On November 14 2010 09:54 annul wrote:
so your logic is

dont attack because ... "if you attack, you may get more votes, and if you get more votes, its bad for town (?????????)"

If you attack, you may eliminate other people. If you eliminate other people, there are less people in the game. If there are less people in the game, Mafia has to convince less people to vote toward a townie to get them lynched. If Mafia has to convince less people, it's easier to start a bandwagon. Both of the last 2 if->then statements are bad for town.

annul

United States2841 Posts

November 14 2010 02:52 GMT

#283

only if you assume that the town will be making bad decisions and/or following mafia bandwagons.

also, you could attack and take out mafia too, right?

i think you assume attacking will always take out town when it can also take out mafia.

if town attacks town, town does not lose any votes, it is only concentrated in a smaller number of PLAYERS. this is not inherently bad.

kingjames01

Canada1603 Posts

November 14 2010 02:53 GMT

#284

I just got confirmation that Coagulation has the names of all of the provinces. We need to pressure him to update the map.

Hurry Coagulation!! =)

jcarlsoniv

United States27922 Posts

November 14 2010 02:59 GMT

#285

=O Go go go you stingy bastard!

Wait too long and I'll assume you're hiding things from us! =P

ghrur

United States3786 Posts

November 14 2010 03:06 GMT

#286

On November 14 2010 11:52 annul wrote:
only if you assume that the town will be making bad decisions and/or following mafia bandwagons.

also, you could attack and take out mafia too, right?

i think you assume attacking will always take out town when it can also take out mafia.

if town attacks town, town does not lose any votes, it is only concentrated in a smaller number of PLAYERS. this is not inherently bad.

From my experience here at TL Mafia, town usually DOES make bad decisions and they DO follow the mafia bandwagon. But that's not even the problem. The problem is that if you start eliminating fellow townies and gaining more votes, each individual person has more weight. It becomes kind of like a lylo situation where if Mafia convinces one person, town loses. I mean, I doubt it'll get that extreme, but it heads towards that anyway.

And attacking and taking out mafia has a lower probability of happening than attacking and taking out town. I'd rather we secure the neutral territories, CLAIM if you're the nation that secured a neutral territory, and then defend to see where mafia gets aggressive. This way, we can scrutinize the players with more influence and we can try and we can narrow down who is mafia. Of course, the problem as always is mafia fake claiming as a nation that took a neutral territory, but then they'll just be watched more closely. If they took one over and didn't claim, we, as town, can then be aggressive toward that nation. If they took one over and claim, once again, heavy scrutiny falls upon them.

Also, votes concentrated in smaller numbers is usually bad. That's why lylo situations aren't good, because you depend on one person. Furthermore, we have no way of telling which side the votes are being concentrated in.

Edit:
FoS on Brownbear. No explanation of why he voted Veldril... at all.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

November 14 2010 03:13 GMT

#287

can you post the most up to date version of the map in the OP? I want to know where to send my soldiers tonight. Thanks.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

November 14 2010 03:17 GMT

#288

Also, is PMing allowed? Editing also?

LSB

United States5171 Posts

November 14 2010 03:21 GMT

#289

On November 14 2010 12:17 Ace wrote:
Also, is PMing allowed? Editing also?

This better be true (PMing). Or else I just cheated with everyone in the game.

Lexpar

1813 Posts

November 14 2010 03:29 GMT

#290

Yeap I'm a dirty cheater if pming isn't allowed :X

jcarlsoniv

United States27922 Posts

November 14 2010 03:32 GMT

#291

Hah as am I =(

I feel like most people at this point have PMd, so the game is screwed if it's not allowed.

Hesmyrr

Canada5776 Posts

November 14 2010 03:35 GMT

#292

Considering risk-quese nature of this setup I would be surprised if PM was forbidden though. And if it's not, we can just re-roll everything.

LSB

United States5171 Posts

November 14 2010 03:42 GMT

#293

On November 14 2010 09:22 Chezinu wrote:
Can everyone pm me their roles and/or province? I would really like that since I'm a good guy. Note: If we take over all of the neutral land then the communist will become vulnerable.

What if scenario: What if the mafia has Missionary as special role?

1. Communist is anti-town
2. If mafia has a Missionary it would be wayyyy OP