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Ok, so I was reading through the Quicktopic, and wondering why there were only two names given to Cubed and Bum by the black team, and if cubed was right when he said they're lying. At the beginning, it said this:
-There are three parties that have access to the black market. One town aligned. One third party aligned. One Mafia aligned.
-There are nine people who can make deals in the black market. There are three per alignment. They are the Mafia Drug Runner, Mafia Treasurer, Mafia Godfather, Police Commissioner, Police Undercover Agent, Police Cheif, Third Party Arms Dealer, Third Party Banker, Third Party CEO
So, unless Lemonwalrus was one of those, the third party should have been been given three names. They only released two, neither of which was the GF, why?
One possible explanation I found:
Please note, on the list of players I will send, the name of the godfather/police chief will be potentially unreliable. However, because there are only 2 blue members left, I am able to figure out the police chief. In addition, please allow up to 24 hours to process the order for people other than the police chief. Thank you for your business
What does LSB mean here when he says potentially unreliable?
From the names and the death of Meapak last night, it adds up to three, the GF and two others. So we need to figure out why they didn't release the name of the GF. It says that the name was "potentially unreliable", so maybe that means they got a different name other than Meapak, or a random name. However, it doesn't make much sense for them to not release the name anyways, since they wouldn't care if a townie/red were shot/lynched instead of the actual GF, since it still wastes hostile KP. So maybe they never got the name of the GF at all, and that's why?
I was already convinced that Amber is scum. Part of this came from Meapak's analysis, but even if he was GF, his points still make sense. It also makes sense that at least one of his analysis were done on a scum for credibility later in the game, and so his role flip shouldn't clear anyone based on his analysis. Like coag just said, it's a good idea to pressure your scum-buddies to throw people off when you flip, and if I might add, to gain you credibility when they flip.
As such, I'm going to say Amber would be a good lynch today to see if the list is correct or not. At best, we kill a mafia, at worst we lose a lurker who isn't contributing.
However, it might instead be in our best interests to try to find a black player for our lynch, as it seems like they're very strong right now, and we need to do something about that.
So, I propose this:
We try to find a black today, either through analysis, abilities, or unexamined slips. If we're able to find one for certain, we lynch them. However, if we can't find anyone like that, or can't make a convincing enough case, we should lynch Amber, as he is very likely to be scum, and it would help confirm or disqualify the list the black team gave to cubed/bum. A dead scum for nearly certain is better than uncertainly lynching a possible town.
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Or we can...
Lynch me today!
Remember this?
On April 02 2011 03:11 ilovejonn wrote:
Bomb 1: Beneather
Bomb 2: Orgolove
great post =D
Night was coming in and I fear that I would have died therefore I placed my bombs during that time. Coincidentally it was A.pril F.ools and I said "great post" in order for scum to not role block me and just night kill me. *I don't know why A.pril F.ools still auto changes since it's like April 3rd TL time*
Who am I and Why trust me:
Original Message From kitaman27:
You are the Day Hatter! You are like your brother, the mad hatter, but you're an attention whore. You can only bomb people during the day, so if you want to use one of your bombs you have to post in the thread Bomb 1: LSB or Bomb 2: LSB. The bombs will only explode once you die.
My bombs can be ROLEBLOCKED and it will not go off. This is crucial. What this means is that in order to safely get my bombs off, getting lynched during the day is the best option. Since I'm a Day Hatter, I have to post in the thread about who to bomb, and if I really land one on a scum and they believe I'm hatter, they can just roleblock and night kill me.
Basically, I am willing to sacrifice myself to kill two other people. Who those 2 may be is probably up to you guys to decide, BUT we clearly have a bunch of FOS'd and scummy players lurking about. Orgolove and Beneather were my first 2 targets. However, Beneather is now a Bot and is in the Arena. I am willing to let the Arena players deal with him. If they don't clearly it will make them look scummy.
Here is my FOS list:
4. Kenpachi - Bomb target
6. Kavdragon - fos (black read)
11. orgolove - Bomb target
15. kevconsim - Bomb target
20. Amber[LighT] - FOS Bomb target
26. Lanaia - she's a girl FOS (this is jk don't atk me about this but if she's scum gg)
28. Beneather - Bomb target (now in Arena though)
30. Eiii - inactive FOS, Bomb target
The others are editted out so don't ask me where 1. and 2. etc are. Now I feel that I want to keep Bomb#1 on Orgolove. You guys don't need to ask me why, ask yourselves and read their posts, I'm not sacrificing myself and doing analysis for you. #2 is up for debate because clearly there are more than 1 scum. It comes down to whether you guys want to plant the bomb on a RED player or a BLACK player.
Amber has been lurking like crazy, Kenpachi plays like scum as always, kevconsim is playing like his first game where he doesn't know anything and doesn't post useful content at all.
Kavdragon is hard to say, he can be town/black but I haven't seen him done great analysis and lead the town like he did in that other mafia game where he was Mayor. My gut tells me he's black because even though he seems quite pro-town, his posts to me, seem like they are holding back a lot.
Then there's Eiii and Lanaia.
If it were my choice, it would be Bomb1: Orgolove, Bomb2: kevconsim/Kenpachi. As someone said before (forgot who), we don't want a guy who just posts 1-liners and doesn't contribute to go into late game. At least the others have understandable and coherent posts, but Kevconsim and Kenpachi sometimes types things that I don't even understand. Again the bomb targets are up for debate. On to the next part.
Vote me and be safe!
If we are going to make this work, EVERYONE needs to vote me. Of course if you're town-aligned you should vote for me, but what about scum you say? Well, since I outted myself for this whole bomb thing to happen, if there's someone that doesn't want to vote for me, BAM instant-FOS. This is a fool-proof plan but if even townies don't vote for me then I'm done.
Here is what I mean. I've placed the black market votings into consideration. There are 19 players left, 12 are green, 7 are scum (red/black). Clearly the scum won't want to vote for someone else other than me as it places them into a clear FOS spot. The best situation is clearly having 19 votes on me ensuring that the bombs go off. I do not believe that they have enough of their Krodon? currency to place 20 anonymous votes on me, and even if they do fine, you've just used all of those precious key voting powers on a single townie.
Conclusion
Remember what I said, if you're green vote for me. If you're not go ahead and vote someone else and see if you get lynched the next day or not. I dare you, scum. ò_ó
As time goes on and more people die during the night, I feel that my chances of getting myself lynched decreases. I felt like this was the best time to reveal all this now, and well, if you guys don't like this, then I'm fucked.
I'm going to place my bombs on my preferred targets for now in case anything IRL comes up like my Internet dying or something. We still have plenty of time however.
Bomb1: Orgolove
Bomb2: kevconsim
Also, if you thought of something that would ruin my plans, please tell me because I wrote this when I was really sleepy. I repeat, bomb targets ARE UP FOR DEBATE DEBATE DEBATE!
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I'm convinced.
#vote ilovejonn
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also... what?
On April 03 2011 11:58 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote Kenpachi
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bomb 2 should be Amber[LighT] IMO
anyway im all for it.
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can hatter bombs kill blacks during the day?
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i would imagine.
bullet proof =/= bomb proof
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I'm playing so badly even getting blue-confirmed still nearly gets me bombed by our hatter 
So we pretty much have to lynch ilj today-- hopefully it goes well!
Oh, you can still move bombs around as many times as you want during the day, right? That'd be much better :D
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I don't think we should kill both amber and orgo unless we trust what the blacks said to be certain or have no other targets. I think this is a good plan still, though.
Can the bombs kill Black players?
They're "Bulletproof", so I'm wondering if it can even hurt them, because it might change our considerations a bit. However, if they don't die then we still know we've found scum.
So what do people think of targets?
I say
1: Orgo/Amber
2: kev/ken
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Keep discussing, I will probably post more tmr because it is 3 am here and I'm going to bed. If you're in another time zone and posts are slowing down don't be discouraged!
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And I would assume I get to move bombs to other targets as long as the bombs have not detonated. Wouldn't be fair if I placed it on someone and the someone suddenly claims townie and I can't change my bomb am i rite?
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Yo Jonn. lets go down together.
##suicide
Good Bye. Kavdragon
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after all we are brothers. 
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oh and just if youre wondering, i lost my other bomb on iGrok
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On April 03 2011 16:27 Kenpachi wrote:
Yo Jonn. lets go down together.
##suicide
Good Bye. Kavdragon
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/hsVkQ.jpg)
Seriously? Did you even analyse me, or is this a gut feeling? Fail.
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GAH. I wanted to sleep now, but doesn't look like I'll have that luxury. LSB, stay away for a while please. I'll try to get out my last drop before he get's back.
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United States22154 Posts
BOOM!
Kavdragon the Planeswalker from the seventh dimension and Kenpachi the Reality Bender are dead
This is his role PM
Welcome to Insane Mafia 2! you are the Planeswalker from the Seventh Dimension
You are out to stop the forces of evil that have invaded liquidia, you win when the necromancer , the lich and the undead horde are dead, if at any point those three players are dead you win and are removed from the game (you may first at your discretion trigger any of your powers, and/or kill up to 3 players)
to help you in your task you have 5 unique powers
1.) Dimensional Jump- at any point in the game you may jump one day in the future disappearing from the thread for 72 hours (one full day and night) and reappearing as if nothing had happened when that time is over. While you are gone you may not be the target of any effects, votes or powers you are effectivley considered to not be in the game. You may use this power once
2.) Temporal distortion- you immediately end the day and the night lasts as long as however many hours remained in the day + 24 hours. The player with the most votes is lynched as usual, any effects that would take place at the end of the day do so as usual . You may only use this power once
3.) One last shot- the first time you would be lynched the day is reset as if nothing had happened, if you are lynched again they you are out of luck and die as usual
4.) reflective plating- all kp targeted on you are reflected back at the person shooting them at you, this does not apply to explosives
5.) undead sense- if any undead player mentions you in their quick topic you are immediately notified of their identity
Welcome to Insane Mafia 2! you are the Reality Bender
You are batshit insane! you win with the town (although you are unsure of what exactly that means)!
Due to your deluded mental state you aren't quite sure of what reality consists of, for this reason once per day I will make a statement you make in one of your posts into reality, assuming it is within reason (which is entirely up to me ^_^). Once per game you may choose which statement you want me to make into reality, but the stress on your mind will kill you. Just post ##Suicide and PM me which statement you wish to turn into a truth, if its out of the boundaries of what I consider reasonable it fails and you still die. Choose wisely (remember this can affect alignments, and change powers so its quite a powerful role)
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Looks like I'm not long for this world, so here's my last push.
Based off the information we now have from the black market, it is apparent that blacks are ahead. We need to know more about the items they now posses. Firstly, Cubedin, you guys had the RPG's, can you confirm that they are a KP? Is there anything special about them? Second, do we know how many vests there are? Regardless, it seems very unlikely that will be able to kill blacks with KP other than lynches.
On that note, our NUMBER ONE priority is to LYNCH BLACKS. Thankfully LSB gave us a beautiful gift: the double lynch that is the Arena. Now, as long as you guys concentrate on using the lynch for Blacks, and using your Night KP for reds, we can still pull out a town victory. Town came from behind with some solid analysis and good hunting in XXXVI, and we can do the same thing and win here. However, this will require effort on everyone's part.
Now, I've been thinking about blacks since Meapak died. I defended him because he was doing analysis, but he was on my black list also. Now that he's flipped red, I've had to re-evaluate how the black team is likely to play. Meapak and I were the two people doing analysis, and he flipped red, and I know that I'm green. I cannot accept the heuristic that I have been using for black any longer.
There's a crucial problem that I hadn't thought of: SK's are super pro-town because they HAVE to survive till the end, and they cannot be roleblocked. This means that they must avoid the lynch at all costs. This game is much different than that, because they have a team of players, who can influence and help. This makes them similar to a mafia team, with less members but with BPV's to make up for that. It seems to me, that this game will function more like a game with two mafia families in it.
So how do we figure out the mafia from the blacks if they are both acting like mafia? The first way that i can think of is analysis on the connections between known scum. I don't mean things as obvious as support/callingout, these things could be set up of course, I'm talking about the tone people take with others, do they FoS some people differently than others? Find unusual connections. The second way is back checking people to see if they were making decisions or revealing information that they shouldn't have. For instance, assuming that the blacks actually gave us the names of scum, we know that they knew that before hand. Was anyone overly suspicious of Amberlight and Orgolove? Did they have good reasoning as to why they were their number one suspects?
Assuming that bombs do NOT kill blacks, lynching ilovejohn seems like a bad idea at this point. Heh. Call me scum for opposing your plan, but i don't care I'm going to die in few hours and you'll see. As a townie, I will say that lynching ilovejohn is the wrong call right now. We need to lynch blacks, and if bombs can't do that, then we should have Coag shoot him or something. It's 4-3 right now, and if we kill many more scum, the balance will be upset badly. CubEdIn is dead on when he says we need to whittle them down evenly. The only way that we can realistically kill black is by lynch now, this means that they are practically guaranteed to survive for three more days, and every day we don't lynch one extends that.
I wish I had more time to do analysis, but since I've been cut short, I'll simply say that i suspect Tnkted is black, and I suspect that Lanaia is also black. Meapak did analysis and he was scum. This does not mean that analysis is scummy. Analysis is, and always will be the key to victory, and I hope you guys start using it more.
GL town, looks like you'll be needing it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2011 17:19 GMarshal wrote:BOOM! Kavdragon the Planeswalker from the seventh dimension is dead This is his role PM Show nested quote +
Welcome to Insane Mafia 2 you are the Planeswalker from the Seventh Dimension
You win when the necromancer , the lich and the undead horde are dead, if at any point those three players are dead you win and are removed from the game (you may first at your discretion trigger any of your powers, and/or kill up to 3 players)
to help you in your task you have 5 unique powers
1.) Dimensional Jump- at any point in the game you may jump one day in the future disappearing from the thread for 72 hours (one full day and night) and reappearing as if nothing had happened when that time is over. While you are gone you may not be the target of any effects, votes or powers you are effectivley considered to not be in the game. You may use this power once
2.) Temporal distortion- you immediately end the day and the night lasts as long as however many hours remained in the day + 24 hours. The player with the most votes is lynched as usual, any effects that would take place at the end of the day do so as usual . You may only use this power once
3.) One last shot- the first time you would be lynched the day is reset as if nothing had happened, if you are lynched again they you are out of luck and die as usual
4.) reflective plating- all kp targeted on you are reflected back at the person shooting them at you, this does not apply to explosives
5.) undead sense- if any undead player mentions you in their quick topic you are immediately notified of their identity
Sigh. Never thought I'd see a troll post for me. Thanks GM, hopefully I won't actually see you soon.
Wait. Quick! I use Dimensional Jump! That works still, right?
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