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On April 03 2011 16:29 Kenpachi wrote: oh and just if youre wondering, i lost my other bomb on iGrok "Lost?"
How do you lose a bomb? iGrok was killed by an assassin, no?
On April 03 2011 16:37 kevconsim wrote: kavdragons black
How can you possibly know this and why haven't you given us a reason as to why he is black?
I'll be back in the morning. Damn dehydration migraines. I think that maybe ilovejonn's plan isn't too bad. I'll see what we all come up with tomorrow.
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On April 03 2011 17:31 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 16:29 Kenpachi wrote: oh and just if youre wondering, i lost my other bomb on iGrok "Lost?" How do you lose a bomb? iGrok was killed by an assassin, no? How can you possibly know this and why haven't you given us a reason as to why he is black? I'll be back in the morning. Damn dehydration migraines. I think that maybe ilovejonn's plan isn't too bad. I'll see what we all come up with tomorrow. thats what LSB told me
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Lanaia youre asking dumb questions.
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On April 03 2011 17:33 Kenpachi wrote: Lanaia youre asking dumb questions.
Please explain. I was asking how it was lost. I don't necessarily fully understand your role.
I was merely asking kevconsim for some reasoning. That isn't dumb.
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On April 03 2011 17:33 Kenpachi wrote: Lanaia youre asking dumb questions.
Says the guy who put his bombs on two townies.
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On April 03 2011 17:39 Lanaia wrote:Please explain. I was asking how it was lost. I don't necessarily fully understand your role. I was merely asking kevconsim for some reasoning. That isn't dumb.
If a mad hatter puts his bomb on someone, and that person dies (not to the bomb) they lose the bomb. He's probably saying that he had a bomb on iGrok, but the assassin killed iGrok, so he lost his bomb. (They usually have two)
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looks like the shits hit the fan. will be interesting to see how this resolves itself.
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regarding the RPGs:
They represent a KP by themselves. They are also a KP modifier, so if they are used together with another KP they go through bulletproof or any kind of protection.
So by themselves they are 1 kp. If used together they go through bulletproof (using 2 rpgs I mean). Or it can be used with a regular kp + rpg to go through bulletproof.
But that's pretty irrelevant since the blues have them, so they'll probably use them 1-for-each.
I am totally for killing the mad hatters, but I suggest you really think the targets through.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2011 17:27 Kavdragon wrote: Looks like I'm not long for this world, so here's my last push.
Based off the information we now have from the black market, it is apparent that blacks are ahead. We need to know more about the items they now posses. Firstly, Cubedin, you guys had the RPG's, can you confirm that they are a KP? Is there anything special about them? Second, do we know how many vests there are? Regardless, it seems very unlikely that will be able to kill blacks with KP other than lynches.
On that note, our NUMBER ONE priority is to LYNCH BLACKS. Thankfully LSB gave us a beautiful gift: the double lynch that is the Arena. Now, as long as you guys concentrate on using the lynch for Blacks, and using your Night KP for reds, we can still pull out a town victory. Town came from behind with some solid analysis and good hunting in XXXVI, and we can do the same thing and win here. However, this will require effort on everyone's part.
Now, I've been thinking about blacks since Meapak died. I defended him because he was doing analysis, but he was on my black list also. Now that he's flipped red, I've had to re-evaluate how the black team is likely to play. Meapak and I were the two people doing analysis, and he flipped red, and I know that I'm green. I cannot accept the heuristic that I have been using for black any longer.
There's a crucial problem that I hadn't thought of: SK's are super pro-town because they HAVE to survive till the end, and they cannot be roleblocked. This means that they must avoid the lynch at all costs. This game is much different than that, because they have a team of players, who can influence and help. This makes them similar to a mafia team, with less members but with BPV's to make up for that. It seems to me, that this game will function more like a game with two mafia families in it.
So how do we figure out the mafia from the blacks if they are both acting like mafia? The first way that i can think of is analysis on the connections between known scum. I don't mean things as obvious as support/callingout, these things could be set up of course, I'm talking about the tone people take with others, do they FoS some people differently than others? Find unusual connections. The second way is back checking people to see if they were making decisions or revealing information that they shouldn't have. For instance, assuming that the blacks actually gave us the names of scum, we know that they knew that before hand. Was anyone overly suspicious of Amberlight and Orgolove? Did they have good reasoning as to why they were their number one suspects?
Assuming that bombs do NOT kill blacks, lynching ilovejohn seems like a bad idea at this point. Heh. Call me scum for opposing your plan, but i don't care I'm going to die in few hours and you'll see. As a townie, I will say that lynching ilovejohn is the wrong call right now. We need to lynch blacks, and if bombs can't do that, then we should have Coag shoot him or something. It's 4-3 right now, and if we kill many more scum, the balance will be upset badly. CubEdIn is dead on when he says we need to whittle them down evenly. The only way that we can realistically kill black is by lynch now, this means that they are practically guaranteed to survive for three more days, and every day we don't lynch one extends that.
I wish I had more time to do analysis, but since I've been cut short, I'll simply say that i suspect Tnkted is black, and I suspect that Lanaia is also black. Meapak did analysis and he was scum. This does not mean that analysis is scummy. Analysis is, and always will be the key to victory, and I hope you guys start using it more.
GL town, looks like you'll be needing it. Lanaia is almost 100% definitely not black. She may have a separate win condition than town but she is not black. Put a bomb on Pandain.
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On April 03 2011 21:46 Jackal58 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2011 17:27 Kavdragon wrote: Looks like I'm not long for this world, so here's my last push.
Based off the information we now have from the black market, it is apparent that blacks are ahead. We need to know more about the items they now posses. Firstly, Cubedin, you guys had the RPG's, can you confirm that they are a KP? Is there anything special about them? Second, do we know how many vests there are? Regardless, it seems very unlikely that will be able to kill blacks with KP other than lynches.
On that note, our NUMBER ONE priority is to LYNCH BLACKS. Thankfully LSB gave us a beautiful gift: the double lynch that is the Arena. Now, as long as you guys concentrate on using the lynch for Blacks, and using your Night KP for reds, we can still pull out a town victory. Town came from behind with some solid analysis and good hunting in XXXVI, and we can do the same thing and win here. However, this will require effort on everyone's part.
Now, I've been thinking about blacks since Meapak died. I defended him because he was doing analysis, but he was on my black list also. Now that he's flipped red, I've had to re-evaluate how the black team is likely to play. Meapak and I were the two people doing analysis, and he flipped red, and I know that I'm green. I cannot accept the heuristic that I have been using for black any longer.
There's a crucial problem that I hadn't thought of: SK's are super pro-town because they HAVE to survive till the end, and they cannot be roleblocked. This means that they must avoid the lynch at all costs. This game is much different than that, because they have a team of players, who can influence and help. This makes them similar to a mafia team, with less members but with BPV's to make up for that. It seems to me, that this game will function more like a game with two mafia families in it.
So how do we figure out the mafia from the blacks if they are both acting like mafia? The first way that i can think of is analysis on the connections between known scum. I don't mean things as obvious as support/callingout, these things could be set up of course, I'm talking about the tone people take with others, do they FoS some people differently than others? Find unusual connections. The second way is back checking people to see if they were making decisions or revealing information that they shouldn't have. For instance, assuming that the blacks actually gave us the names of scum, we know that they knew that before hand. Was anyone overly suspicious of Amberlight and Orgolove? Did they have good reasoning as to why they were their number one suspects?
Assuming that bombs do NOT kill blacks, lynching ilovejohn seems like a bad idea at this point. Heh. Call me scum for opposing your plan, but i don't care I'm going to die in few hours and you'll see. As a townie, I will say that lynching ilovejohn is the wrong call right now. We need to lynch blacks, and if bombs can't do that, then we should have Coag shoot him or something. It's 4-3 right now, and if we kill many more scum, the balance will be upset badly. CubEdIn is dead on when he says we need to whittle them down evenly. The only way that we can realistically kill black is by lynch now, this means that they are practically guaranteed to survive for three more days, and every day we don't lynch one extends that.
I wish I had more time to do analysis, but since I've been cut short, I'll simply say that i suspect Tnkted is black, and I suspect that Lanaia is also black. Meapak did analysis and he was scum. This does not mean that analysis is scummy. Analysis is, and always will be the key to victory, and I hope you guys start using it more.
GL town, looks like you'll be needing it. Lanaia is almost 100% definitely not black. She may have a separate win condition than town but she is not black. Put a bomb on Pandain.
What did your check return as?
and kav, i'm not black. For the record, I think we should take the bomb off kav because hes right: hes been posting good analyzsis and as long as hes doing that (ie, as long as there are more reds in the game than blacks) I'm ok with him living. However, since hes accusing lanaia and myself after I think we've both demonstrated how green we are, I'm not personally going to believe a word he says.
I'm also down with putting the extra bomb on pandain, amber[light], and orgolove.
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On April 03 2011 22:29 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 21:46 Jackal58 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2011 17:27 Kavdragon wrote: Looks like I'm not long for this world, so here's my last push.
Based off the information we now have from the black market, it is apparent that blacks are ahead. We need to know more about the items they now posses. Firstly, Cubedin, you guys had the RPG's, can you confirm that they are a KP? Is there anything special about them? Second, do we know how many vests there are? Regardless, it seems very unlikely that will be able to kill blacks with KP other than lynches.
On that note, our NUMBER ONE priority is to LYNCH BLACKS. Thankfully LSB gave us a beautiful gift: the double lynch that is the Arena. Now, as long as you guys concentrate on using the lynch for Blacks, and using your Night KP for reds, we can still pull out a town victory. Town came from behind with some solid analysis and good hunting in XXXVI, and we can do the same thing and win here. However, this will require effort on everyone's part.
Now, I've been thinking about blacks since Meapak died. I defended him because he was doing analysis, but he was on my black list also. Now that he's flipped red, I've had to re-evaluate how the black team is likely to play. Meapak and I were the two people doing analysis, and he flipped red, and I know that I'm green. I cannot accept the heuristic that I have been using for black any longer.
There's a crucial problem that I hadn't thought of: SK's are super pro-town because they HAVE to survive till the end, and they cannot be roleblocked. This means that they must avoid the lynch at all costs. This game is much different than that, because they have a team of players, who can influence and help. This makes them similar to a mafia team, with less members but with BPV's to make up for that. It seems to me, that this game will function more like a game with two mafia families in it.
So how do we figure out the mafia from the blacks if they are both acting like mafia? The first way that i can think of is analysis on the connections between known scum. I don't mean things as obvious as support/callingout, these things could be set up of course, I'm talking about the tone people take with others, do they FoS some people differently than others? Find unusual connections. The second way is back checking people to see if they were making decisions or revealing information that they shouldn't have. For instance, assuming that the blacks actually gave us the names of scum, we know that they knew that before hand. Was anyone overly suspicious of Amberlight and Orgolove? Did they have good reasoning as to why they were their number one suspects?
Assuming that bombs do NOT kill blacks, lynching ilovejohn seems like a bad idea at this point. Heh. Call me scum for opposing your plan, but i don't care I'm going to die in few hours and you'll see. As a townie, I will say that lynching ilovejohn is the wrong call right now. We need to lynch blacks, and if bombs can't do that, then we should have Coag shoot him or something. It's 4-3 right now, and if we kill many more scum, the balance will be upset badly. CubEdIn is dead on when he says we need to whittle them down evenly. The only way that we can realistically kill black is by lynch now, this means that they are practically guaranteed to survive for three more days, and every day we don't lynch one extends that.
I wish I had more time to do analysis, but since I've been cut short, I'll simply say that i suspect Tnkted is black, and I suspect that Lanaia is also black. Meapak did analysis and he was scum. This does not mean that analysis is scummy. Analysis is, and always will be the key to victory, and I hope you guys start using it more.
GL town, looks like you'll be needing it. Lanaia is almost 100% definitely not black. She may have a separate win condition than town but she is not black. Put a bomb on Pandain. What did your check return as?
If she wishes to disclose it that's on her. I'm waiting a bit to see if any of the mechanics of her role reveal themselves. For right now I gotta believe it is not in towns best interest to put that info into play. Not because it might get her killed but because it might cost town the game. Just don't lynch her or blow her ass up.
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And just to clarify my DT item returns Role. Not alignment. Coags returns alignment. Good luck getting him to use it though. He has a fucking gun.
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Oh ok i thought you had alignment checking. I think I know what her role is anyway.
are we not posting who we are lynching in the thread anymore? we should really be doing that still. I voted ilovejohn
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Can items be role blocked? Cause like I don't really have a role.
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On April 03 2011 15:28 tnkted wrote: can hatter bombs kill blacks during the day? No
On April 03 2011 23:34 Jackal58 wrote: Can items be role blocked? Cause like I don't really have a role. Yes
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Day 4.1
Hi I'm Kenpachi an I'm your friendly neighborhood hatter and unlike what other people say about me I'm quiet sane and I’m very methodical I can’t speak for my brother but all I know is that my targets were well thought out and well placed and I am so confident so I will prove it to you by blowing myself up.
A loud explosion was heard in the distance
Kenpachi the Really Mad Hatter has died Role PM
You are the Really Mad Hatter! Once per night, you may plant a bomb on someone or switch the bomb with someone else, and they will go off if you die. At any point of time you can commit suicide by posting in thread ##Suicide. You have two bombs.
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So we either confirm a black, kill a red, or kill a townie if we lynch ilovejohn.
I mean, I think we're obligated to at this point but we better try to aim at reds.
Blacks, now would be a great time to come out of the woodwork, or risk revealing yourselves when the bombs go off.
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Wait, what? who did ken target?
also LSB, you hilarious asshole:
==Official LSB Banking Note== I am putting a Kill Contract on Annul. If will pay money if you kill Annul before day 2 Commence bidding on how much money I will pay you for the completion of the kill. Maximum bid is 2,000,000, lowest bid wins.
If you want to save annul, pay me 1,000,000 Kronos and I will withdraw the contract.
I am willing to pay hazard pay of 1,000,000 Kronos should someone die trying to complete the job
Bidding will take place here in the black market quicktopic.
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