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On February 04 2011 07:59 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 07:55 LunarDestiny wrote:
LunarDestiny (8)
bumatlarge
Kenpachi
Divinek
Brownbear
CubEdIn
Eti307
Beneather
Barundar How sure are you about cubed? In mini mafia he was playing ridiculously scummy but ended up being town.
Ridiculously scummy?
Are you fking kidding me? All I did was find clues that pointed to Dr.H, and tried to defend myself from the clues that were so "smartly" tied to me:
"Uhhh.. Raiden is god of thunder so uhh... this picture has snow in it so... uhhh... I guess that snow, is sorta-like-an-element, and thunder is... also an element (?!?) so, steps in snow can easily point to Raiden!"
"Town: Yeah that's brilliant. LYNCH!"
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After I shoot Beneather tonight, I am willing to accept lynch tomorrow.
Mafia, don't pissed me off with flawed logic or I will act as town's second lynch until they decide to lynch me.
For those who are attacking me because they are town, do continue.
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I'm not "attacking" you. I just don't see how is it in town's best interest to "double-lynch" when mafia KP will be 1 and there's like 10-3-1 scenario.
Statistically speaking, we are far more likely to be taking down town. And even if we don't, I dread the day when town will have to waste both kps (vote to lynch SK), because that will be an awesome day for the remaining mafia.
But if town trusts their scum-finding skills (which I wouldn't, based on what happened so far), then by all means, we'll keep you alive and you can go around whacking reds. 
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On February 04 2011 16:45 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 07:59 darmousseh wrote:On February 04 2011 07:55 LunarDestiny wrote:
LunarDestiny (8)
bumatlarge
Kenpachi
Divinek
Brownbear
CubEdIn
Eti307
Beneather
Barundar How sure are you about cubed? In mini mafia he was playing ridiculously scummy but ended up being town. Ridiculously scummy? Are you fking kidding me? All I did was find clues that pointed to Dr.H, and tried to defend myself from the clues that were so "smartly" tied to me: "Uhhh.. Raiden is god of thunder so uhh... this picture has snow in it so... uhhh... I guess that snow, is sorta-like-an-element, and thunder is... also an element (?!?) so, steps in snow can easily point to Raiden!" "Town: Yeah that's brilliant. LYNCH!"
That was not the evidence I came up with.
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On February 04 2011 17:04 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 16:45 CubEdIn wrote:On February 04 2011 07:59 darmousseh wrote:On February 04 2011 07:55 LunarDestiny wrote:
LunarDestiny (8)
bumatlarge
Kenpachi
Divinek
Brownbear
CubEdIn
Eti307
Beneather
Barundar How sure are you about cubed? In mini mafia he was playing ridiculously scummy but ended up being town. Ridiculously scummy? Are you fking kidding me? All I did was find clues that pointed to Dr.H, and tried to defend myself from the clues that were so "smartly" tied to me: "Uhhh.. Raiden is god of thunder so uhh... this picture has snow in it so... uhhh... I guess that snow, is sorta-like-an-element, and thunder is... also an element (?!?) so, steps in snow can easily point to Raiden!" "Town: Yeah that's brilliant. LYNCH!" That was not the evidence I came up with.
Well, whatever evidence you came up with, turned out to be incorrect. No? >: P
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On February 04 2011 17:08 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 17:04 darmousseh wrote:On February 04 2011 16:45 CubEdIn wrote:On February 04 2011 07:59 darmousseh wrote:On February 04 2011 07:55 LunarDestiny wrote:
LunarDestiny (8)
bumatlarge
Kenpachi
Divinek
Brownbear
CubEdIn
Eti307
Beneather
Barundar How sure are you about cubed? In mini mafia he was playing ridiculously scummy but ended up being town. Ridiculously scummy? Are you fking kidding me? All I did was find clues that pointed to Dr.H, and tried to defend myself from the clues that were so "smartly" tied to me: "Uhhh.. Raiden is god of thunder so uhh... this picture has snow in it so... uhhh... I guess that snow, is sorta-like-an-element, and thunder is... also an element (?!?) so, steps in snow can easily point to Raiden!" "Town: Yeah that's brilliant. LYNCH!" That was not the evidence I came up with. Well, whatever evidence you came up with, turned out to be incorrect. No? >: P
Yes the evidence was wrong, but my analysis of your play wasn't. You play town incorrectly in order to give yourself an advantage since no one can analyze the difference between your mafia and town since you are overly aggressive. If you had simply said "Well yeah, but I think there is better evidence elsewhere" then I might not have spent as much time analyzing you and spent more time on clues to find the right mafia. The fact that you acted so overly aggressive made me think that even though the clues weren't as good as they should be, your play was terrible and you made everyone turn against you. I feel sorry for mafia if you are mafia since you constantly make yourself a prime target and bad for the rest of us who are trying to play the game in order to win and not play to improve your own "meta-game". You've been a lot quieter in this game up until this point which makes me suspect you are mafia.
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Kenpachi analysis
Votes: Kavdragon (for mayor), Nemesis, Nemesis, LunarDestiny--> Bumatlarge
Actions:
Early game:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 24 2011 14:58 Kenpachi wrote:mayoral elections confuse the hell out of me ;;.. I honestly cant see the scummyness if shown so i think i would bandwagon for today. BUT, im voting Kavdragon for effort  On January 24 2011 15:00 Kenpachi wrote:
But wait, wheres DrH's campaign post thing?
Lack of good reason, but nothing unusual for Kenpachi.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 26 2011 09:11 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 09:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ahem in terms of BGs I think the mayor should pick inactives. I'm dead serious because it forces a mafia choice whether to go for the mayor or an expereinced townie. The last thing we want are people like RoL or BB to be BGs because if the mafia take them out not only do they kill experienced players they also get a shot at the mayor. By picking inactives means the mafia can't have it both ways.
Also RNGing the mayor is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Yes it is possible to influence the vote, you just have to predict which person it will land on. By making the RNG public the mafia will be able to push the number around as much as they like by decideing when to "RNG" in. Yea this is a good idea. (not being sarcastic) I nominate myself to the position of body guard cause im a useless townie
Volunteers as BG, green claim. Doesn’t really say much of his alignment.
+ Show Spoiler + On January 27 2011 15:24 Kenpachi wrote:
r u 4 rela? Kita you bastard and your English language. And you to Mr. Zergling and Mr. Wiggles -_-
Your counter clue analysis is weak Nemesis. I honestly think that clue was way too easy to find but only fits you.. On January 27 2011 15:28 Kenpachi wrote:
fuck howd i miss Pandain's animals. BrownBear also likes kittens On January 27 2011 15:29 Kenpachi wrote:
or rather kitty cats.
These post tells us Kenpachi has been hunting for clues, which is a plus. This is the first of his posts regarding Nemesis. Note however he didn’t come up with the clue references, he just bandwagon. Mafia knows who the clues refer to, so coming up with a serius case on innocents based on a clue reference is counter-intuitive, it’s much easier to jump on someone else’s wrong analysis.
Tunneling Nemesis:
+ Show Spoiler + On January 27 2011 15:37 Kenpachi wrote:
yo RoL. bum's analysis on you is powerful shit. Can you defend yourself at all?
Takes a break from Nemesis to hear about the RoL counterwagon. Calls RoL out, but never actually takes any stance on RoL. Clearly he must have been suspecting RoL to call him out?
+ Show Spoiler +On January 29 2011 08:58 Kenpachi wrote:
Why the hell are the votes so split up.. just take down Nemesis please?
Doesn’t actually defend RoL, just tell people to vote Nemesis. At this point he is tunnelling. He has not provided any reasons for why he is voting Nemesis, or why he would rather vote Nemesis than RoL.
+ Show Spoiler + On January 29 2011 12:35 Kenpachi wrote:
wow you guys wtf. Even if Nemesis says hes Green, we will never know. He can be a lying scum ffs..
This is his reaction to Nemesis surving day 1:
+ Show Spoiler + On January 29 2011 13:00 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2011 11:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
##Unvote Mr. Wiggles
##Vote Nemesis Something to note is that is that mr.wiggles suddenly changed his vote from abstaining to me when RoL was in danger of being lynched. Looking back at his post, he hasn't made any mentions of being suspicious of me. The only reason I can think of for his last minute change of vote is to save RoL. So if RoL flips scum, I would take a good look at this guy. His post are mostly fluff and he doesn't really take a position on anything. I suggest Mr. Wiggles for dt check/vigi hit. On January 29 2011 13:01 Kenpachi wrote:
WTF GUYS WTF WTF WTF NEMESIS HOW
sigh w/e. On January 29 2011 13:02 Kenpachi wrote:
^ good point though
Clearly very upset with Nemesis surviving, but easily follow him into suspicion of mr.wiggles? He gets called out on this flipflopping by coag:
+ Show Spoiler + On January 29 2011 13:04 Coagulation wrote:
your saying the guy that you cant believe didnt get lynched because you think hes scum
Has a good point regarding who is possibly scum
/facepalm
His reaction: + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2011 13:10 Kenpachi wrote:
IMO, instead of wasting your DT check on me, check Wiggles. I think itll bring back solid results (im trusting you Nemesis..)
Now he is trusting Nemesis! And no-one has called for a DT check on him, or even mentioned they where suspececious of him. This is a clear over-reaction to being called out, a DT check is not the first worry of a green player.
First post on day 3: On January 30 2011 11:29 Kenpachi wrote:
okay uhh i think i want Nemesis dead ;l
No more trusting Nemesis, back to tunnelling him. Note there was no additional evidence against nemesis between this post and his last.
Then this follows: + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2011 11:30 Kenpachi wrote:
oh wait nvm. On January 30 2011 11:36 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 11:32 Jackal58 wrote:On January 30 2011 11:24 Coagulation wrote:the only clue i could find He looked up and saw a masked man with a blood-spattered black apron tied around his waist. The man masterfully handled his instruments, hands moving at a blur, flashes of steel rising and falling, leaving perfectly sized morsels behind. He lifted a finger to his mouth and sucked. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Jackal58Steeler picture in profile If that were the case d3's death would have been by cheese grater. From Nemesis' profile: From Nemesis' profile: "I am the bone of my sword. Steel is my body, and fire is my blood. I have created over a thousand blades. Unknown to death. Nor known to life. Have withstood pain to create many weapons. Yet, these hands will never hold anything. So as I pray, 'Unlimited Blade Works'." Nemesis hasn't been here all day. I still think Nemesis was to be lynched yesterday. can we kill him today?
These posts are a response to Jackal being the steel clue. This kind of flip-floping I actually find very town like. It’s the kind of doubt that someone without knowledge has. But I think Kenpachi is actually hunting for SK, and the mafia is just as unknowing of who the SK is as the town. The mafia probably figured steel wasn’t a reference to any of them by this point, and that it could very well be the reference to the serial killer. A mafia would appear very town like trying to find clues to the serial killer, it is only when hunting for mafia that they differ. Kenpachi doubting whether steel points to Jackal instead of Nemesis does therefore not clear him of suspicion.
Defending Beneather
While Kenpachi has been pushing for Nemesis, zerroth has launched Beneather as a clue reference. Kenpachi responds:+ Show Spoiler + On January 30 2011 11:40 Kenpachi wrote:
at first those clues were piss poor but it looks alright.. I think hes Vig as he listened to our commands. Mafia hit people that are not under suspicion
Instantly calls Beneather a vigi, even though we are missing 2 night hits. Very suspicious.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 30 2011 11:41 Kenpachi wrote:
^ refers to zerroth and Beneather.
Imo, based on your activity and contributions in the past few days i assume your mafia trying to take down the vig without using your KP
Straight into a chainsaw defense! By chainsaw defense I mean that he defends Beneather by accusing his accuser, zerroth.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 30 2011 11:42 Kenpachi wrote:
Okay, so id like DT to check beneather next night and us to take out Nemesis today.
Flipflop into not suspecting zerroth at all, but putting lynching Beneather off until a DT can check him? Look at the time stamps for those posts, WTF?
+ Show Spoiler + On January 30 2011 11:45 Kenpachi wrote:oh man Master Butcher lol its now obvious that is pointing to Beneather.. Is he Mafia, Vig, or SK is the question. On January 30 2011 11:47 Kenpachi wrote:
FUCK IM NOT READING FURTHER LOL On January 30 2011 11:48 Kenpachi wrote:
also Wiggles is a suspect from yesterday's last minute vote change..
Holds on to the possibility of Beneather being vig hit. The Mr.Wiggles mentioning could be an attempt to divert the talk, but really I don’t think these posts sais much. After this follows the Jackal bandwagon, and Kenpachi just spam a little with the rest of the town. He is quiet until it is suggested to switch the lynch to eti. His vote has been sitting on Nemesis the whole time:
+ Show Spoiler + On February 01 2011 08:21 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'm willing to throw my support behind switching to eti as well, we have possible clues on all 3 people right now, but I don't feel great lynching any of them. eti hasn't really had a presence all game long, so I think it would serve well to rile up the lurkers. On February 01 2011 08:27 Kenpachi wrote:
Wiggles no. just no nononono On February 01 2011 08:44 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 08:32 Barundar wrote:On February 01 2011 08:28 Kenpachi wrote:
WHY KILL NEMESIS On January 30 2011 11:37 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote Nemesis ~~ wat I MEAN WHY? KILL NEMESIS sorry the idea of changing to Eti at the last second is retarded.
Tries to stop the diversion of the Nemesis lynch. To some degree I’m happy that he did, since we didn’t have to face that mess anymore, but it is very possible that mafia thought Nemesis was the SK at this point, and just wanted to finish him off.
+ Show Spoiler + On February 02 2011 12:36 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 12:08 bumatlarge wrote:
Well, before things get out of hand, hold this open can of worms for me.
I am a detective
Night 1: kitaman27 is Medic
Night 2: Beneather is Vanilla Town
Night 3: LunarDestiny is [black]Serial Killer[/black] Second medic protect this guy.
This is his only post after Bum's claim. He completely ignored the discussion about Bum and Beneather, and just placed his vote on LunarD, then on Bum without a word. First of all this is way less activity than the other days, he cared a great deal for the Nemesis lynch, but now he is suddenly uninterested? Even though we just found scum?
Summary and conclusion:
Kenpachi’s actions this game can be summarized as volunteering for bodyguard, tunnelling Nemesis, defending Beneather, while suddenly disappearing when we found scum. He has been heavily flipflopping when Beneather was accused, tried to chainsaw defend him, and has only really been nurturing the steel clue.
His behaviour has been mafia text book: hunting for SK, bandwagoning, tunnelling hard, flipflopping and chainsaw defending. His lack of activity after asking for medic protection for bum is very unlike his play on the other days. While he has not been super active, he has definitely been following the game, until shit hit the fan for mafia.
Verdict: Mafia
As a side note I feel alot better about Mr.Wiggles now.
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For tonights actions, please protect GMarshal. We need Kav alive.
In case I'm dead tomorrow, I think the remaining 2 mafia can be found by analysing who pushed the Lunar lynch.
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It's hilarious how all the analysis have the verdict of: Mafia (:
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On February 04 2011 17:48 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 17:08 CubEdIn wrote:On February 04 2011 17:04 darmousseh wrote:On February 04 2011 16:45 CubEdIn wrote:On February 04 2011 07:59 darmousseh wrote:On February 04 2011 07:55 LunarDestiny wrote:
LunarDestiny (8)
bumatlarge
Kenpachi
Divinek
Brownbear
CubEdIn
Eti307
Beneather
Barundar How sure are you about cubed? In mini mafia he was playing ridiculously scummy but ended up being town. Ridiculously scummy? Are you fking kidding me? All I did was find clues that pointed to Dr.H, and tried to defend myself from the clues that were so "smartly" tied to me: "Uhhh.. Raiden is god of thunder so uhh... this picture has snow in it so... uhhh... I guess that snow, is sorta-like-an-element, and thunder is... also an element (?!?) so, steps in snow can easily point to Raiden!" "Town: Yeah that's brilliant. LYNCH!" That was not the evidence I came up with. Well, whatever evidence you came up with, turned out to be incorrect. No? >: P Yes the evidence was wrong, but my analysis of your play wasn't. You play town incorrectly in order to give yourself an advantage since no one can analyze the difference between your mafia and town since you are overly aggressive. If you had simply said "Well yeah, but I think there is better evidence elsewhere" then I might not have spent as much time analyzing you and spent more time on clues to find the right mafia. The fact that you acted so overly aggressive made me think that even though the clues weren't as good as they should be, your play was terrible and you made everyone turn against you. I feel sorry for mafia if you are mafia since you constantly make yourself a prime target and bad for the rest of us who are trying to play the game in order to win and not play to improve your own "meta-game". You've been a lot quieter in this game up until this point which makes me suspect you are mafia.
Actually, no. I've been just as aggressive this game when people have placed blame on me for silly reasons. In the other game, I was accused of "forging" clues, when the clues I picked as to be aiming at Dr.H were far more reasonable than the ones you guys picked as pointing on me.
But I guess that it's easy to just bandwagon someone you're not sure of and go "oh... he's too aggressive, it's as if he doesn't want to die!", then to actually think and take all things into consideration (like how I didn't vote in Day 1 and risked being lynched, people don't do that if they get mafia, because the game is more interesting).
But I digress. Point is, so far, your analysis on me was flat out wrong. As it is during this game as well. You suspect I am mafia because I'm being quiet, but you're downright dismissing the facts that
- i tried to stop town from lynching nemesis, and I was the only one to do so
- i figured out that the most likely option is that LD is SK and bum+beneather are scum since he posted the "DT check"
Go see HP mafia to see how I handle myself as scum. Or don't.
Also:
On February 04 2011 20:22 Barundar wrote:
For tonights actions, please protect GMarshal. We need Kav alive.
In case I'm dead tomorrow, I think the remaining 2 mafia can be found by analysing who pushed the Lunar lynch.
I also pushed the Lunar lynch. I still am.
But I did so by saying that EVEN THOUGH bum+beneather are probably scum, we should still get rid of ALL THREE OF THEM. And it was pretty easy to see if bum/beneather was scum with a simple dt check on either (or both, worst case scenario).
And just in case you're not realizing this, the only way for LunarD to win is to knock over townies, not mafia. If both him and the town miss lynches/shots, you might get to a situation like 5-3-1, where town will be forced to pick between lynching SK or killing off two people and risk getting to 3-3-1, in which case SK can start offing mafia.
I'm just saying, I don't see why a town SK would help the town eliminate all the mafia and then sacrifice himself. It's a sure loss, and it's pretty much against the "spirit of the game", meaning, he's not playing to win.
At least that's what I would do if I were sk, kill beneather tonight, then try to kill as many townies as I can without looking conspicuous.
But obviously you guys know better.
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Which is why, unless there is compelling evidence against two separate people where we could actually use a 2nd KP, we should lynch LD tomorrow.....
And that evidence had better be brought up by someone other than LD.....
If we can give two good guesses on mafia players, why not use a 2nd KP if it's available to us though? We're gonna have to lynch him at some point, may as well make him as useful as possible in the meantime.
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On February 04 2011 21:28 Beneather wrote:
It's hilarious how all the analysis have the verdict of: Mafia (:
So how you liked first game as mafia? King of the world untill someone catches up on you right?
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CubEdIn. I understand your plan for lynching the SK, and I agreed that it was the best choice before I(/we) could conclusivly prove two people are scum. But since we got conclusive evedince that they are indeed scum, it wasn't the best plan anymore.
Here are some numbers:
Goal: Lynch 1 SK, and 2 Mafia.
Secondary Goal: Keep as many people alive in the process as possible.
CubEdIn's Plan:
- Day 1: Lynch SK. Night KP kills 2 townies.
- Day 2: Lynch Scum # 1. Night KP kills 1-2 townies.
- Day 3: Lynch Scum # 2. Night KP kills 1-2 townies.
- Total # of dead townies: 4-6. (Likely 6, assuming reduction of Mafia KP at 3 remaining)
Kavdragon's Plan:
- Day 1: Lynch Scum # 1. Night KP kills 1-2 townies, SK kills Scum # 2.
- Day 2: Lynch SK. Night KP kills 1-2 townies.
- Day 3: Lynch ???. Night KP kills 1-2 townies.
- Total # of dead townies: 4-7. (Likely 5, assuming reduction of Mafia KP at 3 remaining, a mis-lynch)
You're plan was a good plan before everyone could be convinced that Bum and Ben were scum. Before LD started talking to us again. In fact, your plan is still probably the best if we assume that LD will work against us. But both his history and his posting showed that he will likely hit our target tonight, so I called for Bum to be lynched.
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I asked the mod to retire me after shooting Beneather tonight (punishing mafia for setting a damn dt/fake roleblock trap for me).
So there is high possibility that you guys don't have to worry about my lynch tomorrow.
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On February 05 2011 03:56 LunarDestiny wrote:
I asked the mod to retire me after shooting Beneather tonight (punishing mafia for setting a damn dt/fake roleblock trap for me).
So there is high possibility that you guys don't have to worry about my lynch tomorrow.
Good lord. Remind me NEVER to piss you off as Mafia. That's pretty brutal. Thanks, it will help a lot. (If it actually happens.)
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Kav, I understand that perfectly well.
But to say that I'm scum because I didn't change my vote, even though I said I'll be going to sleep due to schoolwork, is kind of a stretch.
And I'm not talking about you, but at least two people accused me of that.
Meh. Anyway.
If mods dismiss LD these would be like.. the best 24 hours that town had in this game by far. 
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Oh, I'd forgotten to do this.
My opinion on what Blues should do:
Medic(s):
Protecting GMarshal is a good plan for tonight. I've not done a full analysis on Barundar, but he seems pretty pro town, and his analysis of Kenpachi looks good to me. He's a good alternative, imo.
DT(s)
Kenpachi would be a good person to check tonight, for the reason that Barundar's case is strong, but not perfect. He will likely be one the lynch targets tomorrow, so I think it's a good idea to check him.
Vig(s)
Previously I asked for hits to pressure people who weren't posting enough. Most of those people are dead now, and we don't have a strong enough case on anyone else to my knowledge. I suggest saving your shot.
Mason: If there's another one of you out there for some reason, recruit me please. I think that we could gain a lot if we combined our circles. (Chances are there's only one, but hey. Doesn't hurt to try...)
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On February 05 2011 04:04 CubEdIn wrote:Kav, I understand that perfectly well. But to say that I'm scum because I didn't change my vote, even though I said I'll be going to sleep due to schoolwork, is kind of a stretch. And I'm not talking about you, but at least two people accused me of that. Meh. Anyway. If mods dismiss LD these would be like.. the best 24 hours that town had in this game by far.
I agree. The only reason someone would keep their votes on LD was because they were away. It means nothing if they voted LD.
If they were mafia, they would have seen the inevitability of bum's lynch, and bussed him. I don't expect to gain a lot of information from his bandwagon, but looking at who was supporting what without giving reason...That should help us.
In addition, we might be able to do something with clues at this point. Analysis is still first in my book for a conviction, but five days of clues is bound to bring up something worth looking into.
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On February 05 2011 04:01 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 03:56 LunarDestiny wrote:
I asked the mod to retire me after shooting Beneather tonight (punishing mafia for setting a damn dt/fake roleblock trap for me).
So there is high possibility that you guys don't have to worry about my lynch tomorrow. Good lord. Remind me NEVER to piss you off as Mafia. That's pretty brutal. Thanks, it will help a lot. (If it actually happens.)
Well, back in insane, SK LD was responsible for most of the mafia kills.
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Hey LSB, can I be dismissed after tonight?
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