EPTgonna wait to analyze that until everyone votes i guess. XD
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
gonna wait to analyze that until everyone votes i guess. XD | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
Doesn't matter to me. I'll not use it. That is what the thread is for. | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
As such, I don't have access to irc during the day, and reading logs will take for ever and analysing them will require more time to format properly. This makes it harder for me to play... Not to mention I would most likely not be able to join the irc chat often. Not to mention how cluttered the thread will look once the logs are posted... I guess if everyone else wants one I don't mind... Just don't call me scum if I donKt participate in it very much. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Bum slipped hard early on, so he claimed blue. This opened up an opportunity for him to act as a mouth for the blues and lets us get a confirmed townie as mayor (assuming no counterclaim, if there is a counter claim I will re-assess the situation). And a confirmed townie as Mayor lets us get Lynch 1 under our control. However, kavdragon makes a convincing argument, and I know that when I'm scum I usually try to snipe the best hunters first, so protecting them is a must. Hopefully, when roles are revealed, there will be some Medics/Doctors who can protect our best analysts. But they could also be used to protect bum. Brownbear's analysis of bum's situation was good, but I think a little flawed. Its worth trading N blues for N scum, and so if Bum really is blue, the best thing that could happen is that scum counter claims. However, if there is a CC, the other blues shouldn't back up bum. 2 for 1 Blue to Scum isn't a good trade imo, and we'll have to lynch 1 blue at least. Scum doesn't have to keep claiming up to 4-4. Currently, my vote is split between bum and kav, although I think if bum shows decent analysis d1 he'd steal my vote. | ||
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
type like this in irc, then I have to read a very long log. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On March 25 2011 02:26 ilovejonn wrote: I just want one place I have to look at to go through with everything. Besides, people type like this in irc, then I have to read a very long log. This is an excellent point. I'm going to go vote no on the poll now | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
One thing that is worrying me right now is Jackal. I had previously pegged him as probably town with Coag just making a huge scum slip by saying that Jackal was confirmed. However with his sudden opposition to Bum I'm getting more suspicious of him. At this point there really isn't a reason not to vote for Bum unless you're not town allied and don't want a confirmed mayor. I'd also like to point out that not only is Jackal's "focus on the item game" plan was originally Chaoser's, I just qouted it and reiterated it when I decided to vote for him. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 25 2011 02:26 ilovejonn wrote: I just want one place I have to look at to go through with everything. Besides, people type like this in irc, then I have to read a very long log. We can just tell people not to type like this if they do...Just cause it's hard to read through doesn't mean it's not useful. It's an added feature, just cause you won't use it cause you don't want to deal with massive logs doesn't mean others won't. | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On March 25 2011 02:27 iGrok wrote: This is an excellent point. I'm going to go vote no on the poll now That's totally what the channel I'm currently in looks like because of me. :D | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Ok so Chaoser withdrew but that's fine because the Bum campaign has cleared up a lot of the concerns I had namely how it's impossible to win the claim trade. Bum is probably our best bet for all the reasons people have already stated so I wont parrot them off. I'm actually still in it, at least until bum's situation is cleared via time and no one cc'ing. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On March 25 2011 02:39 chaoser wrote: I'm actually still in it, at least until bum's situation is cleared via time and no one cc'ing. Oh alright I interpreted that as a withdraw. No offense but I'll still be voting Bum  | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 25 2011 02:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok so Chaoser withdrew but that's fine because the Bum campaign has cleared up a lot of the concerns I had namely how it's impossible to win the claim trade. Bum is probably our best bet for all the reasons people have already stated so I wont parrot them off. One thing that is worrying me right now is Jackal. I had previously pegged him as probably town with Coag just making a huge scum slip by saying that Jackal was confirmed. However with his sudden opposition to Bum I'm getting more suspicious of him. At this point there really isn't a reason not to vote for Bum unless you're not town allied and don't want a confirmed mayor. I'd also like to point out that not only is Jackal's "focus on the item game" plan was originally Chaoser's, I just qouted it and reiterated it when I decided to vote for him. I saw that a little while ago. Didn't mean to give credit where credit isn't due. I'm only opposed to Bum because it is just too damned convenient. I don't put much faith in oopsy look what I did. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Also I think we have a few people who aren't posting, I bet these are the people who are oh so busy chatting with their scum buddies about how to deal with the current situation, I propose a lurker be the person our mayor lynches (assuming we don't find a jucier target)! | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
As far as the bum/not bum vote, I think bum is the best bet for the town for reasons that have already been discussed at length. (the biggest one for me being that I think if he wasn't blue by now one of the real blues would have surely counter-claimed) (If you are a blue and therefore know that bum isn't, please, there is no reason for you not to counter claim) So unless someone gives one hell of a compelling reason for me not to I intend to vote bum. As far as the irc channels goes, well, gather round fellas, because I may be new to mafia, but I am an old hand at irc. I think having an irc for this is a very bad idea. Basically, it is just a more fast paced version of the forum which, on the one hand i know we all think 'well that is good it gives the scum more of a chance to fuck up and reveal themselves when they are under the gun' but the thing is, everyone will fuck up sooner or later. I'm sure if we do an irc channel literally everyone that participates will, sooner or later, say something that convinces someone that they are scum. That is what happens when you are able to share information without thinking hard about it first. (for instance, look at my signature...do you think any of those guys (besides aesop) would have said those things if they had had time to re-read it before clicking a post button?) Also, I see a major component of the irc channel debate will be 'x isn't active in irc, he must be scum' or 'x is too active in irc, he must be scum' basically wifom madness imo, since with imperfect data either choice will put suspicion on a player and, since town outnumbers scum, more suspicion floating around should benefit scum. So I vote no on irc and yes on bum, and the above are my reasons. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On March 25 2011 03:05 Insanious wrote: @GMarshal, you also have to take into consideration perople from other time zones... Or people like me that only have 2 posts since I'm at work and can't be on TL all the time This is true, however I have no way of telling if you are at work or just lurking scum, this I'll have to judge by the quality of your posts, for example Ver/Ser Aspi in the last game posted infrequently but his posts were really great contributions. A lurker isn't someone who isn't posting its someone like Lemonwalrus ATM who is posting without giving us anything to work with. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 25 2011 03:03 GMarshal wrote: Well, allow me to say that I don't think IRC is a good idea its far too easy to impersonate someone else, with posts we can be 100% sure that the person saying something is the actual person whose name appears on the post. Also bum has my full support barring a counterclaim, I urge all other candidates to withdraw. Also I think we have a few people who aren't posting, I bet these are the people who are oh so busy chatting with their scum buddies about how to deal with the current situation, I propose a lurker be the person our mayor lynches (assuming we don't find a jucier target)! Hmm, that's very true about impersonating someone... And in line with the lurker lynch idea 1. Coagulation Posting 2. darmousseh Banned 3. Jackal58 Posting 4. annul Posting 5. Tackster NOT POSTING 6. Lemonwalrus NOT POSTING People in the item game have a vested reason to post in thread cause it helps them gain info as well as allows themselves to come under scrutiny from town itself. Those that aren't contributing are playing decidedly anti town since we can't read you, nor can your fellow item players read you. It's close to 24 hours already and Tackster and Lemonwalrus have not posted that much as all. Please contribute more~ | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
 (((((Also I hadn't even thought of the impersonating people on irc thing that GMarshal brought up in his post. That is yet another convolution that irc will bring to the process. (although if we caught someone impersonating it would make it pretty obvious they were scum...so a potential for reward if a scum were to be so bold as to impersonate someone) I think the real problem with the irc is that there is such a thing as too much information when you are trying to make a decision. If we have pages and pages of posts and pages and pages of irc logs to go by, 2 sides could make bulletproof arguments for one person being scum/not scum, and it could be almost impossible to tell who was right with any sort of objectivity. Also....picking through irc logs sounds really tedious. I know that has no importance in the function of the game, but I just feel it will be less fun with a mountain of irc logs...and I kinda want to have fun. | ||
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