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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On February 04 2011 11:55 Divinek wrote: why in the name of all that is holy is there a god damn novel on the page Ignorance of spoilers and quoting every post including analysis quoting many posts. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
I'll look it over and rebut it later, if it even needs rebuttal. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 04 2011 11:55 Divinek wrote: why in the name of all that is holy is there a god damn novel on the page Because I suck????? Sorry. | ||
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zerroth
Canada173 Posts
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Beneather
Canada451 Posts
On February 04 2011 12:05 zerroth wrote: mayor are you going to check scum again? Of course he's going to check scum... Wouldn't you think that he thought that he made a huge Discovery and the only way to figure that out is to compare the numbers from his last check! :D | ||
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Beneather
Canada451 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Did you NOT read my post where I specifically called out analyses like these as been scum? Look, I bet that 1, maybe two people read the entire thing. You do the town a disservice to post things that long. Do I need to bring up my Ver quote where he talks about analyses not needing to be Every Freaking Post? That being said, I read up till you forgot your quote tag, and I gotta say, it was a good read. I was actually thinking of doing an analysis of BB next, but then I got to read your analysis. I'm now more convinced that he's town than I was before. Look, I don't mean to harp on a newer player, but you use some pretty awful logic in it. I'll go over it to point out at least a few examples of what I mean. If you are town, I'd highly suggest reviewing my argument with Bum about analyses. Find the link to ver's post on analyses and read it. You need to. Also, BrownBear, there are some good things in there, but one important thing that needs to be said, is that Bad Logic is Bad logic. Not necessarily scummy logic. Same thing with plans. Bad plans/logic are scummy when that are bad in a way that only benefits Mafia. In general, Bad =/= Scummy. It's only scummy if it's bad in a way that benefits only Mafia. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On February 04 2011 12:03 BrownBear wrote: Holy shit that is indeed a god damn novel. I'll look it over and rebut it later, if it even needs rebuttal. you seem to have a very shitty attitude this game. im gonna hope you are in fact scum and just playing the role otherwise i have lost a lot of respect for you. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
tell all your scumbuddys we coming for them. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Dear Coag, I heard about you when I was just starting to play. People tole me you were un-readable, and best ignored. I really didn't understand what they meant by it. Now I know, and I really wish I didn't. You hurt my brain. On a more serious note, could you contribute, pretty PLEASE!? I really don't expect much from you other than a comical play by play one-liner commentary on what's happening, but town could really use some help, not one-liners. At the very least, stop posting so much. You'll only help the mafia snowball things. -Your friend**, Kavdragon. + Show Spoiler + **if you are scum, you are not my friend. Unless you come clean and tell me everything. In that case we can still be pals. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On February 04 2011 08:29 Kenpachi wrote: ##Unvote LunarDestiny ##Vote Bumatlarge Would you mind explaining where you were this whole time? Last post you told our medic to protect Bum. That was a long time ago. If you were active enough to vote, why not let us know what you thought? | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + My Case for Papapanda Papapanda has been at the back of my mind for a while for generally scummy play, but he's been inactive so I'm not reminded of him very much. This changed once I build an inactives list for myself, so I decided to analyse him. Two things stuck out to me about his posting this game. One, he has been very hesitant with his posting, constantly refering to the fact that he's new, and generally hasn't stuck his head out. Two, he contributes very little in terms of content or opinions. A large portion of his posts are simply questioning the ideas of other players, or postulating about things that are irrelevant to this game. I originally thought that this could have been because he was new, but after re-reading some of Ver's posts, I realize that this is exactly the sort of thing that makes this case STRONGER, not weaker. Here are a few posts highlighting his timidness, and + Show Spoiler + On January 25 2011 12:17 papapanda wrote: my thoughts are the first day clues are just an example of how the clue would be like for new players(like me:D) and are pointing towards people outside the game(like Qatol, LSB, Node...etc) In other words, not really relevent to ON? On January 23 2011 16:27 papapanda wrote: I've not been in the mafia scene long enough to understand some of the old rivalry and whatnot im guessing thats what bum is about because divinek didnt post yet?(followed mafiaXXXV[big fan of pandain;P]) Afraid i won't be much help with this clue also, have absolutely no idea. But yeah, im wearing a kav for prez button! ooh...catchy  On January 26 2011 19:04 papapanda wrote: In the night 1 post, it said no clues are in that post, yet black is bolded...does this sort of mean that the bolded words in day post are also not clues? Very timidly put. He doesn't even give his own opinion on the matter. I hope im not sounding overly negative of Kav's decision but i would've picked either of bum or bb to kill based on what he had done rather than on clues(that might not have even be relevent). Finally he states an opinion, but it's so timidly put that I'll bet no one ever considered it seriously twice. But I understand that this was first day so there was not much to base analysis upon(ON didnt defend himself at all, that's probably why he was killed over the other two ). Btw i don't like the timing of the turns(of day/night), seems like i'm in the wrong time zone(missing all the periods when most people are on) also ill try harder to boost post counts  He gives an excuse for not posting very much, but he blames it on time zones? Also, he's defneding himself well before people were attaking inactives. This is very typical of people who have something to hide. Ver's thoughts on this sort of play. (This can be found in Ver's analysis of Mafia XXX) + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2010 13:07 Ver wrote: -Note the multiple apologies, excuses, the specific mention that he is still learning, and overall meek tone. Newer mafia players will try to emphasize their inexperience as a way of overcompensating. Think about this from the angle of being a townie: why would you want to say all this? What's the point in painting yourself to be some noob who is useless and shouldn't be listened to? If you want to be of use to the town, apologizing a bunch and acting all sorry for doing nothing wrong is hardly going to make yourself listened to. In fact, it will make people ignore you instead. Someone who can't even convince themself is hardly going to convince anyone else. That would be great for a mafia who wants to hide though, wouldn't it? On that angle it makes perfect sense from the mafia's perspective. You want to find reasons that make you look less suspicious without looking like you are trying too hard to do so. See how Misder isn't even suspicious before this but he's trying to make himself look less suspicious. That's entirely mafia rationale. A townie might want to defend himself if someone accuses him, but only a mafia feels inherently guilty and has a need, perhaps even a desire to defend himself before he's even a blip on anyone's radar. It's a very common pattern that I've seen many, many times. Further, Papapanda has contributed very little in the way of opinions or insights that are useful to the town. His posts usually do not contribute anything of value, and he often states things that are wrong. This post is indicative of many of his posts. On January 24 2011 12:54 papapanda wrote: If an SK becomes the mayor (SK cannot be night killed) it wouldn't really who becomes a body guard. just an interesting point I would like to point out. No one ever thought I was SK, so why bring this up? Can there be more than one SKs ? I'm assuming so that would mean potentially(assuming mafia KP is 2-4 and there vigilant kills on night 2) there can be 4-6 deaths on night 2:D Asks a dumb question, w/e, and makes an estimate that is so broad that it can't be wrong. In essence, it looks like he's giving an opinion on KP, but doesn't say anything really. Yeah, basically, I'm just saying mayor is important role and should not be traded for a scum life. and BTW first day clues does not point to anyone in the game, i believe. [red]Repeates what has been said up to this point, says something that is obviously wrong about clues, and doesn't give a real opinion yet again. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
This is his play When he is town : He has no problem interjecting random seemingly obscure demands callouts and halfassed attempts at pointing fingers around at people and trying to make people do shit while giving no evidence or support for his claims at all. When he is mafia : He is NEVER aggressive hes like anti agressive he never makes any attempt at controlling or convincing people to do something he never makes risky posts that will call attention to him. his activity level is much lower when he is mafia. and everything he says is completely un note worthy. hes as easy to read as a book. hes clearly town this game. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
Kenpachi was very quick to name beneather a vigi. And he has been completely silent with regards to bum? I need to look it over, was planning on doing an analysis of him anyways. I have a town read on BB. Couldn't all those bear references just as easily be Mr.Wiggles references? He is singing (wrote the Stan parody), and being a bear in a detective costume kinda is being masked? | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On February 04 2011 13:06 Coagulation wrote: you seem to have a very shitty attitude this game. im gonna hope you are in fact scum and just playing the role otherwise i have lost a lot of respect for you. Maybe I'm just frustrated with the lack of good town play from a significant chunk of people this game. Although honestly, I don't really see how I'm that far out of line, especially considering what you have posted in the past. Regardless, focus on the game, not individual attitudes. If you have a problem with my attitude, take it up with me after the game. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
I thought we were lynching LunarD regardless of whether or not bumatlarge was scum, that was the whole freaking point of my mile-long posts explaining the maths behind this. So we went from lynching 2 mafia and sk, and leaving the reds with 1kp, to lynching only the mafia and leaving the anti-town with 2kps? And you guys think that's an awesome idea? Oh, and because I went to sleep and didn't change my vote like you did, I'm scum now, according to LD? That's fking rich. Even though I constantly pushed the idea of bum being scum and nemesis not being scum, I'm red! Yes, LunarD, I still want you dead. Deal with it. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On February 04 2011 11:21 LSB wrote: Modkill SiNiquity too! Is SiN dead or not? It says he will be modkilled in the voting thread. | ||
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