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tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 13:29 GMT
#3930
On April 03 2011 21:46 Jackal58 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 03 2011 17:27 Kavdragon wrote:
Looks like I'm not long for this world, so here's my last push.

Based off the information we now have from the black market, it is apparent that blacks are ahead. We need to know more about the items they now posses. Firstly, Cubedin, you guys had the RPG's, can you confirm that they are a KP? Is there anything special about them? Second, do we know how many vests there are? Regardless, it seems very unlikely that will be able to kill blacks with KP other than lynches.

On that note, our NUMBER ONE priority is to LYNCH BLACKS. Thankfully LSB gave us a beautiful gift: the double lynch that is the Arena. Now, as long as you guys concentrate on using the lynch for Blacks, and using your Night KP for reds, we can still pull out a town victory. Town came from behind with some solid analysis and good hunting in XXXVI, and we can do the same thing and win here. However, this will require effort on everyone's part.

Now, I've been thinking about blacks since Meapak died. I defended him because he was doing analysis, but he was on my black list also. Now that he's flipped red, I've had to re-evaluate how the black team is likely to play. Meapak and I were the two people doing analysis, and he flipped red, and I know that I'm green. I cannot accept the heuristic that I have been using for black any longer.

There's a crucial problem that I hadn't thought of: SK's are super pro-town because they HAVE to survive till the end, and they cannot be roleblocked. This means that they must avoid the lynch at all costs. This game is much different than that, because they have a team of players, who can influence and help. This makes them similar to a mafia team, with less members but with BPV's to make up for that. It seems to me, that this game will function more like a game with two mafia families in it.

So how do we figure out the mafia from the blacks if they are both acting like mafia? The first way that i can think of is analysis on the connections between known scum. I don't mean things as obvious as support/callingout, these things could be set up of course, I'm talking about the tone people take with others, do they FoS some people differently than others? Find unusual connections. The second way is back checking people to see if they were making decisions or revealing information that they shouldn't have. For instance, assuming that the blacks actually gave us the names of scum, we know that they knew that before hand. Was anyone overly suspicious of Amberlight and Orgolove? Did they have good reasoning as to why they were their number one suspects?

Assuming that bombs do NOT kill blacks, lynching ilovejohn seems like a bad idea at this point. Heh. Call me scum for opposing your plan, but i don't care I'm going to die in few hours and you'll see. As a townie, I will say that lynching ilovejohn is the wrong call right now. We need to lynch blacks, and if bombs can't do that, then we should have Coag shoot him or something. It's 4-3 right now, and if we kill many more scum, the balance will be upset badly. CubEdIn is dead on when he says we need to whittle them down evenly. The only way that we can realistically kill black is by lynch now, this means that they are practically guaranteed to survive for three more days, and every day we don't lynch one extends that.

I wish I had more time to do analysis, but since I've been cut short, I'll simply say that i suspect Tnkted is black, and I suspect that Lanaia is also black. Meapak did analysis and he was scum. This does not mean that analysis is scummy. Analysis is, and always will be the key to victory, and I hope you guys start using it more.

GL town, looks like you'll be needing it.

Lanaia is almost 100% definitely not black. She may have a separate win condition than town but she is not black.
Put a bomb on Pandain.


What did your check return as?

and kav, i'm not black. For the record, I think we should take the bomb off kav because hes right: hes been posting good analyzsis and as long as hes doing that (ie, as long as there are more reds in the game than blacks) I'm ok with him living. However, since hes accusing lanaia and myself after I think we've both demonstrated how green we are, I'm not personally going to believe a word he says.

I'm also down with putting the extra bomb on pandain, amber[light], and orgolove.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 14:27 GMT
#3934
Oh ok i thought you had alignment checking. I think I know what her role is anyway.

are we not posting who we are lynching in the thread anymore? we should really be doing that still. I voted ilovejohn
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 15:13 GMT
#3938
So we either confirm a black, kill a red, or kill a townie if we lynch ilovejohn.

I mean, I think we're obligated to at this point but we better try to aim at reds.

Blacks, now would be a great time to come out of the woodwork, or risk revealing yourselves when the bombs go off.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 15:15 GMT
#3939
Wait, what? who did ken target?

also LSB, you hilarious asshole:

==Official LSB Banking Note==
I am putting a Kill Contract on Annul. If will pay money if you kill Annul before day 2
Commence bidding on how much money I will pay you for the completion of the kill. Maximum bid is 2,000,000, lowest bid wins.

If you want to save annul, pay me 1,000,000 Kronos and I will withdraw the contract.

I am willing to pay hazard pay of 1,000,000 Kronos should someone die trying to complete the job

Bidding will take place here in the black market quicktopic.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 15:17 GMT
#3942
On April 03 2011 16:37 kevconsim wrote:
kavdragons black


Yep, kavdragon is probably black, which means that kev here is red.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 15:23 GMT
#3948
yeah, im switching my vote to kav.

John, you need to change one of your bombs to kev if you haven't already. Orgolove is a good other target.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 15:25 GMT
#3949
Wait a minute, im confused on johns role. he has to die during the day? why not die at night? if one of the bombs is pointed at a red all we have to do is make sure that i switch myself to nullify MC and the red dies.

John should live to tomorrow because mafia won't want to kill him.

Hmm... black would though... do we have any other ways to protect him?
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 15:31 GMT
#3950
Wait a minute. when was the last mind control? Maybe lemon was the mind controller.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 15:33 GMT
#3951
also this black market is a fucking gold mine.

Well, despite my best efforts, Tackster the townie was hanged. And our Blues are looking a little inept as well. So, I'd like to offer them a helping hand, if they're willing to pay for it.

- I will provide the Blues with the name of the Mafia Godfather by the start of Day 3.

- In return, they will pay me a sum of 5 million Kronos (Negotiable)

This information is highly sensitive, but VERY reliable.


Despite your best efforts? Who do we know who has made a huge deal out of defending tackster this game?

Oh hello insanious. Good to know that you're scum.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 15:47 GMT
#3955
PFFF EASY ONE LSB

ITS A CONDOM
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 16:12 GMT
#3958
On April 04 2011 00:57 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 00:33 tnkted wrote:
also this black market is a fucking gold mine.

Well, despite my best efforts, Tackster the townie was hanged. And our Blues are looking a little inept as well. So, I'd like to offer them a helping hand, if they're willing to pay for it.

- I will provide the Blues with the name of the Mafia Godfather by the start of Day 3.

- In return, they will pay me a sum of 5 million Kronos (Negotiable)

This information is highly sensitive, but VERY reliable.


Despite your best efforts? Who do we know who has made a huge deal out of defending tackster this game?

Oh hello insanious. Good to know that you're scum.


Yeah that confirms him as another black. Rean is probably the last one?


Rean is dead.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 16:20 GMT
#3962
He only had one bomb. The other one was on GGQ and was lost when he died.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 18:05 GMT
#3971
I'm not switching my vote off john until cube and john tell me to. If we lynch john we can be sure that the bombs go off, if we don't black/mafia can kill him and we wont know.

Its better to lynch and possibly have two more confirmed blacks then it is to kill one black. I think we should get kav in the arena and get him killed.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 18:14 GMT
#3976
No, they will not explode, he mentioned that in his reveal post. We can't let him get roleblocked or we lose the bombs.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 18:33 GMT
#3984
On April 04 2011 03:31 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 03:27 Coagulation wrote:
well theres always the possibilty ILJ bombs two town today.


Or if they're black we have screwed ourselves with lynching a townie and getting no result other than a wasted lynch.


wrong! we'd have confirmed two blacks, which is good as well.

And I think you're scum. Care to defend yourself?
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 19:00 GMT
#3998
My scoreboard of confirmed green, unconfirmed green, confirmed scum, unconfirmed scum. I will put myself down as unconfirmed green (even though I know that I'm green) so that this list will help other people as well.

Player List

1. RebirthOfLeGenD Pandain (replacement)
2. Jackal58
3. OriginalName
4. Kenpachi Day 4 Suicide
5. deconduo
6. Kavdragon <--- BLACK
7. darmousseh Day 1 lynch
8. bumatlarge Night 3 Kill
9. GMarshal Night 1 Kill
10. Coagulation
11. orgolove
12. chaoser Night 2 Kill
13. Meapak_Ziphh Night 3 Kill
14. annul Night 1 Kill
15. kevconsim
16. Mr. Wiggles
17. CubEdIn
18.GGQ Night 3 Kill
19. ilovejonn
20. Amber[LighT]
21. BrownBear Day 3 Kill
22. Lemonwalrus Day 3 Lynch
23. Rean Night 2 Kill
24. tnkted
25. Tackster Day 2 Lynch
26. Lanaia
27. iGrok Night 2 Kill
29. Insanious
30. Eiii

Bots:
1. LSB Banking
2. Beneather

There are currently 16 players remaining.

There are currently 8 Townies remaining.
There are currently 1 Police remaining.
There are currently 4 Mafia remaining.
There are currently 3 Third party remaining.

Current Mafia KP is 1
Current Third Party KP is 1
Current Police Force KP is 0
Current Town KP is 1

Alrighty. Lets do the math on this.

There are 8 greens left. 7 of them are confirmed or semi-confirmed up on the board there. That means that only one on the list of

deconduo
Mr. Wiggles
kevconsim

is actually green. The other two are scum. I think Kev is probably scum (i didnt put him on the board because i'm getting him and ken confused right now and I didn't want to deal with it) but the question remains: who is scum, Decon or Wiggles?

Whats really scary is the fact that there are 8 greens. Greens have a grand total of 2 kp at the moment: one gun, and one lynch. Red doesn't look that spooky with their 1 KP. However, black has 3 RPG's in addition to their 1 KP, giving them a grand total of 4 KP.

So we're looking at 3 black with 3KP, immunte to night kills IE we can lynch one at a time. Meanwhile we've got 4 mafia with 1 kill, which can't hit the blacks and will therefore go directly to town. We can subtract that from the total, assuming mafia hits.

So 7 town. Black has incentive to kill anyone at this point, because they just need to lower down the voting ratios so that they aren't outvoted every time. Black therefore will probably fire indiscriminately, bringing the combined 7 town/4 mafia (11) non-black lynching crowd down to 7, leaving us at 7 vs 3. Depending on how many reds/greens are in that 7 will determine who wins this game. If they get more reds than greens green will win. If they get more greens than reds, red will win. I don't think its possible for black to win at this point unless 2 reds, 4 townies, and zero black die tonight.

Basically we need to protect our asses off tonight. Reds have to die instead if town wants to win this.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 19:10 GMT
#4005
Yes. cube should probably comment but amber[light] and orgolove are probably good targets.

Oh, i forgot to include you in my analysis. If you happen get 2 red then town is down to 7 and red is down to 2. Black uses 4 KP on town and red and we're at 5 red/green and 3 black. There will be 3 greens, 2 reds, and 3 black.

Yeech, this isn't looking good for town. Maybe we should be lynching a black instead.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 19:19 GMT
#4008
Do we have a way to avoid you getting roleblocked?

I can bus you i suppose, but that would open me up to roleblocks. Bussing takes place before kill, so they would have to roleblock me. However, that would mean that you would NOT be roleblocked, which is what we want.

In addition, it makes more sense for red to roleblock one of the black players and kill him.

Does roleblocking a black character remove his (or her) bulletproofness?
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 19:58 GMT
#4032
We can't know what we can do until day flips. Then we can begin to talk about what we're doing tonight.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 03 2011 20:50 GMT
#4042
On April 04 2011 05:49 Kenpachi wrote:
but but but Kitaman told be blacks can die to bombs...


is this true?
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
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