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On January 18 2011 05:45 Node wrote: 21:00 EST has a lot more potential to conflict with my schedule. I'll have to see if it works for LSB. If it's an inconvenience to you don't worry about it. I can hang til 10 but I'm usually pretty loopy by then. | ||
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On January 18 2011 09:32 Foolishness wrote: Better than anyone thought. I think a total of 9 people asked me for help at some point during the game, which was a much higher output than expected. I'm not expecting that to continue, but I'll be here reading the game if anyone wants to talk to me about it. Sometimes it helps to have someone to bounce ideas off of. I will avail myself of your offer this time around. | ||
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On January 19 2011 17:40 LunarDestiny wrote: Unbiased comments before role are sent out. Bodyguard dying because of inactive modkill would be lame. Node, do you think you will have a healthy amount of replacements? Also to whoever voted for mayor, please pick lurkers(not sure how to define them) as bodyguards. I don't want that FAT INACTIVE to be our day/night post. Also it makes the game more interesting. Well, picking lurkers as bodyguards might not be the best strategies... Just throwing out this before I get axed if I say this after game starts. Lurkers killed town in XXXV. I intend to leave no lurker alone. | ||
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On January 23 2011 12:27 Kavdragon wrote: Good citizens of Liquidia! I present to you my campaign for Mayor of this fine town filled with wonderful people! Four score and seven minutes ago our hosts brought forth in this forum a new thread conceived in awesomeness and dedicated to the proposition that all men should post a lot. Now we are engaged in a great Mafia game testing whether this thread, or any thread so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on this great posting-field, TL Mafia, in honor of previous games. I have come to dedicate a portion of this thread as a mostly final resting-place for those who here were active that that their game might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, posting and dead, who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The TL Mafia forum will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this thread under Node and LSB shall have a new birth of activity, and that my mayor-ship of the active, by the active, for the active shall not perish from the thread. But now we must move onward. With the memory of these invaluable players emblazoned in our minds, who will lead us to that play that glorious and active game? I humbly submit myself to the public office, willing to serve a thread, of the actives, by the actives, and for the actives. Under my leadership, the attacks of the enemy will be rebuffed, the confusion sown by the mafia will be silenced! Inactivity banished, and analysis rewarded! I stand for a town, united in activity and lynches for all scum! So come to my banner fellow Liquidians, let us run a race that in all likelihood will likely be quickly forgotten, but awesome none the less! Vote for activity! Vote for Scumhunting! Vote for Victory! Vote for KAV! Be convinced, if not by my words, then by the words of those who came before me. If not by words than by the lol worthy pictures I created for the occasion. If not by pictures, then by the epic music I wrote for a completely different occasion, but which I'm still shamelessly trying to use to further my campaign! + Show Spoiler [Text Endorsements] + On August 9 1974 11:63 VER wrote: Kav's the One. Kav for mayor. On January 20 1961 11:63 Node wrote: I Like Kav. Vote for Kav. On January 22 2011 11:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm Meapak_Ziphh and I approve this message. On January 22 2011 11:26 SiNiquity wrote: I'm SiNiquity and I approve this message. On January 21 2011 08:42 LSB wrote: KAV 4 MAYOR! I'll make you a mspaint poster!!!! + Show Spoiler [Pictorial Endorsements] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rYprY.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uPQtV.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xP1gN.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xk6JX.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CzzTt.jpg) + Show Spoiler [Music] + Vote for Victory! Vote for Kav! + Show Spoiler + (PS, i might be an invincible Vigilante, that can protect anyone, and check two people for their role per night. It'd suck to pass up that awesome role in the mayor seat.) Первым человеком, решить мою головоломка в этой кампании будет получить мое восхищение. --отец КавДракона Solve the clue and I'll consider giving you my vote. | ||
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On January 23 2011 18:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: also why does everyone keep talking about Qatol? Hes not even in the game o.O? Pffff. And you're running for mayor? Do try to keep up my good sir.  | ||
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Looked serious to me. | ||
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On January 25 2011 06:25 kitaman27 wrote: Are you defending LSB, zerroth? You're acting pretty scummy as well. Maybe we should make him mayor. | ||
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On January 25 2011 07:15 LunarDestiny wrote: NO ONE HERE IS SPAINISH??? CHINESE DUDE HAD TO USE GOOGLE TO FIND OUT WHAT "mi dio" is. Those who are spanish, I think you are mafia for not pointing out what "mi dio" is. "mi dio" = my god mi = my dio = god ilovejonn source: http://mymemory.translated.net/s.php?q=mi dio&sl=it-IT&tl=en-GB&sj=all Who are these Spainish you speak of? | ||
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On January 25 2011 11:25 Pandain wrote: + Show Spoiler + Pandain wants YOU for the Team mini mafia replacements. Just join and vote nemesis. Remember, only you can prevent mafia victory in the next 30 minutes If your going to play that game at least have them vote GGQ. | ||
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On January 26 2011 08:12 bumatlarge wrote: A scum mayor is the worst scenario by far, regardless of anything else. This means we will never get information on town numbers. False-claims will be rampant, and it will turn into a clue-crapshoot. I want to avoid this at all cost. For this reason, I believe one of RoL or Kav is scum. It's just way to strong an opportunity to pass up. If we are luky, dr.H was the mafia claim, but seeing as how he had relatively no votes, I don't think this is a viable outcome to put your hopes in. I feel we should RNG our mayor :/ as right now we have a 50% shot at picking a scum mayor, or we can take a <25% chance at one. I'd like to hear thoughts. On a BG plan + Show Spoiler + We want to use the census as long as possible because it's basically 1/2 of a coroner everyday. I've been thinking this through and I believe the best option is to splice 4 and 5. Option 4: Vetclaim: Two Veterans claim, they are chosen as bodyguards. Upside: Vets are tough to kill, make excellent bodyguards. Essentially make mayor invulnerable for at least 3-4 cycles. Downside: Reds can STILL claim to mess it up (and they will.) Vets more useful hidden amongst the town, to soak hits. No guarantee this setup has two vets. Verdict: If it wasn't for the fact that reds can claim, I'd be in support of this idea. I personally think vets would be more useful ensuring we have census for basically the entire game than sitting in the silent majority, hoping they can soak up a hit. However, there's no way a smart mafia team wouldn't have a goon claim vet, with no way to prove/disprove it, and that's a 66% chance we run into the 1 town-1 scum setup. So no. Option 5: Mayoral preference: Mayor picks his bodyguards, they accept. Upside: Kav/RoL are both good players, can probably select two greens. Downside: Kav/RoL aren't infallible, scum mayor can basically screw town over with this by intentionally selecting blues (bluesniping) and making it look accidental when they die, gives all the power to the mayor, something we want to avoid. Verdict: I don't like it, despite Kav kind of softly pushing for it. I'd vote against this plan. We have only 1 veteran claim. We should tell him to refresh the thread to avoid multiple claims. He will be first choice. Yes, mafia can claim it, but I'm not entirely sure mafia wants to which I will get to in a minute. The next BG will be chosen by Mayor. He will make the person is believes is most likely a vanilla town. If he is scum, then we can't be sure what he will do, but a mafia BG leaves a nice SK target on his back. So this would ultimately lead to how badly the other factions want the mayor to die. With 30 people in the game, I believe there are several set-ups. 5 mafia, 2-3SKs. 6-7 mafia, 1-2 SKs 7-8 mafia, No SKs (8 seems highly unlikely) With a rough 25% of players being non-town, BG chosen by mayor has a good chance of being town. With more mafia then veterans, statistically mafia will be more likely to be 2nd BG. I believe SK has no real purpose in trying to kill mayor within first 3 days. As a lone-wolf, he benefits from information brought to town, and he can blend well until medics and vets start getting counted. He can't really fake why he survived a hit if a mafia about to get lynched accuses him of being an SK. Ultimately, SK wants mayor to state how many mafia, SKs, one other blue role to keep his clam safe. SK should be preoccupied with DT and mafia sniping. For this reason, I do not like censusing DTs til later on, so SKs won't feel safe enough to hit mayor. Mafia then will take a stab at non-townie mayor very early on. Medics should take a high-priority in protecting BGs, and if both die and mayor is alive, I don't think you should take it off him. On January 16 2011 15:03 Node wrote: Mayor You are the elected leader of the town. Elections will take place on day 1. When elected, you will publicly select two bodyguards to protect you for the rest of the game. While bodyguards are alive, you cannot be targeted by night hits or the roleblocker. Role checks on you will return “Mayor”. Don't think that's an option. | ||
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On January 26 2011 08:30 bumatlarge wrote: What isn't? RNG mayor? There are ways, as in everyone posts a number between 1-2, and we add them up. The probability of scum landing a mayor this way is miniscule, and attempting to tamper with it will most likely get screwed. Here I'll start. 2 I cannot change it, and now d3 will be our choice until the next person posts a number. If we set a deadline, mafia can't wait til the last minute. Our deadline is up in another couple of hours or so. I believe it's a bit late to get the changes in. Maybe not though but we don't have much time left. | ||
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On January 26 2011 20:57 Nemesis wrote: And how will that help mafia as well? Mafia can already guess the number of SK's from the # of KP per night. It will also tell them the # of vigis we have. | ||
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On January 26 2011 21:12 CubEdIn wrote: That's not really an issue in this game. Vigilantes get to fire a shot once per game. That means that if Mafia doesn't hit a Vig before he fires, then it's useless to kill them afterwards, as they used up their power. So yeah, they could maybe tell that a Vigilante did use their power, but it's useless information if you ask me. My bad. I read that as once per night. | ||
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I've seen that set up in other games and wondered if that's a standard practice? | ||
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On January 27 2011 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: If you have a role specific question please ask it in PM. I had an ulterior motive. If it was set up that way would have been a good way to check alignment of our mayor and his bodyguards. | ||
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On January 27 2011 09:04 kitaman27 wrote: Just curious, what indicated to you that Kavdragon was more likely scum than RoL. And since that was the case, why would you wait for someone suggesting RoL rather than voting him in the first place. Thing is Kav started his campaign well before roles were passed out. If he is scum it's pure RNG. I'd be more concerned with the few that started to campaign after Day 1 post. Are you your brothers keeper? Babies come from aisle 7 at WalMart. At least that's where my wife tells me ours came from. | ||
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On January 27 2011 09:37 darmousseh wrote: I think it's time to move on past the kavdragon, ROL, bum mayor and election stuff. There simply isn't enough information to reveal anything except that bum changes his mind faster than a girl, says a few semi-contradictory like many girls and reacts emotionally to kavs accusations just like a girl. Conclusion: Bum is a female, or an alien, or drunk.  I'm quite fluent in drunk speak. Bum is not drunk. Whether he is a female alien is irrelevant to the problem at hand. You were one of the ones to attempt to mount a mayoral campaign. You're worthy of close observation. | ||
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Working on clues. I thought more than 2 would die. | ||
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On January 28 2011 02:16 darmousseh wrote: I'm still really bothered with the quote from the story I feel like that is probably a clue, but I can't find anything in any profile. Also theres a bunch of stuff about noises. Anyone else have any luck? Also probably has some clue in it, but again no luck. Other than that, we have like 33 hours until night. I'll try to see if these clues correspond to anything. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/76537.png?1295475082) Fits don't it? | ||
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It's doable but will require a gutsy dt assuming we have 2 medics. | ||
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On January 28 2011 13:31 LunarDestiny wrote: [/green]My input on activeness, totally my opinion. Version 1.01 Over active Same Under active No color = don't know/not enough games with/forgot BOLD = VERY
What are you basing this on? If it's post counts from other games bear in mind that I've died on night 1 twice. Not sure this list provides anything other than a distraction. | ||
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On January 29 2011 06:38 BrownBear wrote: Jesus, if that's the attitude you're taking, why did you even bother signing up in the first place? To hone his village idiot skills. | ||
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On January 29 2011 07:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote: There's clue analysis in Deconduo's post I quoted, stuff related to the scary movie and the thunder, lightning, rain, mostly stuff from the first day post. If he avoids mod kill I think he's an excellent candidate for our next lynch. Not today's but tomorrow. To you guys saying to use analysis instead of clues I say horsepucky. This game is set up in a manner that allows scum to play exactly as town. No flips allows them even more anonymity. Clues are all we can really rely on atm. Nemesis and Mr Zergling are the two best fits to what we have atm. I'm guessing one of them is SK. | ||
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On January 29 2011 13:27 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: -_-; seriously? Seems to be a recurring theme with you, WTF is with the modkills. This shit ain't that hard.  | ||
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On January 30 2011 03:45 Kavdragon wrote: Can someone explain to me why having the Vig claim before, or after is useful? Why does he need to claim at all? I see no point in it. It would actually be a good vehicle for an SK to try to hide behind. Especially late in the game. | ||
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On January 30 2011 08:25 Kavdragon wrote: You're right. D3, I apologize for my flippant comment. Would you mind explaining this sentance? Are you basing the accuracy of my reads off of this game or my past games? Do you know something about my "reads" this game that we don't? Also, why would me being NOT red be a reason for you to discount me? Agreed. RoL should NOT have been lynched today. I originally voted that, but thought better of it and asked the town to put off lynching him till tomorrow at the earliest. A valid concern. I personally think that he's not mafia because his play reminds me of his previous town play, and because there weren't very many people defending him. (Something that he mafia can afford to do in this game to a much greater extent than other games) however, I am not the entire town, and they seemed to think that he was very suspicious. Why don't you keep an eye on him, and make sure he doesn't fall off the board? I many people in the town thought that he might be a SK, in which case the shot would be wasted. I think that he's best left as a lynch candidate, and not a vig candidate. Are you over your illness? If not, you might ask about getting a replacement. If you are better, you'd better be up to posting and contributing, cause I'm not happy with inactivity, and I WILL push for the death of any who lurk or go inactive. If you're that sure of RoL why not ask for the number of SK we are dealing with in your census tonight? We know we started with 5 reds. Knowing how many Sk are amongst us is going to remove a lot of kp questions. I understand mafia would love to know this too but we have to get a number at some point. | ||
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On January 30 2011 11:24 Coagulation wrote: the only clue i could find http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Jackal58 Steeler picture in profile If that were the case d3's death would have been by cheese grater. From Nemesis' profile: From Nemesis' profile: "I am the bone of my sword. Steel is my body, and fire is my blood. I have created over a thousand blades. Unknown to death. Nor known to life. Have withstood pain to create many weapons. Yet, these hands will never hold anything. So as I pray, 'Unlimited Blade Works'." Nemesis hasn't been here all day. | ||
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On January 30 2011 11:24 SiNiquity wrote: Either mafia stacked hits and SK didn't submit, or mafia didn't submit. Either way we win. Or mafia only has 1 kp. That would make sense in this setup. | ||
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On January 30 2011 11:36 Kenpachi wrote: I still think Nemesis was to be lynched yesterday. can we kill him today? I'm ok with it. ## VOTE: NEMESIS | ||
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Here are the members of my bandwagon. . Nemesis Impervious Coagulation Beneather LunarDestiny darmousseh Some names look really familiar don't they? | ||
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On January 30 2011 23:28 Impervious wrote: Looking at your profile, there's not much there. One big fucking obvious thing is big Ben..... Wearing a BLACK uniform and part of the STEELers football team..... Plus, you seem to be relatively inactive, and the hosts specifically mentioned that they left clues to someone who was not active during the night..... My bet is you're a SK..... It's not hard to put the pieces together, man..... There's no real band-wagonning going on..... I'm much more convinced that you're a SK than that Beneather is mafia (although it definitely looks like a possibility, so I'd probably be voting for him tomorrow - no guarantees, it'll depend on how things go). I have 4 posts during the last night phase. I'm quite sure I was here to post any night actions I may or may not have the ability to make. NEMESIS - 0 Beneather - 0 Put your intellect to work son. Unless of course you are driving this particular bandwagon. If you are start playing a different tune. :Send in the Clowns" is getting old. | ||
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On January 31 2011 00:03 Impervious wrote: I saw 3. All 3 were talking about the SK. Doesn't mean you submitted a night action though. This is stupid but before you decide to add lying and embellishment to the list of charges: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7759517 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7770581 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7773096 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7773214 Keep blowing smoke. You're looking smummier with each post. | ||
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On January 31 2011 00:59 Impervious wrote: Wow. I missed one post of yours in a space of, what, 10 pages? Suddenly you're under fire and you backlash directly onto the people voting for you, rather than offer anything constructive (short of a list of who are voting for you)? Coagulation Beneather LunarDestiny darmousseh Nemesis You've basically listed the group that I thought were mafia, except you've added me in on that, simply because I've voted for you..... I've already voted once for Coag (I was hoping we'd get him). However, I'm starting to think that he's actually not a mafia. If you noticed, Beneather, LunarDestiny, darmousseh, and Nemesis all voted for RoL yesterday, and we found out that it was a town kill, not a mafia kill. I agree with your analysis on them, ofc. But they can wait. I'm not back lashing. I've made no accusations. I've defended myself and dismissed the accusations made against me. I posted the list of people bandwagoning me to show that at least 2 of them were either suspected mafia or potential SK. The others may be guilty by association but I'm not going there yet. Coag's "analysis" of me is based solely upon a picture. The clues point clearly at 2 members of my bandwagon. Why wouldn't I point out the other members? You accuse me of inactivity. Yet you have zero posts during our last night phase. Pot calling the kettle black? This entire exchange is nothing more than an attempt to shift focus. FoS at you man. | ||
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On January 31 2011 01:30 BrownBear wrote: Jackal, stop it with the OMGUS, he's right in that clues do point to you. Could it be possible that one of the modkills, RoL, or OriginalName was the SK, so the SK is dead already? I think next night cycle we should census the number of SKs left in the game, it would be great if we managed to nail him this early. I'm dropping a vote on Jackal for now, he's not posting constructively + clues point to him. I'm going to throw up some analysis later, but it would be amazing if it wasn't just me + bum + Kav doing the huge analysis posts... Defending myself is not constructive? Pointing out the members of the bandwagon, 2 of whom are obvious scum/SK, is not constructive? Pointing out that the person calling me "inactive" has ZERO posts in the time he called me inactive is not constructive? Pointing out our 2 prime candidates also had ZERO posts during night and one of them didn't post their night actions is not constructive? Pointing out an obvious shift from Nemesis and Beneather and accusing me of things that are simply not true by people that are guilty of the inactivity I've been accused of is not constructive? My god man open your eyes. | ||
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On January 31 2011 02:01 Kavdragon wrote: It seems to be a common theme for people to miss my mafia# announcement, so again, MAFIA NUMBER = 5 Also, we should look at who was inactive during the night for clues about who might have been the SK... At least we can eliminate a lot of people. Of course they missed it. They weren't here. | ||
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Day 3 begins on thread post # 1151 During that time 7 people made no posts. 2 made just 1 If I misspell your name my apologies. 0 posts : GMarshall Ilovejohn Papapanda Impervious Nemesis beneather deconduo 1 post: zerroth SiNiquity Both of those were within a few minutes of Nodes day post. It is also very possible Mafia was all afk and the SK was the only night kp. | ||
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On January 31 2011 03:51 CubEdIn wrote: Yes, but only Mafia can role-block people, and BrownBear claimed he got RBed. Which means that the mafia DID send in their night hits. It's unlikely that they didn't. I mean, you'd have to have all 5 people offline, otherwise mods would've PMed them or something. And why would BrownBear claim RB? a) he is mafia and trying to confuse the town by putting himself on the radar b) he actually got RBed, which means mafia did send in their actions. You are right about the clues part, but I dunno, maybe Node/LSB decided to put clues about SK BECAUSE he didn't send in night kill. Or maybe they are joking? a) is a distinct possibility. He has 2 posts during night. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7768796 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7772232 Both several hours before deadline. I'm not pushing it but it is a very real possibility. If mafia were all afk it would make a great amount of sense for one of them to claim RB during the night. It also took him a while to post that he was. A convenient bandwagon showed up before mafia could finish comparing notes????? | ||
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On January 31 2011 04:40 LunarDestiny wrote: Jackal has yet to address his lack of constructive post in the game (prior being called out), don't be fooled by his high post count as most are one liner. Nemesis pointed out that in Mini Mafia IV, jackal was town and his contribution is much higher. He actually did do many long posts in that game. Everyone should take a quick look at post style differ in these two games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jackal58&gb=date The difference is I tunneled Pandain. I thought I was spot on but I was wrong. He wasn't scum he made a dumb play. I learned from that. I will push a case when one presents itself but I'm not going to be so damned sure of myself again. And yes I am going to defend myself aggressively. And I'm not going to do so by making unprovable claims. I'm not going to do it by calling people with more posts than I do inactive. If you look at the first people that jumped on the Jackal bandwagon and the list of yesterdays lynch targets and consider for a moment that mafia may very well have stepped on their dicks last night it starts to become to apparent who some of them probably are. Nemesis beneather Insaneous Brownbear. All appear to be taking advantage of Coagulation's insanity. Nemesis and beneather should be at the top of everybodies list. | ||
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On January 31 2011 05:52 CubEdIn wrote: ^ That's true. And the fact that people are not openly defending him also means that he's probably green. There are just too many things that don't mix with him being red. Defend him from what? The 8-2 lead I'm enjoying atm? Nobody needs to defend him. Mafia found a perfect foil. I'd look at the folks that switched from beneather as well. Why bus one of your own when a perfectly good derailment appears. | ||
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On January 31 2011 06:40 Nemesis wrote: Nice chainsaw defense...you still haven't addressed why you have done absolutely nothing this game except for spamming the thread to make it seem like you are contributing with your high post count when you are not. And which lurkers have you called out as you said you would? And where is the clue analysis that you said you were doing? Here is my clue analysis. you must have missed it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7774030 I'm not chainsawing anything scummeister. I'm connecting the dots. | ||
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On January 31 2011 07:34 Impervious wrote: And the new nickname that Jackal seems to think i should have is not helping his case either. Sorry. :p Was unintentional. Cheesehead. | ||
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[center]We googled all the information in our post, we do not condone the actions of the mafia, and find it despicable. Please lay off of our backs now.[center] | ||
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On January 31 2011 08:36 Nemesis wrote: That was only after you were called out -.- That was last night while you were still screwing up your night post. Good try though. | ||
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On January 31 2011 08:42 Nemesis wrote: Now, not only are you acting scummy, but you are also lying. That post is on page 59, day post is page 58, and that post also quotes coag who calls you out. I'm not even going to bother arguing anymore as I think it is pretty obvious you are red at this point. It's time to discuss next day's target then, while waiting for jackal to be lynched. That's what I meant by last night. Not the night phase but immediately after the day post with the clue in it. Would be hard to look at the clue before it was posted wouldn't it. Keep swinging. Would seem to me somebody with the affection for blades you have would be able to hit something. | ||
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On January 31 2011 11:29 Kenpachi wrote: you could still be SK from what your saying o_O Nemesis is the sk I'm blue. | ||
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From Mini mafia? Sure. I don't mind looking like a doof. :p | ||
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On January 31 2011 11:42 kitaman27 wrote: I find it hard to believe that a town could so readily differentiate between a mafia and SK. Both will lurk and the clues won't tell the difference. Calling someone a SK is more of a mafia tactic to either cast suspicion upon a town or divert the lynch from one of their own. If your vote is on jackal based on the fact that he is not a bodyguard, then why not go against someone you are pretty sure is anti-town in Nemesis. Err, another blue claim? Guess it already worked for Coag since he is still around. (Shouldn't have have gotten popped during the night?) Since you are already claiming, would going into role specifics be something that could save you? Clues fit Nemesis. Nobody defended him on day 1. Ergo SK I'm Veteran. But you won't know that til I'm dead. What you will know is I'm town when the next census comes back 5. The only thing blue on Coag is his balls. | ||
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On January 31 2011 11:53 Nemesis wrote: If you are a veteran, then you are the worst veteran ever. Vet's job is to take hits, and with your spammy posting which does not contribute anything, there was no way in hell you are going to take hits. Nice blue claim to try and save your ass. I'm not responding to you anymore scum. | ||
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On January 31 2011 11:58 kitaman27 wrote: Can you display in some way what strategy you used to try and draw a hit? No I can't I haven't attempted to get hit. | ||
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On January 31 2011 12:11 Divinek wrote: then why would you claim your role -_- it defeats the entire purpose of it Because that option never occurred to me. I'm new at this and have a wicked habit of dying night one. First time I was something other than a vanilla townie. | ||
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Because claiming it now is my only way of keeping town from making another mislynch. | ||
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On January 31 2011 12:17 Divinek wrote: It seems to me someone who actually had the role of veteran would take the few seconds back to understand the purpose of their role(in reality they'd probably think about it alot since y'know it's their role). So that seems to leave you as being the person who is not actually a veteran Seems to me I don't really give a shit what you think. The only way I can prove anything is by dying. I'd prefer to have that happen at night. Nemesis is loving this. | ||
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On January 31 2011 12:20 LunarDestiny wrote: What is this LSB? The bold part... tell me that you modify that part and both kav and I aren't in the original pm. You weren't | ||
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On January 31 2011 12:26 Kavdragon wrote: There is a bandwagon on Jackal. Almost no one else has votes on them. Doesn't this raise flags for anyone? It's got me quite alarmed. | ||
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NEMESIS!!!! Just wanna throw that out there cause he only shows up when I post his name. | ||
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On February 01 2011 03:51 deconduo wrote: I am not going to let you bait me into an argument over WIFOM as I'm sure you would like to divert attention from important matters once again. I will however clarify my logic: -I feel that the clues point quite clearly towards beneather being the scum that killed d3. It is also much more likely that it was a mafia kill rather than an SK kill. -As d3 had already pointed out suspicions towards beneather, amongst others, this would be a good motive for the kill. OBVIOUSLY only the killer (or his team) knows the exact reasoning behind making a kill, however it does no harm to speculate especially on an unexpected kill. -I know that all the times I've been mafia, I've always tried to kill people who get too close to working out who we are. You can see I was thinking about this early when I looked over at who had been killed so far. This was before I suspected Beneather at all. Finally, lets take a look at the people who lynched RoL and saved Nemesis on day 2: bumatlarge LunarDestiny Nemesis darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 kavdragon (switched) Notice any similarities? Yes I do. Nemesis Impervious Coagulation Beneather LunarDestiny darmousseh From this post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7779204 | ||
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On February 01 2011 04:53 Barundar wrote: And I think you are being paranoid. I have been suspecious of Beneather since his first real post, and now there is even clues to back it up. It seems like there is too strong of a resistance to push for a lynch now though, so I will try tomorrow instead. But if you are town, don't just discard him beceause you picked him as BG. For today's targets: Jackal: I still want you to answer my questions regarding the vet discussion. Deconduo: Ballsy plan suggestions are big plusses in my book. The plan was kinda scummy though, would make it easy to pick off mayor. Nemesis: I never thought he was scum, but at this point we will be strugling killing anyone else, any day, beceause of the suspecions against him. Hence we can kill him off. Sorry I missed it. I'm at work right now and my time is limited. I'll answer when I get home tonight and can go through the thread. | ||
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On February 01 2011 09:07 darmousseh wrote: 11-10 for nemesis. If people really want to get rid of nemesis tonight then that's fine by me since I think he's an SK. I will set it in stone. Tomorrow we should look at jackal58 closer. Yes you should. But you and your scumbuddies are going to stack your hits on me. I'm ok with that. To Barundar- I found your question and I decided at the time unless another vet claimed it wasn't in towns or my best interest to do so either. I actually PMed Flamewheel regarding that scenario. He gave me pros and cons for claiming. I used his advice and my own limited experience at this to not claim. Claiming blue is a death wish. I thought my "nightlife" would be better served later in the game to take a random hit. Nemesis darmousseh Beneather Impervious Brownbear Divinek All are most likely scum team or SK Of Nemesis and Beneather one is the SK. | ||
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I am not nor would I ask Flamewheel to confirm or deny any PMs I had with him in regards to anything. | ||
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On February 01 2011 09:46 SiNiquity wrote: Flashes of steel > steeler jersey. Sorry. At the same time I don't trust Kenpachi a bit and he's dead set on Nemesis dying. Hmm. An hour to go... The biggest issue with that connection is there are a shitpot of people in the game that have no idea who the Steelers are. | ||
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On February 01 2011 09:56 SiNiquity wrote: What? Ignorant American. There are people in this game from countries all over the world. Only an ignorant Americentric would assume the entire world follows our beloved game of football. Or as many of them call it "hand egg" | ||
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On February 01 2011 09:58 darmousseh wrote: Why are you still defending yourself if you are already safe from lynching today? (unless 3 people switch suddenly) If you aren't a suspect we won't find anything in the next set of clues so you should just let it go. You mean "lurk" like you? I am going to defend myself and town as long as I am able too. Why do you want me to shut up? Scum. | ||
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On February 01 2011 09:57 LunarDestiny wrote: FOOTBALL (that's right, we call them football here) Team which won a championship a few year back. I don't really pay much attention to football. The clues still aren't as believable as Nemesis's clues. Other can read about them here:LINK You're in the US. Of course you know. | ||
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On February 01 2011 10:01 darmousseh wrote: I'm american and I call it "american football" or "hand-egg" From my profile Steelers are going to lose on sunday btw. Enough reason right there to lynch you. Cheeseheads are insta scum in my book. | ||
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On February 01 2011 10:20 SiNiquity wrote: Only an ignorant American would presume all Americans have not spent years outside of the country. Only a stupid person would suggest in a game with most people listing United States or USA as their country, the majority or a "shitpot" of people don't know who the Steelers are. Take your pick My god you can't read either. | ||
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I said posting a clue that people that aren't from the US wouldn't get is not very likely. You're the one that has issues with that. That makes you ignorant of the rest of the world. I never claimed "majority" You said it not me. Wtf is up with you? Truth- Not everbody in this game is American. Truth- Non Americans may or may not associate Ben Roethlisberger with any posted clues. Truth- Using that as a clue makes no sense. Truth- You are distorting what I said. Truth- You can't comprehend what you read. | ||
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On February 01 2011 13:27 Kavdragon wrote: Cool. With that out of the way, I'll wait a little longer for dissenting voices, then turn in the request for Mafia. We are going to eventually need a number on the SK population. I'd get that tonight. If we know that number it eliminates people guessing about vig shots. | ||
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On February 02 2011 04:43 Kavdragon wrote: Right, enough about the BG's. I think that we should give our blues some direction. This idea is coming from BC's thread on town play. Blues, feel free to take or leave our advice. The discussion is as much for you Blues as it is for Vanilla townies. If people are going to suggest things, be specific. Call people out by name, don't generalize. It's really easy for scum to hid in the crowd of people saying "we should dt check inactives". It's much harder for them to post specific requests for DT/Medic/Vig hits, and when they do, it gives us WAY more information about mafia than general "good" advice. I'll start: DT's: Beneather's alignment will be shown by who dies first, me or him. Do not waste time on him. Papapanda comes off as very scummy to me, but this could simply be because he's new. I'd highly recommend him for a DT check. (Constantly apologizing for himself, very tentative about his ideas/opinions. Very typical of newer scum players.) Medics: Mafia made a play for GMarshal after I called for Medics to protect LunarDestiny. You caught this before, so keep up the work with the wifom. LunarDestiny is still a good heal target. GMarshal is also a good target, in case the mafia make a play for eliminating the census again. Vig: My request for a hit on Zerroth still stands. If a DT hit D3, thank you, sorry that he turned out town. Regardless of whether a DT hit him or not, the inactives felt pressure and posted more. I see no reason to stop the pressure. Vet's: Speak up, be active. You have the privilege of being able to speak out without worrying for your life. This will allow other blues to come out a contribute as the mafia will be avoiding Vets, and at the very least sets up some good wifom shields. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they stack their hit on me tonight. Wouldn't bother me much either. I honestly believe Nemesis was SK. Night kill totals will determine that however. If we have any Detectives (I'm assuming we don't. It's safer) but if we do I would urge you to check on BrownBear and Impervious. | ||
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On February 02 2011 05:10 Kavdragon wrote: Lol, your death would be an EPIC mafia fail. Firstly, you are a vig. Mafia avoid them like the plague. (You still absorb the hits.) Secondly, you were almost lynched. What happened to the last guy that was almost lynched? He got lynched the next day. People are suspicious of you, regardless of how good/bad the logic is. Why would the mafia kill you? I mean, Mafia, please, by all means stack your hits on him, I think that would be fantastic. The less deaths the better. I'm not a vig. I'm a vet. And yes the less deaths the better. | ||
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On February 02 2011 05:05 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 02 2011 04:43 Kavdragon wrote: Right, enough about the BG's. I think that we should give our blues some direction. This idea is coming from BC's thread on town play. Blues, feel free to take or leave our advice. The discussion is as much for you Blues as it is for Vanilla townies. If people are going to suggest things, be specific. Call people out by name, don't generalize. It's really easy for scum to hid in the crowd of people saying "we should dt check inactives". It's much harder for them to post specific requests for DT/Medic/Vig hits, and when they do, it gives us WAY more information about mafia than general "good" advice. I'll start: DT's: Beneather's alignment will be shown by who dies first, me or him. Do not waste time on him. Papapanda comes off as very scummy to me, but this could simply be because he's new. I'd highly recommend him for a DT check. (Constantly apologizing for himself, very tentative about his ideas/opinions. Very typical of newer scum players.) Medics: Mafia made a play for GMarshal after I called for Medics to protect LunarDestiny. You caught this before, so keep up the work with the wifom. LunarDestiny is still a good heal target. GMarshal is also a good target, in case the mafia make a play for eliminating the census again. Vig: My request for a hit on Zerroth still stands. If a DT hit D3, thank you, sorry that he turned out town. Regardless of whether a DT hit him or not, the inactives felt pressure and posted more. I see no reason to stop the pressure. Vet's: Speak up, be active. You have the privilege of being able to speak out without worrying for your life. This will allow other blues to come out a contribute as the mafia will be avoiding Vets, and at the very least sets up some good wifom shields. Don't forget mason as well. He should be blue hunting. DT will probably need to claim and give some results tomorrow. BGs are always good, and try your best to predict a hit (someone who becomes very vocal at a certain point, someone who catches your eye). Unless a vig feels very vulnerable, I think he should save hits from people like zerroth or D3 and wait for a situation where we KNOW someone is red. But of course, pop it if you are in danger. If jackal is a vet I am worried for what the rest of our vets are like. I also need this Beneather/jackal situation explained. I've gone through their posts, and feel little difference in the motives of both. Further, Ben is a BG and Jackal has claimed vet, while I find it remarkably convenient for him to have, especially when he hasn't acted like a vet this whole game. If you are going to slide jackal the inexperienced card, I don't see why ben doesn't. And we aren't going to be looking at clues so hard after the nemesis thing? Hm... When you judge someone, spread it into three parts, and keep them separate. Behavior comes first, then the information available and then clues. Don't disregard them, you just need to develop an eye for them, which I obviously haven't yet -_- If there is no information available about that person, then you can extend the analysis into 2/3 of your opinion. That sheep pic is cruel, but helpful, as it is likely that nemesis is town and not SK. Bum is 0 for 2! I'll accept full responsibility for poor veteran play on my part. Yes I'm new. Yes this is the first time I've had a role other than vanilla townie. Do I see where I've made errors? Yes. Will it improve my play in future games? Of course. Can I change anything I've done up to this point? No. And I have yet to have anybody tell me how a veteran should play. Nor have I seen anything special in the other games I've been in to identify a player as vet. They've all been lynched in the games I've been in. None claimed flat out to be a vet prior to being lynched. Although I do believe either RoL or LSB claimed to be blue without being specific. And without any result. They were still lynched. Town went on to lose. So I claim what I am. I have no prior precedent to look at except lynched Vets. That doesn't help town. So I claim what I am. I don't know if my claim prevented my lynch. But I'm still an extra townie with an extra night life. | ||
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On February 02 2011 05:30 bumatlarge wrote: Well, you can probably explain it the best. I mean Beneather and Jackal. I see little difference in their posting, and beneather is valuable by his existence and jackal has already made an excuse of why he is still here and will be here, or proved that he is not doing his job. Maybe you've already closely reviewed them both, or you are going on what everyone has said. Why Beneather over Jackal? I know you mentioned that it was unnerving that no one defended jackal, but I doubt that is the only reason. What exactly is my "job" People keep telling me what a horrid job I'm doing without saying how it should be played. | ||
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On February 02 2011 05:45 deconduo wrote: To get hit/killed. To be a good target for mafia. To not almost get lynched. Well I'm one step ahead of some others I've played with. | ||
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Keep protecting GMarshall. We need our census. | ||
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On February 02 2011 12:49 GMarshal wrote: LunarDestiny, are you willing to deal? Town could use a night kill and since you are bullet proof you have nothing to fear from mafia, at this point I think we could offer you survival for a while in exchange for your night kills. (also what does the rest of the town think of this?) Why not? It's a second lynch without a lynch. Not like we can be any more fucked up than we've been. | ||
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On February 02 2011 13:06 Divinek wrote: are you guys for fucking serious? BIG FOS on both of you an SK would never openly admit it and try to bargain with town, where would that get him? sure he'd live a few more days but he could NEVER win. Only mafia could reasonably want to keep an SK alive after they have been identified This is a scum deviation of town interest. FoS right back at you. | ||
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On February 02 2011 13:55 Divinek wrote: have you read anything ive said? You just say something without explaining any reasoning behind it. That is a mafia way of posting to avoid slip ups because their reasoning is different naturally. I'm sorry. I assumed everybody here could read. | ||
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On February 02 2011 14:08 Kavdragon wrote: Uh...Really guys? Look, LunarDestiny has been one of the biggest assets to the town. Beneather had looked really freaking scummy, and has clues agianst him. (If he's GF, why the hell would the mafia send him as their hitman? Bad logic). Kitaman is dead, and can't tell us anything. Firstly, Divinek: D3 was SK in Pokemafia and he cooperated with town. Scared the crap out of us mafia at the time. So yes, SK's CAN work with the town. It's in their best interest to work with whoever is losing. Secondly, Are we going to lynch one of the most active and actually helpful players this game? REGARDLESS of whether he is SK or not, he CAN be an asset to the town. As such we should NOT autovote him. That being said, I'm not yet convinced that Bum is actually a DT. You really going there? Seriously? For Reals? We have a scum mayor? My mind is full of shit atm. I'm gong to bed. Your post just fucked me up. | ||
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On February 03 2011 09:30 Kavdragon wrote: The second half of my analysis, as promised: + Show Spoiler [A few edits to the first half  + A few minor edits and clarifications that I missed on my read throughs: On January 26 2011 11:00 bumatlarge wrote: lol...? Do you realize how strong mayor is? Do you honestly think scum wouldn't try to have someone run? If I was in your shoes as town, RoL would be pretty fishing looking. And you aren't, which says something about you. Now I really hope you don't get mayor if this is actually how you think things through. Killing the only person who says you might be red is not the way to go. If you kill me, I can guarantee you are red. If you are town, please start thinking about where I am coming from with this. Roughly 24 hours ago, I thought there were 4 candidates. It would be pointless to bring it up. Now there have been two for nearly all of the vote process, I am a little worried. I thought maybe I could get an extension on the time to give this a little more thought and buy that last guy some time. The RNG plan isn't too great with only a few hours left and it was mostly just a thought in response to the situation, but maybe with 12 more hours we could get another candidate, and give people more of a choice. I was originally using this to show bad logic, but meant to take it out becaues it's a bad example, and was probably just an emotion based mistake. Within my spoiler on why Bum's plan was bad, I stated that he started it with only 1.5 hours to go. That was a mistake on my part, there were actaully more like 3 hours to go, but doesn't change any of my analysis of the situation. According to this, he KNEW that Benneather was town on day two. So i went back an checked his posts. Yes, he defends Beneather lightly by compareing him to Jackal, but really he's just dragging Beneather into the spotlight at that point. Why draw attention to him if he's clean, and we arn't considering his lynch for the time being? Then he posts this: So you suggested that we lynch someone who you knew to be town? No veteran player would do something like that. Hell, most new players would know not to do that. This made me look at the possible reasons for a mafia claiming this: Claiming that Kita is Medic: No real reason other than he's dead, and can't be checked. Beneather as Townie: This potentially clears the name of the most suspected scum. LD as SK: This makes the most sense as Mafia, and this is one of the first things that made me question Bum. The one things that has stuck with me out of all the advice I've read from the pros, is that good scum tells are the things that make sense from a mafia perspective, but not from a town perspective. Beneather wasn't going to be lynched, Kita was dead, so the only reason to claim at this point is to call out LD: If LD is SK, he wants to appear as pro-town, and he wants to kill people who are on the winning side. In this case, the Mafia are winning, so he would want to kill them. As long as his cover isn't blown, this is the logical course of action. Once the cover has been blown, he has much less reason to help the town. (It's possible for him to win, but extremely unlikely, so who knows how he might act? ) So why would an experianced townie, someone who must have realized this, call him out? this could only halt or hurt his pro-town, helpful play. In short, it DOESN"T MAKE SENSE FOR A TOWNIE TO DO THIS. If you were mafia, the town is looking pretty screwed, and the SK will have no choice but to start helping the town if they weren't before. So revealing Lunar as SK makes sense. People say that mafia can't know because all hits are accounted for. This isn't true. The town asked the vig to hit D3, and D3 died that night. We assumed it was the mafia, but there was no logical reason for them to hit D3, it would be much better to hit the vocal persons in the town: Lunar and Me. So they hit lunar, and GMarshal that night. Lunar didn't need to claim the hit, because a vig covered for him. Think about it, why would the mafia hit D3? Yeah, he had a list, but he wasn't a big voice in the town, and his death only drew attention to that list. It makes no sense for the mafia to hit D3. It makes perfect sense for a Vig to hit D3. Conclusion, we have our missing hit, and the mafia know who the SK is. It has already been pointed out that he reported Beneather as Vanilla Townie. Why would you translate Townie Bodyguard in to Vanilla Townie? Slip up? It seems odd at the least. If necessary I can back this up with Blue Based information, but I'd rather not give out any information about blues that I don't need to. I will say that I'm in the Mason circle though. Those were the dots I've been trying to connect all day. Thank you. If this is indeed the case is there no way to use LD's nk? | ||
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From Qatol's blog - It's not what you know, it's what you can convince people to believe. This is really where the Mafia game is won and lost and people just don't get it. In this game you are a mafia mayor and I know this because I read it correctly. Does it matter? Not really, because now I have to convince the town that you truly are. Likewise we all know quickstriker and JeeJee are innocent but in the grand scheme of things it means shit - people believe they are guilty. Once you get people to believe certain things about other players you can start either dividing the town and standing back silently watching them devour each other as mafia, or as a townie bring them all to focus on a few people. The idea is all the same - persuasion is much more powerful than outright facts. If you can lie skillfully or find a crucial mistake to exploit while keeping a straight story people will often trust you easily. You trying to tell us something? | ||
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On February 04 2011 06:55 LunarDestiny wrote: o.o I did get roleblocked last night... The mod goofed off there. So if you were role blocked shouldn't somebody still be alive? | ||
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On February 04 2011 06:59 Coagulation wrote: wait wait wait. hold on. this could be purely speculation still. Lunardestiny could be capitalizing on a chance to avoid getting lynched today by just telling us this because it will get his ass off the line. Think about it. What reason does LD HAVE to DENY that he was roleblocked. OF Course hes gonna say he was roleblocked to get off the block. Whether he was or not. Wait yourself..... | ||
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On February 04 2011 07:07 Kavdragon wrote: NO. Bad. Look people, Bumatlarge has been analysed, and he's been found Scum. Beneather has been analysed and found Scum. BrownBear has NOT been found to be scum. Lynch Bum, SK beneather. Again, LD. The evidance is against Ben and Bum, not Brown. I'll go along with that. For now. Somebody do an analysis of Brown Bear. I think you'll find most of his stuff is mostly fluff. Long winded agreements and what not. But I'd leave that up to somebody much more capable than I am. Plus he has cat in his profile. Day1 mentions cat. If the clues are as simplistic as "duct tape"...... | ||
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On February 04 2011 07:10 Coagulation wrote: why not vote beneather and shoot BUM? whats your logic for doing it backwards? Kavdragons are noted for their contrariness. | ||
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On February 04 2011 10:13 BrownBear wrote: Jesus, relax, I just got back. I'm switching my vote now. Also, what the hell, shoot me instead of a confirmed mafia player? Major FoS on Jackal, Coag, darmousseh and Impervious for being absolutely fucking idiotic. In NO SITUATION is that ever a good plan, LD just wants revenge on me for pushing heavily for his lynch. I'm not being idiotic cat man do continue. | ||
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On February 04 2011 10:18 BrownBear wrote: Color me impressed by your in-depth analysis of me, complete with it's own table of contents, index, and fancy color-coded chapters. Bravo. Also, Jackal, you have shown me absolutely no reason to trust your analysis or clue-hunting, at all. I freely admit to that. What I do know is scum needs to contribute nothing but agreements and town self destructs all by itself. | ||
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On January 24 2011 00:38 BrownBear wrote: /confirm, and lol @ the mayoral campaigns. Good to see nobody's freaking out yet. Good to see On January 24 2011 03:34 BrownBear wrote: Interesting idea. I think the mayor would have to pick 2 scum as his bodyguards in that case - I'm not convinced mafia wouldn't just sacrifice a goon to take out a really powerful blue role. If the mayor can get the GF/roleblocker as his bodyguard, he's probably guaranteed safe for a little while. On the flipside, if he picks DTs/medics/whoever, he's screwing town over. So prospective mayors, take note: I want to see some theorycrafting on who you're going to pick as your bodyguards, and why. Before anyone really starts voting, we should start talking about bodyguard selection. Nice post. Good substance. Wait. No there isn't How does mayor know the roles of players he picks? Just fluff. On January 24 2011 04:43 BrownBear wrote: I mean, the risk that our mayor is scum is always one we have to take, given that we're electing on day 1, when we have very little to go on. That's why the mayoral candidate should be postulating on these things, and be very active, so it increases the chance that he'll slip up if he's scum. Again good advice that really offers nothing. On January 24 2011 09:08 BrownBear wrote: Agreed. I really think mafia would sacrifice a goon for the mayor - all the more reason why we shouldn't let them. Actually, a thought provoking idea. Would it be worth it to have veterans claim, and select them as bodyguards? I'm not convinced that it would work that well, but I'd like to hear some debate on it. Actually, our best best case scenario is to have the SK picked as a bodyguard... Which is the baseline scenario, which isn't great for us, but isn't terrible either. It gives us at least a day of census. So, I want to ask this question, and propose this discussion point: Should we have veterans claim and be used as bodyguards? And also: What about trying to get the Serial Killer as a bodyguard? But you want to kill LD. He has no use to you now does he? On January 25 2011 01:58 BrownBear wrote: I'm comfortable with RoL for the time being... at least, more comfortable than I am with anyone else except Dr H, and he's thrown support behind RoL. It's no offense to Kav or kitaman, I just don't know their playstyles as well. Nobody should be volunteering yet, I don't think volunteering is a good strategy. If we volunteer greens, it lowers the number of people in the pool of potential blues, so mafia can easily bluesnipe. If we volunteer blues, it's basically saying "HEY MAFIA FREE BLUES GO GO GO" Blues' greatest asset is their anonymity and the ability to hide amongst the greens, and we want to preserve that as long as possible. Your previous post you were all about discussing blue volunteers????? On January 25 2011 02:52 BrownBear wrote: I highly recommend everyone set up a spreadsheet now, with the following: Each player in the game What role they've soft/hardclaimed (includes mayor/bodyguard) Profile picture Public Profile Quote/Signature Random notes about them Links to important posts theyve made. (i.e. contradictions, good analysis, etc.) If you start cataloguing this now, it gets a lot easier, and it really helps you analyze people later in the game. Also, it's a good habit to get into, for any mafia game, if you want to improve. You WILL catch shit you might have missed otherwise. Good advice. Nothing to argue about. On January 25 2011 05:56 BrownBear wrote: Hi d3! Hi Deconduo! So will DocH and Pandain's profiles be used throughout the whole game, or just for today? What a welcoming friendly townie you are. On January 25 2011 08:55 BrownBear wrote: Who is aidinai? More importantly, why has he managed to completely derail town with one useless post? Let's focus more on the mayoral debate. For one, I wonder why RoL voted Kav without giving reason. Maybe he's just not voting for himself, either because he doesn't think he can, or because he is being polite. Or maybe he's decided he doesn't want the mayoral position that much after all. If so, why? Post is a page and a half after the fact. What a good townie. Let's continue the derailment. On January 25 2011 10:37 BrownBear wrote: I would think RoL would have posted saying "NVM guys, my bad, don't want to be mayor after all..." Perhaps he's feeling apathetic about this game as well? If so, why is he still playing? Apathy shouldn't be tolerated. I'll switch over to Kav in a second. Let's not just all agree on killing ON right now though. More discussion/analysis = better chance of killing someone. Also, ON isn't really doing a good job of defending himself if he actually is scum. Typically scum are more active in their defense, and will usually try to deflect suspicion onto someone else, or highlight someone else's scummy behavior. Basically, draw suspicion away from them, not act like the suspicion is no big deal. That speaks apathetic townie to me, not scum. Are they now. On January 25 2011 10:37 BrownBear wrote:Honestly, if we become convinced he's SK, we should just make him a bodyguard, and lynch him at our leisure. Well we are at our leisure now. On January 25 2011 16:45 BrownBear wrote: RoL has the better plan for the mayorship IMO. However, Kav has been more far more active than RoL. Makes this tough. I wish we had more than 2 serious candidates. Fine, adds nothing though. On January 26 2011 03:06 BrownBear wrote: On January 26 2011 03:02 Kavdragon wrote: The bolded parts are a seeming contradiction, but the rest of it simply doesn't make sense. I'd be interested in what your opinions are on these topics, but I can't understand what you are trying to say. Your plan seems like a way of clumping the mafia's targets into a small group of people to get them all killed easily... I'm pretty sure his overarching point is "figure out who the mafia would conceivably target night one, then don't pick them as bodyguards." Which still doesn't make any sense, because making someone a bodyguard is painting a huge fucking target above their head. Pretty much true. But why wouldn't you put somebody with a target on them into a position with a target on them This seems pro scum. Gimme moar targets dammit!!!!!! On January 26 2011 05:10 BrownBear wrote: Here's my bodyguard-picking 2 cents. I've gone through and looked at every idea proposed so far that I could find, plus a couple of my own I added. Note that for this, we're assuming that selecting two scum is impossible and could only happen by blind luck, so we're aiming for two green bodyguards as our optimal scenario unless specified otherwise. Option 1: RNG: We RNG two bodyguards, who then accept. Upside: impossible for mafia or SK to affect results somehow Downside: No way to affect what roles are picked, makes the 1 red/1 green BG scenario far more likely. Verdict: Let's not do this. It's just stupid, relying on luck to save our asses. Option 2: Greenclaim: Have two greens volunteer, they are chosen as bodyguards. Upside: If it works, we get two green bodyguards, enough to keep mayor alive for at least another cycle. Downside: Reds can claim green easily to screw it up. Verdict: Also not something we should be doing. In a perfect world where there were no reds, it would work out okay. Of course, in a perfect world where there were no reds, we would have already won. Option 3: Blueclaim: Two blues claim, they are chosen as bodyguards. Upside: Not a whole lot. Downside: Reds can still claim to mess it up, it paints a target on two valuable blues. Verdict: LOL dear god no. Option 4: Vetclaim: Two Veterans claim, they are chosen as bodyguards. Upside: Vets are tough to kill, make excellent bodyguards. Essentially make mayor invulnerable for at least 3-4 cycles. Downside: Reds can STILL claim to mess it up (and they will.) Vets more useful hidden amongst the town, to soak hits. No guarantee this setup has two vets. Verdict: If it wasn't for the fact that reds can claim, I'd be in support of this idea. I personally think vets would be more useful ensuring we have census for basically the entire game than sitting in the silent majority, hoping they can soak up a hit. However, there's no way a smart mafia team wouldn't have a goon claim vet, with no way to prove/disprove it, and that's a 66% chance we run into the 1 town-1 scum setup. So no. Option 5: Mayoral preference: Mayor picks his bodyguards, they accept. Upside: Kav/RoL are both good players, can probably select two greens. Downside: Kav/RoL aren't infallible, scum mayor can basically screw town over with this by intentionally selecting blues (bluesniping) and making it look accidental when they die, gives all the power to the mayor, something we want to avoid. Verdict: I don't like it, despite Kav kind of softly pushing for it. I'd vote against this plan. Option 6: The vote: Town votes on who should be bodyguard, Mayor selects those two. Upside: Puts the decision in the hands of the town, meaning if we screw up, we have only ourselves to blame. We can also pool our thoughts to hopefully make the best decision possible. Downside: Scum mayor can again screw this up easily by influencing town discussion. Town is not infallible, in fact far from it. Verdict: The first option I'd actually consider. Still not a great option, but at least it a) gets discussion flowing and b) doesn't let the mayor become an all-powerful role. Option 7: The Bait-and-Switch: Mayor calls for volunteers for bodyguard/gets town to choose a pool of candidates, then selects from the pool of people who didn't volunteer/weren't chosen. Upside: Prevents scum meddling (assuming green/blue mayor). Downside: Raises chance that a blue is chosen as bodyguard. No way to actually tell town that this is the plan, so mayor has to be good at explaining himself to avoid lynch. Verdict: A fun little tactic, not that useful, considering most of the volunteers/selection pool will probably be green, so the mayor would be picking from the blues/reds. I don't like it. Option 8: The SK Gambit: Somehow town gets the SK or SKs to agree to be bodyguards. Upside: To my knowledge, only RED bodyguards won't protect the mayor, so SKs will do their job. Makes mayor essentially invincible. Gets the SKs out in the open, to be lynched at our leisure. Downside: No way in hell the SKs would ever agree to this. Verdict: A fun little pipe-dream that will never be a reality. Still, just imagine. So... yeah, that's all I could find. Right now, Option 6 looks like our best bet, what do you all say? Great post this one. It all makes perfect sense. Except it's not possible. How does anybody know at this point or at any point in this game what a players alignment is? Great fluff right there. On January 26 2011 05:13 BrownBear wrote: Oops, Option 9: CubEdIn's thing: On January 26 2011 04:59 CubEdIn wrote: Since there's no way I'll be mayor, here is a kind of system I thought of to bring as many scum/sk into the bodyguards picks. It's not perfect, but I believe it has a good chance (20-30%ish) of hitting a red in the BGs: Step 1: RnG 8 people (out of everyone BUT mayor candidates and people who already volunteered as BG), ask them to confirm/veto if they wanna be BG Step 2: Tally up the number of vetos, and lurkers, and mayor candidates (not relevant in this case, since it's just 1-2 other ppl). Step 3: a) If the number of vetos is high (4 or more), pick 2 BGs from the people who veto-ed. Sure, some might be blues, but not all of them, so there's a high chance a Mafia/SK didn't want BG. If it's a scared townie, then you're not losing much anyway. b) If the number of vetos is low (<=3), then pick one BG from that and 1 from lurkers. This is the suckiest scenario, but it still has a decent shot of picking a Maifa out of luck. Technically, 8 ppl is about 1/3 of the players if you exclude candidates and ppl who asked for BG role, so there should be roughly 2 mafia in there. At least one. c) If the number of vetos is 0 (everyone agrees), pick 2 people out of the 8, as mafias would try to blend in, and blues that agreed would be ok (maybe vets or so). __________________________________________________________________________ Of course, this will not work if everyone knows the selection criteria, and it's not even polished. I didn't put too much thought into it as I figured I wouldn't get to use it. Also, the criteria would've been posted on a different forum or hidden somewhere with a date stamp, so that the town knows you're not just making them up AFTER you know the results of the tally. They would later be revealed to town. So I know you can't use this (especially since there's no time for people to accept/veto), but maybe I gave you some ideas. Interesting. I actually kind of like it, but the problem is it puts immediate pressure on the veto-ers. Pretty much the only people who would veto would be a) blues that want to stay hidden like medics/DTs, or b) SKs. So a veto would instantly equal a "HEY! Look at me! I don't want to be in the spotlight!" which would make scum immediately target them. Either they kill off a blue, or they bounce off an SK, then claim vig in the thread and get the SK lynched. So cool idea, but I have to say no, too risky. Another great post contributing fluff. Actually whay he's saying is scum will be on any veto list. Of course it's to risky for him. On January 26 2011 05:46 BrownBear wrote: On January 26 2011 05:30 CubEdIn wrote: Which brings me to your Option 6. It looks ok to me, but do we have time to set up a vote? And even if we do, I think it still helps the Mafia more, because they can push someone they want dead as a a BG and hit two birds with one stone. Honestly, I hope to god they do this. Part of the point of setting up the vote is to provide a ton of fodder for discussion and analysis, and if we notice that a group of people moved to place someone as a BG who died that night... well, that's something to work with then, isn't it? Nothing added just Agreement. On January 26 2011 06:01 BrownBear wrote: Well, I know I for one would support less well-known, under-the-radar players, for two reasons: 1) They're less likely to get the treatment you mentioned, and 2) They're generally less skilled analysts (not a knock against them, it comes with being new), so their deaths mean less to town. Of course, not everyone thinks like I do, so your criticism has merit. At the same time, we're getting closer and closer to defaulting to "Kav/RoL just picks the bodyguards" and I really don't like that option. Killing 1 townie over another is good for town. On January 26 2011 08:19 BrownBear wrote: On January 26 2011 08:12 bumatlarge wrote: A scum mayor is the worst scenario by far, regardless of anything else. This means we will never get information on town numbers. False-claims will be rampant, and it will turn into a clue-crapshoot. I want to avoid this at all cost. For this reason, I believe one of RoL or Kav is scum. It's just way to strong an opportunity to pass up. If we are luky, dr.H was the mafia claim, but seeing as how he had relatively no votes, I don't think this is a viable outcome to put your hopes in. I feel we should RNG our mayor :/ as right now we have a 50% shot at picking a scum mayor, or we can take a <25% chance at one. I'd like to hear thoughts. On a BG plan + Show Spoiler + We want to use the census as long as possible because it's basically 1/2 of a coroner everyday. I've been thinking this through and I believe the best option is to splice 4 and 5. Option 4: Vetclaim: Two Veterans claim, they are chosen as bodyguards. Upside: Vets are tough to kill, make excellent bodyguards. Essentially make mayor invulnerable for at least 3-4 cycles. Downside: Reds can STILL claim to mess it up (and they will.) Vets more useful hidden amongst the town, to soak hits. No guarantee this setup has two vets. Verdict: If it wasn't for the fact that reds can claim, I'd be in support of this idea. I personally think vets would be more useful ensuring we have census for basically the entire game than sitting in the silent majority, hoping they can soak up a hit. However, there's no way a smart mafia team wouldn't have a goon claim vet, with no way to prove/disprove it, and that's a 66% chance we run into the 1 town-1 scum setup. So no. Option 5: Mayoral preference: Mayor picks his bodyguards, they accept. Upside: Kav/RoL are both good players, can probably select two greens. Downside: Kav/RoL aren't infallible, scum mayor can basically screw town over with this by intentionally selecting blues (bluesniping) and making it look accidental when they die, gives all the power to the mayor, something we want to avoid. Verdict: I don't like it, despite Kav kind of softly pushing for it. I'd vote against this plan. We have only 1 veteran claim. We should tell him to refresh the thread to avoid multiple claims. He will be first choice. Yes, mafia can claim it, but I'm not entirely sure mafia wants to which I will get to in a minute. The next BG will be chosen by Mayor. He will make the person is believes is most likely a vanilla town. If he is scum, then we can't be sure what he will do, but a mafia BG leaves a nice SK target on his back. So this would ultimately lead to how badly the other factions want the mayor to die. With 30 people in the game, I believe there are several set-ups. 5 mafia, 2-3SKs. 6-7 mafia, 1-2 SKs 7-8 mafia, No SKs (8 seems highly unlikely) With a rough 25% of players being non-town, BG chosen by mayor has a good chance of being town. With more mafia then veterans, statistically mafia will be more likely to be 2nd BG. I believe SK has no real purpose in trying to kill mayor within first 3 days. As a lone-wolf, he benefits from information brought to town, and he can blend well until medics and vets start getting counted. He can't really fake why he survived a hit if a mafia about to get lynched accuses him of being an SK. Ultimately, SK wants mayor to state how many mafia, SKs, one other blue role to keep his clam safe. SK should be preoccupied with DT and mafia sniping. For this reason, I do not like censusing DTs til later on, so SKs won't feel safe enough to hit mayor. Mafia then will take a stab at non-townie mayor very early on. Medics should take a high-priority in protecting BGs, and if both die and mayor is alive, I don't think you should take it off him. This could work, I'm not clear on why you don't think mafia will try to falseclaim vet? You never really got to that point, unless I'm missing something. More good townie agreement. Without adding anything. But you did go along with it. Right here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7725757 On January 27 2011 14:16 BrownBear wrote: If anyone took a hit, now would be your time to claim. Also, right now I think the most obvious clue was pointed out already by LD: On January 27 2011 11:34 LunarDestiny wrote: Some nights I thirst for real blood For real knives For real cries And then the flash of steel from real guns In real life Really fills my mind You can’t hide Nemesis Archer's Reality Marble: Reality Marble "I am the bone of my sword. Steel is my body, and fire is my blood. I have created over a thousand blades. Unknown to death. Nor known to life. Have withstood pain to create many weapons. Yet, these hands will never hold anything. So as I pray, 'Unlimited Blade Works'." That's a pretty damning point directly to Nemesis. I do agree that we shouldn't lynch based purely off of clues though. Right now, who I'm thinking of voting for is either Nem or bum. I have voted for Nemesis for the time being, but that is definitely open to change depending on the situation. Role searching. Tiny push at Bum But his vote is on Nemesis. On January 28 2011 03:27 BrownBear wrote: On January 28 2011 03:16 Kavdragon wrote: A few mysteries that are left to solve: What other effect(s) does the black liquid have? What is the real goal of sending 31 people to an island, infected by this virus? In normal games it is a common theme that the blood runs an alignment matching color. Is the virus what causes people to not flip? If so, is there a way to cure it? I think it might be a riff off the fact that since people do not flip, their names are turning up black in the mod posts, hence the "black" blood? Or, since a lot of the posts are from the perspective of the SK, maybe it's a reference to his status as a 3rd party character? I don't think the island or the virus really have any effect beyond adding backstory, though. Appears to be trying to solve the clue. On January 28 2011 07:44 BrownBear wrote: On January 28 2011 07:16 Kavdragon wrote: The problem with DT claiming in this situation is that we have nothing to check him by. If he says someone is mafia, there's no way we can tell for sure. Also, we don't know if we have more than one medic in this setup. That's actually a good point. However, using logic we should be able to deduce at least a decent guess as to how many blues we have. For example, a rule of thumb with most games played is to give town 1 fewer medics than there are KP. Assuming SIN is telling the truth, we have 3 KP in this setup (Mafia probably has 2, SK has 1), so logically, given that knowledge as well as the number of players in the game, we should have 2 medics. Problem is, we don't know how many of them have died yet. For all we know, Meapak and TheAldo were both our medics (very unlikely, I know, but still.) More fluff and agreement On January 28 2011 13:09 BrownBear wrote: On January 28 2011 13:04 Coagulation wrote: Kav looks like hes doing a good job so far he has covered all the bases i have seen. But dont worry i do got a list of you scummy fuckers its just not time to start shoving them down everyones fucking throat yet I would disagree with you. I'd love to see that list right now. So would we all. More fluff. On January 28 2011 13:38 BrownBear wrote: On January 28 2011 13:07 kitaman27 wrote: Despite me poking at coag, I still think we should focus the lynch between nemesis and RoL rather than spread it out between a bunch of people. RoL has been laying low relative to how he started and nemesis hasn't really defended himself adequately either. I'm more concerned about RoL laying low than Nemesis' clue connections. We can analyze how the clues connect to Nem all we want, but it's very strange that RoL was reasonably active for a day leading up to Kav being chosen as mayor, then disappeared off the radar. With that in mind, time to take a closer look at our possibly-friendly neighborhood RebirthOfLegenD. IMPORTANT STATS: Posts in thread: 37 Posts Day 1: 29 Posts Day 2: 8 (At this rate, he'll have 17 or so by the end of the day cycle.) This is an interesting thing, which I just mentioned. He's been significantly more inactive Day 2 than Day 1. This could be attributed to a number of things (he's not trying to run a mayoral campaign, everyone's a little less active day 2, etc.), but really, it's worth noticing. It by itself means nothing, though, lets look at more stuff. PROFILE: He has no photo, so that's easy. Let's look at his public profile: Welcome to the war "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." "What happens to a dream deferred? Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun? Or fester like a sore-- And then run? Does it stink like rotten meat? Or crust and sugar over-- like a syrupy sweet? Maybe it just sags like a heavy load. Or does it explode?" Page 150 of auto ban list Lag was just temp banned for 1 week by Hot_Bid. That account was created on 2009-03-04 00:41:24 and had 16 posts. Reason: I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you want to troll, I can tell you I have no patience for that. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long moderation career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop the stupidity now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, in one week, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you. And his quote: "Be a man, Become a Legend. TL Mafia Forum Ask for access!!" Nice plug of the mafia forum there, and I was unable to find any clues pointing to that. To his public profile though... People have mentioned the "You can't run" possibly referring to MP running away, I'm not sure I buy it. It's a very very tenuous connection at best. That said, I'm not sure Node/LSB wanted to make the clues as obvious as they seem to be about Nemesis, so... perhaps. Moving on to the really important bit: ANALYSIS OF HIS POSTS: On January 23 2011 18:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: hey! I will run for mayor too. My platform is only that I will destroy the souls of mafia. That is all. His first post after the game has really gotten started. I can't tell if this is a subtle critique of Kav and kita's silly mayoral platforms, or whether he actually was serious from the get-go. Regardless, he gets more serious about his platform quickly: On January 23 2011 23:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I haven't actually read most of the thread yet. Kav is a decent and level headed townie, although I don't remember ever seeing him as mafia. I tend to be much more erratic of a player but I do get results whatever we choose I am fine with. Oh wait nevermind. A soft endorsement of Kav. Going off of meta, which I agree with in terms of Kav being a good player and a reasonable dude. I'm sure he gets serious about his candidacy at some point... On January 24 2011 09:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Do I vote here? I don't see a thread so I will assume yes. I will vote for Kavdragon I suppose. ##Vote: Kavdragon Not yet... On January 24 2011 18:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: TMM2, Insane Mafia, Merc Mafia would be accurate to my current play style. All my previous games as mafia would not be accurately representative of my current skill. If you want an overview of my play style I will just tell you. As a town I am generally more aggressive, while as mafia I am more conservative with what I do. Although I think the play styles would be harder to tell apart, I think a distinct difference which I know I used to make and work to rectify is that as mafia I will be more focused on a few individuals while as town I will focus on many. The reason being is as mafia its harder to create a fake case that you can believe in and believing the viability of what you are telling people is the most key part to any game as mafia. When you are lying you have to know your story has as few holes and logical inconsistencies as possible. If you look at Merc mafia and read how I played I made sure not to mimic previous play styles and played hyper aggressive, although that could be attributed to the fact that Annul/LD teaming up would of lead to our demise. If you read what I wrote from my perspective I was much more coherent than Annul and my points kind of stuck together and I rarely attempted to make huge jumps. Only at the end did it become much harder to keep my story but that was due to the complexity of the game and the hassle that contracts created. I think the biggest tell I have as mafia is my behavior on AIM. I generally obsess over mafia games and read it for hours and hours each day until I die. As town I tend to post whenever I feel like it but as mafia I only post when I feel it is necessary. IE: I will feign inactivity to avoid commenting on a situation, or make sure I wait until its too late to reverse a stupid band wagon. Usually if I do the latter I will purposely try to divert the lynch to a team mate that way if either one of us dies it makes the other look better via wifom. Now as far as this game goes, I am honestly just tired and I know this game is going to be a fucking shitstorm if you guys haven't learned ANYTHING from previous games. If you took NOTHING from Salem, if you took NOTHING from PYP3 then this game is going to be fucking gay as shit and we are going to get RAPED. Let me explain why. In those games people flipped and eventually you kind of got an idea if someone was full of shit after 3 mislynches, but in this you don't know if something is a mislynch so you can have one asshole doing clue and behavioral analysis killing town left and right and you don't know if hes right or wrong. If everyone is focusing on that one person to champion them to victory you are going to doom us. Especially if the mayor is mafia. The ONLY way to confirm if any mafia have died is with 2 census reports. One today on mafia count and one somewhere down the line. The problem with that is if the mafia gets mayor we have no idea if we are on the right track and could easily get manipulated into having another game where we have 9/10 mislynches. Here is how we counter this. Everyone fucking analyze everything. Do not EVER let one person do all the work, to win this game the town has to keep analyzing. Everyone has to analyze and we have to decide what has the most merit as a collective. If you have a few people doing analysis we will lose in this game faster and harder then in any other set up. Seriously guys. This isn't a fucking boot camp, this isn't some let us baby you set up. In this set up if you are lazy, if you fuck up, you lose us the game. This game requires an effort from EVERY townie to actually win and fuck if we get a mafia mayor then we are fucked. If any single person seems to be trying to take control of the town and who we lynch that is suspicious because channeling our lynches on the thoughts of one person who we can't prove there worth is going to make us die. Now to business. I ain't fucking mafia. If you make me the mayor I will do everything I can to ensure that we stay organized and have EVERYONE doing analysis. If you aren't going to put work into analysis then you need to get the fuck out of the game the express way, via death. Anyone who is scared to contribute is most likely mafia not wanting to be suspicious and if you refuse to contribute you should be considered top of the list suspicious. Now onto why I think the other candidates suck. DoctorHelvetica is okay and organizing the town but he ALWAYS takes a too central role and runs around in circles chasing his own tail until the mafia decide to put him out of his misery. Look at Salem. If this game is played like Salem where everyone just agrees on what one person says we are going to lose, and we are going to lose hard. DoctorHelvetica has never proven himself able to handle the town without putting too much focus on himself. The worst part about this is his town play that I have seen for mayor would play so hard against us, and if hes mafia he just has to do the same shit and keep the town tunneled and making bad decisions and we are boned. DoctorHelvetica will be an EXTREMELY dangerous mayor to have one way or the other and he is not worth the risk. Kavdragon I feel a lot better about. He's a pretty level headed guy in the games I played with him and as he showed in Merc Mafia hes not above manipulating the shit out of people. Although he is a nice guy and I don't know if he could be direct enough to yell at people and get people killed when it comes down to it. Can you berate someone until they contribute and do what you want? Can you do the analysis and the follow through to take down scum? I know Kavdragon is decent but I don't think he has the experience like I do for this position. Although I don't believe he is mafia. I haven't seen him play a game as mafia yet and he seems like the cautious type who wouldn't put himself out there without experience. What I mean by that is if Kav was mafia I think he would play more layed back because hes not as familiar with what to do, while if he was town he would be more outgoing and confident in his play and run for mayor. Those are my current thoughts on the election. I obviously think I am better qualified than anyone else for the position and I think I am our best bet to victory. Overall though the best chance for victory is in the towns collective efforts. This is the game where all the mafia has to do is shut down the active contributors and win because we are in the dark. However if the whole town is active that plan doesn't exist for them. The only way to win this game is through overwhelming effort and activity. Lets the last game I play show that TL town's have learned something from bootcamp, let this game show that even when a game forces the town to use every ounce of cunning we have to win that we can step up and do it. Let this be the game where the town overcame the mafia. BOOM. There we go. This is his real platform here. The most important thing here is, he tells us his playstyle. I've only played a couple games with him, but he plays pretty much like he said, so he is telling us the truth here. Not a very scummy move at all, giving the town the key with which to catch and lynch you. He goes on to talk about metastrategy regarding the other candidates. Here, I think he sells Dr. H a little bit short, (I think Dr. H is a pretty good player and a decent scumhunter) but he's very clear about what he wants the plan for town to be: He's not taking a central role, all faith is not placed in him, he's just playing the role almost of cheerleader, getting town to get psyched about catching scum, getting them all involved. That's not a scummy move at all, in fact that's the opposite. A scum mayor would be much more like "trust in me guys, I'll save you!", then lead town in circles while mafia ate them alive. RoL wants town to win, that much is clear from this post. He disappears for a while after this post, which is kind of strange. I guess his apathy got the better of him... He comes back after most people have abandoned his campaign and tries to save it with a few one liners that outline good strategy, but in a really lazy, half-assed way. Then: On January 25 2011 13:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I don't believe in a mayor centered town obviously. That is stupid. I am going to try to encourage everyone to contribute and analyze because that is the only way we are going to win this game. We need to make people talk and make them slip up if they are not town aligned. The only reason I want to be mayor is so I have a longer period of time where I can try and make people contribute and attempt to be a voice of reason. So Amber, how are things? I find it interesting that you quick response my prod when I know you do 4 day work weeks at home and somehow don't really contribute much besides responding to that  Anyway, I am going to girlfriends for a few hours. When I get back you will all get more. This is the core of his platform, and rehashes the above long post into a much more cohesive idea: Mayor-centric towns lose games. This is true. Also, he calls out Amber, which ended up being inconsequential - so far. On January 25 2011 13:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I like your reasoning Kav all up until the bit about the mason's. By the mason joining with the mayor it is creating a circle so to speak which I believe is what will do us in. We can't have all our ideas coming from 2-3 people. I want everyone contributing and by creating a circle you destroy possibility of that. I don't approve of any plan that puts powerful people and powerful roles together when they can't be confirmed. It leads to players looking for guidance from those who they perceive as "knowing more". Mason's are an interesting role. The way I'd recommend playing it would be to try to recruit those who you think are town and treat everything they say as if you think they are mafia. IN PMland people are more likely to slip up and say something stupid. They are also more inclined to try to hard manipulate someone through PM's. From a mafia perspective it is MUCH safer than manipulating people publicly. Anyway, the mason role needs to be constantly vigilant and never too trusting. I will switch my vote back too kav. Good honest debate here, discussing how the mason role works. Again, so far I haven't seen anything that's triggering my scumdar. I could go into Day 2, but not enough has been posted yet. CONCLUSION: It seems the only real case against RoL is from his inactivity Day 2 + one really tenuous clue connection. He's been outlining some very helpful practices town should be following, hasn't contradicted himself yet, and hasn't done anything obviously scummy. The only weird thing is his apathy. He's come out and posted great stuff, but very sporadically, and his heart doesn't really seem to be in this game like it has in the past. For that reason, I'm pegging him as Green, and a very apathetic green. What RoL should do is try and recapture some of the energy of past games, and get his ass in gear to provide this high quality analysis he says is coming. Appears to be a good honest analysis. But if you read it he really doesn't say anything other than RoL is a bit inactive. On January 29 2011 06:15 BrownBear wrote: It's actually a good thing that we haven't tunneled into a "lynch one person at all costs" mentality, but now we need to actually pick between Nemesis/RoL/Coagulation. So I'm going to do some analysis of Coag. Here's what I know about him from past games: A very aggressive player, especially when under suspicion Doesn't always take the effort to analyze/often goes along with majority Often posts a lot of one-line/contentless posts, broken up rarely by one huge one. Disappears randomly. I don't know how his scum game differs from his town game, because I've only ever played with Coag the townie. So overall, I really haven't seen him ever be super-helpful to town. Maybe during my short hiatus he's shaped up his game, though. Let's take a look at his profile and try to connect it to clues: Picture: none. What's up with everyone forgetting pictures? Quote: derp DERP. Completely useless. Public Profile: His post about holding TL hostage. Important points that might find their way into clues: -Hostages, if we ever see a death where kidnapping/holding someone is involved that might point to him -sharks, unlikely though -flying monkeys, even less likely -manifesto? I don't know, his profile seems specifically engineered to be clue-proof. This is annoying. Fuck it, let's just look at his posts: On January 23 2011 15:44 Coagulation wrote: Kavdragon for mayor is ok by me His first post of day 1, and only post for a while, seems to just be a "hey guys, I'm here" post. Trying to dodge any fingers pointing at inactives by popping in and contributing nothing? Or just a quick post because he's busy? Let's look further. On January 24 2011 15:38 Coagulation wrote: i will volunteer as a bodyguard Coag's second post, near the end of the cycle, and his only other post for day 1. An unacceptable level of inactivity, and since Day 1 was 48 hours, not really something he can excuse. Let's look further into this though. He pops in once to say "yo guys, this thing we're doing, I agree with it." Then he pops in again while we're discussing bodyguard selection to say "yo guys, this thing we're doing, I agree with it. Sign me up." He posted that right after we had kind of decided "maybe having people volunteer for BG isn't such a good idea after all." This shows a severe lack of paying attention on Coag's part, and kind of makes him look like he's entirely uninterested in what town has to say. That's it for Day 1, let's move on to Night 1: On January 26 2011 15:38 Coagulation wrote: referes to the mafia Kp count as "we're" and refers to the "town" in an outside perspective. Badly worded post or scumslip? His first post in a while, completely out of nowhere, right as people are wondering "huh, there hasn't been enough anger in the thread. Where'd Coag go?" (ok, I kid, but you get the point). LD does point out Coag does this a lot, though, right before Coag drops in out of the blue. Furthermore, he posts just to throw a ton of suspicion on Beneather, who has just been selected as a bodyguard. I should mention that Beneather has started to come under more suspicion, so perhaps his argument has merit, and to be fair it was a terribly worded post regardless of Beneather's alignment. Anyway, that plus a couple useless posts are all the activity we get out of him Night 1. Moving on... We talk about bum for awhile, people die, we are sad, we talk about Nemesis, Nemesis defends himself, then Coag posts to whine about the setup: On January 27 2011 15:21 Coagulation wrote: i dont like not knowing what roles people are when they die makes it 100x harder for town. i dont see how this could be balanced fairly. That's great, but why are you choosing to whine about it now? It seems like a very contrived post, and another "hey guys look I'm still here" thing. Fortunately people start noticing, and especially after LD's list, start calling him out. Then he posts why: On January 28 2011 11:59 Coagulation wrote: its not that i dont read the thread i just dont post unless i see something worth posting about. Well, I'd love to believe that, but all but one of your posts so far have been worthless. Completely. kita agrees, and calls him out on it. Then Coag references the ONE useful post he's had all game as a "look I've been helpful" excuse. On January 28 2011 12:07 Coagulation wrote: umm do you read my post's? + Show Spoiler + On January 26 2011 15:38 Coagulation wrote: referes to the mafia Kp count as "we're" and refers to the "town" in an outside perspective. Badly worded post or scumslip? Again, I just can't buy it. kita continues to push him, and Coag lightly OMGUS's kita in return. On January 28 2011 12:13 Coagulation wrote: sure like now i can point out how extremely aggressive kitaman27 is pushing suspicion on me for no reason and say its starting to look scummy. + Show Spoiler + "So there has been nothing this entire game that has been worth posting about? Not a single person that seems fishy?" i gave you an example that proves your blowing things out of proportion. He's very wrong here for a number of reasons. The thread has reached page 45 when this is posted, which means 900 posts have been recorded, about 700 of which are post-start of the game. Of these 700 posts, he's posted about 12 times, and 1 of these posts was actually useful. 700 divided by 31 is roughly 23, so he should have about 23 useful posts at this point in the game. He has 1. I don't see how kita's suspicion is in any way scummy. Yes, you referenced your one post, that's great. However, in order to defend yourself fully you should have referenced at least 3 or 4 with reasons why they were good posts. The fact that not only didn't you do this, but you couldn't do this, is pretty bad. On January 28 2011 12:17 Coagulation wrote: when town its usually best to lay low unless theres a reason not to. when late game comes i post more. also many people will confirm that i post 100x more when im mafia. Here's something I actually want to confirm. Who has played with Coagulation before, and can confirm or deny this? I honestly want to know. Blueclaaaaim. From everything that's happened up to this point, though, I really don't believe it. On January 28 2011 13:04 Coagulation wrote: Kav looks like hes doing a good job so far he has covered all the bases i have seen. But dont worry i do got a list of you scummy fuckers its just not time to start shoving them down everyones fucking throat yet I haven't seen this list yet, and I really want to. So Coag, where's your list? This is a good lesson: Anytime someone who is under suspicion says they have a list/spreadsheet/whatever that contains how to win/catch mafia/bake cookies/whatever, MAKE THEM SHOW IT. If they refuse to show it, THREATEN TO LYNCH THEM UNTIL THEY DO. If they don't have one, that means they lied. And liars are scum, 99% of the time. On January 28 2011 13:33 Coagulation wrote: CubEdIn tube Kenpachi Divinek scum be there Didn't see this post earlier, but if this is meant to be your list, perhaps we should just stop trying. I'm holding out that you actually have a list beyond this, though. I have to. On January 28 2011 13:41 Coagulation wrote: YA hence why i hadnt felt it necessary to post my suspects yet. Ok good, that wasn't your list, but then we get back to the where-is-your-list question. That's all of consequence I could find on Coagulation, and trust me it was hard as fuck. VERDICT: I want to say scum, I really do. But I've been part of too many games where we lynch someone for the same reasons as these and they just end up being a bored townie who decided it wasn't worth it. So, here's what I say: Coagulation, I am CALLING YOU OUT. If you want suspicion to be taken off of you, you have to start playing better than this. I want to see you do these things: 1) Post a real list of suspects, not the piece of crap you posted earlier. 2) Start analyzing those suspects. Convince us that they're suspicious. 3) Refrain from posting the pointless "Hey guys look I'm here" posts in the future. Only post when you actually have something to add. 4) I want to see 15 quality posts a day from you, minimum. You can figure out what quality means yourself, you're a smart dude. I'm not going to advocate lynching you today because there's not enough time left. Consider yourself on super-seekrit probation though. If your game hasn't cleaned up by next day... I'm sure you can figure that out for yourself. Points FoS at Coag. So has everybody else at some point. On January 29 2011 07:25 BrownBear wrote: On January 29 2011 07:20 GMarshal wrote: Well its going to be really funny if we have 10 or so modkills If by funny you mean terrible and frustrating, then yeah. Right now I'm still undecided on Nemesis, and yes, I know my vote is on him. However, because I think RoL is town, I'm giving Coag a day to shape up, and bum's been very active/posting analysis, I'm sticking with Nem for now. Currently RoL is the vote leader, which is not something I'm cool with. Are we really lynching him? I'd like to hear reasons why, there hasn't been a real unified case against him. He mad. On January 29 2011 07:42 BrownBear wrote: My reasoning was, I put it on you at the beginning of the day for two reasons: 1) At the beginning, you had the strongest case against you in the clues, which you have since refuted, but also in a general unease at how you have been playing so far. You really didn't do all that much before people started suspecting you, and now you're doing nothing except defending yourself. 2)I try to vote at the beginning of the day, because I know sometimes I can vanish, due to shitty internet, work, partying, life outside TL, whatever. When I do vanish, that can lead to danger of modkill if I don't get back in time. So I throw a vote on whoever I think is most likely at the start of the day, then change it as new candidates come. So far, nobody has come forward that looks more suspicious than you, so my vote remains on you. Good reason right there. On January 30 2011 13:02 BrownBear wrote: Sorry I don't really have time to talk right now, it's Saturday night, just wanted to say I was roleblocked last night. Why claim something you can't prove? On January 31 2011 01:30 BrownBear wrote: Jackal, stop it with the OMGUS, he's right in that clues do point to you. Could it be possible that one of the modkills, RoL, or OriginalName was the SK, so the SK is dead already? I think next night cycle we should census the number of SKs left in the game, it would be great if we managed to nail him this early. I'm dropping a vote on Jackal for now, he's not posting constructively + clues point to him. I'm going to throw up some analysis later, but it would be amazing if it wasn't just me + bum + Kav doing the huge analysis posts... Still waiting. On January 31 2011 03:13 BrownBear wrote: People also seem to have missed this, but I was roleblocked last night. This means mafia definitely sent something in, at least. What seems more likely to me is this scenario: NIGHT 1: Mafia starts out with a KP of 2. SK has a KP of 1. 3 hits are sent in, 1 is blocked. NIGHT 2: SK was lynched, part of the mass modkill, or didn't send in his hit. Mafia sends in 2 hits, 1 is blocked. This means somebody still has to post saying "yo I took a hit last night" Does this make sense, or am I thinking about it wrong? Claiming something you can't prove again. Still claiming something you can't prove. On February 01 2011 15:43 BrownBear wrote: Oh christ yes we need to stop thinking about clues. They almost always end up with mafia gently encouraging town to chase red herrings anyway. Actually, as part of the behavioral analysis, it would be fun to go back and see if I can see any people that were trying to gently encourage the steelers clue. I'll do it tomorrow though, for right now I gotta sleep. You were. On February 02 2011 14:00 BrownBear wrote: Life's a bitch, ain't it. On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: Analyze the meaning of this dt claim and ask yourself would a town aligned player do this claim. If Bumatlarge is telling the truth: Because killing you = 1 less death every night? Come on. On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: -The final push for this dt claim is detecting that I am SK. But why would a town want to expose the SK. Mafia wouldn't choose to hit this presumed SK and target other town. Meanwhile, you just get to keep killing us. On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: -If Bumatlarge just want to lynch me, he could just have said that Lunar is SK or Mafia (don't know why he chose the former unless he is mafia and don't want lynching me to affect the presumed mafia count=5). Then the other two pieces of information is useless. What good would exposing the medic do? Nothing except for sparing him as lynch. As of now, claiming that Beneather is vanilla town is pointless since we are not lynching because of his bodyguard status. Medic is dead, thank you, try again. Also, it stops us from even discussing Beneather, so we don't waste our time chatting about him. On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: After Deconduo's death, only 1 of the 2 dog profile left is Beneather. Since dog meat is very likely to be a clue. He is trying to protect Beneather. Or the dog meat is a red herring. Or a number of other things. Yes, it's possible, but unlikely. On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: The reason for Kitaman is medic is rolefishing. What he want Kitaman to do? Claim medic? He can't talk, because he FUCKING DIED LAST NIGHT. On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: I ask people to read his dt claim carefully and think of the motive for his claim (is it pro-town or anti-town). I'm looking into it and reading the best thing that's happened to us all game. So, here's what I think we should do with this nugget of information. And yes, it does account for the fact that bum could be scum fucking with us. 1) We know there are 3 KP total in the game. 5 mafia means most likely 2 mafia KP. Therefore, there should only be 1 SK in the game since 1 SK = 1 KP, and 2 SK would = 2 SK would = either people have been getting protected and not telling us, or mafia has 1 KP split between 5 people (HIGHLY unlikely) 2) Therefore, we lynch LD today. He's obviously not going to be down with this plan and will likely stir a bunch of shit up. This doesn't mean we stop talking, we should analyze other people/think about our next move from here, but we lynch him today. 3) Tonight, Kav will census the number of SKs in the town. He's guaranteed to survive due to bodyguards still being alive. 4) If the SK count returns 0, we know bum was telling the truth. If it returns 1, bum is most likely lying. If it returns 2, bum is DEFINITELY lying and also insane. 1 means we should probably still lynch bum. So either way, we net a scum kill, either SK or mafia. Sounds like a win-win situation to me. Now, as a disclaimer, I'm high as shit right now, so I'm not gonna try and analyze. That said, let's get some analysis going ASAP. Just because our lynch is planned for today doesn't mean we should get complacent. See what happened last time we tried that? At this point in time you can do nothing else. Of course it is win win On February 02 2011 14:13 BrownBear wrote: On February 02 2011 14:08 Kavdragon wrote: Uh...Really guys? Look, LunarDestiny has been one of the biggest assets to the town. Beneather had looked really freaking scummy, and has clues agianst him. (If he's GF, why the hell would the mafia send him as their hitman? Bad logic). Kitaman is dead, and can't tell us anything. Firstly, Divinek: D3 was SK in Pokemafia and he cooperated with town. Scared the crap out of us mafia at the time. So yes, SK's CAN work with the town. It's in their best interest to work with whoever is losing. Secondly, Are we going to lynch one of the most active and actually helpful players this game? REGARDLESS of whether he is SK or not, he CAN be an asset to the town. As such we should NOT autovote him. That being said, I'm not yet convinced that Bum is actually a DT. This is all true, but the way to confirm bum as DT is to lynch LD, and I really think 1 less KP is worth having 1 less active player. Especially since now that he might be scum, it colors everything he says as potentially misleading, which is bad. To blindly trust in bum's DT claim is bad, but to blindly trust that everything LD has said is in town's best interests is also bad. The best course of action is to figure out who's telling the truth and who's a liar. But lynching LD wouldn't tell us anything you didn't already know. Hey win win We confirm bum is dt. Works out great for you doesn't it? On February 02 2011 14:14 BrownBear wrote: EBWOP: On top of what I said, you can't deny LD's defense of himself was a) kneejerk and b) pretty weak and full of holes (such as the whole not-realizing-kita-was-dead thing). Aren't all defenses knee jerk? No need to defend ourselves if we aren't accused of something Pure fluff. On February 02 2011 17:25 BrownBear wrote: So a guy is called out by someone who has claimed detective and rolechecked tem (which should be taken extremely seriously). Then he's like "LOL, LOOK, CLUES" and all of the sudden you all are like "wow, dude, great job! You're useful, we should ignore you and your obvious scumtitude and talk about these clues!" LSB was right. You all really are sheeple. Good townie post. Fluff. On February 03 2011 01:43 darmousseh wrote: I see no reason to kill LD yet. If he is an SK then it is his best interest to make sure the game is balanced and doesn't sway too much to one side. At this point in the game it seems that the SK has very little choice but to help us townies if he wants to have a shot at winning. LD can act as a mini vig for us and if he goes against what town asks him to do (such as killing the wrong person) then we lynch him the next day. My proposal: Let LD live for today and ask him to hit someone for us. Who to lynch? So far i'm leaning towards brownbear due to the clues. I said I would vote jackal58 today, but no one seems to be blaming him (mostly it seems due to the lack of steel-ers clues). I still get the feeling that there is a massive conspiracy going on. Ok, there are several things wrong with this post. 1) You're not the only person who's come up with this idea, and to be fair, it's actually not unreasonable. I'm not saying you're an idiot for thinking it, but I'm saying I really don't feel comfortable placing trust in a guy who knows he's fucked either way. Let's assume LD is 100% confirmed SK for the sake of your scenario. Either LD dies today via lynch or he dies in a few days via lynch. It's a lose-lose situation for him, so what on earth does he gain by helping town? I think it's far more likely he just goes for whoever screwed him over. That's bum. And regardless of the people saying "LOL bum probably scum LOL", he's actually most likely to be telling the truth. How would mafia have found an SK, really good secret analysis? They don't have a rolecheck. 2) Lynching LD helps us confirm 2 townies or 2 scum, as Cubed said. If bum is telling the truth, we know a couple things: Beneather is town, so kav is safe as long as beneather is protected, and bum is DT, and can continue to help us. All of a sudden, we have a DT who can check people as long as medics continue to protect him, we have a confirmed town bodyguard, mason can recruit either to the circle... we go from a kind of shitty position to an actually kind of decent one. On the flip side, what if bum is scum. Then he exposed a) himself and b) his scum buddy beneather to lynch LD. Even if LD is blue, we're trading 2 scum for a blue. That's an amazing trade. 3) Remember what happened last time we lynched solely based on clues? Or, actually, I should say you guys, because I had nothing to do with that ridiculous Nemesis Bandwagon-O'-Idiocy. Actually, I haven't really looked at the "clues" against me, so let's take a look at them. --- Ok, so first things first, I want you all to consider the source. It's LunarDestiny, and he posted this very soon after I called to lynch him. For the noobs among us, accusing your accuser is called an OMGUS, or an Oh My God U Suck, and it's almost universally considered to be bad town play. However, scum players can actually use it to their advantage to get town to run in circles/chase it's own tail. This is a desperation defense by LD, and a pretty weak one at that. --- On February 02 2011 16:10 LunarDestiny wrote: Did town disregard clues completely? BrownBear -Name (brownbear) -Profile pic (instrument, laughing) I did point out word matching is bad, but recurring clues needed to be pointed out. Not a real great start, prefacing this with "well, I know these are kind of shitty, but..." On February 02 2011 16:10 LunarDestiny wrote: Day 1 Show nested quote + As the host brought around the drinks, as the the crowd crescendos with laughter, as the band broke out into another song... I felt something was wrong. Did the lights in the ceiling just black out? Are those black shapes in the alcove bats? Is that shadow in the corner a black cat? So this seems to be touching on the fact that I'm playing a ukelele in my profile. Ok, cool, I can't deny that I am. The problem is, I'm not the only one. Hell, you're incriminating everyone who has a song in their profile in addition to me. Not really the most narrowed-down field you got there. On February 02 2011 16:10 LunarDestiny wrote: Day 2 Show nested quote + The noises inside are a mystery. The scampering in the bush, a deer? That blood-curdling scream, nothing an animal could make. This slightly touch on his name BrownBear. I'm not even going to entertain this one except to say that it's the worst connection since Steel-ers. On February 02 2011 16:10 LunarDestiny wrote: Day 3 Show nested quote + He looked up and saw a masked man with a blood-spattered black apron tied around his waist. The man masterfully handled his instruments, hands moving at a blur, flashes of steel rising and falling, leaving perfectly sized morsels behind. He lifted a finger to his mouth and sucked. Nevermind, this is the worst connection since Steel-ers. On February 02 2011 16:10 LunarDestiny wrote: Day 4 Show nested quote + And laughing and singing the masked man ran along And laughing and singing he shot Kitaman And laughing and singing he ran along Laughing and singing... And now we actually have one that could be reasonable, except it still runs into the same problem of you kind of tunnel-visioned me as the only person with a music or singing related profile. So to reiterate what I think the best course of action is: 1: Lynch LD 2: Kav checks number of SKs 3: Based on that info we lynch or don't lynch bum and beneather. It's really the only logical course of action, and I can't understand why this is so difficult for people to grasp. Let's lynch the SK before this bites me in the ass. More fluff. On February 03 2011 06:28 BrownBear wrote: On February 03 2011 04:54 CubEdIn wrote: @BrownBear: I agree with most of what you said except for this: Why check the number of SKs? I get the logic of it, since we're not lynching Mafia, census for red will stay @ 5, but we should easily be able to identify if SK died based on kill power alone, during the night, no? Wouldn't it be better to check number of DTs or something? Maybe it flips 0 and then we're sure bum is scum. The reason I'm saying this is because I believe that LD is SK, but I don't trust bum is blue. So SK number will probably return 0, but that won't give us information on bum and beneather. Given it's already night 4, the chance of a vigi trying to hit someone is pretty high. Also, what if a medic saves someone? What if mafia chooses not to hit anyone to confuse the town? What if mafia hits a vet? There are so many variables that go into how many deaths there are per night that just counting the deaths can neither confirm nor deny anyone. DT checking could also still flip 1 with bum not being a DT, maybe there's another out there. That's why in my opinion, the safest route is for Kav to check number of SKs tonight. More of the same. Let's lynch LD so we are comfy with mafias DT. On February 03 2011 08:54 BrownBear wrote: Beneather depends on what happens to bum. If bum does turn out to be scum, that's a pretty damning implication on Beneather. However, and this is probably WIFOM, but given beneather's status as a BG, do you think a scum bum might have fakeclaimed and said Beneather was town to throw suspicion on him? Like, say this happened: bum is scum, beneather is town. bum fakeclaims, knowing he'll get caught. He claims beneather is town, then when he gets outed as red, it makes beneather look red too. In fact, we could take it further. What if beneather is town, and it's LunarDestiny who's the scum? That way, when bum gets found out, not only does a BG get lynched, but LD looks clean in the town's eyes. Obviously, that's huge WIFOM. But it's something to think about. Fluff. Good townie shizzle. On February 03 2011 15:55 BrownBear wrote: On February 03 2011 11:03 Kavdragon wrote: Otherwise, this game is about killing scum, not SK's. This is the only thing I disagree with that you've said so far. In my opinion, this game is about lowering KP. The less KP there is = the fewer people die every night = the longer the game goes, and as town we want to drag the game out as long as possible. Everything else you've said has been very good, though. I still think we should lynch LD today, but you've convinced me about bum. Still wants LD lynched. His only hole card left is an SK census. On February 04 2011 06:11 BrownBear wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THE MEMES JESUS CHRIST Also, LD, thanks for claiming and clearing that up. now, I have three questions for you. I don't care if you breadcrumbed them through clues and shit earlier, just answer them straight up, please. 1: Did you take a hit at some point? 2: Are you trying to say that bumatlarge is scum? 3: Are you trying to say that Kavdragon is scum? Asks questions he knows won't be answered. [B]On February 04 2011 10:13 BrownBear wrote: Jesus, relax, I just got back. I'm switching my vote now. Also, what the hell, shoot me instead of a confirmed mafia player? Major FoS on Jackal, Coag, darmousseh and Impervious for being absolutely fucking idiotic. In NO SITUATION is that ever a good plan, LD just wants revenge on me for pushing heavily for his lynch. Agressively defends himself. I think I read that some where in this post. | ||
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On February 05 2011 09:10 Divinek wrote: confirming that he is SK violates his win condition, and listening to people to confirm his role violates his win condition as well. It's pretty much a horrible situation for adhering to that rule Serial Killer You are a crazed, bloodthirsty killer! You hold no allegiance to anybody. Every night, you must kill another player. You are immune to night kills and role blocks. Role checks on you will return “Serial Killer”. You win when you are the only player left in the game. Where does it say that? He scare you? | ||
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On February 05 2011 11:39 Kavdragon wrote: Also, was anyone hit? Cause scum = 2 means that there were only 3 during the night. Which might mean only 1 KP for mafia. No PM's informing me of a hit. | ||
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On February 05 2011 12:59 Kenpachi wrote: no im not romanian But one of our scum is. Indiana Jones. In a cave. With bats. Proclaiming we are all going to die. | ||
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On February 05 2011 18:25 CubEdIn wrote: Yeah mean, here's what happened: Mafia decided... hey... it's been a lot of time and we're still 5 people, why don't we do this: Bum: I'll claim DT, and claim that LD is SK, and then claim Beneather is Vanilla. LD: YEAH! that sounds awesome, maybe the mods will make it so I manage do /dodge lynch and maybe the town will keep me alive forever, even though I'll never be able to prove I have an extra KP. Beneather: LOL that's fine with me I'm BG I can't die ever for I am BG. Chorus: That way, all three of us will be in epic sh*t! That'll make the game more interesting! /dance Mebbe prove it! Working on it. + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2011 11:01 Node wrote: Day 1 It was just a movie scene, just something from a scary film. A bad dream. This couldn’t be happening. I should explain. I thought this pointed at Mr Zergling. But it doesn't really does it? It points at your movie scene. And you are explaining that "We're all going to die". + Show Spoiler + On February 02 2011 11:25 LSB wrote: Day 4 One place that I refuse to go. It is the caves. Those lightless caverns. I’ve tried avoiding it. So does this. The scene in your profile is from the Temple of Doom. Indy is trying to persuade whatever the chicks name is to enter the cave to throw the lever and save them. | ||
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On February 06 2011 00:41 CubEdIn wrote: Yeah that's nice and all, but if you'd pay a bit more attention to the last few pages you'd realize that the 1st person narrative in the clues so far have been about the SK. It was the SK that killed deconduo and the aldo. Unless you mean that the SK had a clue that was referring to me somehow... o_O As for the first night, I guess that kinda makes sense, if you consider Indiana Jones to be a scary film. It is a tad of a stretch though But heck, I've been hanged for less. *cough* mini mafia *cough* That is nice and all. Both clues are in the first clue set that points to mafia. Some are first person some are not. All of LD's clues ore in the second clue set that points to the SK. You are scum. | ||
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On February 06 2011 08:37 CubEdIn wrote: Oh, is that so? Let's review all days: Day 2: "I followed TheAldo. And as I ran my knife across his throat, no one was there to help him. How fitting." -> Aldo was a hit claimed by LD Day 3: "The other man didn’t do anything. And because the mods frown on not submitting your night action, we’re giving you clues on him even though he didn’t kill anyone." -> No first person, no hit of SK, how strange! Day 4: "I immediately headed back to the camp in order to find help. I grabbed the first person I saw, Deconduo and asked him to help me remove ilovejohn’s body. Deconduo didn’t help me. As soon as he realized that I wanted him to go inside, he fled. He didn’t get two steps before I killed him. Serves him right." -> Deconduo was a hit claimed by LD Day 5: "I have cornered my prey. Beneather is, fittingly, beneath me. I have him pinned to the ground, and the numerous small wounds endured over the course of the chase have built up to too much. He can barely speak, but with what is left of his voice he begs and pleads for his pathetic life. He says he his sorry. I tell him it doesn’t matter. He says he can give me anything, everything. This town is full of cowards, but before me lies one of the worst." -> Beneather is the person that LD said he'd kill. So, please, show me where I am wrong, or where there is a clue to someone other than LD in first person. And make it good. Sure thing. You're actually making this to easy. + Show Spoiler + On February 02 2011 11:25 LSB wrote: Day 4 ![[image loading]](http://ciaran-walsh.com/images/Kosinski/H3/halo_1.jpg) Harmlessly passing your time in the grassland away; And laughing and singing the masked man ran along And laughing and singing he shot Kitaman And laughing and singing he ran along Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air. There is only so far that I am willing to plunge. There is one place on this god-forsaken island. One place that I refuse to go. It is the caves. Those lightless caverns. I’ve tried avoiding it. But one night I heard screams, echoing off each other in that dark expanse and making their contorted way into the night. I made my way into the caves, and saw all that I needed to see. On the edge of the light, ilovejonn’s body sprawled on the floor. A beast hunched over him, an alien form that I had never seen before. “I’m sorry. I do this for the greater good,” it growled, and then the ground cracked open under it, and it disappeared. You'd better watch out! I immediately headed back to the camp in order to find help. I grabbed the first person I saw, Deconduo and asked him to help me remove ilovejohn’s body. Deconduo didn’t help me. As soon as he realized that I wanted him to go inside, he fled. He didn’t get two steps before I killed him. Serves him right. There may be dogs about Kitaman27 is dead. ilovejonn is dead. deconduo is dead. Day 4 has begun! Time to lynch! Will the sheeple break out of their pen? We shall see! Top half is scum clue. Bottom half is SK clue. You're scum. | ||
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On February 06 2011 09:20 CubEdIn wrote: Right, and: " A beast hunched over him, an alien form that I had never seen before. “I’m sorry. I do this for the greater good,” it growled, and then the ground cracked open under it, and it disappeared." That is the killer of ilovejohn. And the SK is the one looking at him. Are you saying that the location points to me? But not the killer (description/words/the fact that it disappeared?). Awesome. Even better than steelers. Filler Those lightless caverns. I’ve tried avoiding it. But one night I heard screams, echoing off each other in that dark expanse and making their contorted way into the night. That's what points to you. That's what the scene in your profile is all about. | ||
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On February 06 2011 09:25 CubEdIn wrote: And since you brought that clue up, looking back at the three mafia kills, how's this: A beast hunched over him, an alien form that I had never seen before. Hmm, like a zergling, or a hydralisk? “I’m sorry. I do this for the greater good,”like, you know, the overmind it growled, and then the ground cracked open under it, and it disappeared.kinda like a burrow-thing? Now let's look at papapanda's profile picture. Of course, I can understand how this is a much weaker connection than caves -> indiana jones -> caves pointing at killer but description not pointing at killer. Bravo! A+. Squirm all you want. Let's revisit the other clue as well. On January 24 2011 11:01 Node wrote: Day 1 ![[image loading]](http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/karl_eduard_ferdinand_blechen/stormy_sea_lighthouse.jpg) Cue the clash of lightning. Play the roar of thunder. And make sure there is a shower of rain. It was just a movie scene, just something from a scary film. A bad dream. This couldn’t be happening. I should explain. You should explain - We are going to die. Why do you skip the good parts? | ||
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On February 06 2011 09:27 CubEdIn wrote: I'm not skipping that part, I did say that caves are somehow connected to indiana jones. But you'd THINK that the description/actions of the killer would be more of a clue than the place the killing took place in? I mean, it's pretty clear that a zerg unit was portrayed. Duct tape meant duct tape. | ||
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On February 06 2011 09:26 CubEdIn wrote: So let me guess, you're mafia and you thought... nobody figured out day 4 clue, so they probably won't... so all we gotta do is find a way to tie it to someone, and hope nobody checks the dead mafia? I mean, worst case scenario, they can't kill panda twice, right? I'm not mafia. I can prove it. Lynch you and let LD shoot me tonight. What can you prove Indy? | ||
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On February 06 2011 09:41 CubEdIn wrote: I'm ok with that "trade" if the town agrees. I never claimed you are mafia though, I even said so back when we were deciding first lynch. I just don't see why you would try and push something on me even when I proved that the clue you are referring to is actually pointing at someone else. Hell let's do it. | ||
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If this: On January 24 2011 11:01 Node wrote: Day 1 It was just a movie scene, just something from a scary film. A bad dream. This couldn’t be happening. I should explain. Isn't this: ![[image loading]](http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8131/avatarindy2xq.gif){kind=avatar} I'll eat my shorts. If you're worried about LD he can shoot me tonight. Mafia will stack another on me and I die. But we're down to 1 scum. Somebody is going to die tonight anyways. I volunteer. | ||
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On February 06 2011 22:18 Barundar wrote: I like your clue analysis Jackal, but what if you are wrong? Why would Lunar hit you, when it's more beneficial for him to hit a green? What if some people vote for impervious, some for cubed, and some for lunar, and in the end mafia just kill a green? I like your case, but it's more beneficial for town to wait with killing mafia right now, and risk missing. Remember how tunneling Pandain in minimafia only helped mafia. I haven't forgotten. Cubed is scum. | ||
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On February 07 2011 02:50 Kavdragon wrote: EBWODP: That last line came off a bit harsher than it needed to be. The point I was trying to make was that nothing of what you did was analysis. It was a redirection of attention away from the posts that I brought up, to posts that you wanted people to see. A defense, but not an analysis. Impervious isn't scum. Cubed's partner in crime is Divinek. Only scum would freak out like he did at the prospect of keeping LD alive one more day. There plan never considered town using LD to off another scum at night. Lynch Cubed. Shoot Divinek. Game over. | ||
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Town wins tonight. | ||
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Shoot me bitches. | ||
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On February 07 2011 12:13 Impervious wrote: Nawe, keep him alive. He can suffer the defeat of his beloved Steelers for as long as possible that way. You're kinda cute when you're being a prick. | ||
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On February 07 2011 20:08 CubEdIn wrote: If I were mafia I definitely would lol. And then i'd whine to the town that it's exactly what smart mafia would do. I think you're just scared of dying, because you're convinced that I'm scum. Sorry to disappoint. I'm neither scared nor disappointed. You can't kill me. | ||
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Divinek's epic meltdown when he realizes town is going to use LD to hit one of his scumbuddies. On February 02 2011 13:06 Divinek wrote: are you guys for fucking serious? BIG FOS on both of you an SK would never openly admit it and try to bargain with town, where would that get him? sure he'd live a few more days but he could NEVER win. Only mafia could reasonably want to keep an SK alive after they have been identified + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2011 07:27 Divinek wrote: the amount of mindless sheep in these games hurts my soul + Show Spoiler + On February 02 2011 13:13 Divinek wrote: allow me to ellaborate on my earlier point having TWO kp per cycle is not as beneficial to town, because we have less information. As you can tell thus far our kill selections have been off the mark. The longer the game goes on the more info we get (clues + analysis) so the fewer kills the better. THUS only mafia would want to keep an SK alive to limit the amount of info town can get from clues (as some clues go to sk) and just plain THE GAME ENDS SOONER + Show Spoiler + On February 02 2011 13:15 Divinek wrote: what, he's going to hang eventually anyways if he listens to you, because he confirms himself as the SK if he does. (or the other SK listens just to implicate him), or he could not listen to you and kill other people making it look like he's not the SK there's so much wifom i dont see how you can think he'd want to listen to us if he was SK. If he's been found out like this he's going to die eventually, his best bet is obviously to deny all claims and play it off like he's NOT the sk. + Show Spoiler + On February 02 2011 13:42 Divinek wrote: he has absolutely no reason to listen to us Assume he goes okay guys i am dah sk. IF he listens we know it's him and he dies, if he does not listen he dies. HE CANNOT WIN with either of these conditions (besides all previously stated wifom) So his best bet is to deny all claims against him obviously. + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2011 07:54 Divinek wrote: im more confident that lunar is SK than either of these people are scum. I believe in standing by my vote and not sheeping like everyone else. I think killing SK is priority over killing people faster, they do seem likely scum but it's more like that ones scum and one is not or something and id rather not kill one townie sooner. + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2011 08:13 Divinek wrote: what evidence do you have? I might have missed it, all i read over the thread were people saying he's scum and there was an analysis posted and it was alright, but not nearly as convincing as 100% sk. + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2011 09:54 Divinek wrote: oh rofl, well if that's convincing evidence then sure ill take 99% scum over 100% sk seems good enough to me | ||
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First line of above post should read: Divinek's epic meltdown when he realizes town is going to use LD to hit one of his scumbuddies. | ||
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It just isn't going to say CubEdIn and Divinek along with it. | ||
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On February 07 2011 22:07 CubEdIn wrote: I know, lol. I just noticed this. You admitting it? | ||
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Read Divineks posts up until the suggestion was made to use LD's kp. He's the only one that went into wtf mode. Some others disagreed and then came to a consensus. Divinek's reaction is one of somebody that never considered an unintended consequence to his plans. He's scum. | ||
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On February 08 2011 04:24 Barundar wrote: Jackal is obvious town at this point, not sure of cubed. I love the scumhunting jackal, but you really need to learn to convince town and not just yourself of peoples guilt =). Some behavioural analysis would be great, while you post DivineK's posts, you don't actually comment on them and point out why exactly these means he is mafia. Same with Cubed. Maybe ask Foolishness for advice on how to build a case? =) IMO you should check blue tonight Kav. Lynching SK is the only "break" we get from hunting mafia, and if eti was a red, well then we will just realise we have won one day later. If we want blue info now is the time. Cubed is simply the clues. Movie scene with an explanation. Followed by why the explanation was given. I've already pointed those out. If we're playing a game with clues I have to believe the clues carry more weight than analysis. This is rapidly becoming paralysis by analysis. Divinek's posts I did comment. 1 comment covers them all. He went apeshit for no real reason. | ||
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On February 08 2011 03:31 Kavdragon wrote: Um...In regards to the Census, I just realized how less-useful it would be to check mafia. If Eti was mafia, we have already won, so I'm betting he's not. Is there anything that the town really needs to know? We have the # of Mafia (Providing there aren't any more modkills tonight), and we know that there aren't any more SK's. That leaves Blues/Greens. Would anyone object to my using it to my own ends tonight? Oh, btw. I kind of doubt there are any DT's at this point, but would you please claim if you are? Your information would be most helpful. I'm afraid that there's no real point for vig hits at this point. I'd rather you save your shot, so that no one important dies. I'd tell you who not to shoot, but that would just give the mafia a list of who to kill, so....Sorry, but I don't see it helping at this point. I have no objections to you using census for whatever purpose as long as you share the info . If we have any vigs humor me and shoot cubed. | ||
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On February 08 2011 08:15 GMarshal wrote: except I've taken a hit and Kav said he was unsuccessfully roleblocked, which proves my greenness, so DT checking me is a waste of the ability (although if he really wants to he can feel free [assuming one exists]) It would just give him a green total with no names attached. | ||
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On February 08 2011 09:44 Kavdragon wrote: Lol, DT checking the BG's is a mafia plan. And yeah, GMarshal is confirmed as 100% town. Don't check him. (If there even is a DT out there. Claim if you are!) If I die, then we know that they are mafia. There's absolutely no good reason to check them at this point. That was one of the things that tipped me off about Bum. Why would he check Beneather? If I die, he's mafia. Waste of a check. There is so much evidence to the contrary that it's not worth considering 2 SKs. The chances of stacking hits that long, that often...Sorry, no. On recent deaths: I'm hoping, and praying that Coag wasn't the medic. Whoever is medic, if you are still here, please protect GMarshal. I'm similarly hoping that Beneather was the roleblocker. If you get RB'ed tonight, please claim it asap. If you get hit, and survive, please claim it asap. ASAP is pretty much at LSB and Node's convenience of sending PMs. | ||
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On February 09 2011 00:05 BrownBear wrote: I love you might be a weird, fucked-up roofie pill. I'm not sure. They are all ecstasy: ![[image loading]](https://amsu-health-5r.wikispaces.com/file/view/ecstasy_pill_collage1.jpg/33900729/ecstasy_pill_collage1.jpg) | ||
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On February 09 2011 01:14 Kavdragon wrote: + Show Spoiler + Funny you should mention that picture. It comes from the same wiki project that the picture found in the main post comes from. AMSU Health... Also, on the subject of clues, remember all the dog clues? http://www.divinek-9.com/ Wouldn't it be funny if they weren't all pointing to Beneather, who so obviously has a dog on his profile? I know. That's where I was looking. I also googled Divinek and got all the dog references. But I've been told clues are useless. | ||
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On February 09 2011 04:10 Impervious wrote: FUCK Why the fuck did you claim medic? I don't see any good coming out of that..... Because he is almost assuredly going to die tonight. Without census town is completely blind. | ||
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Keep on laughing scum. Although I must say you are playing a masterful game. Scum. | ||
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On February 09 2011 06:21 darmousseh wrote: read mini mafia V. He intentionally makes himself impossible to read as town. I learned the hard way to not believe him. In all future mafia games, I will vote to lynch cubed first, no matter what Let's lynch him now. Why wait for the next game? | ||
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On February 09 2011 07:13 CubEdIn wrote: Ah I get it, I read the thing when you posted it, but I didn't realize LSB said he told them. =/ Ya you did you scum. | ||
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On February 09 2011 10:34 Impervious wrote: CubEdIn - Another "I dunno". Jackal seems to have a very strong feeling that he's a red, and he does make a decent case for it, but, just like Divinek, we may be looking too much into it. Therein lies the problem. It requires no thought. So it's to good to be true. Cube is scum. I know he's scum. He knows he's scum. He knows I know he's scum. So it's now just a dance macabre. Look at his smug responses to my accusations. Only the arrogant guilty dancing in a poppy field full of opium addicts plays that game. | ||
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Cubed and Divinek Lynch them now. Stop trying to be smarter than each other and lynch them. | ||
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On February 09 2011 20:27 Barundar wrote: Oh lol, not the least suspecious of DivineK? Just defense of yourself and finger pointing to others. Asking for DT checks "to confirm" Bum doesn't do you any favor since it would a) force a real DT to claim, b) lead to a bunch of wifom regarding the godfather. You might have said kill them all, but you pushed for SK lynch over using him. Providing clues and arguments for lynching SK doesn't do you any favors. Thats what mafia bussing is all about. In my opinion at least 1 of Divinek and Cubed is scum, and possibly both. Definitely both. | ||
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On February 10 2011 09:27 Divinek wrote: that huge post i had that says your an inactive waste of life that has been contributing nothing to town at all. You dont have opinions are criticisms much like kav said we should look out for, you've been a rock posting one liners and no ones been questioning it and it's annoying me to death Your paraphrase of Kavs post? lol If anybody is interested you can plot out posts vs time. Divinek makes the most beautiful bell curve when we come to the issue of LD lynch or not. Nobody else does. You post then ghost the rest of the thread. I'll put my vote on Divinek. | ||
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On February 10 2011 09:47 darmousseh wrote: Interesting piece of information I found. The song where divinek's name is from is about vampires. I saw it. I suggested Kav read all the Protest the Hero lyrics earlier today. Lots of blood and death. It doesn't fit with the way LSB and Node are presenting clues though. | ||
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If we have any vigs at all shoot CubeD. Seriously. We are on the verge of losing census. Shoot CubeD and end 3 days of wifom. If CubeD isn't scum you all can lynch me tomorrow. | ||
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On February 10 2011 11:13 Barundar wrote: If Kav is vet he has been playing this superb =) He's a medic. | ||
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On February 10 2011 11:18 Impervious wrote: As much as I'm glad that I'm not dead, I have a gut feeling that we didn't get a mafia today..... We cut the bastards in half. | ||
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On February 10 2011 11:22 Kenpachi wrote: this doesnt help. at all. its no flip yo. I hope Zerroth or Divine was Mafia as they were the 2 most inactive people in the game. It would suck major balls if they were important roles I know it's no flip. I might be new but I'm not stupid. | ||
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On February 10 2011 11:23 Impervious wrote: If you know something more than you're letting on, plz share. Otherwise, we'd better be preparing for what we're going to do tomorrow. I'm definitely going to assume that we missed our mark tonight, even though I hope we didn't. I've already told everybody in this thread who I believe the last two scum are. DivineK and CubeD. I have no problem with lynching DivineK . I'm not changing my opinion at this point in time. | ||
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On February 10 2011 22:52 CubEdIn wrote: [/b]Is it? + Show Spoiler [long posts] + On January 29 2011 10:41 CubEdIn wrote: What the fuck Coag? You can't act like you don't know this is extremely incriminating. So either you're: a) A really bad mafia player with Nemesis in their team b) A townie that feels like they don't wanna play anymore. You may do dumb things sometimes but I don't think you're dumb enough to be in case a). Which means that you're playing anti-town, which should be against the rules. Switching vote to someone who's gonna get mod-killed is just dumb, at least vote for yourself to show you're abstaining. On January 28 2011 04:51 CubEdIn wrote: Well, I got a bit more time to check out the thread. I don't like the page-long analysis on one individual. I mean, they would go great in mid-late game when you have like 50-60 posts to choose from and you pick the most incriminating ones, but if you analyze ALL the posts, then you're bound to find a bit of scum in everyone, but nothing very conclusive. That's my opinion on RoL's case at least. So I went back and looked at the clues. Needless too say, nothing obvious this time, but the second person showing up @ Meapak's murder site got me thinking. If two people go for one person (Mafia and SK or Mafia/Vig or SK/Vig), do we get clues on both assassins, or just the one who got there first? I think it's important to know, because if it happened during the first night, it's bound to happen again. Also, I am assuming that if mafia uses 2kp on same target, we will have indications towards two assassins as well, and information that they worked as a team, correct? (that's how it was in the first game of mafia I played). Also, I've been toying with an idea, I want to hear what the town thinks. Since we don't have information about who's what, even after they die, DTs are far more important in this game. So, I think that it's important that DTs play well. Since it's pretty safe to assume that Mafia has only 2kp (I'm thinking that that extra person was at best another SK, and that SiN is not lying, don't see WHY he would), then it's kind-of hard to kill a DT if town stacks medics upon them. That being said, I think DTs who find a red or sk, should immediately come up with it (preferably in a town circle, but since that's less likely, then to town). If we have at least two medics then it would take 3kps to kill DT, and even if they do stack them upon him, then it's probably worth losing 1 dt for 1 red. I'm saying this because if a DT finds someone important, and dies, we won't even know if he had any solid reason to push for whoever he was pushing in the thread. So, the basic idea is that we CAN'T rely purely on census this game. We need some kind of strong circle or something, to make sure that DTs can cooperate fully. That being said, I am 90% sure that SiNquity is TOWN. Reasoning: He claimed he was hit. Scenarios: a) He is mafia. He would only claim he was hit if he was mafia in order to influence what the town thinks about mafia KP. This doesn't make much sense, since mafia wouldn't know about SK kp anyway. And even if they do manage to make town believe mafia has one more kp than they do, what good does it do? It's better (imo) for mafia to try to fake LESS kp not more. b) He is SK Claiming he was hit would be the dumbest thing to do in this scenario. If you are informed you took a hit, then you can just lay low and see if Mafia keeps trying to kill you (absorb KPs). If you see someone try to out you, then you know that that someone is most likely mafia (and pissed that he can't kill you), so you just take him out the next night. Town won't even know who was the mafia that died anyway. By saying "oh, I've been hit" it only puts you in the spotlight for the town. If you don't die later on, they'll wonder why (and assume you are SK, or red). You don't need medics, you just need to not-get-lynched, and that's best done by laying low. So he's most likely not SK either. c) He is town This makes most sense. Since he "took a hit" but didn't die, most chances are that he's vet. I don't want him to claim or anything, and I don't want doctors that might have been on him claim either. It's good that you did protect him, and he may be a nice target for protection later on. The only downside to this is that he should have been silent about this and see if someone tries to pull something from him, thus revealing themselves, but since it's out there already, we can safely assume that we have one confirmed town. On February 01 2011 06:03 CubEdIn wrote: Hello everyone. Sorry for not contributing today, but it was hell. I had two exams in the morning, then I had to work for 8 hours. I'm not even gonna bother reading through everything, but I skimmed through, and I looked a the voting thread. First of all, town sucks. Not because there's no analysis going on, not because people aren't active, not because of lack of information, but because everyone is being erratic. There's no way in hell we'll be able to point out mafias if we keep behaving like this. We can't have 3 people with similar number of votes each night, it doesn't help. Here's what I think: a) Lynching Beneather is ok, as long as you guys do it for more than just clues. I didn't see any tangible proof in what he posted so far. Yes, master chief sounds like chef, and there's the dog reference, but if you want to push for him, then also make a case with posts and possible scummy moves, don't go all-out on clues and if you find out he's town then say "oh well, the clues kinda-sorta pointed at him". It kinda makes sense that he is red because if GM isn't lying, mafia hit him, so they might try to open up space to kill mayor. But it is also possible that GM is lying and they want to get Beneather lynched in order to open up a door to Kav. b) Lynching Nemesis is not ok. I'm gonna say this for the 4th time. Last night he almost got lynched. He was almost sure he'd be lynched, he posted PRO-TOWN. Mafia doesn't do that, at least not with that much subtlety. He just accepted his faith and pointed fingers people we were well under the radar, there's no decent reason a mafia would ever do that. Also, part from me, not many are struggling to defend him, don't you think mafia would try to do that? If you're lynching based on him being a probable SK, then go for it, but he's not red, goddamn it. c) Lynching Jackal is kinda odd, I don't feel good about him but it's probably who I'll vote for (i'm not even considering anyone other than these two). The biggest issue is that it all started from nothing, and it snowballed from there. So there's really not much pointing at him. I would say that until we lynch a red, we won't have any real evidence of who is who, so we might as well just RnG the lynches. It's not like people aren't voting for 5+ players each night. Kav: How would you feel about lynching Beneather? I'm sorry if you already answered this, too tired to check in detail. Please also consider the (albeit unlikely) possibility that GM is red. + another bunch of posts where I was urging the town not to vote Nemesis Point is, I did stand up and made points when I thought points were to be made. Though, I admit, I have been doing that less in the past few days. Mostly because I have a much stronger feeling about who isn't scum then about who might be. Although I will say that I appreciate the fact that you bothered to go through my previous games. This is the kind of analysis I was talking about. Care to share? | ||
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On February 11 2011 10:43 CubEdIn wrote: I wouldn't sweat it if I were you guys. Vig hit you? | ||
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On February 12 2011 04:05 LunarDestiny wrote: But mafia even exposed themselves to get me lynched. That means I pose a threat them, so why should town do what mafia wants? I was all for lynching DivineK or Cubed and letting you shoot the other one that night. | ||
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On February 12 2011 05:29 Kavdragon wrote: [+ Show Spoiler + QUOTE]On February 12 2011 05:11 Jackal58 wrote: On February 12 2011 04:05 LunarDestiny wrote: But mafia even exposed themselves to get me lynched. That means I pose a threat them, so why should town do what mafia wants? I was all for lynching DivineK or Cubed and letting you shoot the other one that night. You were right about Divinek and Cubedin. Hilarious. So congrats on that if it wasn't a lucky guess. You should work on convincing people that you are right. Cause that would have been epic if you had been able to push and kill the last two. [/QUOTE] When I first poked at Cube I wasn't very sure if he was actually mafia or not. I was just slinging mud so to speak. But then he responded with this: + Show Spoiler + On February 05 2011 18:25 CubEdIn wrote: But one of our scum is. Indiana Jones. In a cave. With bats. Proclaiming we are all going to die. Mebbe prove it! That just screamed scum at me. At that point I was on a mission. You and Barundar would never have looked as hard at him if I didn't keep poking at him. DivineK I was positive of after we began discussing using LD's kp. He had been posting about once a day til then. Then boom. Then it went back to a post and ghost type of deal. I was much more sure of DivineK than I ever was of Cube. Cube was just a lot more fun to poke. | ||
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On February 12 2011 07:50 LSB wrote: It was hilarious that the mafia (and LD) couldn't find the clues that pointed to them, even though we insisted that they were so obvious. I still think that movie scene thing is a clue. | ||
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