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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 17 2011 07:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I mean the fact there were 5 "hits" make sense if decon isn't the sk. This is kinda unrelated, but it was something I never got a chance to address BC. You repeatedly state that if Fishball is the traitor he has to provide reds for us to stay alive. 1) Why would the traitor in his situation ever consider hunting for a red? 2) What reds has he found? | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
On January 17 2011 04:05 CubEdIn wrote: No, you said I'm stupid, very stupid. Mostly because I didn't read the OP well enough. And after saying that, you went on about LSB, who had already died, and did an "analysis" on him. Which means that you've been paying less attention to the game than I was. And that's just plain ignorant. But you know, bygones. Huh. TBH, I really did totally miss LSB dying actually. alright, I admit. I'm also very stupid. I'll blame myself for that. Although, I'll say that I payed equally as much attention to the game as you. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On January 17 2011 07:27 kitaman27 wrote: This is kinda unrelated, but it was something I never got a chance to address BC. You repeatedly state that if Fishball is the traitor he has to provide reds for us to stay alive. 1) Why would the traitor in his situation ever consider hunting for a red? 2) What reds has he found? I will speak from experience. When I was Traitor back when the role was first introduced to TL, I knew If i got intouch with the mafia I could help them, except I also had to be active enough and not appear as scum. To this regards I analyzed. Pointing out people you think are "red" but not pushing them to a lynch is a good sign for reds to spot you and make contact. Fishball has "analyzed" multiple people this game but never pushed for a lynch. If you believe he is traitor these would be the signs you are looking for, subtle clues in thread to reveal who he is. With a list of 5-6 players it woudl take mafia forever to find him on their own without luck. Him giving signs (finding a few of them, or giving off tell tale signs) would be what they need. The fatal mistake in your thinking is that just because hes traitor (in a no pm game no less) that he will just sit back and wait for them to find him, he has to meet them halfway, or find them. IF fishball is the traitor, I can almost guarentee you that decon is mafia by association. I say this because if an SK is going to shoot who everyone thinks the traitor is, mafia wouldn't waste their med on the cause as any mafia action would auto recruit him, (would take two meds or fishball having bulletproof/vet to live). As such, if fish is traitor, it would make more sense for decon to be red, claim he is going to hit him, mafia any powerrole that isnt kp targets fish and recruits him. They now lie about the hit. This leaves mafia two kp to use (keep in mind if decon is red, cpr is going to be 100% in mafia hands). Mafia takes a shot at kita hoping to take out a town kp role, and shoots jimbo for being smart, the second sk shoots zeks as it benefits him completely (zeks claimed mason). That situation seems the most plausible to me. IT also means that if the situation I just outlined is correct that kita/amber/kenpachi/cube are all instantly confirmed as town. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On January 17 2011 07:32 Misder wrote: Huh. TBH, I really did totally miss LSB dying actually. alright, I admit. I'm also very stupid. I'll blame myself for that. Although, I'll say that I payed equally as much attention to the game as you. If you missed someone dying, seeing what they flipped, and made a post analyzing them saying you weren't convinced they were mafia you are paying less attention. By saying you were questioning that he was mafia is indicative of two things, you are red, or stupid. Only a red would know for sure he wasn't red, and he was acting insanely sketchy which had put him on a ton of radars to begin with. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 17 2011 07:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will speak from experience. When I was Traitor back when the role was first introduced to TL, I knew If i got intouch with the mafia I could help them, except I also had to be active enough and not appear as scum. To this regards I analyzed. Pointing out people you think are "red" but not pushing them to a lynch is a good sign for reds to spot you and make contact. Fishball has "analyzed" multiple people this game but never pushed for a lynch. If you believe he is traitor these would be the signs you are looking for, subtle clues in thread to reveal who he is. With a list of 5-6 players it woudl take mafia forever to find him on their own without luck. Him giving signs (finding a few of them, or giving off tell tale signs) would be what they need. The fatal mistake in your thinking is that just because hes traitor (in a no pm game no less) that he will just sit back and wait for them to find him, he has to meet them halfway, or find them. Since he clearly fits your traitor profile, how come you were so resistant to have him lynched the day before? You argue that a traitor fishball should be let to live because he will help the town, yet now state that he would never push a red for a lynch. Have you gained any new information that has changed your mind or do you still advocate keeping him around? On January 15 2011 14:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Plan to yes, but only because I don't actually think I will live throughout the night. I have a gap between my staff meeting and when i have to be at work tommorrow in which I plan on doing it. Also, isn't it common for scum to promise analysis, but never deliver? @bum. You seemed to indicate that you have information to reveal. Is that something that would be relevant? On January 16 2011 10:48 deconduo wrote: Misder or beneather would be my choice I think. I think it would be dumb of zeks to claim mason as thats easily verified. deconduo suggested I not hit zeks. Combined with his miss on fishball, not sure how trustworthy he is. BC is trying to push a lynch of dec if fishball pops traitor, so its hard to tell. Since nearly 24 hours have passed and we still don't a lynch discussion yet..... ##Vote Fishball | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
Now @BCs scenario- deconduo could be mafia, but what strikes me odd is that he tried to get Fishball lynched day 2 and said he would kill BC during the night, the opposite of what mafia would do. Also, we have to take into account that if deconduo is mafia, we would have a loose SK (besides the unknown). | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
1. Deconduo: did not really confirm he is SK. As per my original thoughts, he may be red (at first I thought he could even be red/cpr, but then he confirmed cc). However. If he is just red (and not SK), there's no actual reason to lynch him just yet. Just leave him on for another night, try to kill someone else, see what happens. If he is SK, he could help the town, if he is Mafia, then we're not lowering total KP anyway. It boils down to this: we can lynch him for knowing he is 100% not town, but it won't benefit the town much, since he clearly has no "awesome" role to help the Mafia with. IF we don't come up with ANYONE better, then he is a viable target, or we could just skip the lynch like last night (Amber, still didn't get a good explanation as to why you threw away vote but nvm). 2. Unless I'm reading the OP wrong (for the 5th hundred time in this game): Paranoid Doctor - Protects the target and also roleblocks them Naive Doctor - This protection always fails on the target Weak Doctor - This doctor dies if protecting a player not from their alignment From the above, there is one way that I could have protected you, Kita, and NOT role block you. The only other possibility is that I am weak doctor, and that both me and a roleblocker targeted you, and that you are town. You kept saying only 25% chance that I did it, but to me, it's like >75% sure that I did it, unless mafia decided to use two actions on you (since Amber is saying he didn't, and it would assume that mafia has JOAT) 3. I somewhat trust BC. His posts have been pro-town from the start of this game, so I think it would be very stupid to lynch him. Of course, some of the things were very Captain Hindsight-ish, but still, we can just lynch him if he stops being pro-town. So far, I see no reason to do it, honestly. Will come back with more tomorrow. Would suggest lynching Amber or Fishball, though I do agree things don't look very great for Fishball. (and yes, I am choosing them because the chances of hitting the traitor are far greater now than before IMO). | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On January 17 2011 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared. Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. Seeing that you already voted for me, that just further proves my point. Your decision was already decided long ago, and I rather not waste hours of my Sunday debating on something that will have little to no effect on my case. Anyways, here is some statistic work for you guys These are the 15 players left.
There are 4 Mafia, 1 Traitor, and 1 maybe 2 SK's. That's 6-7 players, close to half of the remaining survivors that do not have Town as their priority. These players all fall into the category of being inactive to a certain degree during the game. - BloodyC0bbler - bumatlarge - Eiii - Amber[LighT] - JimboSilvers - Beneather - HaploPaithan - Pigsquirrel - Misder Regardless of reasons, these players fall into the "lurking/very inactive" category. - Eiii (I'm not entirely sure about his presence) - JimboSilvers - Beneather - Pigsquirrel - Misder Two players that have literally vanished from the thread. (correct me if I'm wrong) - Beneather - Pigsquirrel BC said that I've never exactly pushed for a lynch target myself. That is not exactly true, as I pushed for LoR's, which was deemed the best course of action for a Day 1 lynch by general consensus. I also proposed to lynch BC himself. Ok, maybe I didn't really push for BC's lynch but I've brought him up many times. I only held back after he made a case against LSB, and I agree with a lot of the stuff he says for the past couple days. Still, I find his reasoning for lynching LoR abnormal, especially after being inactive for like the first 3 days. + Show Spoiler + On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote layoffrage Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target. I'm pretty sure even BC himself would agree with me if you look at it from another player's view point. Still, what he is providing right now, far outshines the skepticism early on; I don't really have anything against him for now. So if you were to ask me for a lynch target, the information mentioned above is where I would start to look at. Also, every one of you please keep one thing in mind. A player having their role confirmed does not mean their alignment is confirmed. I've seen a few of you use the word "confirm" a lot. It's mind boggling. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
I am a Role Cop Night 1. I checked kenpachi and it came back GodFather. I was going to come out and say it but then LSB and BC came out and said they went for GF, and that kenachi wasn't getting FoS for his move. Night 2 I picked Eii and got back vanilla. He should confirm this, but I have no idea what he went for or not. Night 3 I will check fishball if he survives. I want to check someone who can actually confirm I have rolecop, so tonight I will check one of the following unclaimed. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On January 17 2011 09:13 Kenpachi wrote: Interesting.. Eii lied? nvm.. but someone above him is parity. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
I think its Haplo :o | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
You can be BM's successor. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On January 17 2011 09:13 Kenpachi wrote: Interesting.. Eii lied? Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
And we are just ditching my zeks history lesson? I was proud of that  I guess I have to analyze people who are alive? But they get annoyed and yell at me...Also I'm still a tad confused where Cube and amber are roleblocking people, and what BC is saying about confirmed townies. I'd like to get in on being in the confirmed category :D | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote: Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. Your only response to the traitor situation is that everyone thinks you are it and you're not focused on finding it. Seeing that you already voted for me, that just further proves my point. Your decision was already decided long ago, and I rather not waste hours of my Sunday debating on something that will have little to no effect on my case. You have given little reason to change my mind. There are very few possible situations remaining. If I were in your situation and knew I wasn't traitor I would surely push for who I thought it was rather than go after a giant list of inactives. 2 Kenpachi (either BC is the godfather or someone between BC and kenpachi selected the godfather and bum is lying about his role cop check) 3 kitaman27 (lied about being role blocked and being hit at night) 6 Fishball 7 Amber[Light] (lied about role blocking kenpachi and pig, meaning kenpachi and pig would also have to be lying, assuming pig ever comes forth) 8 CubEdIn (lied about saving me from a hit, while a second medic did save me from a hit) On January 17 2011 09:20 bumatlarge wrote: Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii I don't recall a Eiii claim either. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On January 17 2011 09:20 bumatlarge wrote: Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii nope. i thought he did lol. If he did take Parity, I would say Haplo took it before him. He might be scum who tried to nab a stronger role. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On January 17 2011 09:28 kitaman27 wrote: Your only response to the traitor situation is that everyone thinks you are it and you're not focused on finding it. You have given little reason to change my mind. There are very few possible situations remaining. If I were in your situation and knew I wasn't traitor I would surely push for who I thought it was rather than go after a giant list of inactives. I don't recall a Eiii claim either. Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand? | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On January 17 2011 09:41 Fishball wrote: Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand? Also, lol @ 3 kitaman27 (lied about being role blocked and being hit at night) Did you deliberately leave out the possibility of "lied being a vig"? I mean, if you want to make your post convincing, at least list everything out. The more you hide it, the more suspicious you look. This is my response to Jimbo a few pages back. On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote: So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move. | ||
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