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~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
November 13 2010 18:13 GMT
#241
On November 14 2010 03:08 ghrur wrote:
Also Caller what happens if:
A attacks B
B attacks C
and C defends?
Would B be eliminated and A takes over B?

Yes. Unles B has and is using gunpowder I believe.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
November 13 2010 18:23 GMT
#242
On November 14 2010 02:59 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2010 05:09 seRapH wrote:
So now we have two plans that cannot coincide with each other. If we follow mine, then everything will be in the open and we can lynch the liars. If mafia all claim someone else's country then we can lynch one of the pair and attack the other, leaving us with one of each down. The only reason you might not want a non-aggression policy is if either A) you're mafia/communist or B) you're greedy and want a neighboring neutral nation. Thing is, if no one's allowed to take the neutrals, and no one's allowed to take other provinces at all, then there's little reason for you to take a neutral. I don't know the number of mafia in this game, so if there are more than I expect then this plan will backfire quite badly, but if its around 6 like I'm expecting and all town follows the plan I don't see much going wrong.

If we follow LSB's plan, well he's going to have to back it up because I don't like the risks it takes. What happens if you have 1 or more mafia in the SFIZ? What happens if you're mafia? What happens to the rest of us, should we all make alliances?

if we follow yours mafia can probably night kill and attack us all seperately, possibly increasing KP. In retrospect, this seems like a bad idea. Because they can probably double team.

Yes they can stack attacks and take maybe three of us down but then we instantly know who's mafia. Then we can pretty much quadruple team them
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
November 13 2010 18:25 GMT
#243
Also WHY WOULD SOMEONE (*coughACEcough*) advocate anarchy and chaos? Perhaps they're communist? or even MAFIA?!

Or maybe they're bored as shit and is just asking to die. Who knows.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 13 2010 18:44 GMT
#244
On November 14 2010 03:25 seRapH wrote:
Also WHY WOULD SOMEONE (*coughACEcough*) advocate anarchy and chaos? Perhaps they're communist? or even MAFIA?!

Or maybe they're bored as shit and is just asking to die. Who knows.


Or he wants to play this game as a Risk-esque type game and not just sit around, which is what I want. I don't want to just put my trust in everyone and hope I don't get attacked. I don't want to hurt any townies in the process, but I won't let the mafia just expand and gain power.
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
November 13 2010 18:52 GMT
#245
On November 14 2010 03:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2010 03:25 seRapH wrote:
Also WHY WOULD SOMEONE (*coughACEcough*) advocate anarchy and chaos? Perhaps they're communist? or even MAFIA?!

Or maybe they're bored as shit and is just asking to die. Who knows.


Or he wants to play this game as a Risk-esque type game and not just sit around, which is what I want. I don't want to just put my trust in everyone and hope I don't get attacked. I don't want to hurt any townies in the process, but I won't let the mafia just expand and gain power.

You know I think since obviously we can't possibly agree on a general policy because nobody wants to win that badly, I'll just make it my personal policy to attack the aggressors. If I happen to die Night 1 so be it.

If you can figure out which nation I am Night 2 based on that, good for you.
boomer hands
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
November 13 2010 19:05 GMT
#246
So are we advocating merc sessions of chaos now? Arghh...I'm kind of scared. Lol. Anyway...

I don't like Ace advocating Chaos, and he has my FoS. I was going to instantly vote him when I saw that. And Caller, I know you enjoy the chaos of us being confused (yes, I do too), but can you please clarify when the game begins/began, and when the day ends? Or if they games really began. Seeing as we don't have a completely updated map yet I'm not sure.

Hurry up lazy bones, PM your damn country names to Caller.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
November 13 2010 19:08 GMT
#247
On November 14 2010 03:23 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2010 02:59 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On November 13 2010 05:09 seRapH wrote:
So now we have two plans that cannot coincide with each other. If we follow mine, then everything will be in the open and we can lynch the liars. If mafia all claim someone else's country then we can lynch one of the pair and attack the other, leaving us with one of each down. The only reason you might not want a non-aggression policy is if either A) you're mafia/communist or B) you're greedy and want a neighboring neutral nation. Thing is, if no one's allowed to take the neutrals, and no one's allowed to take other provinces at all, then there's little reason for you to take a neutral. I don't know the number of mafia in this game, so if there are more than I expect then this plan will backfire quite badly, but if its around 6 like I'm expecting and all town follows the plan I don't see much going wrong.

If we follow LSB's plan, well he's going to have to back it up because I don't like the risks it takes. What happens if you have 1 or more mafia in the SFIZ? What happens if you're mafia? What happens to the rest of us, should we all make alliances?

if we follow yours mafia can probably night kill and attack us all seperately, possibly increasing KP. In retrospect, this seems like a bad idea. Because they can probably double team.

Yes they can stack attacks and take maybe three of us down but then we instantly know who's mafia. Then we can pretty much quadruple team them

Touche, good sir.

I'm kind of liking this idea, even though I feel it would ruin the point of the game. Check how Ace acted in RAM2, vs now.

Ace being down for chaos is crazy.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
November 13 2010 19:10 GMT
#248
+ Show Spoiler [map] +
[image loading]

So I urge everyone to think long and hard what their night actions will be. You can follow my plan, but there is very little guarantee that you'll survive the night because greedy neighbors (of both town and mafia, or perhaps only mafia) will be looking to gain land.

Town will obviously want as few borders as possible, so they have a higher chance of survival.

Mafia, on the other hand, may benefit from more borders, as this allows them to stack hits on more targets. At the same time they may opt for fewer borders to stay alive as well.

Now, looking at the example map, let's say we're province 1 and we're town. Assuming we have no special powers, we appear to be relatively safe, yes? After all we have only 3 borders.

What should our night action be? Well we could just defend and see how Night 1 plays out and go from there. Or we could attack province 2 and gain an additional province while minimizing borders.

...That's the wrong way of thinking. That's looking only at yourself and not at the big picture. What is province 2 thinking? They're in the exact same position as you.

ASSUMING NEIGHBORS ARE ALL TOWN

Province 4 will want to attack 8, because that's an additional province with no additional borders. But to avoid conflict with 9, 4 might just attack 1 instead, since it mantains the amount of borders.

Province 3 has FIVE borders. It is definitely looking to take 1 or 2 because it won't gain any additional borders.

Province 5 is in the same position as 4, except below it is 12, which is not a good choice for a townie to attack (unless we already confirmed all townies). 5 is very likely to attack 2.

Sure looking at the first 5 provinces we might assume that 1 and 2 are the safest, but in reality their safety makes them very dangerous to hold.
boomer hands
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
November 13 2010 19:14 GMT
#249
Sorry for being late for party. Kinda busy today :/

I think we should attack and grab some of the unoccupied lands first, if possible. Well, this isn't BW and we are not Flash so Turtling (lol, sorry kinda amuse with this role from the Insane game ) would not make any progress here. At least, if possible, people should try to expand first without attacking someone else.

For voting, I will reserve it for later. I think we still have some time before the vote count, don't we?
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 13 2010 19:56 GMT
#250
Pandain was used to these kinds of things. Barbarians overthrowing the peace and order he had tried to instill. They came, from time to time, never taking more than a few villages, and then the Force of The Mighty Panda came in and always took care of them.

But this..., Pandain murmered to himself. This was different. Ever since those 5 men came there had been chaos. Utter turmoil. Kingdoms allied with other kingdoms with the threat of traitors within our midst. People spoke of constant agression as the way, claiming only the strong will survive.

But Pandain, Pandain thought to himself. What if everyone would defend? Except for neutral countries of course, as those are made up of the swiss, and who cares about them? Then, if any country DID get taken over, we would immediately know the general vicinity of the mafia.

Peace was the way, that was what he was always taught. So Pandain went out, urging everyone to follow the Way of the Panada.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
November 13 2010 20:09 GMT
#251
On November 14 2010 04:56 Pandain wrote:
Pandain was used to these kinds of things. Barbarians overthrowing the peace and order he had tried to instill. They came, from time to time, never taking more than a few villages, and then the Force of The Mighty Panda came in and always took care of them.

But this..., Pandain murmered to himself. This was different. Ever since those 5 men came there had been chaos. Utter turmoil. Kingdoms allied with other kingdoms with the threat of traitors within our midst. People spoke of constant agression as the way, claiming only the strong will survive.

But Pandain, Pandain thought to himself. What if everyone would defend? Except for neutral countries of course, as those are made up of the swiss, and who cares about them? Then, if any country DID get taken over, we would immediately know the general vicinity of the mafia.

Peace was the way, that was what he was always taught. So Pandain went out, urging everyone to follow the Way of the Panada.

so you're with me?
boomer hands
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 13 2010 20:46 GMT
#252
On November 14 2010 05:09 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2010 04:56 Pandain wrote:
Pandain was used to these kinds of things. Barbarians overthrowing the peace and order he had tried to instill. They came, from time to time, never taking more than a few villages, and then the Force of The Mighty Panda came in and always took care of them.

But this..., Pandain murmered to himself. This was different. Ever since those 5 men came there had been chaos. Utter turmoil. Kingdoms allied with other kingdoms with the threat of traitors within our midst. People spoke of constant agression as the way, claiming only the strong will survive.

But Pandain, Pandain thought to himself. What if everyone would defend? Except for neutral countries of course, as those are made up of the swiss, and who cares about them? Then, if any country DID get taken over, we would immediately know the general vicinity of the mafia.

Peace was the way, that was what he was always taught. So Pandain went out, urging everyone to follow the Way of the Panada.

so you're with me?


If thou plan is for everyone to reign in their pandas and defend unless theres a neutral country than aye, my friend.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 13 2010 21:20 GMT
#253
Also Pandain wished for people to unvote his Panda Bear friend Ace, because right now he was going to be lynched and Pandain thought that would be very very unwise considering the potential of Ace.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
November 13 2010 21:21 GMT
#254
What is this shit.

I'm a fan of the "lets not kill each other off day 1" plan.
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 13 2010 21:23 GMT
#255
On November 14 2010 06:21 BrownBear wrote:
What is this shit.

I'm a fan of the "lets not kill each other off day 1" plan.



Grats on reaver. We're voting people so people start to talk. Sadly, this is like the only way to make people talk. Vote inactives, pressure them. If they talk, than don't.

Why?

-Encourages people to talk
-Can still make sure we don't just vote on those who will be modkilled
-If we don't, than day 2 will come and we'll have like no information to analyze
-CAN provide clues into alignment
.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
November 13 2010 21:42 GMT
#256
Why the hell are we voting Ace this early? This is fucking stupid.
SUNSFANNED
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 13 2010 22:16 GMT
#257
im updating the final countrys in about 3-4 hours
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 13 2010 22:22 GMT
#258
Oh would you look at the time, day ended and nobody has a majority.

Night

[image loading]

As the first session of Lords drew to a close, various persons went to their respective provinces, contemplating on how to handle the bombshell that was dropped. People were seeking to unite Liquidia? Preposterous! They would steal their own hard-worked for/hard-inherited land!

They need to contemplate how to go about stopping this blasphemy. Some would seek to gather together. Others would choose to become unattractive targets, so as to be spared from the onslaught. Yet even more would seek to protect themselves by becoming as strong as possible.

One thing was for sure. In this jidai period of chaos, nobody would know what would happen, or even if the rules and order themselves would break down. The only thing that was left was a fight for survival.
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 13 2010 22:26 GMT
#259
I can't see the second map you updated (shows up as 'image' for some reason). Also cannot really understand the point of war advocates at all, since if everyone notices and agrees that randomly attacking someone is bad most of their concerns will be alleviated. It's like Kingmaker mafia all over agan -_-

I just want to point out if we are going to go with non-aggressive pact method it should be our priority to take care of the missionary over all.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-13 22:27:29
November 13 2010 22:27 GMT
#260
FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU, IT'S NIGHT ALREADY? IT'S 4:30 PM HERE YO!
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