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On November 02 2011 05:16 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:49 Palmar wrote:On November 02 2011 04:15 iGrok wrote:On November 02 2011 03:21 Palmar wrote:On November 02 2011 01:57 iGrok wrote:On November 01 2011 20:23 Forumite wrote:On November 01 2011 11:27 iGrok wrote:
Just fyi, if Area 53 isn't played, the /sitout won't count. Is it going to be played now, or are you yielding the floor to Palmars Team Mafia? Yielding to Palmar's. I had no way of knowing it was going to be posted. I think it's fairly safe to assume that the next game in the queue will always be posted. Foolishness has really good control of the queue. My game has been ready for a long while, I was simply waiting for the go-ahead from Foolish. But, as I pointed out earlier, it had been more than a week since a mafia game was last played. Yeah, but that's foolishness's decision too, he and I were in contact through pms during this week. I mean, I personally offered to give up my spot for something smaller, so it's not about me wanting to host a game, it's more about us all having to trust foolish is doing whatever feels right. He was probably waiting to launch my game to see if Caller's would fill up and probably also waiting for an update for Caller, all the while he also made sure I was ready to put up my game within a short time of his go-ahead. I mean, I think everyone appreciates the effort you put in, you tried to start a game when people were calling for one, but while we use foolish's system it's probably best if we follow it. Moved to proper thread. I'm not putting you at fault at all. What I do have an issue with is that the system didn't work, because of the games that were queued. Caller's game still isn't full and people are /outing, and for a full week there were no games being played or any signups other than Caller's game. You may have been in PM contact with Foolishness, but the rest of us had no way of knowing that. Once your game starts (and Caller's ultimately gets removed since people are leaving), who goes next? Whats up with XLVI? Is that another game that there's pm convos that is ready to go but we just don't know about it?
I assume Foolishness has it all covered.
He knows that if he needs help he needs to simply ask and there are plenty of people willing to lend a hand, but I'm pretty sure the queue is clear enough, isn't Zona up for the next normal game?
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I say let igrok's game play. We'd had a week with nothing happening and it's really small. Also as stated palmar's game has 20 people so isn't a mini.
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On November 02 2011 05:53 redFF wrote:
I say let igrok's game play. We'd had a week with nothing happening and it's really small. Also as stated palmar's game has 20 people so isn't a mini.
I don't want to run my game if it will take activity away from Palmar's.
However, we haven't had a truly normal game in quite a while.
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I'm in agreement with iGrok about the system hiccuping and failing us a little bit here. I think there should always be at least 1 game going, with a maximum gap of like 2-3 days (in low activity situations)
Obviously activity is really low right now, so we need to do something about the current queued games so we can still have some at least.
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On November 02 2011 06:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm in agreement with iGrok about the system hiccuping and failing us a little bit here. I think there should always be at least 1 game going, with a maximum gap of like 2-3 days (in low activity situations)
Obviously activity is really low right now, so we need to do something about the current queued games so we can still have some at least.
problem is, there was already a game being signed up for, it just wasn't filling up.
The obvious solution to that is not to open MORE games, although it seems to be working quite well this case. I think it's only fair that Caller's game got a few days before we opened another one.
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On November 02 2011 07:01 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm in agreement with iGrok about the system hiccuping and failing us a little bit here. I think there should always be at least 1 game going, with a maximum gap of like 2-3 days (in low activity situations)
Obviously activity is really low right now, so we need to do something about the current queued games so we can still have some at least. problem is, there was already a game being signed up for, it just wasn't filling up. The obvious solution to that is not to open MORE games, although it seems to be working quite well this case. I think it's only fair that Caller's game got a few days before we opened another one.
This case was special because it was a Caller game. <3 to Caller, but some people don't want to play in Caller games, and it had been several days since the last /in. I considered joining just to get the queue moving again, but starting a normal game seemed more popular
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On November 02 2011 07:01 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm in agreement with iGrok about the system hiccuping and failing us a little bit here. I think there should always be at least 1 game going, with a maximum gap of like 2-3 days (in low activity situations)
Obviously activity is really low right now, so we need to do something about the current queued games so we can still have some at least. problem is, there was already a game being signed up for, it just wasn't filling up. The obvious solution to that is not to open MORE games, although it seems to be working quite well this case. I think it's only fair that Caller's game got a few days before we opened another one.
I agree that the solution wouldn't be another game the same size as Caller's game, the solution is hosting smaller games.
I suppose there's another possible solution in recruiting new players, but from what I understand Caller's game wouldn't provide for a very newbie-friendly environment.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On November 02 2011 05:16 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:49 Palmar wrote:On November 02 2011 04:15 iGrok wrote:On November 02 2011 03:21 Palmar wrote:On November 02 2011 01:57 iGrok wrote:On November 01 2011 20:23 Forumite wrote:On November 01 2011 11:27 iGrok wrote:
Just fyi, if Area 53 isn't played, the /sitout won't count. Is it going to be played now, or are you yielding the floor to Palmars Team Mafia? Yielding to Palmar's. I had no way of knowing it was going to be posted. I think it's fairly safe to assume that the next game in the queue will always be posted. Foolishness has really good control of the queue. My game has been ready for a long while, I was simply waiting for the go-ahead from Foolish. But, as I pointed out earlier, it had been more than a week since a mafia game was last played. Yeah, but that's foolishness's decision too, he and I were in contact through pms during this week. I mean, I personally offered to give up my spot for something smaller, so it's not about me wanting to host a game, it's more about us all having to trust foolish is doing whatever feels right. He was probably waiting to launch my game to see if Caller's would fill up and probably also waiting for an update for Caller, all the while he also made sure I was ready to put up my game within a short time of his go-ahead. I mean, I think everyone appreciates the effort you put in, you tried to start a game when people were calling for one, but while we use foolish's system it's probably best if we follow it. Moved to proper thread. I'm not putting you at fault at all. What I do have an issue with is that the system didn't work, because of the games that were queued. Caller's game still isn't full and people are /outing, and for a full week there were no games being played or any signups other than Caller's game. You may have been in PM contact with Foolishness, but the rest of us had no way of knowing that. Once your game starts (and Caller's ultimately gets removed since people are leaving), who goes next? Whats up with XLVI? Is that another game that there's pm convos that is ready to go but we just don't know about it?
I made a post a week ago saying:
On October 23 2011 13:52 Foolishness wrote:
As activity is really slow, I think I'm going to put the queue on hold for a bit. That is, I won't be accepting any new games to the queue (for any type) until we get through a few games.
Palmar and Zona will be the next 2 to host. After that we will figure out on a case by case basis.
kitaman27 expressed interest in hosting a game for new players only. He is going to attempt to find new players for a game, so if anyone wants to help please contact him.
And since I did not say otherwise in the thread it's safe for you to assume that is the case. You can always directly ask me if things are still going according to schedule (via PM or the thread). If you feel like I should be posting regular updates more frequently then say so as that's something I can definitely do  . Also, that post was only a week ago, which in retrospect is not that long (I may be a bit biased because I still remember the days where there would be 1 mafia game over a 3 month period). I know we are used to having 2-3 games running concurrently, but there aren't enough people for that right now. That's the way it is, and we are all looking for ways to fix that.
Also, I'm well aware that the "system didn't work" as this is the first time this sort of situation has happened. The queue was built on the premise that we'd always be going at the 2 games running at once, and was designed to stop people from randomly posting their games because they felt like hosting. As I said, we have always had more hosts than players to fill their games. Still hasn't changed and probably never will.
If you have an idea of how to improve the system (especially when we are in situations like these) then please say so (and go talk to Incognito because he'd love to tell you how much he hates the queue system =P ).
On November 02 2011 06:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm in agreement with iGrok about the system hiccuping and failing us a little bit here. I think there should always be at least 1 game going, with a maximum gap of like 2-3 days (in low activity situations)
Obviously activity is really low right now, so we need to do something about the current queued games so we can still have some at least.
I would like there to be at least 1 game going, but nobody's around. Also, it's the same 4-6 people who are constantly posting things like "we have enough players why isn't there a game!!" (you, iGrok, Forumite to name a few).
And yes that is why I gave Caller a few days and had Palmar post his game. Originally Zona was going to go first but we'll have Palmar go first since that was what the few players that are here are demanding. As bugs said, opening more games is not the solution to the problem, and this only leads back to the situations we had before the queue. We established this to prevent that from happening. Now, if you think I waited to long on Caller's game, I waited about a week before sending him a PM about activity and we had Palmar post his game after 1.5 weeks. The average time it takes for a game to start is usually 2 weeks, so in essence I was cutting it a bit short.
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On November 02 2011 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:01 Palmar wrote:On November 02 2011 06:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm in agreement with iGrok about the system hiccuping and failing us a little bit here. I think there should always be at least 1 game going, with a maximum gap of like 2-3 days (in low activity situations)
Obviously activity is really low right now, so we need to do something about the current queued games so we can still have some at least. problem is, there was already a game being signed up for, it just wasn't filling up. The obvious solution to that is not to open MORE games, although it seems to be working quite well this case. I think it's only fair that Caller's game got a few days before we opened another one. I agree that the solution wouldn't be another game the same size as Caller's game, the solution is hosting smaller games. I suppose there's another possible solution in recruiting new players, but from what I understand Caller's game wouldn't provide for a very newbie-friendly environment.
Well of course that's the solution, as can be seen by the fact that there are only 2 spots remaining in my game now. However, it should be Foolishness's decision to send the next player in line out to host, not a decision taken by someone else to put a game at the front of the queue.
I know it was most definitely not iGrok's or anyone's else intention to step on anyone's toes, but it's still what happens when we don't follow the rules we set ourselves.
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Well tbh I think it's also an issue of what types of setups hosts are using. Caller's setup obviously isn't nearly as popular (right now) as Palmar's or iGrok's. You mentioned something, Foolish, about there only being a handful of players who are clamoring for games right now, and while I think that has some merit, I don't think it fully encapsulates the current situation.
Look at this:
On November 02 2011 00:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote in iGrok's Area 53 Mafia Thread:
/in
On November 02 2011 07:50 Jackal58 wrote:
iGrok game?
/IN
On November 01 2011 20:21 GMarshal wrote in Palmar's mafia thread:
/in
On November 01 2011 22:03 chaoser wrote:
/in!
On November 01 2011 19:38 sandroba wrote:
/in
On November 01 2011 20:30 Radfield wrote:
/in
The weekend of the 11/12/13th I will be unavailable. Hopefully a set-up like this will be fairly forgiving though. If not then don't sign me up.
These are all players who signed up for iGrok's or Palmar's games, but not Caller's.
That means one or more of the following:
1. They preferred one setup over the other
2. They didn't have time for a larger game
3. They prefer a smaller game
And if there are other reasons I might be missing, perhaps those as well.
So, IMO it's not just about activity. In fact, I think the greater issue right now might actually be the size and types of games that are being hosted.
Perhaps it might be a good idea to constantly have some sort of mini going? Like a 9 to 16 player game?
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fuck quoted instead of edited
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Foolishness: Can we get a clarification, is iGrok's game due to be played once mine starts, or is it not to be played until after other mini mafias (tackster's and radfield's).
If it's be postponed to the back of the queue I think iGrok should clarify that it won't start for a while in his OP.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On November 02 2011 08:17 Palmar wrote:
Foolishness: Can we get a clarification, is iGrok's game due to be played once mine starts, or is it not to be played until after other mini mafias (tackster's and radfield's).
If it's be postponed to the back of the queue I think iGrok should clarify that it won't start for a while in his OP.
Neither. I'd put it on the back of the queue, but the queue is on hold. Once we get through a few more games he can definitely revive it and put it on the queue.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
To be honest, I think a recruitment post could fill up a normal game in a matter of days. Haunted filled up a 61 man setup with a simple blog post. Annul's Harry Potter also filled up rather quickly after a blog advertisement. If people don't have a problem with playing with a newer crowd, I think its pretty reasonable to think we could solve the inactivity problem.
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I'll mention TLMafia in the stimcast tonight, and also recruit some LoL players.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On November 02 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:
To be honest, I think a recruitment post could fill up a normal game in a matter of days. Haunted filled up a 61 man setup with a simple blog post. Annul's Harry Potter also filled up rather quickly after a blog advertisement. If people don't have a problem with playing with a newer crowd, I think its pretty reasonable to think we could solve the inactivity problem.
You're not the only one who thinks that (Ver). GMarshal is going to advertise for Zona's game so we'll see what happens.
On November 02 2011 10:14 iGrok wrote:
I'll mention TLMafia in the stimcast tonight, and also recruit some LoL players.
Good deal
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yeah my first game (XVIII i think?) was advertised in sports and games and i know that was mig and dropbear's first game too.
so we got 3 regulars from that O_o
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Palmar's game got full pretty quick, so perhaps it's a setup that might be worth using whenever it's difficult to get full games going. I imagine it's at least partly, probably mainly, due to the fact you've to invest less time into playing when sharing a role.
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I think we need a huge (like 50 or more players) exciting game with no pms and mayoral elections open to everyone with a good mix of veterans (ace/ver/incog/quatol/fw/etc really should join to help the cause if they are feeling compassionate enough =P) and tl staff (hopefully) and advertise it in the general forums so people get the full mafia experience. I don't really think the newbie games are really providing that to be honest and newbies leave before they get a real taste.
If we all put in the effort to make the game awesome I'm sure that would atract plenty of new players.
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