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Radfield
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On December 08 2010 10:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:03 CubEdIn wrote:
Well at least I was right about our "confirmed green".
And I also knew Radfield was red, when he started panicking at the end.
But yeah, I would've guessed Node/Glasse to be #3.
GG. I actually think that was used to make sure you guys would follow with the plan. Imagine if there was no resistance, especially from a pretty much known mafia player. You guys might realize that you didn't have one of the bombs on a red and were thus losing the game. So him fighting against the lynch made more sense and confirmed your guys suspicion. At least that is what I assumed radfield was doing, since lynching jcarl won them the game. you guys should of just lynched Radfield or another mafia suspect. A more conservative route was definitely better in this situation the inner circle was completely compromised and the mafia knew everything that was happening since day one. AKA they knew where all the bombs were.
Lol, classy Cubedin... the ol "I KNEW you were mafia" after the fact 
Yes, the reason I fought so hard at the end was to link myself and Eiii irrevocably. If people all of a sudden decided to lynch me at the end, then it would be obvious that Eiii was also mafia, since I would never fight hard against the Mad Hatter lynch unless we were both mafia(since if Eiii was town then I win).
+ Show Spoiler +At the very end I was pushing Eiii just for the fun of it 
And yes, I knew the other bomb was on KtheZ, since South told us that.
GG everyone
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Radfield
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On December 08 2010 10:12 Kavdragon wrote:
Yeah, i think that this game will be quoted as a textbook example of how town circles can go wrong. I think that the mafia got a little lucky with the GF being DT checked day one, but they still deserved the win. Regardless of how badly the town played (yeah, me too), I think that the mafia did a decent job. Well played.
GG.
Mafia got EXTREMELY lucky with that night one DT check, and with the fact that the other dt was modkilled on Day 1. Honestly, this game(along with the role-list) was handed to us on a silver platter. Dr H's scumhunting almost saved the day, but it was a steep slope to climb.
On December 08 2010 10:18 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:16 CubEdIn wrote:On December 08 2010 10:13 Incognito wrote:On December 08 2010 10:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
From what I skimmed, did Jcarlsoniv keep saying his second target was Eii? Because he never actually had a bomb on Eii. You guys didn't do anywhere near enough analysis later on and I don't know why after you lynch the first veteran you didn't move to the second "veteran". Something I learned a few games ago, if you know that one of two people are mafia kill them both. Not necessarily true. 2 veterans in a game is perfectly reasonable and has been in quite a few setups in the past. In that case, town should've let both live. Killing one based on the fact that there's just one vet, and then letting the other go is dumb. No, YM wasn't lynched JUST because he was a vet. It was because he claimed to be a vet AND he wasn't contributing/playing his normal style. Yes, people should've looked at the lynch more closely, but this wasn't all too irrational.
Agreed. People were comparing myself and YM: Both semi-veteran players, known for contributing but are not. The big difference was that all of my posts looked like they were contributions, but were not. Where as YM was simply not contributing. This pegs me as mafia, and him as something else(either blue, or disinterested, or IRL busy, etc)
Also, had we not had the role list, we would have likely targeted YM in a blue-snipe attempt. His play was simply too uncharacteristic to go unnoticed.
EDIT: I will say my play this game was extremely lackluster. No doubt about that.
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Radfield
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On December 08 2010 10:27 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I blame myself solely for this loss. By entrusting all information to SouthRawrea, I handed this game to the mafia. Sorry guys. My play was pretty poor in this game.
But live and learn right? Lets all just agree to blame that n00b artanis for checking him in the first place. South's "hey look guys. I have a role, check me please" is what made me trust him as a vet, guess it had an alternate motive. We were only 10 minutes away from lynching Nemesis(protactinium). I'm going to have to go back and check how they dodged that bullet.
Haha. We didn't do anything.... In fact, last i had logged in we were lynching Kitiman(and i think that goes for most of the team). Reading through that thread was frickin tense though! Hilarious too
EDIT: @Nemesis: He means Protactinum, your prior incarnation.
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Radfield
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On December 08 2010 10:38 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 08 2010 10:21 Incognito wrote:On December 08 2010 10:12 Kavdragon wrote:
Yeah, i think that this game will be quoted as a textbook example of how town circles can go wrong. I think that the mafia got a little lucky with the GF being DT checked day one, but they still deserved the win. Regardless of how badly the town played (yeah, me too), I think that the mafia did a decent job. Well played.
GG. This is a textbook example of how town circles can go wrong. So was TL Mafia XXX. So was TL Mafia XXVIII. The list goes on. Regardless, town and mafia both played a mediocre game. And when both sides play a mediocre game, that usually means the mafia wins. DH was the only person reasonably able to do anything. Mafia succeeded at infiltrating the town circle and thought the game was over by then. As seen from Day 3, clearly, it was not. Mafia played a passive game and were weak in the thread. But maybe they didn't have to be since town was also weak there too. and haunted mafia where annul raped the town through the town circle On a further note: Theres only 3 games I remember where a town circle actually benefited the town. One was TL Mafia 4, where town circle destroyed the game Night 1 because mafia didn't read the rules. The second was Mafia V, where Town lynched red 7-8 times in a row (can't remember exactly, but it was almost a perfect game). However, in this game, town circle benefited from the fact that all the top tier players were town-sided. The third game was Mafia XX, where mafia played a passive game and information in the town circle was strictly kept between 3 players. The funny thing about that game, though, was that the mafia knew who the town circle was but couldn't do anything to stop them. That game also had too many strong blue roles. The moral of the story is: town circles only work well when information is kept strictly guarded AND the game has abnormal circumstances like described above. Otherwise, just don't try it.
I think Mafia XXVII had good use of PMs between blue roles(perhaps not exactly 'town circles'). Again, the info in that game was held closely by the players who knew, eventually duping the mafia into hitting whom they thought was the medic, but was actually the watcher. A watcher who happened to be medic protected, and watching himself.
Any 'leaks' in that game were fairly carefully orchestrated.
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Radfield
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On December 08 2010 10:41 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:26 Radfield wrote:On December 08 2010 10:12 Kavdragon wrote:
Yeah, i think that this game will be quoted as a textbook example of how town circles can go wrong. I think that the mafia got a little lucky with the GF being DT checked day one, but they still deserved the win. Regardless of how badly the town played (yeah, me too), I think that the mafia did a decent job. Well played.
GG. Mafia got EXTREMELY lucky with that night one DT check, and with the fact that the other dt was modkilled on Day 1. Honestly, this game(along with the role-list) was handed to us on a silver platter. Dr H's scumhunting almost saved the day, but it was a steep slope to climb. On December 08 2010 10:18 Incognito wrote:On December 08 2010 10:16 CubEdIn wrote:On December 08 2010 10:13 Incognito wrote:On December 08 2010 10:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
From what I skimmed, did Jcarlsoniv keep saying his second target was Eii? Because he never actually had a bomb on Eii. You guys didn't do anywhere near enough analysis later on and I don't know why after you lynch the first veteran you didn't move to the second "veteran". Something I learned a few games ago, if you know that one of two people are mafia kill them both. Not necessarily true. 2 veterans in a game is perfectly reasonable and has been in quite a few setups in the past. In that case, town should've let both live. Killing one based on the fact that there's just one vet, and then letting the other go is dumb. No, YM wasn't lynched JUST because he was a vet. It was because he claimed to be a vet AND he wasn't contributing/playing his normal style. Yes, people should've looked at the lynch more closely, but this wasn't all too irrational. Agreed. People were comparing myself and YM: Both semi-veteran players, known for contributing but are not. The big difference was that all of my posts looked like they were contributions, but were not. Where as YM was simply not contributing. This pegs me as mafia, and him as something else(either blue, or disinterested, or IRL busy, etc) Also, had we not had the role list, we would have likely targeted YM in a blue-snipe attempt. His play was simply too uncharacteristic to go unnoticed. EDIT: I will say my play this game was extremely lackluster. No doubt about that. Yes, you were fairly obvious day 1 if you compare this play to your other play. However, what I'm interested in most here is the GF comparison. Everyone assumes that GF will be the mafia's strongest player. However, often mafia doesn't choose the obvious player as GF. This game, SR over Radfield. Mafia XXII, BM over me. Caller's mafia, a no-name player over Ver. Will be back for more comments later.
Agreed, though I'd like to hope that I wasn't completely obvious until Day 2....
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Radfield
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On December 08 2010 11:17 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 21:33 Radfield wrote:... On November 28 2010 17:54 aidnai wrote:
Is the priority right now really to find confirmed townies to strengthen the town circle? or is it to find confirmed scum?
. All new players take note, no wiser words have been spoken. This game is about focusing on who is MAFIA, not who is town. How many times have you used the ALL function to CTRL-F through the thread for a certain players posts? I have done it dozens of times so far, and will continue to do it dozens more before i die(hopefully more than ~12hrs from now). I suggest everyone else do the same. ... >_< This tactic won me over so quick I'm embarrased. I won't trust people who flatter me anymore I guess. Although IT WAS GOOD ADVICE AND DAMN YOU TOWN FOR NOT LISTENING ;( May I ask why I got shivved so quick? reasoning? Was it an attempted blue snipe, or just unlikely medic target, or wifom-generator, or what? Dr.H had a good analysis on annul, and a good analysis on radfield. I'm not sure what went wrong with youngminii... I was shocked when he flipped blue. Looking forward to seeing another analysis on his play sometime.
You got sniped for PMing me this:
Hi Radfield,
Based on your behavior in the thread, I feel like you are town aligned. I therefore want to bounce a few ideas off of you.
Tomorrow, we get to lynch again. Right now, my list of scum targets is something like Node, SouthRawrea, Pandain, DarthThienAn. What do you think? Personally, I think we have the strongest case on either Node or DTA, i'd like to pressure one of those two. If you agree, it would probably be useful to focus town that direction.
Also, I've been talking to Dr.H. Everything he has done in thread has seemed very pro-town, except for the focus on town circle which honestly can go very good or very bad for town. Do you think it's plausible that he could be godfather? In the scenario I'm imagining, both Dr.H and the 'medic' who claimed to him (if there is one) are mafia. Dr.H now has an excuse to be the center of attention and the center of the town circle (because of the medic claim). He also has an excuse for not dying (similar to GF claiming vet, but instead of bulletproof he has a medic).
All of my behavioral analysis says Dr.H is town, but the scenario I'm imagining is keeping me from trusting him 100%. I also wish he wasn't so focussed on town circle/confirming townies/PM's/roleclaiming. Do you have any thoughts?
I thought you were blue for sure. Major blue sniping fail by me on day one
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Radfield
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On December 08 2010 11:44 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:19 Radfield wrote:On December 08 2010 10:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On December 08 2010 10:03 CubEdIn wrote:
Well at least I was right about our "confirmed green".
And I also knew Radfield was red, when he started panicking at the end.
But yeah, I would've guessed Node/Glasse to be #3.
GG. I actually think that was used to make sure you guys would follow with the plan. Imagine if there was no resistance, especially from a pretty much known mafia player. You guys might realize that you didn't have one of the bombs on a red and were thus losing the game. So him fighting against the lynch made more sense and confirmed your guys suspicion. At least that is what I assumed radfield was doing, since lynching jcarl won them the game. you guys should of just lynched Radfield or another mafia suspect. A more conservative route was definitely better in this situation the inner circle was completely compromised and the mafia knew everything that was happening since day one. AKA they knew where all the bombs were. Lol, classy Cubedin... the ol "I KNEW you were mafia" after the fact Yes, the reason I fought so hard at the end was to link myself and Eiii irrevocably. If people all of a sudden decided to lynch me at the end, then it would be obvious that Eiii was also mafia, since I would never fight hard against the Mad Hatter lynch unless we were both mafia(since if Eiii was town then I win). + Show Spoiler +At the very end I was pushing Eiii just for the fun of it And yes, I knew the other bomb was on KtheZ, since South told us that. GG everyone Oh come on don't be mean to me. The whole town was pretty much sure you were Mafia, and that's all I stated. It just got more obvious when you were causing a fuss, but as you said, it didn't matter anyway. And I know that ym didn't die just because of that, but I've seen this happen a lot of times: Town bases self on one idea -> something bad happens, people forget about the idea -> time is wasted and game is lost, when following the idea would've been good. I'm just saying, if we committed to something, we should follow through. Just like it was with the Pandain Lynch in Insane. And I never claimed that I'm a good player, but I did comment about our "confirmed green", and I always voted for killing you when you were in the spotlight. So you can't say I'm being whiny. I would've never guessed who ELSE was mafia anyway.
Apologies, I didn't mean to come off as being mean. I just meant to be cheeky
Fact is, you probably were pretty sure I was mafia, and you were right
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