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On October 30 2010 09:59 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:51 Infundibulum wrote:On October 30 2010 09:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.
Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.
Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment. I can prove my role is what I say it is without having to be rolechecked and if anyone tries to fake a rolecheck on me they'll be incriminated when I prove them otherwise. read my last sentence role != alignment not even "standard roles" are 100%, due to the possibility of things like mafia medics or mafia detectives. I've asked Artanis about this, and rolechecks return role name and alignment only. Does not include the details of the role pm, but critically does include alignment. If possible, I hope he can confirm this in thread.
This is confirmed.
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On October 30 2010 09:55 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:41 Fishball wrote:
As for people bringing up the idea of having the circle come forward, I've put some thought into it.
If the circle remains hidden to the public, the Mafia can try to remain within and get as much intel as possible, while we'll be trying to do the same thing as well. If the circle comes public, the Mafia might as well off these members one by one. Keep in mind, there is a chance that there are no Mafia members in the circle (though very not likely), but regardless of this possibility, Mafia can plant confusion among the remaining members, and mislead the town.
Also, if the circle comes forward and god forbids, gets eliminated, it would defeat the entire purpose.
I'm not exactly against this idea, but I just want everyone else to think it through a bit more and provide more input, possibility a better alternative. At the end, this would not be my decision, but the other players'.
PS. A correction I have to make. I said I've came in contact with 4 other players earlier, this was a mistake. I've only came in contact with 3. The remaining 2 have not contacted me. This does not mean they haven't contacted each other, which I would not know. As far as I see it if Mafia start killing off town aligned members of the circle, they incriminate themselves really in the end. This puts a lot of pressure on mafia as to how they choose their kills and they have to very carefully consider their activity within the circle. Let's assume one of the likely scenarios. There are 6 of us, 1 of them is red. Mafia starts killing a couple, 4 remaining, 1 of them is red. At this point, it cannot be helped that town will divert some of it's attention here and try to hunt for that 1 red. If down decides to lynch one of the most "suspicious" one and get lucky enough, they'll lynch the red, but if not, Mafia just got a free kill and the situation drags on. At the very end Mafia will only 1 member, but eliminates the circle entirely as well as any coordination within, as well as causing chaos, confusion, and waste town lynches if used. If town does not use their lynches at all, the Mafia call still eliminate the circle at a different pace.
Incoming WIFOM;
Mafia may also want to keep the circle alive for the purposes of manipulation. a shrinking circle is harder to manipulate in a lot of ways (easier in some). The bigger they can get their false bandwagons the better.
What they would do is hard to say.
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On October 30 2010 09:59 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:51 Infundibulum wrote:On October 30 2010 09:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.
Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.
Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment. I can prove my role is what I say it is without having to be rolechecked and if anyone tries to fake a rolecheck on me they'll be incriminated when I prove them otherwise. read my last sentence role != alignment not even "standard roles" are 100%, due to the possibility of things like mafia medics or mafia detectives. I've asked Artanis about this, and rolechecks return role name and alignment only. Does not include the details of the role pm, but critically does include alignment. If possible, I hope he can confirm this in thread.
Ohshit.
Very good, thanks for asking. I hadn't even considered that it would return alignment as well. DTs are a lot more powerful in this than I anticipated
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On October 30 2010 09:47 Lexpar wrote:
I'm voting for Bumatlarge. Honestly I'm not very impressed by how any of the other candidates have been conducting themselves.
Bum has been honest, helpful, and has some experience behind him. I know he hasn't posted in like 30 minutes (ie. 45 pages omfg), but we shouldn't forget about his candidacy and bandwagon onto Doc.H, and certainly not Pandain.
Again, Bum has my vote.
You can vote for anybody for all I care,
But
On October 30 2010 09:47 Lexpar wrote:
Bum has been honest, helpful, and has some experience behind him.
Experience I don't deny, but seriously? At least quote something you think that is "honest" and "helpful". How do you know the other candidates are not "honest? are not "helpful"?
Some of these posts from certain players, regarding why or why not they vote for certain players are just mind boggling. infinitestory caught another one below.
On October 30 2010 09:28 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote:
so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h
Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent"
Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy
Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever.
for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end! Your logic for electing Pandain is pretty flimsy. We want a mayor who: 1) Is a good analyzer and an experienced town player 2) Can be scrutinized or somehow confirmed as a townie. 3) Has a role that requires protection Now, ideally we get a mayor who is strongly all three (and ends up being townie under scrutiny). DrH, according to his posts, satisfies 2 and 3, especially 2, and I feel like he can carry out 1 as well. Fishball claims to satisfy 3, but his circle hasn't materialized, which makes me suspect him. Last in my book is Pandain, who claims SOFTLY to satisfy all 3. Emphasis on softly, because he only said he had a "valuable blue role" and could give "indirect confirmation." No real plan for action, unlike the other two candidates, as far as I saw. On top of that, you claim that DrH's bandwagon is suspect, but Pandain had an even larger bandwagon before DrH... why does that not trigger your red flag? It feels almost like you're fabricating reasons to put Pandain first and everyone else last. Odd, to say the least. I want to hear a bit more explanation on these points, NB.
When reading through the past 10-20 pages, there are quite a few posts like these out there. I suggest any decent minded town aligned players to pay attention to these people.
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On October 30 2010 10:06 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:47 Lexpar wrote:
I'm voting for Bumatlarge. Honestly I'm not very impressed by how any of the other candidates have been conducting themselves.
Bum has been honest, helpful, and has some experience behind him. I know he hasn't posted in like 30 minutes (ie. 45 pages omfg), but we shouldn't forget about his candidacy and bandwagon onto Doc.H, and certainly not Pandain.
Again, Bum has my vote. You can vote for anybody for all I care, But Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:47 Lexpar wrote:
Bum has been honest, helpful, and has some experience behind him.
Experience I don't deny, but seriously? At least quote something you think that is "honest" and "helpful". How do you know the other candidates are not "honest? are not "helpful"? Some of these posts from certain players, regarding why or why not they vote for certain players are just mind boggling. infinitestory caught another one below. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:28 infinitestory wrote:On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote:
so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h
Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent"
Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy
Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever.
for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end! Your logic for electing Pandain is pretty flimsy. We want a mayor who: 1) Is a good analyzer and an experienced town player 2) Can be scrutinized or somehow confirmed as a townie. 3) Has a role that requires protection Now, ideally we get a mayor who is strongly all three (and ends up being townie under scrutiny). DrH, according to his posts, satisfies 2 and 3, especially 2, and I feel like he can carry out 1 as well. Fishball claims to satisfy 3, but his circle hasn't materialized, which makes me suspect him. Last in my book is Pandain, who claims SOFTLY to satisfy all 3. Emphasis on softly, because he only said he had a "valuable blue role" and could give "indirect confirmation." No real plan for action, unlike the other two candidates, as far as I saw. On top of that, you claim that DrH's bandwagon is suspect, but Pandain had an even larger bandwagon before DrH... why does that not trigger your red flag? It feels almost like you're fabricating reasons to put Pandain first and everyone else last. Odd, to say the least. I want to hear a bit more explanation on these points, NB. When reading through the past 10-20 pages, there are quite a few posts like these out there. I suggest any decent minded town aligned players to pay attention to these people.
to clarify you are calling out infinitestories post as a good one amongst what is largely noise yes?
if you're saying it's a bad post then -_-
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On October 30 2010 10:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:55 Fishball wrote:On October 30 2010 09:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:41 Fishball wrote:
As for people bringing up the idea of having the circle come forward, I've put some thought into it.
If the circle remains hidden to the public, the Mafia can try to remain within and get as much intel as possible, while we'll be trying to do the same thing as well. If the circle comes public, the Mafia might as well off these members one by one. Keep in mind, there is a chance that there are no Mafia members in the circle (though very not likely), but regardless of this possibility, Mafia can plant confusion among the remaining members, and mislead the town.
Also, if the circle comes forward and god forbids, gets eliminated, it would defeat the entire purpose.
I'm not exactly against this idea, but I just want everyone else to think it through a bit more and provide more input, possibility a better alternative. At the end, this would not be my decision, but the other players'.
PS. A correction I have to make. I said I've came in contact with 4 other players earlier, this was a mistake. I've only came in contact with 3. The remaining 2 have not contacted me. This does not mean they haven't contacted each other, which I would not know. As far as I see it if Mafia start killing off town aligned members of the circle, they incriminate themselves really in the end. This puts a lot of pressure on mafia as to how they choose their kills and they have to very carefully consider their activity within the circle. Let's assume one of the likely scenarios. There are 6 of us, 1 of them is red. Mafia starts killing a couple, 4 remaining, 1 of them is red. At this point, it cannot be helped that town will divert some of it's attention here and try to hunt for that 1 red. If down decides to lynch one of the most "suspicious" one and get lucky enough, they'll lynch the red, but if not, Mafia just got a free kill and the situation drags on. At the very end Mafia will only 1 member, but eliminates the circle entirely as well as any coordination within, as well as causing chaos, confusion, and waste town lynches if used. If town does not use their lynches at all, the Mafia call still eliminate the circle at a different pace. Incoming WIFOM; Mafia may also want to keep the circle alive for the purposes of manipulation. a shrinking circle is harder to manipulate in a lot of ways (easier in some). The bigger they can get their false bandwagons the better. What they would do is hard to say.
This scenario would most likely be likely when I am Mayor and I am Mafia. But right now, Artanis already confirmed Role/Alignment checks will go through with the Mayor, and I also offered to off myself if necessary.
Keep in mind, I'm not at all against bringing the group up front like mentioned. I just want more ideas in how we should proceed with this, and not do it in a haste.
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On October 30 2010 10:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:06 Fishball wrote:On October 30 2010 09:47 Lexpar wrote:
I'm voting for Bumatlarge. Honestly I'm not very impressed by how any of the other candidates have been conducting themselves.
Bum has been honest, helpful, and has some experience behind him. I know he hasn't posted in like 30 minutes (ie. 45 pages omfg), but we shouldn't forget about his candidacy and bandwagon onto Doc.H, and certainly not Pandain.
Again, Bum has my vote. You can vote for anybody for all I care, But On October 30 2010 09:47 Lexpar wrote:
Bum has been honest, helpful, and has some experience behind him.
Experience I don't deny, but seriously? At least quote something you think that is "honest" and "helpful". How do you know the other candidates are not "honest? are not "helpful"? Some of these posts from certain players, regarding why or why not they vote for certain players are just mind boggling. infinitestory caught another one below. On October 30 2010 09:28 infinitestory wrote:On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote:
so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h
Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent"
Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy
Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever.
for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end! Your logic for electing Pandain is pretty flimsy. We want a mayor who: 1) Is a good analyzer and an experienced town player 2) Can be scrutinized or somehow confirmed as a townie. 3) Has a role that requires protection Now, ideally we get a mayor who is strongly all three (and ends up being townie under scrutiny). DrH, according to his posts, satisfies 2 and 3, especially 2, and I feel like he can carry out 1 as well. Fishball claims to satisfy 3, but his circle hasn't materialized, which makes me suspect him. Last in my book is Pandain, who claims SOFTLY to satisfy all 3. Emphasis on softly, because he only said he had a "valuable blue role" and could give "indirect confirmation." No real plan for action, unlike the other two candidates, as far as I saw. On top of that, you claim that DrH's bandwagon is suspect, but Pandain had an even larger bandwagon before DrH... why does that not trigger your red flag? It feels almost like you're fabricating reasons to put Pandain first and everyone else last. Odd, to say the least. I want to hear a bit more explanation on these points, NB. When reading through the past 10-20 pages, there are quite a few posts like these out there. I suggest any decent minded town aligned players to pay attention to these people. to clarify you are calling out infinitestories post as a good one amongst what is largely noise yes? if you're saying it's a bad post then -_-
I said:
infinitestory caught another one below
Keyword highlighted.
Of course I'm saying his post is a good one.
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On October 30 2010 10:12 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:06 Fishball wrote:On October 30 2010 09:47 Lexpar wrote:
I'm voting for Bumatlarge. Honestly I'm not very impressed by how any of the other candidates have been conducting themselves.
Bum has been honest, helpful, and has some experience behind him. I know he hasn't posted in like 30 minutes (ie. 45 pages omfg), but we shouldn't forget about his candidacy and bandwagon onto Doc.H, and certainly not Pandain.
Again, Bum has my vote. You can vote for anybody for all I care, But On October 30 2010 09:47 Lexpar wrote:
Bum has been honest, helpful, and has some experience behind him.
Experience I don't deny, but seriously? At least quote something you think that is "honest" and "helpful". How do you know the other candidates are not "honest? are not "helpful"? Some of these posts from certain players, regarding why or why not they vote for certain players are just mind boggling. infinitestory caught another one below. On October 30 2010 09:28 infinitestory wrote:On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote:
so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h
Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent"
Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy
Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever.
for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end! Your logic for electing Pandain is pretty flimsy. We want a mayor who: 1) Is a good analyzer and an experienced town player 2) Can be scrutinized or somehow confirmed as a townie. 3) Has a role that requires protection Now, ideally we get a mayor who is strongly all three (and ends up being townie under scrutiny). DrH, according to his posts, satisfies 2 and 3, especially 2, and I feel like he can carry out 1 as well. Fishball claims to satisfy 3, but his circle hasn't materialized, which makes me suspect him. Last in my book is Pandain, who claims SOFTLY to satisfy all 3. Emphasis on softly, because he only said he had a "valuable blue role" and could give "indirect confirmation." No real plan for action, unlike the other two candidates, as far as I saw. On top of that, you claim that DrH's bandwagon is suspect, but Pandain had an even larger bandwagon before DrH... why does that not trigger your red flag? It feels almost like you're fabricating reasons to put Pandain first and everyone else last. Odd, to say the least. I want to hear a bit more explanation on these points, NB. When reading through the past 10-20 pages, there are quite a few posts like these out there. I suggest any decent minded town aligned players to pay attention to these people. to clarify you are calling out infinitestories post as a good one amongst what is largely noise yes? if you're saying it's a bad post then -_- I said: infinitestory caught another one belowKeyword highlighted. Of course I'm saying his post is a good one.
alright ^_^
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Can't trust Pandain because of the massive bandwagon for him, it just sort of materialized which is a bad sign
Can't trust Fishball because his "circle" refuses to come forward making his statement seem false
Can't trust Bumatlarge because of his fast entry and even faster withdrawal once Fishball entered the race
I don't have a reason to distrust Doc H that is worse than the reasons I distrust the other candidates. Doc gets my vote for now.
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sorry still reading but just to adress one vital concern.
I am very proactive. I will help the town, i've already decided what we should do if I'm elected so I might as well share it.
As of now, we need medics protecting several of the valuable blues that claimed to run. Sure, one may be a mafia but most likely the rest will be vital blues. So I think they should RNG between Dr. H, Fishball, and possibly Bum. And If i lose, then take out the winner and add me.
Right now I don't have any active thoughts because really its day 1. Anyone who says they really know whats going on is either mafia or wrong. Sure, you can get lucky every once in a while but unless someone truly scum slips it's going to be mostly a guessing game.
If you've seen any of my games, you'd know I'm very decisive. Anyway, still reading.
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On October 30 2010 10:15 Pandain wrote:
sorry still reading but just to adress one vital concern.
I am very proactive. I will help the town, i've already decided what we should do if I'm elected so I might as well share it.
As of now, we need medics protecting several of the valuable blues that claimed to run. Sure, one may be a mafia but most likely the rest will be vital blues. So I think they should RNG between Dr. H, Fishball, and possibly Bum. And If i lose, then take out the winner and add me.
Right now I don't have any active thoughts because really its day 1. Anyone who says they really know whats going on is either mafia or wrong. Sure, you can get lucky every once in a while but unless someone truly scum slips it's going to be mostly a guessing game.
If you've seen any of my games, you'd know I'm very decisive. Anyway, still reading.
top medic targets should be:
ace
bumatlarge
fishball
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On October 30 2010 10:15 Pandain wrote:
sorry still reading but just to adress one vital concern.
I am very proactive. I will help the town, i've already decided what we should do if I'm elected so I might as well share it.
As of now, we need medics protecting several of the valuable blues that claimed to run. Sure, one may be a mafia but most likely the rest will be vital blues. So I think they should RNG between Dr. H, Fishball, and possibly Bum. And If i lose, then take out the winner and add me.
Right now I don't have any active thoughts because really its day 1. Anyone who says they really know whats going on is either mafia or wrong. Sure, you can get lucky every once in a while but unless someone truly scum slips it's going to be mostly a guessing game.
If you've seen any of my games, you'd know I'm very decisive. Anyway, still reading.
there has been a huge amount of activity today. there is actually plenty to analyse today.
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On October 30 2010 10:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Can't trust Pandain because of the massive bandwagon for him, it just sort of materialized which is a bad sign
Can't trust Fishball because his "circle" refuses to come forward making his statement seem false
Can't trust Bumatlarge because of his fast entry and even faster withdrawal once Fishball entered the race
I don't have a reason to distrust Doc H that is worse than the reasons I distrust the other candidates. Doc gets my vote for now.
I'm not going to speak for the other candidates you quoted, but this statement is entirely false.
his "circle" refuses to come forward
People need to stop making statements like this, as it just misleads others. Have I said the others refuse to come out? Have I refuse to let them come out? Did you not read any of my "latest" posts?
Analysis and everything else aside, I'm going to list these facts for now, just raw facts.
- Besides myself, only one other member have posted today.
- The majority of them have not even posted in the thread yet.
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Okay, clearly I'm not getting any votes here... which sucks, but here are my opinions on votes for mayor:
Pandain: I don't know how good a scumhunter he is, but he IS transparent. However, ever since fishball's claim of there being another circle at ALL, we must be wary of that too. I do, however, believe that a transparent mayor is good, and like me, Pandain seems to be quite transparent. (HINT, VOTE FOR ME CUZ I'M FUCKING TRANSPARENT)
Fishball: do NOT vote for this guy. A. No one else has claimed mason. B. We don't know what role he is for sure. C. PMs in the hands of a mason in the mafia could get so incredibly powerful because mafia would be able to secretly convince others and start a 14 player bandwagon. >_< D. He's experienced as hell. If he's Mafia, then GF, then a Mason, we're fucked. We won't be able to oust him because of GF, he'll have influence over Masons, he'll be able to control his mafia group with expertise, and vigis wouldn't be able to kill him if they expected him. Also, Mayor having PMs is not good because we want a mayor to be TRANSPARENT. He needs to be placed under HEAVY scrutiny. If he's pming all over the place, what do we use to analyze him?
Bumatlarge: Experienced, which can be a double edged sword if he's red, and he can start his OWN circle. That might be even more scary than fishball, but nonetheless it provides the same problem towards transparency. We need them to show us their posts, but if they're pming, we get much less information, and as a mafia mayor, that's great for them.
Dr. H: I don't really know. He seems scummy for his huge support of Fishball who I don't trust, but he says he can somehow prove to us that he's blue. The thing I don't like about Fishball and Dr. H's campaign methods is the fact that they HEAVILY emphasize the roles they play. I don't see how their roles could be so important that they NEED the mayor role. I see Dr. H's role as more important for use inside the Masons. I believe the Masons should definitely get him in the first night IF THEY EXIST, but right now, I don't believe he should be mayor.
I think the safest way to vote is Pandain right now. He seems to be transparent, and hasn't given off any notion that he can PM yet. This is good. We DON'T want a secretive mayor. We want a secretive detective, or a secretive TOWN circle, but not a secretive mayor. Btw, I also agree with Ace that Dr. H gave out too much info on himself. >_<
Still, vote for me. I'm transparent :D
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*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1.
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question: arent we supposed to lynch someone at day1 or we can skip?.... we discuss a lot about election but no lynching which make me worried since this could be a trick of mafia to reduced our discussion time on lynching people 
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On October 30 2010 10:30 ghrur wrote:
Okay, clearly I'm not getting any votes here... which sucks, but here are my opinions on votes for mayor:
Pandain: I don't know how good a scumhunter he is, but he IS transparent. However, ever since fishball's claim of there being another circle at ALL, we must be wary of that too. I do, however, believe that a transparent mayor is good, and like me, Pandain seems to be quite transparent. (HINT, VOTE FOR ME CUZ I'M FUCKING TRANSPARENT)
afaik not a very good one.
Fishball: do NOT vote for this guy. A. No one else has claimed mason. B. We don't know what role he is for sure. C. PMs in the hands of a mason in the mafia could get so incredibly powerful because mafia would be able to secretly convince others and start a 14 player bandwagon. >_< D. He's experienced as hell. If he's Mafia, then GF, then a Mason, we're fucked. We won't be able to oust him because of GF, he'll have influence over Masons, he'll be able to control his mafia group with expertise, and vigis wouldn't be able to kill him if they expected him. Also, Mayor having PMs is not good because we want a mayor to be TRANSPARENT. He needs to be placed under HEAVY scrutiny. If he's pming all over the place, what do we use to analyze him?
I agree with this actually. I feel that medics should protect Fishball instead.
Bumatlarge: Experienced, which can be a double edged sword if he's red, and he can start his OWN circle. That might be even more scary than fishball, but nonetheless it provides the same problem towards transparency. We need them to show us their posts, but if they're pming, we get much less information, and as a mafia mayor, that's great for them.
Dr. H: I don't really know. He seems scummy for his huge support of Fishball who I don't trust, but he says he can somehow prove to us that he's blue. The thing I don't like about Fishball and Dr. H's campaign methods is the fact that they HEAVILY emphasize the roles they play. I don't see how their roles could be so important that they NEED the mayor role. I see Dr. H's role as more important for use inside the Masons. I believe the Masons should definitely get him in the first night IF THEY EXIST, but right now, I don't believe he should be mayor.
Well, my role is the most important thing but I've given other reasons as well. I can't really use my role without roleclaiming, so I'm not really sure what else I should have done.
I don't need the mayor role to use my role, I need it to maximize the effectiveness of my town coordination.
Also, I don't really think I'm hugely supporting Fishball. I'm wary of him but he doesn't come off as scummy to me. I think if he is mafia he is making a pretty huge gamble and I'm interested in seeing how it plays out right now. I don't think he should be mayor for basically the reasons you stated.
I think the safest way to vote is Pandain right now. He seems to be transparent, and hasn't given off any notion that he can PM yet. This is good. We DON'T want a secretive mayor. We want a secretive detective, or a secretive TOWN circle, but not a secretive mayor. Btw, I also agree with Ace that Dr. H gave out too much info on himself. >_<
Still, vote for me. I'm transparent :D
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kitaman27
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On October 30 2010 10:23 Fishball wrote:
Analysis and everything else aside, I'm going to list these facts for now, just raw facts.
- Besides myself, only one other member have posted today.
- The majority of them have not even posted in the thread yet.
For reference purposes, if this claim is true, four of the "circle" members belong in this list of 11:
12. Kenpachi
13. lol1221
17. QuickStriker
20. SiNiquity
24. ShmotZ
27. youngminii
31. Masq
33. Meeple Glasse
34 Misder
35. kingjames01
39. LunarDestiny
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On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1.
I can't PM people, your 3rd point is complete bullshit. Just thought I'd point out that the difference between me and fishball is that my coordination will take place out in the open of the thread with complete transparency in every way. I am not part of a circle.
Before you said you could maybe indirectly prove you're legit if you're elected. Now you can prove it 100% reliably? Which is it?
My whole campaign is about an open discussion and coordination. I'm not acting behind doors but at the same time I'm not vote on whatever the public tells me, mafia control bandwagons and going with the majority every time is poor mayor play.
Do you plan on doing the same? Do you have the balls to say the town is wrong on a lynch when it's your head on the chopping block?
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I need to backtrace and find out who invented the lie that I said anything about secret town circles, operating in pm's, or anything like that.
Not trying to FoS Pandain here but that sounds very mafia implanted to me.
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