protoss1 wrote:
I'm new to this town and the lynching process, so I'm likely to follow along with whatever the majority decides until someone suspicious incriminates themselves. In hindsight I see why this was extremely scummy behavior. All I meant by it was that I am a new player and was not going to be the first one to call someone out as scum because I do not have the experience to back that claim up yet. You may view this as a mafia member trying to back pedal, but honestly, why would a mafia member come out of the gate looking so suspicious? (Yes, I know you could argue that is what a mafia member would say if he's acting suspicious on purpose to throw people off... all I can say is that's just not the case, and I apologize for any confusion.)
Here he claims he understand why his behaviour was scummy. I don't know what changed so far, so he could come to this realisation. Except for the fact that multiple people are jumping on him. In the end of his post he apologizes.
On April 27 2011 05:27 Protoss1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 05:11 Blue1 wrote:
Orange, your on character behaviour is anoying and makes your posts unecessarily difficult to read for content. That makes you suspicious in my eyes.
As for protoss, he IS obviously new, but those are newbie mafia mistakes, not newbie town mistakes. He's either scum or useless so I stand by my vote to get him lynched. I am most definitely not useless, I assure you. I am also not scum. I am voting for zerg1. Despite posting several times he has not contributed anything useful to the discussion thus far, and more than that, the tone/content of his posts is something I can live without for the remainder of this expirement. ##Vote: zerg1
Hints blue again. Votes for zerg1 (who was voting him) of not contributing, when he hasn't contributed anything himself.
On April 27 2011 10:02 Protoss1 wrote:
Lots of random questions thrown my way so I will try not to write an essay here.
I would agree I've done more than my fair share of self defense, Orange. Unfortunately, the reasons I've been voted so far have included, "He's too nice," "He's a noob," "He's defending himself," and you yourself have pointed out, "He wants to stay in the game." I feel none of these implicate me as scum, so I continue to prepare myself against unfounded finger pointing. I am simply a first time player who--you're correct--wants to stay in the game for the experience. I was not aware that being polite when you're a newcomer means you get kicked out. o_o
The points that have already brought up that could be valid against me ("he's bandwagoning," "he's back pedaling," etc.) I feel I've already explained to the best of my ability. I'm learning on the fly here.
I was asked what I thought of Red fanning the flames. I have not seen enough from him yet to feel comfortable lynching him, but I do think he is acting suspicious... I would think he would be a good candidate to investigate.
Blue asked who I feel should be lynched, and Orange asked me to essentially point a finger. I do agree that a no lynch day 1 is pointless, despite feeling like I could be the first casualty. From reading other threads It seems that pointing the finger at inactive players is considered an "easy out" or even suspicious. However, if the players you listed, Orange, do not speak up soon (I see Yellow just posted), why would we not vote to lynch a player who is not going to contribute to discussion? At the worst we lynched a townie who did not help us on day 1, and with some luck we manage to snag a mafia who is sitting back and letting you all do his/her work for him.
For now, I would vote between pink or green who so far have not contributed, and see how they scramble to defend themselves at the very end of the day and explain why they have not helped witch hunt yet.
So here he's saying he's a townie playing to survive (mafia win condition) and wants to get experience. Let's indulge this notion for a moment. Later in the post he says he's read other threads and gathered some info that pointing a finger at inactives is an easy way out.
On April 28 2011 00:32 Protoss1 wrote:
I'm feeling more and more than Red and Yellow are on different sides of the town line, but I'm having a hard time figuring out which is which.
I still don't know why people think I should be the Day 1 vote... the only thing I've been guilty of is being new. I haven't been creating chaos or making random accusations and then silently backing away and letting other people argue it out and do my work for me.
If I get lynched, when does my role get revealed? (not sure if this should be in mod font, but I'm guessing you all can answer my question for me). Since I'm looking more and more likely to be lynched, according to the rules revealing your role is not against the rules, it's just frowned upon. Would revealing my role as a last ditch effort just serve to help the mafia more than the town?
For the last time: I am not scum.
Fearing death, he basically tell us that he is blue.
On April 28 2011 07:35 Protoss1 wrote:
I understand where you're coming from, but for me, as a noob, the point is playing the game. Winning will be a bonus. That is not to say I do not want to help the town win, of course. I'm just not convinced yet that Red is scum, and my vote has to go somewhere.
My vote is not set in stone, I will be waiting to see if/how Red defends himself.
Again he claims he's playing to survive.
On April 28 2011 07:47 Protoss1 wrote:I'm confused. Will you make up your mind? Earlier you were ready to vote me out because of the above. I could post against Red and keep my head down but at this point Red seems like an easy vote and I would like to hear from Pink while waiting for Red to respond. I am not trying to derail anything.
He says voting for red is an easy way out, yet he understands (from previous post) voting for pink is an easy way out. His only concern is to convince me that he is not scum, not to try to find out who scum really is.
On April 29 2011 02:08 Protoss1 wrote:I'm home with flu today (unnngggghhh) so my activity will be decreased today from previous day(s) while I roll around in bed, miserable. I'm glad you made it, Pink, sorry I was rallying to boot you. I would like to reiterate: Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 01:41 Blue1 wrote:
##Vote: Use power
I agree with orange's list, but would like to add protoss1 to the medic list. Right now, I feel he's either scum or blue, so if he's not scum he's sure to be dead this night, because he hinted he has an important role in many of his posts.
If everyone agrees that I am not scum, I have been saying from the beginning that keeping me in the game is in the best interest of the townies. Early on when it looked like I was going to get lynched I wanted to make it known that I was an important role so if I got off the hook, the scum would have to waste a night killing me anyway. I will (hopefully) check back later today/tonight to review all posts and post who I believe should be lynched next. Didn't want to just disappear on you all today and have you think it was intentional.
When I sugested adding him to the medic list, suddenly he's not playing to survive anymore. During the day he was playing for survival, but at night he has no reason to worry about it. If his plan is to make the mafia waste a kill on him it makes no sense revealing it before the night ends.
Alright so let's make sense of all of this. From a newbie blue who wants to survive perspective he would have jumped at the opportunity of being protected by the medic. It makes no sense. From a newbie townie that wants to take a hit for the team perspective he would not have revealed his plan before the end of the night. It makes no sense.
Now from a mafia perspective, lets see:
1) Try to survive the day lynch at all costs. Check
2) Being extremely defensive and not posting any content whatsoever. Check
3) Not helping town gather info at all, even after I told him multiple times to do so. Check
4) Not willing to commit to any votes at all and being conserned about looking scummy. Check
5) Not having any reason to be concerned about survival at night time. Saying, I'm just a regular townie, who has no blue powers. Don't mind me if I don't get killed at night. Nothing to be suspicious about. Check
##Vote : Protoss
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On April 29 2011 13:57 Blue1 wrote:
Gratz to the medic for doing a great job tonight. Looking at the kill tonight, I have to ask myself who the second target was. After pink's analysis, I think it's very likely that it was me, so assuming me and random were the targets tonight, I wonder who would benefit from this the most. Me and random were on purples list, but he seems to be a vet and wouldn't hit us because that would pretty much make him very suspicious. That makes purple very likely to be town. So the question is, who would benefit from making purple very suspicious?
The best answer I can come up with is newbie mafia protoss. It's a very linear way of thinking. I was tuneling him hard in the begining so it makes sense for him to get rid of me and at the same trying to make purple look suspicious because both me and random were in his list. I'll post a more detailed analysis of his posts tomorrow, because right now I'm going to bed.
Maybe the mafia are nubs and only killed one.
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Well apparently I suck.
On April 29 2011 20:47 green2 wrote:
Maybe the mafia are nubs and only killed one.
Are you a nub green? Or are you just trying to help blue push protoss?
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On April 29 2011 20:47 green2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 13:57 Blue1 wrote:
Gratz to the medic for doing a great job tonight. Looking at the kill tonight, I have to ask myself who the second target was. After pink's analysis, I think it's very likely that it was me, so assuming me and random were the targets tonight, I wonder who would benefit from this the most. Me and random were on purples list, but he seems to be a vet and wouldn't hit us because that would pretty much make him very suspicious. That makes purple very likely to be town. So the question is, who would benefit from making purple very suspicious?
The best answer I can come up with is newbie mafia protoss. It's a very linear way of thinking. I was tuneling him hard in the begining so it makes sense for him to get rid of me and at the same trying to make purple look suspicious because both me and random were in his list. I'll post a more detailed analysis of his posts tomorrow, because right now I'm going to bed. Maybe the mafia are nubs and only killed one.
What an epic and wonderful contribution, that clearly solidifies your stance on multiple fronts and establishes you as a paragon of town play and good scumhunting!
You aren't helping your case green. Since the point where I made my analysis of you you have yet to actually contribute anything to the town, please explain to me, why shouldn't we lynch you? So far the only thing we have from you is one rather long and fluffy post which has several scummy overtones and a bunch of one-liners that fail to contribute anything.
So, who do you think is scum? Why?
are you going to defend yourself or are you going to continue acting as if nothing were wrong? At this point I'm all for lynching you.
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On April 29 2011 22:01 Orange2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 20:47 green2 wrote:On April 29 2011 13:57 Blue1 wrote:
Gratz to the medic for doing a great job tonight. Looking at the kill tonight, I have to ask myself who the second target was. After pink's analysis, I think it's very likely that it was me, so assuming me and random were the targets tonight, I wonder who would benefit from this the most. Me and random were on purples list, but he seems to be a vet and wouldn't hit us because that would pretty much make him very suspicious. That makes purple very likely to be town. So the question is, who would benefit from making purple very suspicious?
The best answer I can come up with is newbie mafia protoss. It's a very linear way of thinking. I was tuneling him hard in the begining so it makes sense for him to get rid of me and at the same trying to make purple look suspicious because both me and random were in his list. I'll post a more detailed analysis of his posts tomorrow, because right now I'm going to bed. Maybe the mafia are nubs and only killed one. What an epic and wonderful contribution, that clearly solidifies your stance on multiple fronts and establishes you as a paragon of town play and good scumhunting! You aren't helping your case green. Since the point where I made my analysis of you you have yet to actually contribute anything to the town, please explain to me, why shouldn't we lynch you? So far the only thing we have from you is one rather long and fluffy post which has several scummy overtones and a bunch of one-liners that fail to contribute anything. So, who do you think is scum? Why? are you going to defend yourself or are you going to continue acting as if nothing were wrong? At this point I'm all for lynching you.
I'm sheriff, Zerg1 is scum.
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On April 30 2011 00:41 green2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 22:01 Orange2 wrote:On April 29 2011 20:47 green2 wrote:On April 29 2011 13:57 Blue1 wrote:
Gratz to the medic for doing a great job tonight. Looking at the kill tonight, I have to ask myself who the second target was. After pink's analysis, I think it's very likely that it was me, so assuming me and random were the targets tonight, I wonder who would benefit from this the most. Me and random were on purples list, but he seems to be a vet and wouldn't hit us because that would pretty much make him very suspicious. That makes purple very likely to be town. So the question is, who would benefit from making purple very suspicious?
The best answer I can come up with is newbie mafia protoss. It's a very linear way of thinking. I was tuneling him hard in the begining so it makes sense for him to get rid of me and at the same trying to make purple look suspicious because both me and random were in his list. I'll post a more detailed analysis of his posts tomorrow, because right now I'm going to bed. Maybe the mafia are nubs and only killed one. What an epic and wonderful contribution, that clearly solidifies your stance on multiple fronts and establishes you as a paragon of town play and good scumhunting! You aren't helping your case green. Since the point where I made my analysis of you you have yet to actually contribute anything to the town, please explain to me, why shouldn't we lynch you? So far the only thing we have from you is one rather long and fluffy post which has several scummy overtones and a bunch of one-liners that fail to contribute anything. So, who do you think is scum? Why? are you going to defend yourself or are you going to continue acting as if nothing were wrong? At this point I'm all for lynching you. I'm sheriff, Zerg1 is scum.
Just to be clear, this is a serious blue claim, right? This isn't "my gut says" and thus I am a "sheriff" you are claiming Cop .
what result, exactly did Zerg1 return?
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On April 30 2011 00:46 Orange2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 00:41 green2 wrote:On April 29 2011 22:01 Orange2 wrote:On April 29 2011 20:47 green2 wrote:On April 29 2011 13:57 Blue1 wrote:
Gratz to the medic for doing a great job tonight. Looking at the kill tonight, I have to ask myself who the second target was. After pink's analysis, I think it's very likely that it was me, so assuming me and random were the targets tonight, I wonder who would benefit from this the most. Me and random were on purples list, but he seems to be a vet and wouldn't hit us because that would pretty much make him very suspicious. That makes purple very likely to be town. So the question is, who would benefit from making purple very suspicious?
The best answer I can come up with is newbie mafia protoss. It's a very linear way of thinking. I was tuneling him hard in the begining so it makes sense for him to get rid of me and at the same trying to make purple look suspicious because both me and random were in his list. I'll post a more detailed analysis of his posts tomorrow, because right now I'm going to bed. Maybe the mafia are nubs and only killed one. What an epic and wonderful contribution, that clearly solidifies your stance on multiple fronts and establishes you as a paragon of town play and good scumhunting! You aren't helping your case green. Since the point where I made my analysis of you you have yet to actually contribute anything to the town, please explain to me, why shouldn't we lynch you? So far the only thing we have from you is one rather long and fluffy post which has several scummy overtones and a bunch of one-liners that fail to contribute anything. So, who do you think is scum? Why? are you going to defend yourself or are you going to continue acting as if nothing were wrong? At this point I'm all for lynching you. I'm sheriff, Zerg1 is scum. Just to be clear, this is a serious blue claim, right? This isn't "my gut says" and thus I am a "sheriff" you are claiming Cop . what result, exactly did Zerg1 return?
Mafia Roleblocker
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WTF GREEN2, IM NOT SCUM, FOS ON YOU
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On April 26 2011 08:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Cop
Welcome to experiment mafia, you are a cop. each night you may check a players alignment which will be returned with the day post assuming you are still alive.
Roleblocker isn't an alignment.
You are lying.
Lynch all Liars.
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let me just confirm you are lying
[green] RoL, cops' checks return alignments, correct? So a cop checking a vigilante would return town, and a cop checking a mafia goon would return mafia, is this correct? [/blue]
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On April 30 2011 00:55 Orange2 wrote:
let me just confirm you are lying
[green] RoL, cops' checks return alignments, correct? So a cop checking a vigilante would return town, and a cop checking a mafia goon would return mafia, is this correct? [/blue]
YES, HES A LYING SCUM. DEAD SCUM IS DEAD
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green and blue are apparently different colours, good to know
RoL, cops' checks return alignments, correct? So a cop checking a vigilante would return town, and a cop checking a mafia goon would return mafia, is this correct?
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While we wait on that, let us critcaly analyze green's claim, now as I see it there are four possibilities here
1.) Green is a cop, and checked zerg, despite the "minor" inconsistency with his role not working as detailed in the OP, it might be possible, in that case if we lynch him when the ability flips tomorrow we find we have two mafia left and lynch zerg, because in that case we know green was probably not lying
2.) Green is scum, and this is a ballsy play to survive, in that case I would argue red was probably his partner and he wants us to lynch zerg so that when we flip the reveal tomorrow we "confirm" him as the DT. Its a ballsy play if thats the case as he might win the game with it. Otherwise if we lynch zerg on his word and get a return of 2 mafia tomorrow we lynch him
3.) Green is a townie who is fucking with us. If so then he is driving us to case 4, as if we lynch him and the flip the check to see there are 2 mafia left the logical conclusion is to lynch zerg, which if zerg isn't mafia (And if green is a townie he dosn;t know for sure) will cost us the game.
4.) green is a traitor who is trying to get us to waste a lynch on him to bring about lylo with 2 mafia left alive, this is an odd possibility, as I don't think the traitor role is present in this setup, but if its the case and we lynched zerg then him then mafia would win, so I wouldn't discount it as a possibility.
as I see it, its best to lynch green and see the mafia numbers tomorrow, if there are two left we lynch zerg, the only case where this backfires is #3, and #4, which I see as a less than likely scenarios, although they *could* happen I suppose.
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in #4 thats assuming zerg is town, which is what a traitor claiming DT would be aiming for.
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