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Maybe we should all deal with what we can control right now as youngminii pointed out here:
On November 01 2010 10:28 youngminii wrote:
Okay I don't care what's going on right now since it doesn't seem to be anything of great substance.
Why is no one pointing their finger at Aeres? Did you not read the night post? A bodyguard died (Annul). Now according to LSB/Artanis, there's only one bodyguard. Maybe he's lying but if he is, we're still operating under the assumption that DCL softclaimed bodyguard.
So that makes 3 in total. Aeres's claim never made sense to me anyway, and the scumtells that he dropped (oh hey I'm assuming there's two bodyguards because of DCL's softclaim.. But what if DCL isn't a bodyguard? Who's the other one?). It almost looked as if Aeres was trying to gain our trust, make us lose trust in DCL and weed out any other bodyguards that may have tried to claim.
3 people claimed bodyguard. However DC says he never claimed at all. Regardless that prompted a roleclaim from Aeres to reveal his ability. Night 1 the actual bodyguard dies.
If we take DC at his word in that he never claimed then Aeres lied. Conveniently DC comes back to point this out after Night is over. But - I still don't think Aeres can sail away on a magical boat and be a bodyguard. If he leaves town then how would the Mayor be protected?
So I'm voting for Aeres because I don't think his story adds up. No way he can be a bodyguard when the only 1 also just died. Likewise, even if DC did fake claim Aeres should have pushed harder for his lynch KNOWING that DC lied. If he didn't believe DC's fake claim was an actual claim then he would have had no reason to out himself if he was an actual bodyguard.
From 3 angles he stinks. His story and his actions are bullshit.
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Coag didn't catch me lying. I was somehow prevented from taking my confirmation action, it's as simple as that.
But how do we know that? The fact is you claimed to have a 100% way of confirming yourself as town, and now that is cast aside. That is why you were elected mayor.
This isn't an easy back out at all. I'm not claiming I was roleblocked. Jcarls could be lying, he could have been bussed, or I could have an insane role that cannot poke at all. If I were to be faking roleblocks the entire time that would require me to have made up my role, a scenario which my posting history shows to be highly unlikely.
Oh yes, because definitely Jcarls would be lying about this. Or the fact that mafia just somehow knew jcarl would be picked, and again don't defend yourself by claiming you don't know the role. As for faking the role, I highly believe you are a godfather. Obviously, if it exists, it would be used on the mayor canidate.
I'm not saying they are lying about my role or anything like that. I'm accepting the possibility that my role could be an insane. A possibility originally brought up by OTHER players and a possibility which no player in this game should ignore in regards to anyones role or their own role.
So they just gave you a townie role? that is the basis of your role, they wouldn't lie about that. Again, what's happening here is now your claming your role is different, which while somewhat plausible in this set up, definitely suscipcious and too easy an excuse.
As I said earlier, I anticipated the fact that I could be roleblocked and didn't bring it up because soaking up all the roleblocks would be advantageous to the town.
Having an unconfirmed mayor is advantageous to the town? Especially when that mayor promised he would be 100% confirmed, and that is why he became mayor?
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On November 01 2010 10:54 DCLXVI wrote:
I can't catch up on the thread quite yet, but as I am reading through it (60-65) people seem to think that I claimed bodyguard. Who first said that I did, and did he even read my posts? Someone (i need to reread it) said that I claimed, and then everyone just took it to be true. Please reread my posts before continuing with that line of discussion. Take a look at the lazy vigilante role, my addition to artanis's ruling was that the bodyguards do more than protect the mayor at night. therefore I have information about how the mayor can/can't be killed (especially at lynching time). Heavy FOS on the first people to say I claimed bodyguard - that was outright distorting my posts. Ill be back in a few hours at the most to respond to the next 15 pages...
It would have been a lot more helpful if you didn't make such a cryptic claim and were actually there to correct people's interpretation, rather than commenting 30 pages later.
Also, this thread is getting an awful lot of spam on DrH's non-ability to confirm his blueness. If the mafia did indeed place a roleblock on him, which is certainly a possibility, then we are only falling for what they had intended. I'm not saying to automatically assume DrH is blue, but he only has one additional vote and can still attempt to verify his role in the next few nights, so it might be better worth our efforts to analyze others so we can find a valid lynch target.
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On November 01 2010 10:06 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:41 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 09:35 Ace wrote:On November 01 2010 09:31 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 09:27 Lexpar wrote:
I think that because I'm alive. I am therefore I think?
We can trust DocH. We should work with him. Any reason for this? DH, do you know the role of Lexpar? I think Lexpar might have something that can detect if the Mayor is scum? I don't think thats right, since how can he detect it if he is dead? And whats preventing mafia from killing Lexpar Night 2 which would trigger the catalyst of detection? Lexpar said if he dies Dr.H is scum. So I'm guessing he has something that lets him know if he survives the Mayor is legit. I'm not worried about what the Mafia might do because honestly all this WIFOM bullshit is stalling the scumhunt. Let's just keep everything simple shall we? Early Day 1 bumatlarge and Pandain are the main two Mayor candidates. Later on Fishball throws his hat in the ring and gets some votes. Dr.H who first supported Fishball, eventually also runs for Mayor garnering enough votes to win While all of this was going on Fishball, bumatlarge and Dr.H revealed information about their roles. We don't know what the Mafia knows about the game, but from my POV Dr.H saying he could confirm himself is probably a hindrance to the Scum more than Fishball's circle, especially since Fishball hasn't claimed an investigative ability. Night 1 - Dr. H attempts an action and he isn't sure if it worked or not. Now before this action happens ask yourself how strongly you believed in Dr.H being pro-town. If you believed so then there's a damn good chance he indeed was roleblocked. No need to keep wondering about what if's or who's playing a trick on you. A confirmed townie is dangerous and if Dr.H is telling the truth then Scum would indeed want to roleblock him.
I think it's important to note how much shit Dr. H is getting. If I know Dr. H, hes familiar with mafia. Often times in games when you are roleblocked, you receive a PM informing you of such. If Dr. H was lying, I'd imagine he'd say he got a PM saying so. So here is what we can deduce.
1. Dr. H is town, is poke was stopped by a silent RB.
2. Dr. H is mafia, and we can assume this silent RB exists.
3. There was some other interference involving the recipient, jcarl. Either he is lying, some other ability came into play from the interaction, or someone else was poked by another ability.
So if you were poked, it very important, and reletively safe, for you to claim you were.
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On November 01 2010 11:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case. that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0% re read the sentence I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed. On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position. Yes, it does seem that Dr.H deceived us, but honestly, do you think all of the Mayoral candidates were going to tell the whole truth? I'm not sure we should want to kill him until he legitimately has a chance to prove himself. He is offering a lot of good analyses. I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did?
I'm sorry, but are you using a chainsaw defense on the player you poked because you thought him most likely to be town? That doesn't add up.
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On November 01 2010 11:14 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +
Coag didn't catch me lying. I was somehow prevented from taking my confirmation action, it's as simple as that.
But how do we know that? The fact is you claimed to have a 100% way of confirming yourself as town, and now that is cast aside. That is why you were elected mayor. Show nested quote +This isn't an easy back out at all. I'm not claiming I was roleblocked. Jcarls could be lying, he could have been bussed, or I could have an insane role that cannot poke at all. If I were to be faking roleblocks the entire time that would require me to have made up my role, a scenario which my posting history shows to be highly unlikely. Oh yes, because definitely Jcarls would be lying about this. Or the fact that mafia just somehow knew jcarl would be picked, and again don't defend yourself by claiming you don't know the role. As for faking the role, I highly believe you are a godfather. Obviously, if it exists, it would be used on the mayor canidate. Show nested quote +I'm not saying they are lying about my role or anything like that. I'm accepting the possibility that my role could be an insane. A possibility originally brought up by OTHER players and a possibility which no player in this game should ignore in regards to anyones role or their own role.
So they just gave you a townie role? that is the basis of your role, they wouldn't lie about that. Again, what's happening here is now your claming your role is different, which while somewhat plausible in this set up, definitely suscipcious and too easy an excuse.Show nested quote +As I said earlier, I anticipated the fact that I could be roleblocked and didn't bring it up because soaking up all the roleblocks would be advantageous to the town.
Having an unconfirmed mayor is advantageous to the town? Especially when that mayor promised he would be 100% confirmed, and that is why he became mayor?
It's not cast aside. I have a 100% way of confirming myself. If the poke goes through, it confirms me to the player I poked. If it's blocked, then it's blocked. That doesn't mean the poke doesn't exist or doesn't work at all unless my role is insane.
Why the soft defense of Jcarls? He could very well be lying. I'm not accusing him of it and I think it's more likely I was roleblocked but it sounds like you don't even want to consider the possibility.
You believe I'm godfather? Did I then make up the role of sticky? Do you think my role exists or that I'm faking everything Pandain?
I'm not claiming my role is different. I'm claiming I could be. It's idiotic to call this an excuse, this applies to all of us. Your role could be something other than you think it is, some of the mechanics could be fake, there could be deception in it. Orgoloves role description on his death PROVED this was a possibility beyond a shadow of a doubt. Stop trying to make it look like I'm changing my role, I'm accounting for the fact that it could be insane.
No having an unconfirmed mayor isn't advantageous. Having a mayor soak up all the roleblocks for the town is advantageous. That's the point I'm making. Don't make it a different point.
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For future reference, chewbaca defense is much more effective than chainsaw defense
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On November 01 2010 11:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 11:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case. that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0% re read the sentence I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed. On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position. Yes, it does seem that Dr.H deceived us, but honestly, do you think all of the Mayoral candidates were going to tell the whole truth? I'm not sure we should want to kill him until he legitimately has a chance to prove himself. He is offering a lot of good analyses. I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did? EBWODP
There is obviously nothing stopping me from lying, but is there any evidence to show that I would lie?
I supported your campaign, and I have been pro-town the whole time. Why would I then want to through you under the bus?
I knew when I saw that it would come down to my confirmation that people would find it a possibility that I would be lying, but I'm not. I don't know if there is any evidence that would suggest I lied.
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On November 01 2010 11:15 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 11:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case. that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0% re read the sentence I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed. On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position. Yes, it does seem that Dr.H deceived us, but honestly, do you think all of the Mayoral candidates were going to tell the whole truth? I'm not sure we should want to kill him until he legitimately has a chance to prove himself. He is offering a lot of good analyses. I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did? I'm sorry, but are you using a chainsaw defense on the player you poked because you thought him most likely to be town? That doesn't add up.
I'm not accusing him, I'm saying he could be lying. Why are you defending him? You don't think this is a possiblity?
You all seem very comfortable with the idea of me being a liar when jcarls lie is much simpler and easier to make. But as soon as I bring up that possiblity I get slammed for it? Seriously?
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On November 01 2010 11:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 11:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 11:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case. that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0% re read the sentence I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed. On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position. Yes, it does seem that Dr.H deceived us, but honestly, do you think all of the Mayoral candidates were going to tell the whole truth? I'm not sure we should want to kill him until he legitimately has a chance to prove himself. He is offering a lot of good analyses. I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did? EBWODP There is obviously nothing stopping me from lying, but is there any evidence to show that I would lie? I supported your campaign, and I have been pro-town the whole time. Why would I then want to through you under the bus? I knew when I saw that it would come down to my confirmation that people would find it a possibility that I would be lying, but I'm not. I don't know if there is any evidence that would suggest I lied.
There is no evidence to suggest you lied. I agree your posts are pro-town. I think it is far more likely there is a silent RB, that you were bussed, that you were commuted, or that some other power that be stopped my night action.
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Glasse doesn't like to be ignored. Glasse feels sad. Glasse wants 10 people to quote him every time he posts.
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Uh oh, I think Glasse's role is that he wins if he gets a certain number of people to quote him 
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I still think he's village idiot
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On November 01 2010 11:23 Glasse wrote:
Glasse doesn't like to be ignored. Glasse feels sad. Glasse wants 10 people to quote him every time he posts.
This is how I feel all the time
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On November 01 2010 11:24 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:23 Glasse wrote:
Glasse doesn't like to be ignored. Glasse feels sad. Glasse wants 10 people to quote him every time he posts. This is how I feel all the time
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@bumatlarge: I think it's better to just say that whatever happened last night, it should strengthen your convictions on whether or not Dr.H is scum or innocent. There isn't enough information to convincingly say if his statements about last night are true. Furthermore we've got 2 people in a situation right now that need to be dealt with. We can deal with Dr.H later.
PEOPLE LOOK AT THE AERES AND DC SITUATION!
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On November 01 2010 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I still think he's village idiot
This hurts
Isnt the village idiot's job to try to get lynched while trying to make sure mafia doesn't get lynched?
I'm not trying to do either of those :S
I don't want to be lynched or killed. I like playing mafia :D
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It's not cast aside. I have a 100% way of confirming myself. If the poke goes through, it confirms me to the player I poked. If it's blocked, then it's blocked. That doesn't mean the poke doesn't exist or doesn't work at all unless my role is insane.
Ya, but then a roleblocker just happens to block you, and if you said(and keep saying) you have a 100% way of confirming yourself, why would you stick to that if you knew you were a *in your own words* "a prime canidate for a roleblocker", why would you campaign on that basis. It's just dilebrately misleading town. Basically, you ran through the campaign there was a chance you could never be confirmed. THAT IS WHY YOU GOT ELECTED! So why would you run if you knew you couldn't be confirmed!
Why the soft defense of Jcarls? He could very well be lying. I'm not accusing him of it and I think it's more likely I was roleblocked but it sounds like you don't even want to consider the possibility.
Alright, so now you take back what you said. I'm saying its highly unlikely, far fetched, and yes you did accuse him.
On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did?
You believe I'm godfather? Did I then make up the role of sticky? Do you think my role exists or that I'm faking everything Pandain?
For all I know you could be mafia and have the role. You might not have the role at all. I know you to be a very smart, cunning, and manipulative mafia, this is not beyond your reach. All I know is that your actions have been anti town
I'm not claiming my role is different. I'm claiming I could be. It's idiotic to call this an excuse, this applies to all of us. Your role could be something other than you think it is, some of the mechanics could be fake, there could be deception in it. Orgoloves role description on his death PROVED this was a possibility beyond a shadow of a doubt. Stop trying to make it look like I'm changing my role, I'm accounting for the fact that it could be insane.
See, this is the problem. Your defense is "what if...", "well maybe" and "it could". There has been no solid explanation of your actions thus far.
No having an unconfirmed mayor isn't advantageous. Having a mayor soak up all the roleblocks for the town is advantageous. That's the point I'm making. Don't make it a different point.
Alright, you soak up a possible roleblocker, which we can't even confirm exists because your unconfirmed.
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On November 01 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Maybe we should all deal with what we can control right now as youngminii pointed out here: Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 10:28 youngminii wrote:
Okay I don't care what's going on right now since it doesn't seem to be anything of great substance.
Why is no one pointing their finger at Aeres? Did you not read the night post? A bodyguard died (Annul). Now according to LSB/Artanis, there's only one bodyguard. Maybe he's lying but if he is, we're still operating under the assumption that DCL softclaimed bodyguard.
So that makes 3 in total. Aeres's claim never made sense to me anyway, and the scumtells that he dropped (oh hey I'm assuming there's two bodyguards because of DCL's softclaim.. But what if DCL isn't a bodyguard? Who's the other one?). It almost looked as if Aeres was trying to gain our trust, make us lose trust in DCL and weed out any other bodyguards that may have tried to claim. 3 people claimed bodyguard. However DC says he never claimed at all. Regardless that prompted a roleclaim from Aeres to reveal his ability. Night 1 the actual bodyguard dies. If we take DC at his word in that he never claimed then Aeres lied. Conveniently DC comes back to point this out after Night is over. But - I still don't think Aeres can sail away on a magical boat and be a bodyguard. If he leaves town then how would the Mayor be protected? So I'm voting for Aeres because I don't think his story adds up. No way he can be a bodyguard when the only 1 also just died. Likewise, even if DC did fake claim Aeres should have pushed harder for his lynch KNOWING that DC lied. If he didn't believe DC's fake claim was an actual claim then he would have had no reason to out himself if he was an actual bodyguard. From 3 angles he stinks. His story and his actions are bullshit.
Because Aeres thought that DC's claim was truthful and that the claim that there was only one bodyguard was a lie. This is a definite possibility, there could even be a role like an insane bodyguard that believes themselves to be the bodyguard but is not actually the bodyguard.
But this conclusion is based on speculation and distrust of the mod. What aeres did is pretty suspicious and he needs to defend himself soon. Although I believe he earlier said he was going to be inactive so we may have to wait a while for his defense.
nevertheless, my vote is on him for now.
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On November 01 2010 11:30 Pandain wrote:It's not cast aside. I have a 100% way of confirming myself. If the poke goes through, it confirms me to the player I poked. If it's blocked, then it's blocked. That doesn't mean the poke doesn't exist or doesn't work at all unless my role is insane.Ya, but then a roleblocker just happens to block you, and if you said(and keep saying) you have a 100% way of confirming yourself, why would you stick to that if you knew you were a *in your own words* "a prime canidate for a roleblocker", why would you campaign on that basis. It's just dilebrately misleading town. Basically, you ran through the campaign there was a chance you could never be confirmed. THAT IS WHY YOU GOT ELECTED! So why would you run if you knew you couldn't be confirmed!
Why the soft defense of Jcarls? He could very well be lying. I'm not accusing him of it and I think it's more likely I was roleblocked but it sounds like you don't even want to consider the possibility.Alright, so now you take back what you said. I'm saying its highly unlikely, far fetched, and yes you did accuse him. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did?
You believe I'm godfather? Did I then make up the role of sticky? Do you think my role exists or that I'm faking everything Pandain?For all I know you could be mafia and have the role. You might not have the role at all. I know you to be a very smart, cunning, and manipulative mafia, this is not beyond your reach. All I know is that your actions have been anti town
I'm not claiming my role is different. I'm claiming I could be. It's idiotic to call this an excuse, this applies to all of us. Your role could be something other than you think it is, some of the mechanics could be fake, there could be deception in it. Orgoloves role description on his death PROVED this was a possibility beyond a shadow of a doubt. Stop trying to make it look like I'm changing my role, I'm accounting for the fact that it could be insane.See, this is the problem. Your defense is "what if...", "well maybe" and "it could". There has been no solid explanation of your actions thus far. No having an unconfirmed mayor isn't advantageous. Having a mayor soak up all the roleblocks for the town is advantageous. That's the point I'm making. Don't make it a different point.Alright, you soak up a possible roleblocker, which we can't even confirm exists because your unconfirmed.
While I don't necessarily like being suspected, I don't feel like Dr.H was accusing me. He was bringing up a potential scenario, which is very legitimate. This is something I and many others were doing to him while he was campaigning. I appreciate the soft defense Pandain, but I don't think it's necessary to blow it out of proportion. It is reasonable for him to bring up scenarios that would discredit him.
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