Insane Mafia - Page 80

On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:

I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed.


I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position.

On November 01 2010 10:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


No. If my night action succeeds, it 100% confirms itself to the player that is poked. If I am roleblock my night action doesn't succeed. I'm talking about if it succeeds it's a for sure confirmation, roleblocking is irrelevant to what I'm saying infinitestory.

I'm a man of my word. If the town thinks I made up my role and that I am scum then obviously I'm the best choice for a lynch.

On October 29 2010 09:50 NB wrote:
im confused... so bodyguard(s) is a role? T_T


(a mafia should read this post and assume that im not a bodyguard and they wont kill me :3)

On October 30 2010 12:13 NB wrote:
so we have 3 main candidates: Panda, dish, doctor... Who of you will promise to protect me from scums? :3

On October 31 2010 10:23 NB wrote:
ok, lets discuss our night action, who will most likely being killed by mafia?

On November 01 2010 10:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


No. If my night action succeeds, it 100% confirms itself to the player that is poked. If I am roleblock my night action doesn't succeed. I'm talking about if it succeeds it's a for sure confirmation, roleblocking is irrelevant to what I'm saying infinitestory.

I'm a man of my word. If the town thinks I made up my role and that I am scum then obviously I'm the best choice for a lynch.

am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill.

An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote.

On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The following is still true:
-if my poke goes through, it confirms my identity to the player that receives it
the player that receives a poke can lie and say "they did not receive a poke"
-it is a night action, this was clear as soon as I claimed my role, and it is obvious that it is subject to things like commuter, bus driver, roleblocker, w/e
-I anticipated the fact that I would be a prime candidate for a roleblocker, soaking up roleblocks on my poke, freeing up other roles that are potentially much more powerful to act
-once the conversation began about my possible insanity and the possibility of any roles insanity (confirmed even further by orgoloves death) i think the idea of 100% confirmation pretty much fell through the cracks and it isn't something I held onto. It's possible that the whole poke is a lie, that it never goes through, and that the role is designed to make me think I can confirm myself to others when nothing actually happens
-I acknowledged throughout my campaign multiple scenarios in which my role could be compromised by different scenarios involving various amounts of insanity

On November 01 2010 10:54 DCLXVI wrote:
I can't catch up on the thread quite yet, but as I am reading through it (60-65) people seem to think that I claimed bodyguard. Who first said that I did, and did he even read my posts? Someone (i need to reread it) said that I claimed, and then everyone just took it to be true. Please reread my posts before continuing with that line of discussion. Take a look at the lazy vigilante role, my addition to artanis's ruling was that the bodyguards do more than protect the mayor at night. therefore I have information about how the mayor can/can't be killed (especially at lynching time). Heavy FOS on the first people to say I claimed bodyguard - that was outright distorting my posts. Ill be back in a few hours at the most to respond to the next 15 pages...

On November 01 2010 11:01 Pandain wrote:
In addition, now your casting serious doubt as to whether node is really what he says he is. But, why would he lie?

Assuming we act upon it, we send a medic to go protect him. If, as you say, they then have a secret suicide bomber(btw its not that great to say "well what if they have this role! Therefore, in this unlikely scenario this could occur, therefore he is a fake." At most we lose 1 medic, but then we catch a mafia, and have so much information from there.

On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:
Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role:

Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected.

This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.

On November 01 2010 11:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


I merely said it's an easy role to fake and could set up a lot of potential mafia plays. His claims shouldn't merely be accepted at face value. I never even put an FoS on him or anything.

On November 01 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:


Alright I believed you. I believed you for a while because you said "Don't worry, as soon as I'm elected I can confirm myself ASAP." But now I'm highly in doubt as to whether you are really town.
For starters, your not a man of your word, kindly pointed out by coag. What you're doing is actually quite smart from a mafia perspective.

Coag didn't catch me lying. I was somehow prevented from taking my confirmation action, it's as simple as that.



You make bold claims like this to get elected, and then can easily back out when you claim to be roleblocked. Since we don't know what roles there are, it's a perfect scam. We have no way of knowing if your telling the truth.

This isn't an easy back out at all. I'm not claiming I was roleblocked. Jcarls could be lying, he could have been bussed, or I could have an insane role that cannot poke at all. If I were to be faking roleblocks the entire time that would require me to have made up my role, a scenario which my posting history shows to be highly unlikely.

It's this post that really got me though.



So now you're saying the poke may not even exist. Basically, what your saying is "the mods are lying about my role". That's just like saying "OOPS! This is what my role REALLY does." very scummy in my eyes.

I'm not saying they are lying about my role or anything like that. I'm accepting the possibility that my role could be an insane. A possibility originally brought up by OTHER players and a possibility which no player in this game should ignore in regards to anyones role or their own role.

Finally, if you anticipated the fact you could be roleblocked, why did you constantly claim you could confirm yourself to be 100%.

As I said earlier, I anticipated the fact that I could be roleblocked and didn't bring it up because soaking up all the roleblocks would be advantageous to the town.

Things just don't add up.

On November 01 2010 11:08 Glasse wrote:
can i get a super duper post analysis on myself? i'm curious to know if im blue or red

On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:

I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed.


I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position.

On November 01 2010 11:07 Pandain wrote:


But then:
1.Why would he say whos gonig to get hit before the night ends, therefore leaving open the possibility of a failed hit
2.The fact at worst we'll lose a medic but catch a mafia and suicide bomber.

On November 01 2010 11:09 infinitestory wrote:

Well, judging from the srs color of your srs cat fur, you're white with brown stripes.

On November 01 2010 11:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did?

Yes, it does seem that Dr.H deceived us, but honestly, do you think all of the Mayoral candidates were going to tell the whole truth? I'm not sure we should want to kill him until he legitimately has a chance to prove himself. He is offering a lot of good analyses.

On November 01 2010 11:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did?