Insane Mafia - Page 32

On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.

DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)

Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.

Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1.

On October 30 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I need to backtrace and find out who invented the lie that I said anything about secret town circles, operating in pm's, or anything like that.

Not trying to FoS Pandain here but that sounds very mafia implanted to me.

On October 30 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

well none of those apply for me so why vote for pandain who offers nothing at all?

On October 30 2010 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

I can't PM people, your 3rd point is complete bullshit. Just thought I'd point out that the difference between me and fishball is that my coordination will take place out in the open of the thread with complete transparency in every way. I am not part of a circle.

Before you said you could maybe indirectly prove you're legit if you're elected. Now you can prove it 100% reliably? Which is it?

My whole campaign is about an open discussion and coordination. I'm not acting behind doors but at the same time I'm not vote on whatever the public tells me, mafia control bandwagons and going with the majority every time is poor mayor play.

Do you plan on doing the same? Do you have the balls to say the town is wrong on a lynch when it's your head on the chopping block?

On October 30 2010 10:38 ghrur wrote:


You can prove you're legit if you're elected?
How?

On October 30 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:




I'm guessing by other two prime candidates he means me and fishball in which case he is lying, because I never brought up secret societies except in relation to fishballs role. So his Second point here is incorrect.

Now this misinformation is being parroted by Pandain.

On October 30 2010 10:43 Coagulation wrote:


i think mayor can be dt checked.
dont quote me tho

On October 30 2010 10:43 Pandain wrote:


What you asked all masons to contact you, not only would that lead to some masons unable to pm other people, but does rely on secret circles. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but really it seems to me relying more on open debate is better, no? Only real purpose pms would be for is if finding out results from other blues.

Well, it doesn't neccesarily mean I'm innocent, but if I'm wrong(very likely chance I would be if a fake), then you guys can lynch me ASAP.

And yes, obviously I'm not just a mascot for the town, I'm a leader as well. When I have an opinion, I will back it up in debate. I will share my opinion, and if other people bring up good points I will back down if I feel they have a good defense.

On October 30 2010 10:44 Pandain wrote:


And its this kind of over reaction that we do not need from a mayor. Personally, if you've never played as town I don't know how good you will be if you are one. However, if you are mafia, then I know just how super amazingly funktastic you can be. So either way I don't like it.

On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


Okay there are a lot of things wrong with this role.

1. Fishballs circle is not one afaik that can convert.
2. Bumatlarge seems to have the power to give people the power to PM. it is possible he is in fishballs circle and this is his role related to the circle or that over the course of the game he can make a circle of his own.
3. My coordination of the town roles will be done in the open, as that is the best way for my role to do it as I can not reliably rely on becoming part of the town circle.

Are you saying that the person who is elected mayor should not be converted into the town circle if such a thing exists? PMs would be useful later in the game for establishing contact with blue roles like DT who may not feel comfortable roleclaiming in public and the ideal voice for them is the mayor, who is immune to night kills.

I do not feel comfortable with the idea of the mayor operating entirely in the circle, however I am comfortable with the idea of mayor becoming part of the circle early or later on in the game. Does that make sense? The only way I can reliably coordinate is in the open, which is best for the town. Conversely the town could also benefit from having me in the circle as well but this is far from "operating solely in secret" as you would like to imply.

On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


So it's an over reaction to point out that a player is saying something is false? OK

On October 30 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:


Its an overreaction if you haven't read it clearly enough to understand it.

On October 30 2010 10:50 Pandain wrote:


I think we're being antagnostic just because of the election. I can tell we actually have the same view. I do feel pms can be useful, especially once dt's start checking everyone, but I'm saying we should put an emphasis on debate in the forums rather than in a "divine secret council of pmers". Unless of course they have a dt. But I think we actually both agree on that.
I never implied you were operating soley in secret.
I never was talking about Fishball, was talking about masons.
I never said the person should not be turned into the town circle.

On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.

DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)

Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.

Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1.

On October 30 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:


Its an overreaction if you haven't read it clearly enough to understand it.

On October 30 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:


Heck, even the so called "bandwagon" is an overreaction. What, like 5 people voted for me? Including myself? There are 45 people in this game, and people can change their votes obviously that early in the game. Again, be wary and form your own opinions. That is the basis of a good town.

On October 30 2010 10:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


I agree. I know you never said the person should not be turned into the circle, that's why I asked you the question, Pandain. Because I wanted to know your stance. Why so defensive there?


You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument.




What I highlighted is the bullshit part where you are implying I will do exactly that. Do you retract that statement? It seems pretty obvious what it is implying. Or did you somehow mean the opposite of what you said?

On October 30 2010 10:50 Pandain wrote:
but I'm saying we should put an emphasis on debate in the forums rather than in a "divine secret council of pmers".

On October 30 2010 11:01 Pandain wrote:


Again, you are pulling a rabbit out of a hat when there simply was no rabbit to begin with. I never said you were SOLEY operating in secret, I was under the impression you would rely upon masons and pms with them. Obviously I have stated we are apparently under the same stance.

Besides that, and even still we disagree a little, I do not retract my statement. Do you?

And what question? I'll happily answer any question.

On October 30 2010 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
shit i forgot to add this part to my above post



You could correct me instead of saying something so vague. He is saying he is voting for you instead of the other two prime candidates which I take to refer to myself and fishball. If that is indeed the case, my point still stands.

On October 30 2010 11:06 Fishball wrote:


I know it's not directed at me, but I'm just quoting your post since you're the latest one to say something similar.

Seems like a lot of people are getting this impression of the circle, which I've explained quite a few times, that's not exactly what I will make it to be. With DT checks viable to the Mayor, I even offered to kill myself and release as much information to the public to prove it. (Seeing that many other information have sunk into the vast ocean of posts, this is not surprising)

It's also quite amusing, most of the people that argue against the "crazy secrecy of the circle", or just me in general "not being transparent" etc., never brings up these posts I've said.

Keep in mind I was the first one to come up with such a claim.
Fake or not, that's not the point and is for another debate, but I AM being transparent here.

On October 30 2010 11:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


You did not say I was solely operating in secret. But I still don't like the fact that you tried to lump me in with Fishball in the "secret society non transperancy" boat when I never said/did anything to put myself in that boat in the first place. I've said several times throughout the thread that I would do my coordination in the open, maybe you skimmed over what I said? If you don't even know my platform, don't call me out on non existent problems with it please.

So, no I don't retract my statement.

The question I asked you was "do you think it is a bad idea for mayor to be converted into the circle" you then answered it by playing it off as though I had accused you of saying it was a bad idea, when I did no such thing.

So even though there is no basis for the idea that I will operate in secret and be non-transparent, you refuse to retract the statement that I will operate in secret and be non-transparent. Interesting pandain, very interesting.

Besides that, and even still we disagree a little, I do not retract my statement.