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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
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kitaman27
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 12 2011 13:00 Conversion wrote: Why would mafia bandwagon a nonscum, or assassin, to pardoner? Someone explain this to me? Either because of the chaos it will cause (and there will be people scrutinizing him every minute of the day, and making accusations of him being scum) , or because he isn't an assassin at all, just a really, really ballsy mafia | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
ITS SO SAD. LOOK AT THIS SHIT On April 12 2011 12:59 urashimakt wrote: As mentioned a bit ago, I'm switching my vote back to Prot now that he's here. ##Unvote DrH ##Vote Prot 100% Wishy Washy Last minute scum bandwagon switch. Hes gonna pretend to fucking vote DOCH LOL And switches at last second. BUT HE SWITCHED TOO SOON THIS IS A LAST SECOND BANDWAGON TO GET MAFIA MAYOR. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On April 12 2011 12:55 chaoser wrote: Is that going to be every cycle? That it'll end at 1 AM EST? Yeah. I forgot to change the OP when I decided that. | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On April 12 2011 13:03 Coagulation wrote: CAUSE HES NOT ASSASSIN HES MAFIA. IT WAS A FAKE CLAIM TO GAIN CRED ITS SO SAD. LOOK AT THIS SHIT 100% Wishy Washy Last minute scum bandwagon switch. Hes gonna pretend to fucking vote DOCH LOL And switches at last second. BUT HE SWITCHED TOO SOON THIS IS A LAST SECOND BANDWAGON TO GET MAFIA MAYOR. It's fine if you accuse me, but please calm down. I moved my vote from Prot because it was a couple hours before showtime and he was probably going to get modkilled. Now that he's here, I still support him for pardoner. I don't have anything else to tell you beyond that. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On April 12 2011 12:59 GMarshal wrote: I dont know for sure, it would be a weird situation for sure, however its not impossible, and as policy we don't give ourselves the chance to lose stupidly. Its like giving coag a bomb, a poor idea. Let me ask you a question, what incentive does the assassin have to actually help town once elected? what is he afraid of, us lynching him? He knows we wont waste a lynch like that. So if you want him to have free reign then sure elect him, otherwise fight for the town, damnit. Assassin has tons of incentive: 1) Not getting his ass lynched (he can't pardon himself) cause he didn't help town Why would we not waste a lynch like that? It's not a wasted lynch. It's a game ending lynch to him. He doesn't want to lose obviously. It's not like his win condition is in direct opposition to ours. It's more like it's in parallel and maybe it like cross ours. I really don't think it will. I'd rather have someone I'm sure is black in office than this WIFOM tip toeing who you be red/green situation. Look how confused town is right now with all it's switch voting. 2) He helps us, we help him. If our DTs find an assassin, we can tell him when and where we want. That's a bargaining chip WE have. Why would he throw that service out the window? You went from no to assassin to maybe to vehemently no again. Can I ask why? I understood the transition for the first switch but what's the transition for the second switch? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On April 12 2011 13:02 GMarshal wrote: Either because of the chaos it will cause (and there will be people scrutinizing him every minute of the day, and making accusations of him being scum) , or because he isn't an assassin at all, just a really, really ballsy mafia He'd be more like a retarded mafia, not a ballsy mafia. All the things that he would have to do to prove himself as "real assassin" would directly benefit town. Fake a shot? Less KP used by mafia (they'd have to stack or something and also this would cause suspicion) Fake a DT claim? We's see through it in a day. We control his actions. Yes he can do against us. But then he automatically loses the game. Why would he do that? | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 12 2011 13:06 chaoser wrote: Assassin has tons of incentive: 1) Not getting his ass lynched (he can't pardon himself) cause he didn't help town Why would we not waste a lynch like that? It's not a wasted lynch. It's a game ending lynch to him. He doesn't want to lose obviously. It's not like his win condition is in direct opposition to ours. It's more like it's in parallel and maybe it like cross ours. I really don't think it will. I'd rather have someone I'm sure is black in office than this WIFOM tip toeing who you be red/green situation. Look how confused town is right now with all it's switch voting. 2) He helps us, we help him. If our DTs find an assassin, we can tell him when and where we want. That's a bargaining chip WE have. Why would he throw that service out the window? You went from no to assassin to maybe to vehemently no again. Can I ask why? I understood the transition for the first switch but what's the transition for the second switch? the first transition was because I did what I do every game and doubted myself, then I realized that if I want to play pro-town I can be feather in the wind and I have to make my own stances, thats also the reason for the blue list and my accusations of kita. in response to 1 and 2 1.) It absolutely is a wasted lynch, any easy lynch or a lynch that dosn't get scum is a wasted lynch. Mislynching is bad, but it gives information if town decided to hang protac it would be a wagon with no information, it would be just as bad as him getting off a pardon 2.) therefore we dont have a bargaining chip, if we protect him he is *not* obligated to help us, in fact I' m sure he'll come up with plenty of reasons why who he thinks are assassins are scum to get us to lynch them, and the town being mindless sheep probably will. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
Don't vote for proct. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On April 12 2011 13:11 Lemonwalrus wrote: The assassin does not have the same win condition as us. He will help us (or more likely make it look like he is helping us) in so far as we can get him closer to his win condition. If we vote proct in as mayor or pardoner we will be putting quite a few of the proverbial marbles into the hands of a man that does not have our best interests at heart. He wants meatshield bodyguards, and he is willing to promise you whatever it takes to get them. Don't vote for proct. I guess it comes down to trust and I trust prot as an assassin more than GM/DrH as ???. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 12 2011 13:16 Kenpachi wrote: mmm looks like something isnt going right. my vote on the wrong guy? I dont think so, but I am partial to myself since I know my alignment, if you want theres a nice third party assassin that dosn't share our objectives who is just drooling over your vote as his life depends on it. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
1.) It absolutely is a wasted lynch, any easy lynch or a lynch that dosn't get scum is a wasted lynch. Mislynching is bad, but it gives information if town decided to hang protac it would be a wagon with no information, it would be just as bad as him getting off a pardon 1) We'd never want to mislynch for info anyway. 2) By the time it comes to a situation where we need to lynch him, we'd already have used his two shots and his check. I think that's a profit for us. Sorry you don't see it the same way. I'm sticking my vote on him. We talk about analysts and leaders for mayor and he's clearly shown that not only does he know how to analyse a situation with his previous posts but also that he's good at it. Much more than you are, no offense. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:39 Jackal58 wrote: Bigger question. Why did Pandain quit? If somebody replaces him I'll bet ya 20 bucks they're scum. The only reason Pandain would quit is because his scum team told him to. The guy is shameless. If he was town he'd Barney Fife his was as long as he could. Somebody told him to gtfo. Serejai is an intentional idiot. I hate people like him. I wouldn't be surprised if pandain asked for replacement because of the horrible abuse he got in the thread. Protact claims assassin day 1, people say "ooh, ballsy". Pandain claims DT day 1, people jump all over his ass. The level of vitriole went too far, I'm glad BB put a stop to it, but i'm sad he had too... On April 12 2011 08:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: good meta on kenpachi lolololololol i am of the firm opinion that kenpachi is so uniquely bad at mafia that attempting to analyse him is absolutely worthless. I don't even read his posts tbh i skip over them completely he could have been talking about how I am an asshole and like to wear panties and i wouldn't even know only in a desperate lategame situation will i attempt to analyse anything he writes More personal attacks... This isn't necessary or helpful DrH. Look how protact does it when he says he's ignoring pandain. Do better please. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On April 12 2011 12:54 GMarshal wrote: Kita I think your supporters have to move their votes to me to make sure that the assassin dosn't get into the town elected roles. On April 12 2011 12:56 GMarshal wrote: Damnit, I was hoping to be able to go to bed without having to fight for the town for another hour. I am as always your immortal servant town, so I wont allow you to fuck up! These two posts disturb me. The first one, says "Hey guys, switch votes to me so I can be mayor!", and the second is you trying to reaffirm your towniness. Honestly, these rub me the wrong way, and they look like you're trying to make some last bid to get into first place and secure the mayorship. It doesn't look like a town move, but more like scum trying to fear monger. I'm not sure how comfortable I am with you in office now.  | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On April 12 2011 13:15 chaoser wrote: I guess it comes down to trust and I trust prot as an assassin more than GM/DrH as ???. What does trust have to do with anything? He has flat out admitted that he is the assassin. He wants people to die as quickly as possible, which means keeping mafia away from the lynch, so that they have full KP as long as possible, is quite obviously his best play. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On April 12 2011 13:18 GMarshal wrote: I dont think so, but I am partial to myself since I know my alignment, if you want theres a nice third party assassin that dosn't share our objectives who is just drooling over your vote as his life depends on it. im against voting Protact cause 1. He has KP 2. Assassins will kill him instead of a townie. 3. A KP disperses from the game entirely 4. The Endgame is easier. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On April 12 2011 13:18 GMarshal wrote: I dont think so, but I am partial to myself since I know my alignment, if you want theres a nice third party assassin that dosn't share our objectives who is just drooling over your vote as his life depends on it. See there it is again. You've NEVER antagonized and vilified someone like that before. Your posts are usually just straight talk express. This game I've been getting weird vibes. Hope you ain't pulling a McCain. | ||
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