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On October 30 2010 07:58 Ace wrote:
Dr.H and Fishball - both of you are pretty much in the same boat. You offer the fact that you're ability is valuable, that you can confirm things if you get the Mayor role and it's a major benefit to the town.
Both of you have played Mafia before so why run on this platform? You SHOULD be able to run without revealing so much critical information on Day 1. If neither of you gets Mayor you're a good target for scum kill now. If there's so many people with the ability to communicate then why couldn't you just keep quiet, use your ability Night 1 and then start owning faces Day 2? As it is you've given up a lot of information in a desperate plea to get elected and, if you are as good at this game as you think you are you should know that's a big no no.
My vote is going to bumatlarge if he's still running, or Pandain. No one knows anyone else's alignment right now except for Scum. That being said I would have voted for Fishball if he didn't try such an illogical gambit for Mayor.
You've seen me play in your own games, and other games. You know I never really like to come out so early in the game and draw this magnitude of attention to myself.
I've thought about it for a some hours yesterday and went with this decision. But yes, as brought up many times, if I do not get Mayor, I'm as good as dead. But at least I gave it a shot.
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kitaman27
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On October 30 2010 09:24 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 07:58 Ace wrote:
Dr.H and Fishball - both of you are pretty much in the same boat. You offer the fact that you're ability is valuable, that you can confirm things if you get the Mayor role and it's a major benefit to the town.
Both of you have played Mafia before so why run on this platform? You SHOULD be able to run without revealing so much critical information on Day 1. If neither of you gets Mayor you're a good target for scum kill now. If there's so many people with the ability to communicate then why couldn't you just keep quiet, use your ability Night 1 and then start owning faces Day 2? As it is you've given up a lot of information in a desperate plea to get elected and, if you are as good at this game as you think you are you should know that's a big no no.
My vote is going to bumatlarge if he's still running, or Pandain. No one knows anyone else's alignment right now except for Scum. That being said I would have voted for Fishball if he didn't try such an illogical gambit for Mayor. You've seen me play in your own games, and other games. You know I never really like to come out so early in the game and draw this magnitude of attention to myself. I've thought about it for a some hours yesterday and went with this decision. But yes, as brought up many times, if I do not get Mayor, I'm as good as dead. But at least I gave it a shot.
Why would you be good as dead? If the mafia has infiltrated your "circle", what reason would they have to kill you off?
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On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:21 Ace wrote:On October 30 2010 09:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:11 Ace wrote:On October 30 2010 09:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:There are a few things you didn't respond to ace that I'd like you to revisit. specifically this Fishball doesn't need the mayor role to scumhunt within his small group whereas my plan is for open coordination, immunity from death would be important. By no means do I think it's a bad idea to vote for Fishball.
I find it strange that you bring him up considering you said both him and myself are undeserving of your vote.
So let me turn that around for a bit if I may. If Fishball claims to have a circle of players and that his ability will help him figure out their alignments then why should we vote for bumatlarge. And why would you vote for pandain over fishball? ' I responded to the bolded already. I'm voting for bumatlarge because I don't see any negatives with him. With you and Fishball I do. I've also already explained about Pandain. It just seemed out of place that you would bring up fishballs candidacy as a point against me when you're against him as well, rather than asking why people should vote for me over bumatlarge instead On October 30 2010 09:13 Ace wrote:On October 30 2010 09:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Doc is falling into the same trap that Fishball did, they both think their roles are so important they HAVE to have the protection of mayor. In the process of campaigning they are both way to zealous and overreactive to what people say. I criticized Pandain earlier for not making a strong enough case for himself but after listening to Fish and Doc go back and forth I think I would prefer a slightly lower profile mayor.
Honestly I feel the same way Ace and BrownBear do, I'd love to have one of the people who isn't actively running be the mayor. Why does that make you nervous? I can prove to the entire town that I am town aligned. If I don't do that, simply lynch me. Why would you vote for a low key mayor that isn't offering anything with the role when I am handing the town a blue-confirmed mayor who can coordinate on a plate? Why wouldn't you want that? Because people don't have to believe your going to do what you say? I think you're better off trying to show us from another angle why you need to be Mayor. With you and Fishball both saying you have to be mayor because of your role it's actually killing your chances imo. So what's my plan then, assume for a minute I'm scum. To lie about proving I'm town, get elected, use the 1 lynch, and then die for the lie? Sacrifice myself for a single kill? 1.) That wasn't being used as a point against you. I was talking about you, Fishball and Pandain as the remaining candidates who didn't have my vote. Nothing to do with bumatlarge. 2.) If you're Scum, get Mayor, lynch someone - how do you die? I don't know what roles are in the game and neither does anyone else. The name of the game is INSANE Mafia. Maybe you're scum with a role that can do something and look Pro-Town? I don't know and honestly, even if I did know the roles in the game that doesn't mean I'm going to take you at your word. There have been plenty of games where Scum says they promise to do something, like oh kill themselves and then WALLA! Something else happens, the Scum spin it to show that there is a better idea and the Scummy Martyr goes free. I'm not in the business on playing for promises. I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia. Would you prefer I simply roleclaim now?
That was impulsive of me. I'm not going to roleclaim for the possibility that you are mafia digging to find out what my role is. I'm not going to roleclaim until I am sure I am safe. Mafia can still bandwagon me out of the election and stack hits on me.
I can demonstrate my role is exactly what it is one I am able to use it. If this is not the case then feel free to lynch me.
I was actually thinking earlier the first thing teh mafia would do to discredit me is try to play off my role as though it were a mafia role designed to appear pro-town. It makes no sense considering the other aspect of the role is incredibly stifling to mafia goals.
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On October 30 2010 09:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if the Mayor can be role checked, why would a mafia even want to be elected? I suppose there is the possibility of a Godfather or something, but even that role seems like it could be used in better ways.
Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this.
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On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote:
so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h
Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent"
Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy
Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever.
for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end!
Your logic for electing Pandain is pretty flimsy. We want a mayor who:
1) Is a good analyzer and an experienced town player
2) Can be scrutinized or somehow confirmed as a townie.
3) Has a role that requires protection
Now, ideally we get a mayor who is strongly all three (and ends up being townie under scrutiny). DrH, according to his posts, satisfies 2 and 3, especially 2, and I feel like he can carry out 1 as well. Fishball claims to satisfy 3, but his circle hasn't materialized, which makes me suspect him. Last in my book is Pandain, who claims SOFTLY to satisfy all 3. Emphasis on softly, because he only said he had a "valuable blue role" and could give "indirect confirmation." No real plan for action, unlike the other two candidates, as far as I saw.
On top of that, you claim that DrH's bandwagon is suspect, but Pandain had an even larger bandwagon before DrH... why does that not trigger your red flag? It feels almost like you're fabricating reasons to put Pandain first and everyone else last. Odd, to say the least. I want to hear a bit more explanation on these points, NB.
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On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if the Mayor can be role checked, why would a mafia even want to be elected? I suppose there is the possibility of a Godfather or something, but even that role seems like it could be used in better ways. Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this.
The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game. I also do not recall ever having made such a statement.
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On October 30 2010 09:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if the Mayor can be role checked, why would a mafia even want to be elected? I suppose there is the possibility of a Godfather or something, but even that role seems like it could be used in better ways. Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this. The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game.
So he would show up as something like "Mafia Mayor" ?
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On October 30 2010 09:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if the Mayor can be role checked, why would a mafia even want to be elected? I suppose there is the possibility of a Godfather or something, but even that role seems like it could be used in better ways. Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this. The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game. So he would show up as something like "Mafia Mayor" ?
For example, Plague Doctor Mayor, or Mafia Detective Mayor, etc.
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I would say that godfather would wreak the most havoc as mayor; Thus, I'm probably going to hold off my vote for a bit till I read up on the posts.
However, I'd like to ask DrH 1 question, sorry if it hasnt been answered
How can we be 100% sure you are not scum if there is the possibility of having shapeshifters in this game? Then you can always claim that you "guessed" wrong if you lynch a townie, and DT checks would show up as town.
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On October 30 2010 09:31 KtheZ wrote:
I would say that godfather would wreak the most havoc as mayor; Thus, I'm probably going to hold off my vote for a bit till I read up on the posts.
However, I'd like to ask DrH 1 question, sorry if it hasnt been answered
How can we be 100% sure you are not scum if there is the possibility of having shapeshifters in this game? Then you can always claim that you "guessed" wrong if you lynch a townie, and DT checks would show up as town.
Because my role involves a confirmation to a separate player. To fake this I would have to out a different scumbuddy every single day, a play which would actually benefit the town in the long run if I were mafia.
Secondly my role has a second aspect which cannot be reliably faked as the results will be confirmed numerically by Artanis. That's really all I can say.
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On October 30 2010 09:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if the Mayor can be role checked, why would a mafia even want to be elected? I suppose there is the possibility of a Godfather or something, but even that role seems like it could be used in better ways. Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this. The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game. So he would show up as something like "Mafia Mayor" ? For example, Plague Doctor Mayor, or Mafia Detective Mayor, etc.
Interesting, that's very good for us.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On October 30 2010 09:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Because my role involves a confirmation to a separate player. To fake this I would have to out a different scumbuddy every single day, a play which would actually benefit the town in the long run if I were mafia.
Secondly my role has a second aspect which cannot be reliably faked as the results will be confirmed numerically by Artanis. That's really all I can say.
Sounds like it has something to do with the plague then. Confirm/Deny/Abstain?
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On October 30 2010 09:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if the Mayor can be role checked, why would a mafia even want to be elected? I suppose there is the possibility of a Godfather or something, but even that role seems like it could be used in better ways. Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this. The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game. I also do not recall ever having made such a statement.
It'll do you well to not to blatantly lie about rules that can be easily clarified by a single PM for the coming game -_-
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On October 30 2010 09:35 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Because my role involves a confirmation to a separate player. To fake this I would have to out a different scumbuddy every single day, a play which would actually benefit the town in the long run if I were mafia.
Secondly my role has a second aspect which cannot be reliably faked as the results will be confirmed numerically by Artanis. That's really all I can say. Sounds like it has something to do with the plague then. Confirm/Deny/Abstain?
abstain
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I'd like to say that whoever is elected should consider lynching one of the other mayoral candidates. I find it more likely to hit a mafia among the candidates than one among inactive posters.
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On October 30 2010 09:36 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if the Mayor can be role checked, why would a mafia even want to be elected? I suppose there is the possibility of a Godfather or something, but even that role seems like it could be used in better ways. Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this. The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game. I also do not recall ever having made such a statement. It'll do you well to not to blatantly lie about rules that can be easily clarified by a single PM for the coming game -_-
I really do not know where I supposedly lied regarding this. If you could quote that message I can apologize for it, but I am currently unaware of it.
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It's really pointless for me to vote for myself at this point so I guess I'll vote for Pandain. The other two prime candidates are all discussing secret societies and whatnot, and even though I'm all for those types of roles, I believe the mayor should really be a figurehead for the whole town.
1. It would be really difficult, and not to mention disadvantageous, for the mayor to prove they are a free mason or something along those lines
2. The mayor keeps the rest of the town out of the loop (because there wouldn't be a way to transfer secret data) and therefore causes confusion which can lead to unwarranted bandwagoning.
3. If the mayor dies, how will the circle prove itself to town afterward? After losing all leadership, the town will flop and scum will have it's way with the remains.
And as for Pandain, I have seen his play style from the previous game and think he would make a good mayor. If he turns out to be mafia, and unless he has flawlessly acted out the role, people would notice and he'd be gone in a blink of an eye.
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As for people bringing up the idea of having the circle come forward, I've put some thought into it.
If the circle remains hidden to the public, the Mafia can try to remain within and get as much intel as possible, while we'll be trying to do the same thing as well. If the circle comes public, the Mafia might as well off these members one by one. Keep in mind, there is a chance that there are no Mafia members in the circle (though very not likely), but regardless of this possibility, Mafia can plant confusion among the remaining members, and mislead the town.
Also, if the circle comes forward and god forbids, gets eliminated, it would defeat the entire purpose.
I'm not exactly against this idea, but I just want everyone else to think it through a bit more and provide more input, possibility a better alternative. At the end, this would not be my decision, but the other players'.
PS. A correction I have to make. I said I've came in contact with 4 other players earlier, this was a mistake. I've only came in contact with 3. The remaining 2 have not contacted me. This does not mean they haven't contacted each other, which I would not know.
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On October 30 2010 09:40 Hyperbola wrote:
It's really pointless for me to vote for myself at this point so I guess I'll vote for Pandain. The other two prime candidates are all discussing secret societies and whatnot, and even though I'm all for those types of roles, I believe the mayor should really be a figurehead for the whole town.
1. It would be really difficult, and not to mention disadvantageous, for the mayor to prove they are a free mason or something along those lines
2. The mayor keeps the rest of the town out of the loop (because there wouldn't be a way to transfer secret data) and therefore causes confusion which can lead to unwarranted bandwagoning.
3. If the mayor dies, how will the circle prove itself to town afterward? After losing all leadership, the town will flop and scum will have it's way with the remains.
And as for Pandain, I have seen his play style from the previous game and think he would make a good mayor. If he turns out to be mafia, and unless he has flawlessly acted out the role, people would notice and he'd be gone in a blink of an eye.
well none of those apply for me so why vote for pandain who offers nothing at all?
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DocH
Anyone that doesn't fucking vote for you must be scum?
Are you fucking serious ?
i voted for Pandain because it was a choice between Him And Fishball at the time (bum withdrew his candidacy before i voted or I would have voted him for my placeholder instead of pandain)
I posted many reasons why i chose pandain over fishball MANY Logical reasons.
i will repost them for you ****This was before you had decided to run for mayor
On October 30 2010 01:55 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 01:44 Fishball wrote:On October 30 2010 00:07 Coagulation wrote:
How about instead of blowing up about imaginary references to your CIRCLE in my post you answer the question that you completely avoided.
why would we want to risk a chance of 7 people possibly being scum manipulating town with mayor when we can go with the much safer odds of only 1 person possibly being scum.
I'm at work. I answer what I can given the time that I have, but I have always come back and address the rest. This is not dodging. People who have played with me in previous games will know. I think you meant 6 people, as I said there are only 6 people in this group. Now why would Mafia include 6 of their 9 buddies in this circle? Why 6? Not 3, not 4, but 6? Assume what you say is true, all 6 of us are Mafia, how exactly would we "manipulate" town? What stops the other solo Mayor and his "non-circle" buddies to manipulate town? Different scenario, but the outcome can very well be the same. Everyone can debate about the "truth", but no one can argue about that fact that I did offer information, and I want/need protection. With me being Mayor, doesn't make me a dictator. I still need the help of the town to provide valuable input. I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him.
Is that not a reasonable reason considering the two choices?? maybe not the greatest reason but I FEEL CONFIDENT we are not getting FUCKED BEHIND OUR BACKS.
On October 30 2010 00:26 Coagulation wrote:
We need someone who is good at mafia but terrible at manipulation.
pandain is probably the best candidate under these parameters. he is an extremely organized and tactical scum hunter his analyses skills are good and he has a good level head about what needs to be done.
i have also noticed that he is a terrible lier and his posting style makes his motives extremely transparent. this would make it much easier for us to spot a slip up if he is mafia. and greatly increases the chances that he would fail at getting away with scum moves if it turns out he is a red.
Is that not a reasonable reason?? YOU SAID THE SAME THING EARLIER.
Now i am sticking with pandain because he is most likely not a red trying to gain control of town based on the fact that he is not campaigning relentlessly.
Pandain is more then capable of using what tools he has at his disposal to help coordinate a good town strategy and i doubt he would run for mayor if he thought his role wasnt capable of contributing greatly as mayor.. and I FEEL HE is the most TRUSTWORTHY candidate so far BASED ON HIS ACTIONS IN THIS GAME. I Dont get the same feeling from you when your Threatening "FOS" On anyone that doesnt vote you..
IM NOT VOTING on WHOS PROMISING SOME BULLSHIT IF THEY GET MAYOR (town circle?? where??)
IM VOTING ON WHO I TRUST THE MOST IN MY GUT
IS THAT REASON ENOUGH?
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